Re: [SLUG] Tools for documentation.
Rodos? Clarify please, Michael and I are up for a flame. Don't let me hold you guys back. I am wanting to document a software project, but mainly the hardware and configuration site. I need to incorporate some schematic diagrams (xcircuit) and some pictures (jpeg). I need to be able to print the documentation and place it into an Intranet. I do not need to be able to colabourate with anyone else. HTML --- DocBook --- PS/PDF | | V RTF DocBook is extraordinarily fast to work with - once you have a working knowledge of the tags you need, it's lucid. sect1 titleWidgets/title paraWidgets are really helpful, blah, blah, blah... [and so on]/para sect2 titleThe Big Widget/title paraOnly very strong engineers should work with Big Widgets.../para /sect2 /sect1 And so forth. All your really important words and features in your text you markup to distinguish what they are. For instance: commandcp/command replaceablesource/replaceable replaceabledestination/replaceable This means your processing software (say stylesheets like DSSSL) can make them look they way you want. It also aids automation of your document in other ways (searching, etc). When it comes to images and other sgmltagMediaObjects/sgmltag (that's real DocBook by the way), you can define different sources for different outputs. In your example, the jpegs could be used for just about any output, whilst your xcircuits could be rendered to PS/EPS for print, and GIF or even Flash for web. You just tell it what the source is, and its type, and your processor does the rest. But lets add another senario. Lets pretend I am writing some open source software and I am wanting to document it before I place it onto freshmeat. I am going to need stuff that people obviously expect. These would be a man(1) page, a README file and some details on how the software works, some examples etc. Lets call the last on the user docs or manual. Can any of these tools help me create these variety of documents. Not sure where this is leading, just throwing it out and seeing what comes back. Alright, you'd be nuts not to do this in DocBook. To begin with, a whole swathe of the DocBook specification was based on man pages - read: http://www.docbook.org/tdg/html/ch02.html#MAKING-REFENTRY So you can process these into real manpages at the flick of a wrist. Cool, huh? Um, do your README in vi. Like normal hackers do. I'm kidding - you can do this in DocBook as well, but don't quote me when I say you can output to plain text. DocBook wasn't designed to do README's, so you may find one of the HTML/text tools floating around on Freshmeat useful - or you can always copy out of Lynx (which is how I do stuff like that). *Very* interested in Mike's talk - perhaps I should organise a DocBook/TeX Religious Wars for that night? Hmm... - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tools for documentation.
Um, do your README in vi. Like normal hackers do. I'm kidding - you can do this in DocBook as well, but don't quote me when I say you can output to plain text. DocBook wasn't designed to do README's, so you may find one of the HTML/text tools floating around on Freshmeat useful - or you can always copy out of Lynx (which is how I do stuff like that). Actually the advanced "text processor" which the LDP use to create text documents when required is actually a remarkable $ lynx -dump howto.html howto.txt On the HTML output from Jade... Quick hacks are always the best. ? Chuck [ charles hamilton dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] All this talk about mail formats!
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Jeffrey Borg wrote: Hi there (yet again) Now that all of you there have got me interestered in this Maildir format for messages I would like to try it out Of course I need to get some opinions about it first A) pine can be rebuilt to support it? Not as such. There are patches for the UW imapd that ships with pine. This allows pine to talk to the imapd which will read the Maildir/ on pine's behalf. Pine will still use mbox format to store messages in local folders. See http://www.qmail.org for the patches B) there is a imap server to support it? Apart from the patches to UW impad, there is Courier imapd. This IMAP daemon supports Maildir/ format and will also create sub folders in Maildir/ format. Works with pine and can be made to work with Netscape and Outlook (even though both of these do not correctly conform to the IMAP protocol). See http://www.qmail.org C) Same thing for pop3! qmail's qmail-pop3d will ONLY support Maildir/ format. It requires checkpassword for the user authentication and either inetd or tcpserver (from ucspi-tcp) to handle the network connections. See http://www.qmail.org You do NOT need to run qmail to use qmail-pop3d. You just need mail stored in a Maildir/ in each user's home directory. D) procmail can be patched Apparently yes. I'm not entirely sure. Also look for maildrop, which supports Maildir/ and safecat See http://www.qmail.org E) there isn't any reason to replace sendmail if procmail can worry about maildir then (for now) Not wishing to start a religous war (honest :), I can think of a couple of reasons to replace sendmail that have nothing to do with procmail (or whatever your choice of MDA :) NOW the hardest questions of all For my laptop mail updating at home I just run rsync over the mail directory and it works nicely BUT when I am away apart from that being a bit slow, it dosen't allow for the READ flag to be saved (say I read a message on the laptop then update it that message becomes unread again and thus wastes more bandwidth in rsync updates) So what I do is have a extra procmail rule to duplicate all email into another mbox file, the rsync update removes this file and the other update setup I just gzip it and transfer it to the laptop (via ssh of course :-) then run it thru procmail using the formail command. hence producing the exact same mail setup on both sides. when I get back home I usually just quickly in pine just jump to the message I read last and view it then hold "p" to mark all previous messages as read. then rsync it again. It's this setup that has me worried about using maildirs For a description of how Maildir/ works, see http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html This should give you clues on what to do with messages that have been read (ie moved to the ./Maildir/cur directory. Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Question about maildirs / procmail
OK, I'm *REALLY* pleased with myself. I have a stock RedHat / Sendmail setup on a test system I have installed the patched procmail. in /etc/procmailrc is the line: ORGMAIL=/usr/home/$LOGNAME/Maildir/ Have converted mbox's with one of the convert scripts available on qmail.org Any .procmailrc files in the home directories just need a trailing / on the foldername, then procmail will deliver to folder/new (maildir format) Installed the patched imapd server. IMAP is heaps faster when dealing with large mailbox's. Because IMAP is a standard, any client capable of talking IMAP will work. Micro$soft Outlook Express runs much better, moving messages and renaming folders finally works properly. I can have Folders with mail messages AND sub folders (something you couldn't have before). Netscape just fine (of course) Now the big challenge (what started this) is to get all that neat stuff to compile on SCO Ian. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: 9:52am up 368 days, 17:37, 1 user, load average: 1.02, 1.01, 1.00
For more "Who's-got-the-biggest" comparisons see http://uptimes.net Beat Bolli -- dware design software GmbH Mattenstrasse 11, CH-2555 Brügg b. Biel Telefon: +41 (32) 374 27 00, Telefax: +41 (32) 374 27 01 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tools for documentation.
Wrote Andrew Morton on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 08:20:04AM +: Jeff Waugh wrote: DocBook is extraordinarily fast to work with - once you have a working knowledge of the tags you need, it's lucid. erm.. I once did a 60 pager in Docbook and nearly died. It were 'orrid. What tool do you people use for the actual editing? Do you edit the tags directly? Use emacs PSGML mode? Anyone tried Conglomerate? (I think that's xml-only...) I did a 70 pager in DocBook using Vim. It gave me syntax highlighting but that was about it. I'm accustomed to writing my HTML by hand though so the angle brackets are rather comfortable. I remember it being much more annoying a few years ago. I have used LyX in DocBook mode - it is very nice but not particularly powerful. It doesn't have all the tags built in (mainly has the structural ones) and you enter the rest by hand. But this is still useful for converting HTML/whatever docs to DocBook because you simply paste the document in then mark sections, authors, pre style sections, etc. psgml I have not braved yet. I am on the way. I spent half a day becoming proficient with emacs but didn't get far enough to find it really useful (easy indenting, nice syntax highlighting) so I lapsed back to Vim. psgml sounds like what I need though - C-c C-e gives you the list of tags available where you are at the moment. Conglomerate: Is only in proof of concept stage at the moment. The proof, however, looks very very nice. I like the idea a lot. http://www.conglomerate.net Even if it only supports XML, so does DocBook, so no problem there. It is being totally rewritten/implemented at the moment so waiting with dripping jaws. And one other thing: changebars. Non capito. What is a changebar? Chuck [ charles hamilton dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Hi posters.
