Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin vs VMWare

2000-06-01 Thread [-SwM-]

Hey John,

Win4Lin actually runs Windows, which is what it really has over VMWare.
This means speed is drastically increased. 

VMWare is trying to do something different to Win4Lin: emulate operating
systems -- not just windows, but many, in a virtual environment. My
understanding of Wine is that it is a specific *windows* emulator -- that
is, it emulates the windows environment for a windows application to run
in it.

I have reviewed Win4Lin, though not inlight of VMWare and Wine:
http://www.linuxworld.com.au/article.php3?tid=8aid=5


Gavin Sherry
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On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, John Ferlito wrote:

   Has anyone tried both these products? How do they compare. I've used vmware 
and it emulates the whole x86 system so it's fairly slow. Does Win4Lin work like 
wine, ie just runs win apps? rather than windows itself. How do they compare to wine 
for instance?
 
 
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Re: [SLUG] Sendmail Transfer between systems

2000-06-01 Thread Jobst Schmalenbach

On Wed, May 31, 2000 at 05:04:29PM -0700, Jeremy Kerwin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 I have a question for all those sendmail gurus out there.
 
 One of my customers currently has a Motorola Box running UNIX with Sendmail
 8.x...They are upgrading the box to s Sun Enterprise 450 with sendmail 8.x an
 I would like to know how to get the mailboxes and configuration files from the
 motorola to the Sun..
 
 If anyone has any idea that would be fantastic or even if you could point me
 in the right direction that would be great...

I would suggest to go to the next sendmail (8.10.X based). The new version
has (finally!) a better directory tree (all resides in /etc/mail) and has
some enhanced security features, and a queue dir with subdirs.
I suggest you setup the new box, ftp the config files across and setup sendmail
(incluing the new dir structure) and then setup the user structure on the
new box.

Once that is done shutdown sendmail on the old box, ftp the content of the 
user mail directory accross, point the MX record to the new machine and
start sendmail on the new box. done!

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Re: [SLUG] Mac powerbook 540c with linux?

2000-06-01 Thread Dean Hamstead

Hmm...
check the usual mac projects pages
i dont have the urls off the top of my head
they are
mklinux
?linux68k?
linuxppc

i dont know what cpu you have, but i know when i was trying to get some
working 
they had problems with not having a FPU (equivalent).
Im pretty sure netBSD runs on basically all macs. Bless its soul =)
its not linux
but still its not windows. 

Unix is unix, well for me it is, maybe im just scarey. But its not
windows, and you can 
pretty much move anything between linux - bsd. Or just grab a port =)

Dean

Rachel Polanskis wrote:
 
 Hiya sluggers,
 
 I just scored a mac powerbook 540c for $200.
 
 I think I done me a a good deal.
 
 Now I want to know if I can run Linux on it or not?
 Does anyone know?
 
 thanks...
 
 Rachel Polanskis University of Western Sydney, Nepean
 Senior UNIX AdminPO Box 10, Kingswood NSW 2747
 Systems  OperationsInformation Technology Services, Kingswood
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Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin vs VMWare

2000-06-01 Thread Rev Simon Rumble

On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, [-SwM-] wrote:

 Win4Lin actually runs Windows, which is what it really has over VMWare.
 This means speed is drastically increased. 

VMWare actually runs Windows.

 VMWare is trying to do something different to Win4Lin: emulate operating
 systems -- not just windows, but many, in a virtual environment.

Erm no.  VMWare emulates _hardware_ not operating systems.  That means you
can run other OSes as well as Windows.  I use it for Windows (it's a tad
slow on my PII266) but also it's cool because I can test my Linux Router
Project boot disks and see if they work.  One of these days I'll install
BeOS under it too.

No idea about Win4Lin.  Anthony has a fair bit of experience with it.  You
comments Anthony?  (tempered by the fact you're selling it, of course :)

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Re: [SLUG] A Sydney Uni SLUG chapter?

2000-06-01 Thread Michael Lake

Hi All, 

There are some very important points that Dany has raised
that I would like to elaborate on.

Danny Yee wrote:
 Just a reminder to people that there is a Redhat Linux mirror at
 ftp.anatomy.usyd.edu.au
 and a Debian mirror at
 ftp.usyd.edu.au
 (The anatomy mirror is only accessible from within the NSW RNO.)

Unis don't pay for downloads from mirror.aarnet.edu.au but
do pay for downloads from say RedHat or Netcraft or gnu
sites. Those in unis may not realise this and unis don't
really take the trouble to let their students or staff know.
Their costs are rising and if we are not carefull well
 
 I think it would be a good idea to have a web page like
 http://freesoftware.usyd.edu.au/ with information about these and other
 free software resources within the University.  This is something a
 Sydney University Free Software Users Group might maintain.

All unis should get together and have a common website for
this (aarnet?) so that no matter what uni you are from
you'll know where to find gnu, Linux stuff etc.
 
 Some universities in the US have their own customised Linux distributions,
 see e.g.
 http://sulinux.stanford.edu/
 SULinux stands for Stanford University Linux. SULinux is a version
 of Linux, based upon the standard RedHat distribution of Linux,
 that has been pre-configured to work safely and securely within
 the Stanford computing environment. Stanford has added its own
 packages (in RPM format) to the Redhat version of Linux as a
 means of achieving that goal.
 
 As we get more and more desktop GNU/Linux systems within the uni,
 we might want to start doing something like this too.  One of the huge
 advantages of Linux over Windows or Macs is in client auto-configuration
 and maintainance, but I haven't seen that brought together in a nice
 integrated package yet.

