Re: CS>re: Mike is Well
Yes, Jason, Sticking with the existing Eskimo.com Procmail/Smartmail setup would be the simplest. Technically that could be done by a moderator who gets all the "other" emails sent to the Silverlist Admin email address <mdev...@eskimo.com> The moderator (moderators) would need Mike to give them enough info (passwords etc) to manage the list on his behalf. I'm reading between lines but I think Eskimo.com support staff find that hosting Procmail is a bit of a pain for them. OK, Tony On 5 Jun 2017 at 15:17, Jason wrote about : Subject : Re: CS>re: Mike is Well > Hi Itguy: > > I agree that remaining on a private list server is the best option; here > at Eskimo or elsewhere. I wish Mike would turn over control, that would > make everything simple. > > I run several facebook groups, and as a forum, it is really terrible. > It's very difficult to save/find threads. It's really set up as a > social platform, not an informational platform. > > I don't like any of the "groups" websites out there for list servers, > especially since it is so easy to set up a secure and private list > server on an independent domain. Their privacy policy is only valid up > to the next buyout. Most of these companies exist solely with an exit > strategy in mind. > > Mailman is open source and free to use, and is almost identical to > Eskimo's system. It's very efficient and relatively easy to customize > and set up. > > ~Jason > > > > On 6/5/2017 3:02 PM, Itguy wrote: > > I agree - it's really not going to work with Mike not coming back. One > > thing I disagreed with Mike about in the past was his publishing of > > the list contents in an open archive. I do not feel that is conducive > > for privacy, security and anonymity for anyone. In this day and age we > > really need to be aware of such things. Especially with a topic where > > people have been suppressed/harassed/stalked about such as alternative > > remedies and such.. > > > > Speaking as a Senior IT Security Engineer - > > > > I'd be inclined to agree with Facebook with a major caveat... There > > could be some concerns with privacy and security on Facebook as it's > > widely known facebook aggregates telemetry with other sources > > including CIA funded WPP and others. Facebook will offer absolutely no > > privacy/security and anonymity for anyone.. So if you go there, > > remember that you'll likely lose people and folks will be less > > inclined to share their thoughts in an open fashion. > > > > Yahoo is definately out of the question as Yahoo themselves built a > > backdoor into their systems for the US Intel cartels and has a > > history of 'repeated' hacks. Yahoo should never be considered for > > anything, even email. > > > > Groups.io one is probably the best option for now. But I am convinced > > Mike isn't ready to give up control even if he isn't interested in > > moderating or even reading the list. > > > > The most simple solution would be for someone to take over this list.. > > I will assist financially to 'pay the bills' if someone can convince > > Mike to turn over the reigns.. I think he would trust myself or > > Marshall to take over ownership because he knows both of us > > personally. If I took it over I would allocate moderators to assist > > and advise me and just pay the bills. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017, at 02:44 PM, Steve G wrote: > >> In that case, since he isn't cooperating, this group should just > >> migrate to a new platform as best we can. Yahoo groups are still out > >> there and seem to still thrive. Facebook is another possibility, but > >> that forces everyone to have a Facebook account. > >> > >> The status quo of having a group that the owner is neglecting just > >> doesn't work. > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> ** > >> > >> > >> **From:** Jason <resea...@silvermedicine.org> > >> **To:** silver-list@eskimo.com > >> **Sent:** Monday, June 5, 2017 2:31 PM > >> **Subject:** CS>re: Mike is Well > >> > >> ...Mike should turn over the account to someone willing to manage it. > >> > >> ...or, the list should be transferred to another host before it shuts > >> off one day. > >> > >> I don't mind running a list, there are some good free list server > >> software packages that can be run from any domain. > >> > >> ~Jaso
Re: CS>re: Mike is Well
Here is a quote from another group considering moving from yahoo that echos Nick's: https://groups.io/ "as Yahoo provides auto e-mailing posts as an easy reminder to read themin a collection per day." response: "...as does the groups.io <http://groups.io/> platform (in fact, with much more functionality than Yahoo). Like you, I also consider this important (push, not pull)." > Groups.ion will host this and I am willing to setup and maintain the group, > but would need > moderators to run. I feel that It would be prudent to have more than one > Owner. > > I have recently transfered my local village news service Yahoo group to > Groups.io . The > changeover went quite seamlessly and it has worked very well. Caters for all > kinds of email or > web delivery. Is easy to run and manage, like the old time Yahoo Group but > much better, and > improvements made weekly as requested, in contact with the Help and the > Development team > etc. > > The move to Groups.io would require the