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 05:16:46PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: [[ Peter Rundle wrote this ]] Perhaps the list of fame should be resorted on total bytes posted ;-) Perhaps so - but Anand has taken to throwing his netiquette out the window and including verbose quotes... netiquette also include keeping attributions and short signatures too. ;) Anand -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tools for documentation.
Hi Andrew, [..] Non capito. What is a changebar? The ability to have those little vertical lines on the LHS of the page indicating which parts of the document have changed since the previous revision. Quite invaluable for large documents which go through multiple reviews and revisions. You don't want to wade through hundreds of pages wondering what has changed since last time you read it. This is very, very hard to do with a docbook/latex style toolchain. Really, your editor has to be aware of (and to be able to alter) the markup. Mmm interesting. I have been thinking about this since you posted about changebars - revision control in the document. I had not thought about it before apart from CVS. It seems to be a requirement for production documenting environments. But something that I had never thought about. Perhaps the expensive tools from Arbortext provide this functionality. It is not obvious how to do in DocBook although it would be not too difficult to customise the DTD and stylesheets to provide the appropriate functionality. CVS provides much more of a source-level solution - it is easy for DocBook people to use CVS to track changes, but for someone reading a printed copy CVS is not particularly useful unless you did some major tool hackage and created a Bonsai mutation. Any idea whether any of Arbortext's tools provide some of this functionality. It seems that this could be done about from DocBook, as long as you had tools which don't currently exist. Jeff has posted to DocBook list on the same and will report back soon. Just to increase his byte rate. [ charles hamilton dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Whose got the biggest
Only within the last 3 months did I decommision a system with the following config. Kernel 1.3.41 Pentium 90 32Mb memory 1.2 Gb SCSI Disk It ran since early 1996 (Feb) acting as a mail gateway (Smail 3) and http proxy (Apache proxy) servicing approximately 200 users In the 4+ years it was only powered down once (for a 16Mb to 32Mb memory upgrade. Throughout these 4 years the kernel 'took a lickin, but still kept a clickin' and software was incrementally upgrade without the need to stop the system from running. There was NO hardware failures at all, pretty good since is was a Cheap Taiwanese Clone. Apache Proxy -- Squid Smail -- Sendmail Change ISP's - try that with NT. Unfortunately I didn't have the stats for its actual uptime, but I bet it would have been listed on the 'uptimes' top 10. (More that 750days) SK __ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] FrontPage Extensions
I'm trying to get FPE installed on Apache. I have gone back to apache 1.3.3 cos thats the version that FPE4.0 want to use. I can get the install script fp_install.sh to run, but when it asks for the Administrator name it does not ask for the password to go with that name. Despite that it seems to install correctly and it is accessible from the FP client, but it cannot be admin'ed to allow the setup of new webs, seemingly because the admin password is missing. Looking at the install script there is a subroutine called getpassword() which would prompt for the password, only problem is, it never gets called. If anyone has any experience in this field could they offer some assist on getting this sucker installed properly, pse. ...and I don't want to hear about "don't use it"...its not an option. (8-(. -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] search and replace
Is there a command in vi or somesuch standard cli editor to search and replace in my case change all ".org" entries to ".com" in the dns files im sure awk or seomthing can do it also many thanks to those who reply, may you rank highly in the top posters next time Dean -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] OT: Employment Opportunity
(Ok - not "strictly" linux-based, but I do have two HP9000's running HP/UX !!!) I need a contractor for a just over 2 week stint, from 13 July to 28, to look after the network while I'm on leave My PHB has just gone on leave and, due to a death in the family, didn't get around to organizing someone for me. So I have some freedom in this area, and would prefer to get a student-type who maybe needs some industry exposure (and the use of a 2Mb 'net connection !!!) Requirements: NT / Netware skills, knowledge of CAT5 cabling and Lucent 110 cabling, some Unix, EvilWare 95, Lotus Notes. Duties: Baby-sit the 15+ NT and 4 Netware servers I have, change DLT tapes on 2 sites (Margaret St and Bridge St City) daily, restores, and other mundane and boring tasks as requested by the IT team in Melbourne. Basically, you'll be your own boss as far as supervision goes for the two weeks - possibility (VERY real, if I have my way !!) of further work later in the year when we do some big infrastructure changes. Rate: Not decided yet - the PHB in Melbourne will let me know on Thursday. We don't need a "guru", and probably won't be able to afford one, just someone who's comfortable with the OS's, can plug and unplug cables and calm users down occasionally (note: NO DESKTOP SUPPORT AT ALL !!!), and generally make intelligent decisions and who is not afraid of asking the guys in Melbourne before doing things. Yes, I do have an RH6.2 box that you are more than welcome to play with and bugger up in your spare time. If you know anyone who may be interested, please contact me off-list. Jon Network Manager Marsh Pty Ltd 0419 422 537 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] TCP keepalives
Does anyone know whether Linux TCP stacks use keepalives. If not how can I get to use them. I seem to have a problem with one end of a telnet session dying and the other end not knowing that it has died, it still shows as ESTABLISHED, or sometimes as CLOSED, in a netstat -a listing. -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] TCP keepalives
I have a problem where a remote telnet client gets turned off for some reason, stupid user, lost telco connection, power outage, but the server end doesn't know about it and so netstat still shows the connection as ESTABLISHED. I have looked around at keepalives and found some interesting parameters in /proc/sys/net/ipv4: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_probes /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_max_ka_probes The default values are respectively 9, 7200, 5 which I read as being 5 probes sent every 2 hours, and when a total of 9 cycles has received no response then the connection is determined to be down. This means that it could take up to 18 hours to identify the loss of connection. I have changed the values to 5, 60, 5 so that a broken connection gets noticed within 5 minutes. I wonder if this is working though because the offending connections have not gone down. I would like to ask the kernel geeks out there these questions: Do these existing connections use the values that existed when the connection was established, and any new connections will have the new values? Does the setting of these values activate keepalives, or is there some other boolean flag that I need to set in addition? What are the implications of changing these values, apart from the obvious? Most long time connections to this server are telnet, imap or ssh. Am I on the correct track or did I miss a turning somewhere? -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] search and replace
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Dean Hamstead wrote: Is there a command in vi or somesuch standard cli editor to search and replace in my case change all ".org" entries to ".com" in the dns files im sure awk or seomthing can do it also In vi you can use: %s/\.org/.com/g (for every line, replace every literal .org with .com) But this requires loading each file (I'm not a vi* user, so there might be a way of doing it) Perl has a handy in-place edit feature: perl -i.bak -pe 's/\.org/.com/g' files ... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Tools for documentation.