We have a new sys admin in Science here now who is far more
aware of Linux than previous ones. First thing he asked me
was whether I had been keeping up with security patches. I
can see that as more newbies put Linux in (Unis, whereever)
holes will open up. I don't think any uni yet has guidelines
or help for students and staff in setting up their Linux
boxes securely. I don't want the uni telling me I should use
so-and-so distro but I see a future need for them to
possibly probe and where neccessary provide advice and
assistance in security. Its an area where Uni sys admins
need to work together and SLUG and a Syd Uni chapter could
help.

Mike


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Re: [SLUG] Script needed

2000-06-01 Thread James Morris

On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Matthew Dalton wrote:

 Anthony Rumble wrote:
  
  On 1 Jun 2000, Herbert Xu wrote:
  
   Simon Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a file of:
username:password
  
I want to be able to regularly generate a file from this of just the usernames,
  
   cut -d : -f 1
  
  Proving yet again.. theres always at least 15 ways of skining a cat on
  Unix :)
 
 Yep...
 
 $ cat input | sed -e 's/:.*//'  output

And if you're short of cats:

$ sed -e 's/:.*//'  input  output


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Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin vs VMWare

2000-06-01 Thread Anand Kumria

On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 04:00:08PM +1000, [-SwM-] wrote:
 Win4Lin actually runs Windows, which is what it really has over VMWare.
 This means speed is drastically increased. 
 
 VMWare is trying to do something different to Win4Lin: emulate operating
 systems -- not just windows, but many, in a virtual environment. My
 understanding of Wine is that it is a specific *windows* emulator -- that
 is, it emulates the windows environment for a windows application to run
 in it.

I not sure you are correct. Here is how I think it is - someone correct
me if I am wrong.

VMWare: attempts to virtualise the PC by providing software simulations
of most hardware (bar the CPU) and emulates a CPU running in protected
mode by trapping various calls. Fairly slow.

Wine: attempts to map Win32 functions to their X/Linux equivalent. Fairly
fast as it does minimal CPU emulation (it does some because not all registers
are available in user space under Linux)

Win4Lin: provides a set of drivers so that Windows ends up accessing a 
standard X screen/keyboard/mouse. CPU stuff isn't touched; probably
in between Wine and VMWare in terms of speed.

 I have reviewed Win4Lin, though not inlight of VMWare and Wine:
 http://www.linuxworld.com.au/article.php3?tid=8aid=5

Interesting, thanks for URL.

I think though that if Win4Lin provides .rpm and .deb most people
would say it is a fairly advanced install. I am not sure that providing
a tar file of binaries really buys you anything.

With a .rpm and .deb you can at least ensure they have installed any
dependant programs, etc.

The second disadvantage, SysV startup script assumed, is probably an
advantage. I think only Slackware provides the BSD startup mechanism
(though if you really want to go it alone, you can do the same in 
every distribution). Being able to tell people /etc/init.d/foo command
is nice and simple.

Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin vs VMWare

2000-06-01 Thread [-SwM-]



 With a .rpm and .deb you can at least ensure they have installed any
 dependant programs, etc.

I was disappointed that the installation process died and was
unrecoverable unless a SysV init setup was in place. tar.gz would have
allowed a little more playing :P

Gavin Sherry
LinuxWorld.com.au Editor

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[SLUG] SSI and Apache

2000-06-01 Thread George Vieira

Hi all,

I'm a little confused. Does Apache support SSI or not as I tried the below
line and nothing happens.

--#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/counter.cgi"--

I even tried full path and so on..

works if it use the
img src="/cgi-bin/counter.cgi"
but of course there is no picture as it's a hidden counter and i get the X
screen come up..

Any ideas what to check to get the exec going?


thanks,
George Vieira
Network Administrator
Citadel Computer Systems P/L
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au


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Re: [SLUG] Script needed

2000-06-01 Thread Jobst Schmalenbach

On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 03:10:44PM +1000, CaT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 04:24:03AM +, Herbert Xu wrote:
  Simon Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I have a file of:
   username:password
  
   I want to be able to regularly generate a file from this of just the usernames,
  
  cut -d : -f 1
 
 My god... someone else who knows about the cut command. I'm truly
 amazed.
 
 -- 
 CaT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])   URL: http://www.zip.com.au/dev/null
 

I actually followed the entire thread and was truly amazed about the quality
of people following this thread (and yes too patting their ego :-)) ).
So I thought I give that URL a go and I thought I get something cheeky,
sadly I discovered:

Not Found

The requested URL /dev/null was not found on this server.

Apache/1.3.6 Server at www.zipworld.com.au Port 80



How can null not be existing? I have been piping soo much "stuff" into it..


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Re: [SLUG] SSI and Apache

2000-06-01 Thread Matt Allen

Hi George,

You actually need to enable it in httpd.conf in a Directory tag or
something of the like. I think it comes under a Options section.

I dont know exact syntax off hand or i would show you :)

Matta

George Vieira wrote:
 
 OK well I have that yet it doesn't work still, the counter won't
 increment...
 OK.. I'll haveta look further...
 
 thanks,
 George Vieira
 Network Administrator
 Citadel Computer Systems P/L
 http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, 1 June 2000 5:18 PM
 To: George Vieira; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [SLUG] SSI and Apache
 
 httpd.conf
 
 LoadModule includes_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_include.so
 
 I believe this is part of it.. this module allows that first example to work
 :P
 
 -Original Message-
 From: George Vieira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thursday, 1 June 2000 5:04
 Subject: [SLUG] SSI and Apache
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm a little confused. Does Apache support SSI or not as I tried the below
 line and nothing happens.
 
 --#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/counter.cgi"--
 
 I even tried full path and so on..
 
 works if it use the
 img src="/cgi-bin/counter.cgi"
 but of course there is no picture as it's a hidden counter and i get the X
 screen come up..
 