list of email addresses. That is it . > The archives can also be moved by a manual process. I suggest we leave the > Mail-Archive > running in perpetuity as a mirror, Plus have an internal archive for ease of > use. > > OK, > Tony Moody > > On 5 Jun 2017 at 11:30, Jason wrote about : > Subject : CS>re: Mike is Well > >> ...Mike should turn over the account to someone willing to manage it. >> >> ...or, the list should be transferred to another host before it shuts >> off one day. >> >> I don't mind running a list, there are some good free list server >> software packages that can be run from any domain. >> >> ~Jason >> >> >> On 6/5/2017 5:43 AM, Itguy wrote: >> >> > Unfortunately I cannot offer any further assistance. >> > >> > Mike doesn't have any willingness to manage the list any longer. After >> > I explained to him the concerns from list members and the need for him >> > to admin the list he said for now he will keep paying the bills but >> > can't many any further promises. I told him I would advise that he >> > simply delete his entire inbox at his email address and start anew. >> > He's too far behind to even attempt to parse through what may amount >> > to multiple thousands of emails after many years of neglect. Then once >> > deleted he can 'keep up' by checking his list and inbox a couple of >> > times a week... >> > >> > It's been nearly 2 weeks since I made my wellness trip to his home and >> > he hasn't checked his email to cleaned out the box, it's still filled >> > up. I don't think he took my advice. Mike uses Gmail now but didn't >> > provide me with that address so I have no way to reach him other than >> > his cell phone number. (should he answer) To be honest, I suspect Mike >> > isn't even involved with CS any longer. >> > >> > All I can say at this point is there isn't anything you can do about >> > this list other than to let it deprecate and possibly manually move >> > people to a new list. Sorry I cannot be of further help. >> > >> > -- >> >Itguy >> >it...@fastmail.com >> >> >> -- >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org >> >> Unsubscribe: >> <mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe> >> Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html >> >> Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com> >> List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com> >> >> > > >
Re: CS>re: Mike is Well
Groups.ion will host this and I am willing to setup and maintain the group, but would need moderators to run. I feel that It would be prudent to have more than one Owner. I have recently transfered my local village news service Yahoo group to Groups.io . The changeover went quite seamlessly and it has worked very well. Caters for all kinds of email or web delivery. Is easy to run and manage, like the old time Yahoo Group but much better, and improvements made weekly as requested, in contact with the Help and the Development team etc. The move to Groups.io would require the list of email addresses. That is it . The archives can also be moved by a manual process. I suggest we leave the Mail-Archive running in perpetuity as a mirror, Plus have an internal archive for ease of use. OK, Tony Moody On 5 Jun 2017 at 11:30, Jason wrote about : Subject : CS>re: Mike is Well > ...Mike should turn over the account to someone willing to manage it. > > ...or, the list should be transferred to another host before it shuts > off one day. > > I don't mind running a list, there are some good free list server > software packages that can be run from any domain. > > ~Jason > > > On 6/5/2017 5:43 AM, Itguy wrote: > > > Unfortunately I cannot offer any further assistance. > > > > Mike doesn't have any willingness to manage the list any longer. After > > I explained to him the concerns from list members and the need for him > > to admin the list he said for now he will keep paying the bills but > > can't many any further promises. I told him I would advise that he > > simply delete his entire inbox at his email address and start anew. > > He's too far behind to even attempt to parse through what may amount > > to multiple thousands of emails after many years of neglect. Then once > > deleted he can 'keep up' by checking his list and inbox a couple of > > times a week... > > > > It's been nearly 2 weeks since I made my wellness trip to his home and > > he hasn't checked his email to cleaned out the box, it's still filled > > up. I don't think he took my advice. Mike uses Gmail now but didn't > > provide me with that address so I have no way to reach him other than > > his cell phone number. (should he answer) To be honest, I suspect Mike > > isn't even involved with CS any longer. > > > > All I can say at this point is there isn't anything you can do about > > this list other than to let it deprecate and possibly manually move > > people to a new list. Sorry I cannot be of further help. > > > > -- > >Itguy > >it...@fastmail.com > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org > > Unsubscribe: > <mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe> > Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html > > Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com> > List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com> > >
Re: CS>re: Mike is Well