My 2c is not to worry about format at first. The single most important thing about writing is the message you want to convey, what you want to say and how to say it. If you just write what you want in ordinary text, using your preferred editor, without considering markup or how your document looks, you will do a better job of communicating. It is then not too hard to markup afterwards, often using the same text editor. An example of a system that takes ordinary text and puts it into html is txt2html (search freshmeat). This perl script guesses headings, lists and preformatted areas. html2ps is another script that may be useful. These won't do as good a job as LaTex or DocBook, but have a much smaller learning curve and may do the job for simple projects. I would try to avoid systems that place your document into proprietary formats (especially non ascii ones). You always want to be able to edit your primary document with an ordinary text editor. For that reason, LaTex, DocBook, Lout, groff or even html are preferrable (if you can). Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] search and replace
Michael Lake wrote: Dean Hamstead wrote: Is there a command in vi or somesuch standard cli editor to search and replace in my case change all ".org" entries to ".com" in the dns files im sure awk or seomthing can do it also cat your_dns_file | sed 's/\.org/\.com/' new_dns_file The \. escapes the dot and the dot is there so that names like www.organ_society.org don't end up as www.coman_society.com Um... this example will still get screwed up. The 'org' bit in www.organ_socitety.org has a dot before it! Better to try Herbert's suggestion... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] search and replace
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Dean Hamstead wrote: Is there a command in vi or somesuch standard cli editor to search and replace In vi (or vim) :g/\.org/s//.com/g In perl perl -i -p -e 's#.org#.com#g' filename in my case change all ".org" entries to ".com" in the dns files im sure awk or seomthing can do it also DO NOT FORGET TO UPDATE THE DNS SERIAL NUMBER! Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: search and replace
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Matthew Dalton wrote: Michael Lake wrote: Dean Hamstead wrote: Is there a command in vi or somesuch standard cli editor to search and replace in my case change all ".org" entries to ".com" in the dns files im sure awk or seomthing can do it also cat your_dns_file | sed 's/\.org/\.com/' new_dns_file The \. escapes the dot and the dot is there so that names like www.organ_society.org don't end up as www.coman_society.com Um... this example will still get screwed up. The 'org' bit in www.organ_socitety.org has a dot before it! Very good point In vi :g/\.org\/s//.com/g In perl perl -i -p -e 's#.org(\W)#.com$1#g' Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Root RAID Setup
Hi all, I'm building a box as a server and i was planning to a RAID1 Setup on the machine using the software RAID in the linux kernel. I was planning to run a root raid disk and the HOW-TO warns that it is out of date. Can anybody suggest a good source of uptodate info on this ?? Jason GnuPG Key 2450EEDC Jason Rennie[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 1A2B 5E34 B45A 2871 A488 99C7 7579 5FFC 2450 EEDC -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: 9:52am up 368 days, 17:37, 1 user, load average:1.02, 1.01, 1.00
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Beat Bolli wrote: For more "Who's-got-the-biggest" comparisons see http://uptimes.net Wow, at 463 days I come in at number 20! Cool. And to think I renovated my house and rewrired everything during that time, well appart from the office. I did do the meters, switchboard and supply from the street though. Rodos -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | What goes up must come down. Ask any Windows NT system Camion Technology | administrator. [Anon] +61 2 9873 5105 | -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Re: More Info on DocBook (Was: Tools for documentation)
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 02:07:08PM +1000, Erich Schulz wrote: Could someone point me to more info on for doc book. I have been a latex user for a long time now, but I really want to make much more use of the web and intranets for dissemination. DocBook and SGML seem to me to be a fairly natural progression from latex. "docbook: the definative guide" http://www.docbook.org/ once you understand the overview, the docs for each tag are all you need. apt-get install docbook-stylesheets-doc -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] another idea about this list
Yeah well as I was having my morning shower I had another idea about this list, so it might be really shithouse... but here goes. Why not have the mailing list set the reply address of the list (or even the only address of the list) to one that is retrieved by a perl/php script and parsed into a mysql database? This strikes me as the most powerful way to handle the problem of list archiveing and indexing. Then we can have all the flexibility of a datadriven source to power our list. Then we can make the mailbot script add uniquie ids to the list, have it recognise threads (%age similar subject i spose), easily searchable much more powerful. Only downside is the storage problem i spose :( as in who has the resources to donate to our worthy cause? I'm sure there are many gurus willing to help write a very powerful script... Just a thought, dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Re: Tools for documentation.
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 04:13:17PM +1000, Chuck Dale wrote: Actually the advanced "text processor" which the LDP use to create text documents when required is actually a remarkable $ lynx -dump howto.html howto.txt On the HTML output from Jade... (just in case anyone cares..) its slightly more sophisticated than that: jade -V nochunks other args lynx -dump the "nochunks" puts it all on the same web pages (and changes a few other things, depending on the stylesheet) i much prefer: jade -V nochunks blah | w3m -T text/html -dump since w3m does a *much* better job of tables (and accepts stdin) Quick hacks are always the best. ? i'd really like a troff backend to do this. troff generates really nice text (which sounds silly for some reason..) -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: 9:52am up 368 days, 17:37, 1 user, load average: 1.02, 1.01, 1.00
And I see a fimilar person on this list has a machine on the uptimes.net site.. I just spotted it :) 78 proxy.secret.com.au Andypoo 266 days, 21:19 100.0% (0) Linux 2.2.6 0.00 99% i486 -Original Message- From: Beat Bolli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, 27 June 2000 6:56 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: 9:52am up 368 days, 17:37, 1 user, load average: 1.02, 1.01, 1.00 For more "Who's-got-the-biggest" comparisons see http://uptimes.net Beat Bolli -- dware design software GmbH Mattenstrasse 11, CH-2555 Brügg b. Biel Telefon: +41 (32) 374 27 00, Telefax: +41 (32) 374 27 01 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Red Eye removal - automatic script in Gimp ???
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Sonam Chauhan wrote: The application is for the camera to pan and follow a laser pointer about in a video-conferening type situation. The PC already has the processing Simple C routine to find a laser spot (need to pulse laser though): http://www.swrtec.de/swrtec/robot2/findlaser.html They use the usual technique, take a reference immage and your new one, then do a diff of the pixels. The laser is where the diff is. You would also have to look for a high red value in the diff otherwise you would pick up people etc. I might have a go at hacking up something on my next free night. Rodos -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The first 90% of the code accounts for 90% of the Camion Technology | development time. The remaining 10% of the code +61 2 9873 5105 | accounts for the other 90% of the development time. | [Tom Cargill] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Hi posters.
Now, If we could just write a script that automatically judges an email on Quality of Answer . H ... Matta Anand Kumria wrote: On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 05:16:46PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: [[ Peter Rundle wrote this ]] Perhaps the list of fame should be resorted on total bytes posted ;-) Perhaps so - but Anand has taken to throwing his netiquette out the window and including verbose quotes... netiquette also include keeping attributions and short signatures too. ;) Anand -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- Matt Allen Linux/PHP eCommerce Solutions Linux Worx Linux Networking www.linuxworx.com.auConsulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0413 777 771 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Tools for documentation
I'm a little late on this - BUT I write books that require lots of x-refs and citations (legal stuff). I have been using LaTeX and emacs with Reftex since the combination provides *fantastic* support for authors. Converting to rtf and html is fast and efficient. Can DocBook or anything else provide that kind of support for my kind of work? I've got no religious feelings about these things at all as long as it can get the work done. Cheers, Alan -- -- Alan L Tyree[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.law.usyd.edu.au/~alant Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 419 638 170 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Red Eye removal - automatic script in Gimp ???