 Any ideas what to check to get the exec going?
 
 
 thanks,
 George Vieira
 Network Administrator
 Citadel Computer Systems P/L
 http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au
 
 
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Re: [SLUG] SSI and Apache

2000-06-01 Thread Michael Fox

httpd.conf

LoadModule includes_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_include.so

I believe this is part of it.. this module allows that first example to work
:P


-Original Message-
From: George Vieira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, 1 June 2000 5:04
Subject: [SLUG] SSI and Apache


Hi all,

I'm a little confused. Does Apache support SSI or not as I tried the below
line and nothing happens.

--#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/counter.cgi"--

I even tried full path and so on..

works if it use the
img src="/cgi-bin/counter.cgi"
but of course there is no picture as it's a hidden counter and i get the X
screen come up..

Any ideas what to check to get the exec going?


thanks,
George Vieira
Network Administrator
Citadel Computer Systems P/L
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au


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RE: [SLUG] SSI and Apache

2000-06-01 Thread George Vieira

OK well I have that yet it doesn't work still, the counter won't
increment...
OK.. I'll haveta look further...

thanks,
George Vieira
Network Administrator
Citadel Computer Systems P/L
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au



-Original Message-
From: Michael Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 1 June 2000 5:18 PM
To: George Vieira; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] SSI and Apache


httpd.conf

LoadModule includes_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_include.so

I believe this is part of it.. this module allows that first example to work
:P


-Original Message-
From: George Vieira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, 1 June 2000 5:04
Subject: [SLUG] SSI and Apache


Hi all,

I'm a little confused. Does Apache support SSI or not as I tried the below
line and nothing happens.

--#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/counter.cgi"--

I even tried full path and so on..

works if it use the
img src="/cgi-bin/counter.cgi"
but of course there is no picture as it's a hidden counter and i get the X
screen come up..

Any ideas what to check to get the exec going?


thanks,
George Vieira
Network Administrator
Citadel Computer Systems P/L
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au


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Re: [SLUG] SSI and Apache

2000-06-01 Thread Dean Hamstead

Read the docs =)

http://www.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_include.html

you either havent installed includes
havent configured shtml  or the xbit hack
or you havent used a shtml file

Dean

George Vieira wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm a little confused. Does Apache support SSI or not as I tried the below
 line and nothing happens.
 
 --#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/counter.cgi"--
 
 I even tried full path and so on..
 
 works if it use the
 img src="/cgi-bin/counter.cgi"
 but of course there is no picture as it's a hidden counter and i get the X
 screen come up..
 
 Any ideas what to check to get the exec going?
 
 thanks,
 George Vieira
 Network Administrator
 Citadel Computer Systems P/L
 http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au
 
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Re: [SLUG] A Sydney Uni SLUG chapter?

2000-06-01 Thread Conrad Parker

On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 02:20:53PM +1000, Michael Lake wrote:
 Danny Yee wrote:
  
  I think it would be a good idea to have a web page like
  http://freesoftware.usyd.edu.au/ with information about these and other
  free software resources within the University.  This is something a
  Sydney University Free Software Users Group might maintain.
 
 All unis should get together and have a common website for
 this (aarnet?) so that no matter what uni you are from
 you'll know where to find gnu, Linux stuff etc.

specific info for each uni is useful, eg. listing local mirrors,
bookshops, and free software that is useful for courses at that uni.
viz:

http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~compsoc/linux/unsw.html

The only really common info I can think of is oz mirrors and so
forth, which isn't really specific to university users.

We should list similar pages on the SLUG site. If anyone has any
urls at other unis, tafes, colleges or wherever, please send them to
me.

Conrad.
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RE: [SLUG] SSI and Apache

2000-06-01 Thread George Vieira

OK. I missed 2 things which now I have it working..

I missed the "Options +Include" and something in the httpd.conf which I've
forgotton as it's TIME TO GO HOME!!! AAAahah!!

Thnak alot guys...

thanks,
George Vieira
Network Administrator
Citadel Computer Systems P/L
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au



-Original Message-
From: George Vieira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 1 June 2000 5:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SLUG] SSI and Apache


OK well I have that yet it doesn't work still, the counter won't
increment...
OK.. I'll haveta look further...

thanks,
George Vieira
Network Administrator
Citadel Computer Systems P/L
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au



-Original Message-
From: Michael Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 1 June 2000 5:18 PM
To: George Vieira; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] SSI and Apache


httpd.conf

LoadModule includes_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_include.so

I believe this is part of it.. this module allows that first example to work
:P


-Original Message-
From: George Vieira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, 1 June 2000 5:04
Subject: [SLUG] SSI and Apache


Hi all,

I'm a little confused. Does Apache support SSI or not as I tried the below
line and nothing happens.

--#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/counter.cgi"--

I even tried full path and so on..

works if it use the
img src="/cgi-bin/counter.cgi"
but of course there is no picture as it's a hidden counter and i get the X
screen come up..

Any ideas what to check to get the exec going?


thanks,
George Vieira
Network Administrator
Citadel Computer Systems P/L
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au


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[SLUG] Getting Rid of Old Magazines Dr Dobbs and Linux Journal

2000-06-01 Thread John Floyd

I have about 7 years of Dr Dobbs up to Dec 1999 and Linux Journals from
its 2nd year (~1995) till Dec 1997 which are about to hit the garbage bin
(recycled of course). (Sorry keeping my first issues of LJ).

Wife requires more space in the bedroom!

Ideal for those absolute junkies who love to drool over the ads attached
to the articles.