I will also voice my opinion on face book. I don't have an account there anymore and no wish to open a new one. Interested in keeping the list going and will help pay to keep it going. Val On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Jason <resea...@silvermedicine.org> wrote: > Hi Itguy: > > I agree that remaining on a private list server is the best option; here > at Eskimo or elsewhere. I wish Mike would turn over control, that would > make everything simple. > > I run several facebook groups, and as a forum, it is really terrible. > It's very difficult to save/find threads. It's really set up as a social > platform, not an informational platform. > > I don't like any of the "groups" websites out there for list servers, > especially since it is so easy to set up a secure and private list server > on an independent domain. Their privacy policy is only valid up to the > next buyout. Most of these companies exist solely with an exit strategy in > mind. > > Mailman is open source and free to use, and is almost identical to > Eskimo's system. It's very efficient and relatively easy to customize and > set up. > > ~Jason > > > > On 6/5/2017 3:02 PM, Itguy wrote: > >> I agree - it's really not going to work with Mike not coming back. One >> thing I disagreed with Mike about in the past was his publishing of the >> list contents in an open archive. I do not feel that is conducive for >> privacy, security and anonymity for anyone. In this day and age we really >> need to be aware of such things. Especially with a topic where people have >> been suppressed/harassed/stalked about such as alternative remedies and >> such.. >> >> Speaking as a Senior IT Security Engineer - >> >> I'd be inclined to agree with Facebook with a major caveat... There >> could be some concerns with privacy and security on Facebook as it's widely >> known facebook aggregates telemetry with other sources including CIA funded >> WPP and others. Facebook will offer absolutely no privacy/security and >> anonymity for anyone.. So if you go there, remember that you'll likely lose >> people and folks will be less inclined to share their thoughts in an open >> fashion. >> >> Yahoo is definately out of the question as Yahoo themselves built a >> backdoor into their systems for the US Intel cartels and has a history of >> 'repeated' hacks. Yahoo should never be considered for anything, even email. >> >> Groups.io one is probably the best option for now. But I am convinced >> Mike isn't ready to give up control even if he isn't interested in >> moderating or even reading the list. >> >> The most simple solution would be for someone to take over this list.. I >> will assist financially to 'pay the bills' if someone can convince Mike to >> turn over the reigns.. I think he would trust myself or Marshall to take >> over ownership because he knows both of us personally. If I took it over I >> would allocate moderators to assist and advise me and just pay the bills. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017, at 02:44 PM, Steve G wrote: >> >>> In that case, since he isn't cooperating, this group should just migrate >>> to a new platform as best we can. Yahoo groups are still out there and >>> seem to still thrive. Facebook is another possibility, but that forces >>> everyone to have a Facebook account. >>> >>> The status quo of having a group that the owner is neglecting just >>> doesn't work. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> **From:** Jason <resea...@silvermedicine.org> >>> **To:** silver-list@eskimo.com >>> **Sent:** Monday, June 5, 2017 2:31 PM >>> **Subject:** CS>re: Mike is Well >>> >>> >>> ...Mike should turn over the account to someone willing to manage it. >>> >>> ...or, the list should be transferred to another host before it shuts >>> off one day. >>> >>> I don't mind running a list, there are some good free list server >>> software packages that can be run from any domain. >>> >>> ~Jason >>> >>> >>> On 6/5/2017 5:43 AM, Itguy wrote: >>> >>> > Unfortunately I cannot offer any further assistance. >>> > >>> > Mike doesn't have any willingness to manage the list any longer. After >>> > I explained to him the concerns from list members and the need for him >>> > to admin the list he said for now he will keep paying the bills but
Re: CS>re: Mike is Well
Hi Itguy: I agree that remaining on a private list server is the best option; here at Eskimo or elsewhere. I wish Mike would turn over control, that would make everything simple. I run several facebook groups, and as a forum, it is really terrible. It's very difficult to save/find threads. It's really set up as a social platform, not an informational platform. I don't like any of the "groups" websites out there for list servers, especially since it is so easy to set up a secure and private list server on an independent domain. Their privacy policy is only valid up to the next buyout. Most of these companies exist solely with an exit strategy in mind. Mailman is open source and free to use, and is almost identical to Eskimo's system. It's very efficient and relatively easy to customize and set up. ~Jason On 6/5/2017 3:02 PM, Itguy wrote: I agree - it's really not going to work with Mike not coming back. One thing I disagreed with Mike about in the past was his publishing of the list contents in an open archive. I do not feel that is conducive