The application is for the camera to pan and follow a laser pointer about in a video-conferening type situation. The PC already has the processing ability so it would be good to exploit it. The camera could be moved by a motor at the base. Rodos, your idea is a good one too. Extending it: the camera could trace figures (e.g. red marker writing on a whiteboard) and then do character recognition. Following the laser pointer across the board would be a good beginning. GIMP may or may not be too slow for video - the major problem is lack of knowledge about GIMP internals and to 'expose' them. I did some usenet posts on sci.image.processing which seem to suggest that image thresholding will work. I'm new to Image Processing myself. This is what I am looking at: Color Segmentation and Edge Detection software from Rutgers Uni. (their Java package) http://www.caip.rutgers.edu/riul/research/slides.html Simple C routine to find a laser spot (need to pulse laser though): http://www.swrtec.de/swrtec/robot2/findlaser.html Regards, Sonam On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Sonam Chauhan wrote: I'm interested in using the GIMP for project of mine that is pretty similar: Tracking a Laser pointer Dot with a webcam-type camera. Now thats a good idea, whats your application? I wonder if you could also use it to track a marker with a solid coloured ball on the end. Make your whiteboard into a large input tablet. You could put the camera on a 45deg angle to the board, or even one either side to cater for left and right handed people. If you are going to use Script-Fu and the GIMP I'd love to join in. If you are going to do it real time as opposed to static images then I doubt using GIMP would be efficient. So many projects and ideas, so little time. Rodos -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to Camion Technology | support it for the rest of your life. [Michael Sinz] +61 2 9873 5105 | -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- Sonam Chauhan Electronic Commerce Corporate Express Australia Ltd. Phone: +61-2-9335-0725 Fax: +61-2-9335-0753 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] FAQs about Fax
(Seems that messages cced to the list don't get thru) Hey sluggers, attached is my first draft faxing FAQ. Flame away... FAQs about Fax A Frequently Asked Questions about faxing and linux. For a disclaimer of sorts about this content, see the bottom. No disclaimer on the humour tho :-P Contents Useful URLS at bottom. __General__ * Whats this faxing stuff? Like it or not, faxes have not gone away as a means of communication for many companies and people. There is still somehting about paper, people just can't seem to give it up. Times are changing tho, the rise of email is defintly bitten into the market and mindshare of faxing. Be it for record keeping or for fax spam, people still need faxing... * What options are there? Quite a few, faxing basically is a digital to analogue conversion so many things are possible. As for ones that work, well. Three that I have found for Linux, Hylafax, Mgetty + Sendfax, and just new Fax2Send. My recommendation is for Hylafax due to its maturity and flexibilty and decent Windows clients. For me, Windows clients are a must as Linux isn't making it onto the desktop of most small businesses any time soon. The Linux based client for Hylafax are decent too. Much scripting potential. This also goes for Mgetty. I must admit I only just found Fax2Send and have no experience with it. If any has tried it I;d love to compare notes. Keep in mind that it is not totally free, as opposed to the other two solutions. I have had most experience with Hylafax after checking out its feature set and deciding it was worth it - I have never looked back. * What hardware do I need? A very basic Linux box will handle most faxing tasks very reliably. Not too much RAM, better than 486 etc. A decent modem is probably the biggest requirement, or for more demanding applications, a few or a bank of modems. This is where it is worth spending money on if you want a decent faxing box. In my experience most Rockwell based modems are very good for faxing, all the 56K ones seem to support Class 1 and 2 faxing at least. For example, a Dynalink 56k External (never get PCI/winmodems!!) is autodetected by Hylafax, and the correct command for flow control, fax variable and other stuff are automatically installed. Dynalink are a fairly cheap brand but anything that uses the stock Rockwell chipset should do. For larger things, I know at least Hylafax can support nearly unlimited amounts of modems, I have heard people quote sending thousands of faxes a day on multiple modems and having the whole thing run nicely. Keep in mind that the fax needs to get converted to the outgoing format so this parsing of the file can be resource intensive for large faxouts. __Hylafax__ * Whats it good for? A unix based faxing solution. Great range of clients (web, email, windows printers, linux command line, java), excellent "self-healing" modem drivers, all sorts of of other features. A fully feature fax server really! Receiving faxes is good too, although I haven't done alot of it, there are nearly as many ways to receive as to send. * What does it suck at? Some things. Not the best for small jobs. Can't beat printing and doing by hand for simple one page faxes. Depending on how far away the fax machine is! Lots of companies prefer printed copies of outgoing faxes anyway. So for smaller jobs I find Hylafax can get passed over. The very newest beta is now fixed so it work with Redhat6.2 without stuffing around with libtiff versions - keep that in mind if you have Redhat 6.2. * I need help with Hylafax! Check the webpage and and mailing list archive - the support is very good, many people use this software. Of course source is available, so you can check that out if you are desperate :) __Mgetty + sendfax__ * Whats it good for? Simple fax server. I haven't had that much experience with it after giving up trying to get it working. You should be able to get it working with windows clients, and a range of other clients. * Whats it suck at? Getting working... um comparitively for the features of Hylafax vs Mgetty + sendfax, it just ain't worth installing I reckon. Depends how many systems you have to install and support. ATM I have about 10 different Hylafax installs around Sydney to look after, sending from 20 - 2000 faxes a month, support is minimal. Mgetty would probably be the same, but the setup for me at least was more difficult for less features. * I need help with Mgetty + sendfax! Dig around on google, theres plenty of info. __Other__ * I have a client who want to use their linux box for faxing from their Windows desktop. I use Hylafax (RH6.x) and WHFC. This seems to be the most popular client config atm. WHFC is pretty nice client, supporting all the faxes queues (in, out, done), a decent printer driver and even ODBC for address books. The cover page creation is a bit tricky with this setup, but its the best you are going to get. Following the steps in the
Re: [SLUG] search and replace
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Tony Cook wrote: Perl has a handy in-place edit feature: perl -i.bak -pe 's/\.org/.com/g' files ... Edit replace save lots of possible ways but Perl saves the day Rodos ;-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debugging is anticipated with distaste, performed with Camion Technology | reluctance, and bragged about forever. [Anon] +61 2 9873 5105 | -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] All this talk about mail formats!