Anyone interested in making an offer? Proceeds will go to one of the
winter appeals. Would need to pick up from me.

John Floyd

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[SLUG] Life is a 'where is it'

2000-06-01 Thread Richard Blackburn

I saw in a Sam's book that there is/was a program called cabaret that
worked with file systems on Red Hat. It doesn't seem to be there. Has it
been replaced?

What I need to do is move a chunk of storage space from hd7 to hd6.
How's that done? (I already know . . . very carefully.)

Thanks
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[SLUG] Re: Script needed

2000-06-01 Thread Angus Lees

On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 03:26:22PM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote:
  perl -F: -anle 'print $F[0]' /etc/passwd
 
   perl -e 'print grep { s/^(\w+)\:.*$/$1/; 1; } '  inputfile 
 outputfile
  
 
 True, but that is a way of applying any arbitrary regex...
 Comes in very handy for doing lots of other things too.
 
 More complicated, but more powerfull.

whereas in awk, the field delimiter (-F option) is already a regex

awk: simpler but more powerful  (?)


(down side being: everyone here who uses (eg) "awk -F: '{print $2}'"
to get password fields will screw up on those records that have no
password "user::somethingelse")

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Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin vs VMWare

2000-06-01 Thread Jason Rennie

   Has anyone tried both these products? How do they compare. I've used vmware 
and it emulates the whole x86 system so it's fairly slow. Does Win4Lin work like 
wine, ie just runs win apps? rather than windows itself. How do they compare to wine 
for instance?

Win4Lin runs a whole windows desktop in a window under linux. It doesn't
runa whole virtual machine thought.

It runs win along side linux with linux memory management  and file
system. Much more processor and ram friendly than VMware or so i'm told.

Jason

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RE: [SLUG] A Sydney Uni SLUG chapter?

2000-06-01 Thread Jill Rowling

Sydney Uni now charges students for downloads from everywhere including
mirror.aarnet.edu.au but not for downloads from internal sites (ie within
usyd.edu.au)

Regards,

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...
 Unis don't pay for downloads from mirror.aarnet.edu.au but
 do pay for downloads from say RedHat or Netcraft or gnu
 sites. Those in unis may not realise this and unis don't
 really take the trouble to let their students or staff know.
 Their costs are rising and if we are not carefull well
  
 
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[SLUG] re: perl

2000-06-01 Thread Michael Fox




Anyone know where I can find some sample code 
that interacts with tcp ports. I have some perl code that interacts with a the 
ftp port. I want some mail smtp/pop3 interaction stuff.

Thanks


Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin vs VMWare

2000-06-01 Thread Jeffrey Borg

it is runs win98second edition (well it's all I could get my hands on,
Toshiba only supply a 300mb disk image on thir recovery cd) and I only
have 64mb ram

It works so well I have tried reiserfs on the legacy fat partition :-)

It's up with wine in terms of speed and basiclly 100% capability so far
(it's winsock failed for vncviewer though!) It's more memory efficient
than netscape on linux at times.

The only downfall is the kernel patches for the kernel on the cd is ok I
patched 2.2.14 BUT I tried to patch 2.2.15 and the patch has lines of code
like this


some code here\
  here is the rest of the line\
   et

the \'s needed to be removed from the source to get the kernel to compile.
(that patch was on the web site of trelos)

Now my only problem with it is the new patch for it is supposed to support
serial ports well I couldn't get my mobile phone utilities working.

My explination of how it works

wine just replaces windows
vmware leaves windows there like a machine
win4lin sort of cuts the "legs" of windows and replaces them! leaving the
rest of windows there to work.

On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Jason Rennie wrote:

  Has anyone tried both these products? How do they compare. I've used vmware 
and it emulates the whole x86 system so it's fairly slow. Does Win4Lin work like 
wine, ie just runs win apps? rather than windows itself. How do they compare to wine 
for instance?
 
 Win4Lin runs a whole windows desktop in a window under linux. It doesn't
 runa whole virtual machine thought.
 
 It runs win along side linux with linux memory management  and file
 system. Much more processor and ram friendly than VMware or so i'm told.
 
 Jason

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[SLUG] Perl Books

2000-06-01 Thread Matt

Wow, seems like everyone went spak recommending Perl scripts (oh comon, you 
had to .. it was easy :)

I just thought i'd ask the community for recommendation on cheaper perl book 
alternatives (har har har.. man pages are free) :)

Learning Perl is like 60 dollars and roughly, so is the Cookbook and 
Programming Perl. Are there any other alternatives that popped up lately ? 
Programming books dont HAVE to be over  $50 ... I wonder why they're often 
double that of many other books .. because they have a shorter lifespan ? 
Hmm ..

So can anyone recommend an alternative source of geek books other than 
OReilly or is the price really worth ORA content ?



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RE: [SLUG] Perl Books

2000-06-01 Thread enterfornone

I have no idea why computer books are so expensive, but they are - that's life 
i guess.

I think Dummies/Idiots/24hrs etc have Perl books and are usaully cheaper than 
"serious" books - can't say if they are any good tho.

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Wow, seems like everyone went spak recommending Perl scripts (oh comon, you
had to .. it was easy :)

I just thought i'd ask the community for recommendation on cheaper perl book
alternatives (har har har.. man pages are free) :)

Learning Perl is like 60 dollars and roughly, so is the Cookbook and
Programming Perl. Are there any other alternatives that popped up lately ?
Programming books dont HAVE to be over  $50 ... I wonder why they're often
double that of many other books .. because they have a shorter lifespan ?
Hmm ..

So can anyone recommend an alternative source of geek books other than
OReilly or is the price really worth ORA content ?