for privacy, security and anonymity for anyone. In this day and age we really need to be aware of such things. Especially with a topic where people have been suppressed/harassed/stalked about such as alternative remedies and such.. Speaking as a Senior IT Security Engineer - I'd be inclined to agree with Facebook with a major caveat... There could be some concerns with privacy and security on Facebook as it's widely known facebook aggregates telemetry with other sources including CIA funded WPP and others. Facebook will offer absolutely no privacy/security and anonymity for anyone.. So if you go there, remember that you'll likely lose people and folks will be less inclined to share their thoughts in an open fashion. Yahoo is definately out of the question as Yahoo themselves built a backdoor into their systems for the US Intel cartels and has a history of 'repeated' hacks. Yahoo should never be considered for anything, even email. Groups.io one is probably the best option for now. But I am convinced Mike isn't ready to give up control even if he isn't interested in moderating or even reading the list. The most simple solution would be for someone to take over this list.. I will assist financially to 'pay the bills' if someone can convince Mike to turn over the reigns.. I think he would trust myself or Marshall to take over ownership because he knows both of us personally. If I took it over I would allocate moderators to assist and advise me and just pay the bills. On Mon, Jun 5, 2017, at 02:44 PM, Steve G wrote: In that case, since he isn't cooperating, this group should just migrate to a new platform as best we can. Yahoo groups are still out there and seem to still thrive. Facebook is another possibility, but that forces everyone to have a Facebook account. The status quo of having a group that the owner is neglecting just doesn't work. Steve ** **From:** Jason <resea...@silvermedicine.org> **To:** silver-list@eskimo.com **Sent:** Monday, June 5, 2017 2:31 PM **Subject:** CS>re: Mike is Well ...Mike should turn over the account to someone willing to manage it. ...or, the list should be transferred to another host before it shuts off one day. I don't mind running a list, there are some good free list server software packages that can be run from any domain. ~Jason On 6/5/2017 5:43 AM, Itguy wrote: > Unfortunately I cannot offer any further assistance. > > Mike doesn't have any willingness to manage the list any longer. After > I explained to him the concerns from list members and the need for him > to admin the list he said for now he will keep paying the bills but > can't many any further promises. I told him I would advise that he > simply delete his entire inbox at his email address and start anew. > He's too far behind to even attempt to parse through what may amount > to multiple thousands of emails after many years of neglect. Then once > deleted he can 'keep up' by checking his list and inbox a couple of > times a week... > > It's been nearly 2 weeks since I made my wellness trip to his home and > he hasn't checked his email to cleaned out the box, it's still filled > up. I don't think he took my advice. Mike uses Gmail now but didn't > provide me with that address so I have no way to reach him other than > his cell phone number. (should he answer) To be honest, I suspect Mike > isn't even involved with CS any longer. > > All I can say at this point is there isn't anything you can do about > this list other than to let it deprecate and possibly manually move > people to a new list. Sorry I cannot be of further help. > > -- >Itguy > it...@fastmail.com <mailto:it...@fastmail.com>
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I agree - it's really not going to work with Mike not coming back. One thing I disagreed with Mike about in the past was his publishing of the list contents in an open archive. I do not feel that is conducive for privacy, security and anonymity for anyone. In this day and age we really need to be aware of such things. Especially with a topic where people have been suppressed/harassed/stalked about such as alternative remedies and such.. Speaking as a Senior IT Security Engineer - I'd be inclined to agree with Facebook with a major caveat... There could be some concerns with privacy and security on Facebook as it's widely known facebook aggregates telemetry with other sources including CIA funded WPP and others. Facebook will offer absolutely no privacy/security and anonymity for anyone.. So if you go there, remember that you'll likely lose people and folks will be less inclined to share their thoughts in an open fashion. Yahoo is definately out of the question as Yahoo themselves built a backdoor into their systems for the US Intel cartels and has a history of 'repeated' hacks. Yahoo should never be considered for anything, even email. Groups.io one is probably the best option for now. But I am convinced Mike isn't ready to give up control even if he isn't interested in moderating or even reading the list. The most simple solution would be for someone to take over this list.. I will assist financially to 'pay the bills' if someone can convince Mike to turn over the reigns.. I think he would trust myself or Marshall to take over ownership because he knows both of us personally. If I took it over I would allocate moderators to assist and advise me and just pay the bills. On Mon, Jun 5, 2017, at 02:44 PM, Steve G wrote: > In that case, since he isn't cooperating, this group should just > migrate to a new platform as best we can. Yahoo groups are still out > there and seem to still thrive. Facebook is another possibility, but > that forces everyone to have a Facebook account.