On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 05:03:24PM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote: On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 04:05:46PM +1000, Jeffrey Borg wrote: Hi there (yet again) Now that all of you there have got me interestered in this Maildir format for messages I would like to try it out Of course I need to get some opinions about it first A) pine can be rebuilt to support it? I've been slowly moving from Pine over to Mutt. If you are using a text MUA (Mail User Agent) I'd recommend it. Mutt is far faster, for one thing, than Pine and I never finished my sentence; it also support Maildir too. Anand -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] another idea about this list
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Dave Kempe wrote: Yeah well as I was having my morning shower I had another idea about this list, so it might be really shithouse... but here goes. Why not have the mailing list set the reply address of the list (or even the only address of the list) to one that is retrieved by a perl/php script and parsed into a mysql database? This strikes me as the most powerful way to handle the problem of list archiveing and indexing. Then we can have all the flexibility of a datadriven source to power our list. Then we can make the mailbot script add uniquie ids to the list, have it recognise threads (%age similar subject i spose), easily searchable much more powerful. Only downside is the storage problem i spose :( as in who has the resources to donate to our worthy cause? I'm sure there are many gurus willing to help write a very powerful script... Why not just subscribe an archive user. All mail to that user goes through the web archive program. Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] FAQs about Fax
Hey sluggers, attached is my first draft faxing FAQ. Flame away... FAQs about Fax A Frequently Asked Questions about faxing and linux. For a disclaimer of sorts about this content, see the bottom. No disclaimer on the humour tho :-P Contents Useful URLS at bottom. __General__ * Whats this faxing stuff? Like it or not, faxes have not gone away as a means of communication for many companies and people. There is still somehting about paper, people just can't seem to give it up. Times are changing tho, the rise of email is defintly bitten into the market and mindshare of faxing. Be it for record keeping or for fax spam, people still need faxing... * What options are there? Quite a few, faxing basically is a digital to analogue conversion so many things are possible. As for ones that work, well. Three that I have found for Linux, Hylafax, Mgetty + Sendfax, and just new Fax2Send. My recommendation is for Hylafax due to its maturity and flexibilty and decent Windows clients. For me, Windows clients are a must as Linux isn't making it onto the desktop of most small businesses any time soon. The Linux based client for Hylafax are decent too. Much scripting potential. This also goes for Mgetty. I must admit I only just found Fax2Send and have no experience with it. If any has tried it I;d love to compare notes. Keep in mind that it is not totally free, as opposed to the other two solutions. I have had most experience with Hylafax after checking out its feature set and deciding it was worth it - I have never looked back. * What hardware do I need? A very basic Linux box will handle most faxing tasks very reliably. Not too much RAM, better than 486 etc. A decent modem is probably the biggest requirement, or for more demanding applications, a few or a bank of modems. This is where it is worth spending money on if you want a decent faxing box. In my experience most Rockwell based modems are very good for faxing, all the 56K ones seem to support Class 1 and 2 faxing at least. For example, a Dynalink 56k External (never get PCI/winmodems!!) is autodetected by Hylafax, and the correct command for flow control, fax variable and other stuff are automatically installed. Dynalink are a fairly cheap brand but anything that uses the stock Rockwell chipset should do. For larger things, I know at least Hylafax can support nearly unlimited amounts of modems, I have heard people quote sending thousands of faxes a day on multiple modems and having the whole thing run nicely. Keep in mind that the fax needs to get converted to the outgoing format so this parsing of the file can be resource intensive for large faxouts. __Hylafax__ * Whats it good for? A unix based faxing solution. Great range of clients (web, email, windows printers, linux command line, java), excellent "self-healing" modem drivers, all sorts of of other features. A fully feature fax server really! Receiving faxes is good too, although I haven't done alot of it, there are nearly as many ways to receive as to send. * What does it suck at? Some things. Not the best for small jobs. Can't beat printing and doing by hand for simple one page faxes. Depending on how far away the fax machine is! Lots of companies prefer printed copies of outgoing faxes anyway. So for smaller jobs I find Hylafax can get passed over. The very newest beta is now fixed so it work with Redhat6.2 without stuffing around with libtiff versions - keep that in mind if you have Redhat 6.2. * I need help with Hylafax! Check the webpage and and mailing list archive - the support is very good, many people use this software. Of course source is available, so you can check that out if you are desperate :) __Mgetty + sendfax__ * Whats it good for? Simple fax server. I haven't had that much experience with it after giving up trying to get it working. You should be able to get it working with windows clients, and a range of other clients. * Whats it suck at? Getting working... um comparitively for the features of Hylafax vs Mgetty + sendfax, it just ain't worth installing I reckon. Depends how many systems you have to install and support. ATM I have about 10 different Hylafax installs around Sydney to look after, sending from 20 - 2000 faxes a month, support is minimal. Mgetty would probably be the same, but the setup for me at least was more difficult for less features. * I need help with Mgetty + sendfax! Dig around on google, theres plenty of info. __Other__ * I have a client who want to use their linux box for faxing from their Windows desktop. I use Hylafax (RH6.x) and WHFC. This seems to be the most popular client config atm. WHFC is pretty nice client, supporting all the faxes queues (in, out, done), a decent printer driver and even ODBC for address books. The cover page creation is a bit tricky with this setup, but its the best you are going to get. Following the steps in the tutorial wasn't too hard, and I had a cover page looking very
Re: [SLUG] Hi posters.
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Matt Allen wrote: Now, If we could just write a script that automatically judges an email on Quality of Answer . H ... Thats easy. Some huristics on the amount of new text added. How much of the previous mail was cropped (people who don't crop by default write crap IMHO grin), how many followups the message gets. Then some keyword matches. If you use the words NT and sucks within 5 words you get more points. If you use the words Linux and rules you get lots of points. If you write a haiku then you get heaps of points! If you use the words RedHat and desktop you loose points. I will go away now. Rodos -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgmmng. [Anon] Camion Technology | +61 2 9873 5105 | -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: search and replace
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In vi
:g/\.org\/s//.com/g
\ is a very cool GNU extension, but it isn't what we want in this case as
it'll match a hypothetical www.org-non.com.
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[SLUG] uptimes
[rachel rachel]$ uname -a Linux printq 2.0.34 #1 Fri Aug 28 19:39:04 PDT 1998 mips unknown [rachel rachel]$ uptime 11:24am up 320 days, 22:48, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Q.E.D Rachel Polanskis University of Western Sydney, Nepean Senior UNIX AdminPO Box 10, Kingswood NSW 2747 Systems OperationsInformation Technology Services, Kingswood [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: +61 (0247) 360 291 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: Tools for documentation.
On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Angus Lees wrote: i much prefer: jade -V nochunks blah | w3m -T text/html -dump since w3m does a *much* better job of tables (and accepts stdin) As a regular user of Lynx and lynx -dump I must say that w3m is great. If you have not seen it before check it out. Builds easily and does a great job of rendering pages which have frames and tables, such as http://www.slug.org.au/. Looks like it also does plain text files and will turn email address and URLs into links automatically. Lovely. Linux, a new tool a day. Rodos -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | It is, of course, written in Perl. Translation to C is Camion Technology | left as an exercise for the reader. :-) [Larry Wall] +61 2 9873 5105 | -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: search and replace
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Herbert Xu wrote: On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:05:22PM +1000, Peter Samuel wrote: Sorry, but this still catches www.org.com which is real :) True, but whoever posted the original request is almost certainly NOT the hostmaster for that domain. But he may have a CNAME pointing to it :) Enough. You win! Though my previous solution was also incorrect in that it would catch www.org if you were in the "com." zone. So try this instead, sed 's/\.org\.\([[:blank:]]\|$\)/.com.\1/g' Cool. Requires a GNU sed, if I'm not mistaken. Also requres a file swap. Actually, this is POSIX code. As to the file swap, you can just use this expression in your favourite vi. Although, in that case, your editor would be doing the file swapping :) Cool. Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Re: uptimes
Linux didn't compile properly.. it didn't handle the E+94783 at the end of the counter... I think that part Micro$oft intercepted and written it. thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator Citadel Computer Systems P/L http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au -Original Message- From: Peter Samuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2000 12:07 PM To: George Vieira Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: uptimes On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, George Vieira wrote: Oh please, I can play this game too.. [blah@blahblah]$ uptime 11:53am up 723487254534 days, 14:44, 1 user, load average: -3.00, -23.00, -400.00 Wimp. That's only half the age of the planet. Where are the figures for the first 2 billion years :) Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] We're doing it!