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Re: [SLUG] MySQL Document Storing

2000-06-01 Thread Paul Robinson

At 12:47 PM 1/06/00 +1000, [-SwM-] wrote:
Daron,

Just load the entire contents of the file into a field of the table. I
would not, however recommend this if you plan to have a large number of
rows in the database. A better solution is to store the file path in the
database and use perl to read this address and catenate the file from the
filesystem itself.

Gavin Sherry
Editor - LinuxWorld.com.au


I agree with this, mainly because it's what I did for a site that needed 
files uploaded. Although the one I worked on used php  mysql the principal 
is the same, store the path/url into a field and write something to store 
the files on the filesystem in some sort of logical order..

Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] re: perl

2000-06-01 Thread Rick Welykochy

 Michael Fox wrote:
 
 Anyone know where I can find some sample code that interacts with tcp ports. I have 
some perl code that interacts with
 a the ftp port. I want some mail smtp/pop3 interaction stuff.

Check CPAN at http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au for the perl modules
Net::SMTP and Net::POP3 ... makes it easy as pie, mr html ;^)

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Re: [SLUG] Life is a 'where is it'

2000-06-01 Thread Carlo Nizeti

Symantec now have GHOST for netware. I also hear that a Linux version is on
the way. Can anyone bring some light to this?

Carlo


on 1/6/00 6:49 PM, Richard Blackburn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I saw in a Sam's book that there is/was a program called cabaret that
 worked with file systems on Red Hat. It doesn't seem to be there. Has it
 been replaced?
 
 What I need to do is move a chunk of storage space from hd7 to hd6.
 How's that done? (I already know . . . very carefully.)
 
 Thanks
 Richard


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Re: [SLUG] Life is a 'where is it'

2000-06-01 Thread DaZZa

On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Richard Blackburn wrote:

 I saw in a Sam's book that there is/was a program called cabaret that
 worked with file systems on Red Hat. It doesn't seem to be there. Has it
 been replaced?
 
 What I need to do is move a chunk of storage space from hd7 to hd6.
 How's that done? (I already know . . . very carefully.)

Partition magic. It'll do exactly what you want. It's only $60 or so -
well worth it.

DaZZa

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Re: [SLUG] Life is a 'where is it'

2000-06-01 Thread Ben Donohue

Carlo Nizeti wrote:

 Symantec now have GHOST for netware. I also hear that a Linux version is on
 the way. Can anyone bring some light to this?


the ghost for netware will replicate one complete netware server to another,
dos partition and all.
ghost version 5 will already clone a linux partition.
runs from dos.
boot dos.
run ghost and copy your linux partition to a file. then you can put the
partition on a new disk somewhere else or keep it in case you trash your
origional one somehow. very fast. a redhat standard install will backup/restore
in about 10 mins.



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Re: [SLUG] recognising a scsi card

2000-06-01 Thread Jeffrey Borg

what does lsmod list for starters?

I would rmmod it before trying to re insert it again

AND I adaptec isa 1542cp in front of me
 I know the linux kernel module is quite picky about interrupts and io
ports

so I had this set to

io=0x334h

maybe try forgetting the irq switch

On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Ben Donohue wrote:

 hi slugs
 in my quest to get from NT to linux i'm slowly working through various
 hardware and software problems.
 i've tried the following thanks to Jeffrey Borg but no luck.
 
 modprobe aha152x io=0x340 irq=11
 
 and various other syntax's like
 modprobe aha152x 0x340,11 etc but no go.
 
 if i type in...
 modprobe aha152x
 the error is...
 /lib/blah/aha152x.o: init_module: device or resource busy
 
 if i type in...
 modprobe aha152x io=0x340
 the error is...
 /lib/blah/aha152x.o: invalid parameter io
 
 anybody shed some light on this? the distro is mandrake 7.0
 the PC dual boots NT and Linux.
 NT recognises the SCSI card and accompanying DAT tape drive OK and backs
 up/restores.
 the SCSI reports on PC bootup io=340h int=11 base addr=dc00h.
 
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[SLUG] Optus using Linux

2000-06-01 Thread Peter McCarthy

I was just browsing the optus web site and accidently typed

http://www.optus.com

which got translated to 

http://203.18.155.3/

And I got the Apache test page !

Thought it might be of interest..

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Re: [SLUG] Life is a 'where is it'

2000-06-01 Thread Anand Kumria

On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 09:34:16PM +1000, Carlo Nizeti wrote:
 Symantec now have GHOST for netware. I also hear that a Linux version is on
 the way. Can anyone bring some light to this?

[ please if you are going to change subject's like this, how about also
modifying the subject line ]

 on 1/6/00 6:49 PM, Richard Blackburn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I saw in a Sam's book that there is/was a program called cabaret that
  worked with file systems on Red Hat. It doesn't seem to be there. Has it
  been replaced?
  
  What I need to do is move a chunk of storage space from hd7 to hd6.
  How's that done? (I already know . . . very carefully.)

You mean you have free space on hd7 (hda7?) and are running out on hd6 
(hda6?)?. Isn't `mv' good enough? In a pinch you could use tar to move
the directory.

You may want to, if you have the time to rbuild the machine, make use of 
volume management under Linux.

Anand
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Re: [SLUG] recognising a scsi card

2000-06-01 Thread Jon Biddell


modprobe aha152x io=0x340 irq=11

and various other syntax's like
modprobe aha152x 0x340,11 etc but no go.

if i type in...
modprobe aha152x
the error is...
/lib/blah/aha152x.o: init_module: device or resource busy

if i type in...
modprobe aha152x io=0x340
the error is...
/lib/blah/aha152x.o: invalid parameter io

I suggest you get the Adaptec software to re-configure your card and check 
the i/o and irq - I had a similar problem (OK, with a network card !!), 
where the biox was reporting 0x230, when in fact the card was set for 0x210.