> > The status quo of having a group that the owner is neglecting just > doesn't work.> > Steve > > > > **From:** Jason <resea...@silvermedicine.org> **To:** silver- > l...@eskimo.com **Sent:** Monday, June 5, 2017 2:31 PM **Subject:** > CS>re: Mike is Well> > ...Mike should turn over the account to someone willing to manage it.> > ...or, the list should be transferred to another host before it shuts> off > one day. > > I don't mind running a list, there are some good free list server > software packages that can be run from any domain. > > ~Jason > > > On 6/5/2017 5:43 AM, Itguy wrote: > > > Unfortunately I cannot offer any further assistance. > > > > Mike doesn't have any willingness to manage the list any > > longer. After> > I explained to him the concerns from list members and the > > need > > for him> > to admin the list he said for now he will keep paying the bills > > but> > can't many any further promises. I told him I would advise that he > > simply delete his entire inbox at his email address and start anew.> > He's > > too far behind to even attempt to parse through what may amount> > to > > multiple thousands of emails after many years of neglect. > > Then once> > deleted he can 'keep up' by checking his list and inbox a > > couple of> > times a week... > > > > It's been nearly 2 weeks since I made my wellness trip to his > > home and> > he hasn't checked his email to cleaned out the box, it's still > > filled> > up. I don't think he took my advice. Mike uses Gmail now but > > didn't> > provide me with that address so I have no way to reach him > > other than> > his cell phone number. (should he answer) To be honest, I > > suspect Mike> > isn't even involved with CS any longer. > > > > All I can say at this point is there isn't anything you can do about> > > > this list other than to let it deprecate and possibly manually move> > > > people to a new list. Sorry I cannot be of further help. > > > > -- > >Itguy > >it...@fastmail.com > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.> > Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org[1] > > Unsubscribe: > <mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe> > Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html > > Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com> > List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > Links: 1. http://www.silverlist.org/
Re: CS>re: Mike is Well
Sure hope we can keep the list going and without facebook ... I don't have facebook and don't want to open an account. We get really good info from this list. On 6/5/2017 1:44 PM, Steve G wrote: In that case, since he isn't cooperating, this group should just migrate to a new platform as best we can.
Re: CS>re: Mike is Well
In that case, since he isn't cooperating, this group should just migrate to a new platform as best we can. Yahoo groups are still out there and seem to still thrive. Facebook is another possibility, but that forces everyone to have a Facebook account. The status quo of having a group that the owner is neglecting just doesn't work. Steve From: Jason <resea...@silvermedicine.org> To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:31 PM Subject: CS>re: Mike is Well ...Mike should turn over the account to someone willing to manage it. ...or, the list should be transferred to another host before it shuts off one day. I don't mind running a list, there are some good free list server software packages that can be run from any domain. ~Jason On 6/5/2017 5:43 AM, Itguy wrote: > Unfortunately I cannot offer any further assistance. > > Mike doesn't have any willingness to manage the list any longer. After > I explained to him the concerns from list members and the need for him > to admin the list he said for now he will keep paying the bills but > can't many any further promises. I told him I would advise that he > simply delete his entire inbox at his email address and start anew. > He's too far behind to even attempt to parse through what may amount > to multiple thousands of emails after many years of neglect. Then once > deleted he can 'keep up' by checking his list and inbox a couple of > times a week... > > It's been nearly 2 weeks since I made my wellness trip to his home and > he hasn't checked his email to cleaned out the box, it's still filled > up. I don't think he took my advice. Mike uses Gmail now but didn't > provide me with that address so I have no way to reach him other than > his cell phone number. (should he answer) To be honest, I suspect Mike > isn't even involved with CS any longer. > > All I can say at this point is there isn't anything you can do about > this list other than to let it deprecate and possibly manually move > people to a new list. Sorry I cannot be of further help. > > -- > Itguy > it...@fastmail.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: <mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com> List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com>