Yeah well as I was having my morning shower I had another idea about this list, so it might be really shithouse... but here goes. NOT shithouse. Chuck and I had the same idea in the shower a few weeks ago. Hmmm... That didn't come out right did it? Anyway... Why not have the mailing list set the reply address of the list (or even the only address of the list) to one that is retrieved by a perl/php script and parsed into a mysql database? We're building it right now. :) This strikes me as the most powerful way to handle the problem of list archiveing and indexing. Then we can have all the flexibility of a datadriven source to power our list. Then we can make the mailbot script add uniquie ids to the list, have it recognise threads (%age similar subject i spose), easily searchable much more powerful. Couldn't have said it better myself. Only downside is the storage problem i spose :( as in who has the resources to donate to our worthy cause? By jove! W have a whole new server all to ourselves! :) And people were asking why we'd bother... ;) I'm sure there are many gurus willing to help write a very powerful script... Hi! :) We're actually doing the proof of concept on this very list (seeings that it's such a good one), initially hosting it here (at our secret underground dungeon). Peter Samuel mentioned subscribing lists to an archiving alias/user, and that's exactly what this will do - so it can be a massive archive. Turns out that this fits in nicely with Zack Brown's work at Linuxcare, so he's interested too! It will of course be GPL'ed, and once version something-or-other is up and running, we'll be asking for more interested developers. Feature requests and ideas to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] uptimes
I know of a bsdi2.0.1 box with an uptime of over 1670 days. its services have long since been decomissioned and it's sole responsibility is to function in a staff morale capacity. Alexander. At 11:25 AM 6/28/00 +1000, Rachel Polanskis wrote: [rachel rachel]$ uname -a Linux printq 2.0.34 #1 Fri Aug 28 19:39:04 PDT 1998 mips unknown [rachel rachel]$ uptime 11:24am up 320 days, 22:48, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -- Alexander Else http://cyberchrist.org -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Hi posters.
Rodos wrote: On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Matt Allen wrote: Now, If we could just write a script that automatically judges an email on Quality of Answer . H ... Some huristics on the amount of new text added. How much of the previous mail was cropped (people who don't crop by default write crap IMHO grin). Then some keyword matches. If you use the words Linux and rules you get lots of points. If you write a haiku then you get heaps of points! [Rodos text heavily edited to favour this post] new text heuristics heaps of points coming my way Linux rules my world If you use the words RedHat and desktop you loose points. If you use the incorrect form of 'lose', you lose points. I will go away now. Me too. Rodos -- f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgmmng. [Anon] This is *real* close to: fuc n rd ths, u cnt. gt a gd jb n cmptr prgmmng. Um, yeah... I think I just lost all my points. Matthew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: search and replace
On 28 Jun 2000, Herbert Xu wrote: Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In vi :g/\.org\/s//.com/g \ is a very cool GNU extension, but it isn't what we want in this case as it'll match a hypothetical www.org-non.com. Picky, picky picky :) I don't think the \ is GNU. It works with vi and grep under Solaris and they are ATT derived rather than GNU. Given that the files are DNS, the .org should be followed by a dot to indicate the end of the TLD or separate the .org from the TLD, try this :g/\.org\./.com./g Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] uptimes
Oh please, I can play this game too.. [blah@blahblah]$ uptime 11:53am up 723487254534 days, 14:44, 1 user, load average: -3.00, -23.00, -400.00 thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator Citadel Computer Systems P/L http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: uptimes
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, George Vieira wrote: Oh please, I can play this game too.. [blah@blahblah]$ uptime 11:53am up 723487254534 days, 14:44, 1 user, load average: -3.00, -23.00, -400.00 Wimp. That's only half the age of the planet. Where are the figures for the first 2 billion years :) Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] uptimes
Well this is my real uptime. Not too bad considering I get alot of program crashes which I have an auto cleanup script and cleans the users mess before it gets worse. This unit is graphic intense as the users love using Xwindows to copy/paste between windows..Oh, and playing marhjongg... Linux-/home/georgev: uptime 1:01pm up 43 days, 16:15, 44 users, load average: 0.28, 0.39, 0.32 thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator Citadel Computer Systems P/L http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au -Original Message- From: Andrew Morton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2000 12:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] uptimes Rachel Polanskis wrote: [rachel rachel]$ uname -a Linux printq 2.0.34 #1 Fri Aug 28 19:39:04 PDT 1998 mips unknown [rachel rachel]$ uptime 11:24am up 320 days, 22:48, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 I can beat that: pwold011:/ uptime 12:50pm up 19 days, 21:49, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 pwold011:/ uname -r 2.4.0-test1-ac10 Now _that_ is a miracle :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: search and replace
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Herbert Xu wrote: On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:49:45AM +1000, Peter Samuel wrote: I don't think the \ is GNU. It works with vi and grep under Solaris and they are ATT derived rather than GNU. Well, what I mean is that it isn't sanctioned by Single Unix. Given that the files are DNS, the .org should be followed by a dot to indicate the end of the TLD or separate the .org from the TLD, try this :g/\.org\./.com./g Sorry, but this still catches www.org.com which is real :) True, but whoever posted the original request is almost certainly NOT the hostmaster for that domain. Though my previous solution was also incorrect in that it would catch www.org if you were in the "com." zone. So try this instead, sed 's/\.org\.\([[:blank:]]\|$\)/.com.\1/g' Cool. Requires a GNU sed, if I'm not mistaken. Also requres a file swap. Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Re: search and replace
On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:49:45AM +1000, Peter Samuel wrote:
I don't think the \ is GNU. It works with vi and grep under Solaris
and they are ATT derived rather than GNU.
Well, what I mean is that it isn't sanctioned by Single Unix.
Given that the files are DNS, the .org should be followed by a dot to
indicate the end of the TLD or separate the .org from the TLD, try
this
:g/\.org\./.com./g
Sorry, but this still catches www.org.com which is real :)
Though my previous solution was also incorrect in that it would catch www.org
if you were in the "com." zone. So try this instead,
sed 's/\.org\.\([[:blank:]]\|$\)/.com.\1/g'
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Re: [SLUG] Tools for documentation.
Michael Lake wrote: And one other thing: changebars. yep - Latex has changebars. Really? Would I be correct in assuming that this is a piece of markup which says "apply a changebar to the next section"? If so, then one still needs external toolchain support to be able to recognise where the doc has changed and to insert the appropriate markup. And to _not_ fill the document with changebars if some metadata is changed, such as doing a global replace on a particular tag. It's an interesting problem. I bet someone's done if for docbook. Although I'm sympathetic to the 'separation of markup and content' philosophy, I do prefer the traditional wysiwyg approach to documentation (Adobe Frame. I've never seen an acceptable technical document done in MSWord). The biggest drawback of the wysiwyg tools is that their outout can't be managed with sensible revision control tools (eg, CVS). So when the Docbook-based toolchain has a decent UI, it'll be a winner. Allegedly, Frame can do Docbook, but I've yet to see a positive report. What's the native format for KWord? XML, I assume. If so, does anyone know anything about its DTD? Koffice is quite amazingly ambitious. Those guys are machines... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Hi posters.