Jon

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[SLUG] CivCTP file size check

2000-06-01 Thread Terry Collins

Has anyone got CivCTP and could check a couple of files for me.

ls -l ./ctp_data/default/graphics/pictures/pic5*.zfs
-r--r--r--   1 geneweb  utmp 73830576 Apr 14  1999
./ctp_data/default/graphi
cs/pictures/pic555.zfs
-r--r--r--   1 geneweb  utmp 73830576 Apr 14  1999
./ctp_data/default/graphi
cs/pictures/pic565.zfs
[terryc@owl CivCTP]$   

I've suddenly lost 400Mb overnight and these two file stick out like
the proverbials.


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[SLUG] The MS Fedding Frenzy in Underway

2000-06-01 Thread Rick Welykochy

Repackaged from The Boycott Bulletin http://www.msboycott.com/ ...


Microsoft's Real Problem: No Innovation - John C Dvorak
http://www.pcmag.com/stories/opinions/0,7802,2559857,00.html


ILOVEYOU Microsoft - Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols
http://zdnet.com/sr/stories/column/0,4712,2562098,00.html


Did Microsoft Skip a Grade? - Bill Barker
http://www.fool.com/news/2000/msft000502.htm


What's the Deal With Those Cheesy Ads? - Paul R. La Monica
http://smartmoney.com/smt/columns/rational/index.cfm?story=2504


When Less Is Less - Randy Barrett
http://www.intweek.com/stories/news/0,4164,2567570,00.html


And the Gates qualms go rolling along - Eric Lundquist
http://www.eweek.com/stories/general/0,11011,2558240,00.html


God they're vicious!


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Re: [SLUG] Life is a 'where is it'

2000-06-01 Thread Richard Blackburn

Anand Kumria wrote:
 


 
 You mean you have free space on hda7 and are running out on 
 hda6. Isn't `mv' good enough? In a pinch you could use tar to move the directory.
 
Thanks you for your response. To get more precise the likely candidate
for moving would be the entire doc directory. But I would need to leave
a symbolic link behind ... right? None of the books I have specifically
indicate that a link for an entire directory and all its children is
possible . . . they just talk about links to files. Is such a link
possible?

Richard
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Re: [SLUG] re: perl

2000-06-01 Thread Michael Fox

Sorry about the html post.. I realised after I had sent it.. oops.. damn
default windows clients..

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Date: Thursday, 1 June 2000 9:11
Subject: Re: [SLUG] re: perl


 Michael Fox wrote:

 Anyone know where I can find some sample code that interacts with tcp
ports. I have some perl code that interacts with
 a the ftp port. I want some mail smtp/pop3 interaction stuff.

Check CPAN at http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au for the perl modules
Net::SMTP and Net::POP3 ... makes it easy as pie, mr html ;^)

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Re: [SLUG] Life is a 'where is it'

2000-06-01 Thread Terry Collins

Richard Blackburn wrote:

snip

 Thanks you for your response. To get more precise the likely candidate
 for moving would be the entire doc directory. But I would need to leave
 a symbolic link behind ... right? None of the books I have specifically
 indicate that a link for an entire directory and all its children is
 possible . . . they just talk about links to files. Is such a link
 possible?

Yes

Go to new place you want to put the stuff.
Create new directory new
cd new 
cp -r /path/to/old/*   #copy recursively the original stuff
ls #check it is there

cd /path/to/old
cd ..  # up one level, of course use cd /path
mv old old-2   # shift old aside slightly
ln -s /path/to/new old # make the link
du -s old-2# check size of original
du -s old  # compare to new

if paranoid you can find on each sub-dir and pipe into a file, then
run that program (which I can not remember at present - aaah = diff)
that compares the contents of two files.

Check any apps that work across the link. Occassionally some will not
work.


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Re: [SLUG] Optus using Linux

2000-06-01 Thread Paul Robinson

At 11:28 PM 1/06/00 +1000, Peter McCarthy wrote:
I was just browsing the optus web site and accidently typed

http://www.optus.com

which got translated to

http://203.18.155.3/

Which resolves to:
Name:mail.x.net.au
Address:  203.18.155.3

Who ever x.net.au are


And I got the Apache test page !

Thought it might be of interest..

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Re: [SLUG] CivCTP file size check

2000-06-01 Thread CaT

On Fri, Jun 02, 2000 at 12:02:03AM +1000, Terry Collins wrote:
 Has anyone got CivCTP and could check a couple of files for me.
 
 ls -l ./ctp_data/default/graphics/pictures/pic5*.zfs
 -r--r--r--   1 geneweb  utmp 73830576 Apr 14  1999
 ./ctp_data/default/graphi
 cs/pictures/pic555.zfs
 -r--r--r--   1 geneweb  utmp 73830576 Apr 14  1999
 ./ctp_data/default/graphi
 cs/pictures/pic565.zfs
 [terryc@owl CivCTP]$   
 
 I've suddenly lost 400Mb overnight and these two file stick out like
 the proverbials.

72390 -rw-r-1 root 73834664 Oct 28  1999 
/ctp_data/default/graphics/pictures/pic555.zfs
72390 -rw-r-1 root 73834664 Oct 28  1999 
/ctp_data/default/graphics/pictures/pic565.zfs

Looks about right.

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[SLUG] PPTP via IPMASQ

2000-06-01 Thread Peter Rundle


Has anyone had any success getting PPTP (point to point
tunneling protocol) to work over IPMASQ? or is this one 
of *those* protocols that IPMasq can't do?

I've got a Linux box acting as the dial-out gateway for a
small Lan. On the lan there are doze boxes that browse
the net, use https (ssl) etc etc no problem. However one 
of them has pptp on it and tries to connect to a remote 
site. I see outgoing packets from the doze box and what
looks like outgoing and incoming packets on the Linux 
gateway but no incoming packets get back to the doze box.
The doze box can ping the remote pptp server so the 
end-to-end network is ok for icmp and ip, and I've cut 
the ipchains setup down to the minimum for testing, I.E

  ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j MASQ

I moved the modem to the doze box to check the pptp setup
and it connects no problem when the modem is directly 
connected to it. 

Any ideas?

Thanks

Pete.

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Re: [SLUG] Perl Books

2000-06-01 Thread Matthew Dalton

It's still O'Reilly, but the Perl CD Bookshelf is pretty good value if
you don't mind reading it on your computer (you could always print bits
out). You get 6 books on cd (Learning Perl, Learning Perl on Win32,
Programming Perl, Advanced Perl Programming, Perl Cookbook and Perl in a
Nutshell) plus a dead-tree version of Perl in a Nutshell. The cost is
slightly less than the cost of the dead-tree versions of Learning Perl
and Programming Perl combined (can't remember exactly... about $130 I
think).

The license is good, too. It allows you to make as many copies as you
like, as long as you're the only one using them. So you can copy it to
your work PC, home PC, laptop etc... Plus it's in simple HTML, so it
works in just about any browser.

I found the books themselves to be pretty good, although I haven't read
them all yet. Unfortunately though, I can't compare them to any other
publisher's Perl material.

Matthew

Matt wrote:
 
 So can anyone recommend an alternative source of geek books other than
 OReilly or is the price really worth ORA content ?

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[SLUG] Re: Optus using Linux

2000-06-01 Thread Cameron Simpson

On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 11:28:43PM +1000, Peter McCarthy wrote:
| I was just browsing the optus web site and accidently typed
[...]
| And I got the Apache test page !
| Thought it might be of interest..

Which says nothing about Linux one way or the other. Apache runs on
almost everything.

But as it happens, yes, linux:

GET http://203.18.155.3/
rcode=[200], rtext=OK
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:47:38 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.9 (Unix)  (Red Hat/Linux)
Last-modified: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:48:34 GMT
Etag: "dd802-799-385aafb2"
Accept-ranges: bytes
Content-length: 1945
Content-type: text/html
X-cache: HIT from proxy2.syd.connect.com.au
X-cache: HIT from bellmann.research.canon.com.au
Age: 4838792
X-cache: MISS from proxy-noads.research.canon.com.au
Proxy-connection: close

Redhat, even.
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Re: [SLUG] PPTP via IPMASQ

2000-06-01 Thread Wim Pranata


Maybe IPfwd is what you need.

http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/~cananian/Projects/IPfwd/


wim

On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Peter Rundle wrote:

 Has anyone had any success getting PPTP (point to point
 tunneling protocol) to work over IPMASQ? or is this one 
 of *those* protocols that IPMasq can't do?
 
 I've got a Linux box acting as the dial-out gateway for a
 small Lan. On the lan there are doze boxes that browse
 the net, use https (ssl) etc etc no problem. However one 
 of them has pptp on it and tries to connect to a remote 
 site. I see outgoing packets from the doze box and what
 looks like outgoing and incoming packets on the Linux 
 gateway but no incoming packets get back to the doze box.
 The doze box can ping the remote pptp server so the 
 end-to-end network is ok for icmp and ip, and I've cut 
 the ipchains setup down to the minimum for testing, I.E
 
   ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j MASQ
 
 I moved the modem to the doze box to check the pptp setup
 and it connects no problem when the modem is directly 
 connected to it. 
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Thanks
 
 Pete.


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RE: [SLUG] PPTP via IPMASQ

2000-06-01 Thread David Kempe

this is a very common question on another list im on the poptop list.
I think this may be helpful

ipchains -A input -i $R_D -p 47 -s 0/0 -d $RED/32 -j ACCEPT
ipchains -A input -i $R_D -p tcp -s 0/0 -d $RED/32 1723 -j ACCEPT

Note that pptp uses GRE protocol number 47 in the above config. The above
lines aren't cut/pastable. You need to modify them so they fityour  config.
Checking what each bit means is helpful. There is a VPN module for pptp as
well.
http://www.wolfenet.com/~jhardin/ip_masq_vpn.html

Yer so if that ain't helpful keep diggin :)

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 Sent: Friday, 2 June 2000 10:21 AM
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 Subject: [SLUG] PPTP via IPMASQ



 Has anyone had any success getting PPTP (point to point
 tunneling protocol) to work over IPMASQ? or is this one
 of *those* protocols that IPMasq can't do?

 I've got a Linux box acting as the dial-out gateway for a
 small Lan. On the lan there are doze boxes that browse
 the net, use https (ssl) etc etc no problem. However one
 of them has pptp on it and tries to connect to a remote
 site. I see outgoing packets from the doze box and what
 looks like outgoing and incoming packets on the Linux
 gateway but no incoming packets get back to the doze box.
 The doze box can ping the remote pptp server so the
 end-to-end network is ok for icmp and ip, and I've cut
 the ipchains setup down to the minimum for testing, I.E

   ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j MASQ

 I moved the modem to the doze box to check the pptp setup
 and it connects no problem when the modem is directly
 connected to it.

 Any ideas?

 Thanks

 Pete.

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[SLUG] Script wanted

2000-06-01 Thread Terry Collins

Hello Sluggers

Ran than risk brain fusion and since so many like showing off their
scripting skills {:-), I thought I would just ask this one.