Matthew Dalton wrote: If you use the words RedHat and desktop you loose points. If you use the incorrect form of 'lose', you lose points. I forgot to add - if you correct someones grammar, you lose points. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: FW: [SLUG] uptimes
Problem is now that I have to down the damn thing again to add another drive... DAMN , it's not fair. That is when you wish Linux had a LVM built in ala AIX. (hoping for in kernel 2.4) Then you could have added the disk and all that without rebooting as long as your h/w supports it. -- Aravind -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] uptimes
Rachel Polanskis wrote: [rachel rachel]$ uname -a Linux printq 2.0.34 #1 Fri Aug 28 19:39:04 PDT 1998 mips unknown [rachel rachel]$ uptime 11:24am up 320 days, 22:48, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 I can beat that: pwold011:/ uptime 12:50pm up 19 days, 21:49, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 pwold011:/ uname -r 2.4.0-test1-ac10 Now _that_ is a miracle :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] uptimes
What do you do when waiting interminably on hold? You do useless statistical analysis as follows: The highest rating Win* box on the uptimes.net list is #194, uptime 140 days. Before you see another Win*, there are 6 Macintosh servers on the list!! Macintosh? Hardly famous as servers. The next Win* is win 2000 at #455. For those who care about these things, there are 840 win* boxes registered against 1760 linux, so this is no mere statistical blip. On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Andrew Morton wrote: Rachel Polanskis wrote: [rachel rachel]$ uname -a Linux printq 2.0.34 #1 Fri Aug 28 19:39:04 PDT 1998 mips unknown [rachel rachel]$ uptime 11:24am up 320 days, 22:48, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 I can beat that: pwold011:/ uptime 12:50pm up 19 days, 21:49, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 pwold011:/ uname -r 2.4.0-test1-ac10 Now _that_ is a miracle :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] save to disk
Anyone know how the 'save to disk' function works on a laptop? This is the facility where the data in memory is saved to disk and the computer shuts off - when the computer is restarted, you pick up where you left off. The facility I have (rather, had) on my Compaq laptop was called (something like) Pheonix Bios Save to Disk. This facility worked perfectly when running Linux (and Windows). Because of a file fault, I had to reformat my Win98 partition (/dev/hda1) - as you do - making extra storage space for Linux ;) After doing this, the save to disk function no longer works when using my Linux install on /dev/hda3 (/dev/hda2 is swap). When it was working, I recall it clearly saying something to the effect of it being part of the Pheonix Bios (not software on the disk) but erasing the data on /dev/hda1 seems to have killed it completely. I'm perplexed - if it was in bios, what happened to it? Anyone know how I can re-install it or something similar? Owing to various reasons of patheticness on the part of Compaq tech support, I can't get the original files back (the CD that came with the computer has a factory scratch on it but since it is an overseas model (of which there are equivalents here that would use the same disk), they won't help me get a replacement - can't even buy one). I'll eventually get a new CD (a friend in America has ordered one for me and will ship it to me) but the way the CD works, it wipes the entire disk (not just the Windoze partition) and restores the computer to the original Linux-free setup. If someone wants to use Linux on this machine (and Linux alone without other inferiour operating systems cluttering up the drive), they have to do without the save to disk feature. Hopefully there is a way around this. Any ideas? Thank you, Gregg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
DNS Serial Number Re: [SLUG] search and replace
DO NOT FORGET TO UPDATE THE DNS SERIAL NUMBER! How and why should this be done? (im only running an intranet dns server so yeah*cough*) Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] uptimes
you need to update your kernel girl! geez i cant go two months without bowing to the temptation of possible performance / stability improvements! Dean Rachel Polanskis wrote: [rachel rachel]$ uname -a Linux printq 2.0.34 #1 Fri Aug 28 19:39:04 PDT 1998 mips unknown [rachel rachel]$ uptime 11:24am up 320 days, 22:48, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Q.E.D Rachel Polanskis University of Western Sydney, Nepean Senior UNIX AdminPO Box 10, Kingswood NSW 2747 Systems OperationsInformation Technology Services, Kingswood [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: +61 (0247) 360 291 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: DNS Serial Number Re: [SLUG] search and replace
Right... so by the look of things the serial number is just the date in reverse? eg MMDD ?? Dean Peter Samuel wrote: On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Dean Hamstead wrote: DO NOT FORGET TO UPDATE THE DNS SERIAL NUMBER! How and why should this be done? On the assumption that you are running bind, its config files have a serial number. THat number is used when doing things like zone transfers. If the secondary zone sees that the serial number for the current data is the same as last time, then it doesn't bother to do the transfer because it assumes nothing has changed. So, if you change dns details, you MUST increase the serial number so that your secondaries know that there is new data. There is a much better (and more complete) explanation of all this in the O'Reilly BIND book. Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: DNS Serial Number Re: [SLUG] search and replace
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Dean Hamstead wrote: DO NOT FORGET TO UPDATE THE DNS SERIAL NUMBER! How and why should this be done? On the assumption that you are running bind, its config files have a serial number. THat number is used when doing things like zone transfers. If the secondary zone sees that the serial number for the current data is the same as last time, then it doesn't bother to do the transfer because it assumes nothing has changed. So, if you change dns details, you MUST increase the serial number so that your secondaries know that there is new data. There is a much better (and more complete) explanation of all this in the O'Reilly BIND book. Regards Peter -- Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultantor at present: eServ. Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 2 9206 3410 Fax: +61 2 9281 1301 "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: DNS Serial Number Re: [SLUG] search and replace
Not necessarily. You could use any numbering scheme you wanted. You'd really want more than just the date. You might choose to use the date in reverse, plus tack a couple of digits on the end. Thus, first change for a particular day may have a serial of 262801, and this would be incremented by one each time a change was made that day. Alexander. At 02:07 PM 6/28/00 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote: Right... so by the look of things the serial number is just the date in reverse? eg MMDD ?? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Re: uptimes
My machines' uptimes are too low. I keep putting patches in. :) - Jill. ___ Jill Rowling Senior Design Engineer Unix System Administrator Electronic Engineering Department, Aristocrat Technologies 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018 Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax:(02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: FW: [SLUG] uptimes
Hand up here. ...and this was the last power out: # ssh janus 'uptime' Warning: Remote host denied X11 forwarding. 1:57pm up 56 days, 19 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ...but I can give you this one with the office having been flooded twice during the time: # ssh scout 'uptime' Warning: Remote host denied X11 forwarding. 2:00pm up 172 days, 3:02, 0 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Andrew Macks wrote: Alright alright, now which of you are running from a residential location without power backup? :) Give my 260 days a break :P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] save to disk
Gregg Jorgen Suaning wrote: Anyone know how the 'save to disk' function works on a laptop? This is the facility where the data in memory is saved to disk and the computer shuts off - when the computer is restarted, you pick up where you left off. i've had it on a compaq before. check the compaq web site for the file name that kicks off the save to disk function. basically it makes one big file that it writes the memory to when the computer powers down. this file size can change depending on the memory on your computer. i've only seen it running on windows on a compaq before. i've never had experiance with linux on a laptop. i don't know how it worked on linux! i remember years ago another similar way of doing this. it used to map out part of the hard disk and, to disk utilities like format, it would look like bad areas mapped out unusable on the disk. in fact it was the swap to disk area. anyway check the compaq web site and it will give you the file name and possibly let you download it. again however, i've only seen it as a windows executable. unless compaq and/or phoenix have another way of doing it. in which case look in the bios setup when the computer boots up. on a compaq it's usually press F10 when the little white square starts flashing in the top right corner of the screen sometime after power on. hope this helps Ben -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
[SLUG] Everyone uses explorer (fwd)
This one is a pearler! DaZZa -- Source: THE NET NEWS From Alan Farrelly June 27, 2000 EVERYONE USES EXPLORER Web analysis firm WebSideStory says Microsoft's Internet Explorer is now used by 86% of Internet users, with a measly 14% using Netscape. This is based on data from 50 million visitors a day to umpteen sites, collected using WebSideStory's HitBox analysis technology. Microsoft continues to dominate operating systems, with 93.63% percent of Web users worldwide using a Windows operating system as of June 18, 2000. See http://www.statmarket.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] save to disk
ummm im most certian they are windows only executables, although some of the newer presario laptops have it as part of the phoenix BIOS which i belive is part of the ACPI interface, if you can get this going under linux go or it, but im not too sure if thats possible or not. Stewart Gardiner Technical Support Technician - Consumer Support CompaqCare Centre Compaq Customer Services Compaq Computer Australia Phone: 1300 368 369 Fax:+61 (2) 9022 8200 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Compaq Australia: www.compaq.com.au -Original Message- From: Ben Donohue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 01:58 PM To: Gregg Jorgen Suaning Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] save to disk Gregg Jorgen Suaning wrote: Anyone know how the 'save to disk' function works on a laptop? This is the facility where the data in memory is saved to disk and the computer shuts off - when the computer is restarted, you pick up where you left off. i've had it on a compaq before. check the compaq web site for the file name that kicks off the save to disk function. basically it makes one big file that it writes the memory to when the computer powers down. this file size can change depending on the memory on your computer. i've only seen it running on windows on a compaq before. i've never had experiance with linux on a laptop. i don't know how it worked on linux! i remember years ago another similar way of doing this. it used to map out part of the hard disk and, to disk utilities like format, it would look like bad areas mapped out unusable on the disk. in fact it was the swap to disk area. anyway check the compaq web site and it will give you the file name and possibly let you download it. again however, i've only seen it as a windows executable. unless compaq and/or phoenix have another way of doing it. in which case look in the bios setup when the computer boots up. on a compaq it's usually press F10 when the little white square starts flashing in the top right corner of the screen sometime after power on. hope this helps Ben -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] search and replace
I'm surprised no-one mentioned the ed/vi 'v' command ("except"):
:v/\.org\./s/\.org/.com/
except that it still won't work for other than US domains. Ho hum.