List every file in the directory and its contents (an integer number)


I've been fiddling with

for o in 'ls -1'
do
  $o  'cat $o'  #but haven't twigged to what is wrong with 2nd part
done   results

taa.

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Re: [SLUG] Script wanted

2000-06-01 Thread [-SwM-]

Am I first?

 I've been fiddling with
 
 for o in 'ls -1'
 do
   $o  'cat $o'  #but haven't twigged to what is wrong with 2nd part
 done   results

#!/bin/bash

dir=`/path/to/dir`
cd $dir
for i in `ls -1`
do
cat $i  file
done



if you execute the script in the dir, it will be appended to the file

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Re: [SLUG] Script wanted

2000-06-01 Thread Rick Welykochy

Terry Collins wrote:

 for o in 'ls -1'
 do
   $o  'cat $o'  #but haven't twigged to what is wrong with 2nd part
 done   results

Try echo ...

for o in *; do echo $o `cat $o`; done

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Re: [SLUG] Script wanted

2000-06-01 Thread Tony Cook

On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Terry Collins wrote:

 Hello Sluggers
 
 Ran than risk brain fusion and since so many like showing off their
 scripting skills {:-), I thought I would just ask this one.
 
 List every file in the directory and its contents (an integer number)
 
 
 I've been fiddling with
 
 for o in 'ls -1'
 do
   $o  'cat $o'  #but haven't twigged to what is wrong with 2nd part
 done   results

I'm not too sure what you wanted.

If there won't be huge numbers of files:

cat /path/to/dir/* results

If you want to do something more with each file:

(for o in `ls -1`
 do
   echo == $o == ; cat $o
 done )  results

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Re: [SLUG] CivCTP file size check

2000-06-01 Thread Anand Kumria

On Fri, Jun 02, 2000 at 12:02:03AM +1000, Terry Collins wrote:
 Has anyone got CivCTP and could check a couple of files for me.
 
 ls -l ./ctp_data/default/graphics/pictures/pic5*.zfs
 -r--r--r--   1 geneweb  utmp 73830576 Apr 14  1999
 ./ctp_data/default/graphi
 cs/pictures/pic555.zfs
 -r--r--r--   1 geneweb  utmp 73830576 Apr 14  1999
 ./ctp_data/default/graphi
 cs/pictures/pic565.zfs
 [terryc@owl CivCTP]$   

Just in case you weren't aware `md5sum' is a better check than using
the file size, date and/or time. It is highly unlikely that two
files with dissimiliar content (but the same size) will generate
the same hash.

Anand
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Re: [SLUG] recognising a scsi card

2000-06-01 Thread Ben Donohue

hi slugs,
thanks for all the replies,
still trying to get this tape drive running. i've discovered that if i type...

modprobe aha152x,io=0x340h
or
modprobe aha152x,io=0x340h,irq=11

there are no complaints. seems like the comma does the trick and the command
prompt comes back.
i still don't know if the tape drive is working, but i don't know where to go
from here.
what console tape commands are there to run a simple test backup to the tape
drive?
or how do i mount it etc?
i'm a complete newbie as regards to tape backup on linux and i'm wondering
what's the next step.



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[SLUG] StarOffice - WordCount macro anyone ?

2000-06-01 Thread Grahame M. Kelly

Hi Sluggers.

Anyone got a document word count for Starwriter ?
Nothing found on the Sun StarOffice Sunsolve. 

Thanks Grahame.

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[SLUG] laptop to PC

2000-06-01 Thread Russell Davie

Hi again, 
another newbie question, I hope you all don't mind!

How can a laptop to install files from a destop PC CDROM via parallel
cable? ie: laplink cable connecting LPT1 to LPT1.
Hopefully to install RH6.2 on laptop!
I've trawled the RH6.2 CD contents and linux sites and so far only found
details about using PLIP to install Debian GNU-Linux.  Have yet to found
the PLIP-HOWTO, also I have Red Hat
http://home.snafu.de/wehe/Laptop-HOWTO-5.html

the laptop is a IBM thinkpad 755cse (486/100DX), 8mg ram, 540HD.   It
connects (in windoze) v.nicley to a destop PC via a laplink cable (LPT1 to
LPT1) using old dos program fxlink.

Any help is appreciated

thanks 
Russell

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Re: [SLUG] Perl Books

2000-06-01 Thread Jobst Schmalenbach

On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 08:42:33PM -0500, Matt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Wow, seems like everyone went spak recommending Perl scripts (oh comon, you 
 had to .. it was easy :)
 
 I just thought i'd ask the community for recommendation on cheaper perl book 
 alternatives (har har har.. man pages are free) :)
 
 Learning Perl is like 60 dollars and roughly, so is the Cookbook and 
 Programming Perl. Are there any other alternatives that popped up lately ? 
 Programming books dont HAVE to be over  $50 ... I wonder why they're often 
 double that of many other books .. because they have a shorter lifespan ? 
 Hmm ..
 
 So can anyone recommend an alternative source of geek books other than 
 OReilly or is the price really worth ORA content ?

You get what you pay for, simple as that.
O'Reilly *IS* good.
Full Stop.

Jobst

PS: I am two books short of getting "the deal", too ;-).




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[SLUG] Telnet from the Borg

2000-06-01 Thread Howard Lowndes

I have just discovered that when I use M$ telnet to access a Linux box,
when I close the connection the netstat -a shows the connection as CLOSE
with details of the established socket rather then as LISTEN with no
socket details.

The effect of this is that I cannot establish another telnet connection to
that port.

How can I clear that entry from the netstat table short of rebooting the
Linux box?  It doesn't seem to want to time out.

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