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Jill Rowling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
except that it still won't work for other than US domains. Ho hum.
If it's just Australian domains, it's as easy as adding a "\.au".
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RE: [SLUG] uptimes
My 'uptime' s always report 0 users, even if there are 20 of them. Is it looking for serial lines? Also has anyone had long uptimes on a box which boots with X starting (ie graphical login) ? Mike and I have disabled auto start X on all machines (except the latest) because of X/GUI instabilities. We just login and startx usually. - Jill. ___ Jill Rowling Senior Design Engineer Unix System Administrator Electronic Engineering Department, Aristocrat Technologies 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018 Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax:(02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: George Vieira [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 2:11 PM To: Mail List - SLUG Subject: RE: FW: [SLUG] uptimes Has anybody have large amount of users on?? These 0,1,2 users are a bit low for uptime... my little gateway probably has clocked up a bit but it doesn't mean much if there isn't any users on it. thanks, George Vieira Network Administrator Citadel Computer Systems P/L http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au -Original Message- unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Red Eye removal - automatic script in Gimp ???
Sonam Chauhan wrote: The application is for the camera to pan and follow a laser pointer about in a video-conferening type situation. The PC already has the processing In a video conferencing situation it is usually desirable to minimise camera movement as much as possible to make it easier on the video compression. Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Everyone uses explorer (fwd)
On today's SMH too. http://www.smh.com.au/breaking/0006/27/A36613-2000Jun27.shtml They have termed it a massacre. -- Aravind -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of DaZZa Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2000 14:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Everyone uses explorer (fwd) This one is a pearler! DaZZa -- Source: THE NET NEWS From Alan Farrelly June 27, 2000 EVERYONE USES EXPLORER Web analysis firm WebSideStory says Microsoft's Internet Explorer is now used by 86% of Internet users, with a measly 14% using Netscape. This is based on data from 50 million visitors a day to umpteen sites, collected using WebSideStory's HitBox analysis technology. Microsoft continues to dominate operating systems, with 93.63% percent of Web users worldwide using a Windows operating system as of June 18, 2000. See http://www.statmarket.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Everyone uses explorer (fwd)
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, DaZZa wrote: This one is a pearler! Well well. We Linux advocados have a lot of catching up to do. BTW: Since when is 86% "everyone"? ALSO: Not all "others" use Netscape. If there are 100 Million PC's out there, then 14 MILLION of them are not using Internet Exploiter. Let's issue a new press release: MILLIONS USING NON-MICROSOFT PRODUCTS Simple stats gathering shows that of the gazillions of PC's deployed worldwide, literally millions of them are using non-Microsoft operating systems and products, such a Linux and Netscape. Linux continues to dominate the O/S market in both the 'uptime' and 'reliability' sweepstakes. See also http://justsayno.com/ -rickw EVERYONE USES EXPLORER Yeah, sure ;^) -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] uptimes
Also has anyone had long uptimes on a box which boots with X starting (ie graphical login) ? I had about 20 days on my machine before I took the 2.4.0-test1 plunge - not that 20 days is all that long... gpm with Helixcode Gnome 1.2 (although I have to admit I've restarted X a few times) Mike and I have disabled auto start X on all machines (except the latest) because of X/GUI instabilities. We just login and startx usually. See, this I don't understand. I was chastised by a certain wife of a certain kernel hacker for just this - but I don't get the difference. You're running X or you're running X, right? Quizzical, - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
RE: [SLUG] Everyone uses explorer (fwd)
Which just goes to show that when you bundle it in the lamers will use it and let themselves become the victims of Melissa, ILOVEYOU, Life-Stages, IDD redialers and all the crap that is associated with the product. -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Aravind Naidu wrote: On today's SMH too. http://www.smh.com.au/breaking/0006/27/A36613-2000Jun27.shtml They have termed it a massacre. -- Aravind -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of DaZZa Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2000 14:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Everyone uses explorer (fwd) This one is a pearler! DaZZa -- Source: THE NET NEWS From Alan Farrelly June 27, 2000 EVERYONE USES EXPLORER Web analysis firm WebSideStory says Microsoft's Internet Explorer is now used by 86% of Internet users, with a measly 14% using Netscape. This is based on data from 50 million visitors a day to umpteen sites, collected using WebSideStory's HitBox analysis technology. Microsoft continues to dominate operating systems, with 93.63% percent of Web users worldwide using a Windows operating system as of June 18, 2000. See http://www.statmarket.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Everyone uses explorer (fwd)
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote:
This one is a pearler!
Well well. We Linux advocados have a lot of catching
up to do.
Any bets on where the statistics were taken from? Redmond, maybe?
BTW: Since when is 86% "everyone"?
ALSO: Not all "others" use Netscape.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. As always.
Let's issue a new press release:
MILLIONS USING NON-MICROSOFT PRODUCTS
Simple stats gathering shows that of the gazillions of
PC's deployed worldwide, literally millions of them
are using non-Microsoft operating systems and products,
such a Linux and Netscape. Linux continues to dominate
the O/S market in both the 'uptime' and 'reliability'
sweepstakes. See also http://justsayno.com/
{laughter} Oooher, go for it! I love it! With some of the crap the
mainstream press have been publishing of late, they'd run a mile with it!
DaZZa
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RE: [SLUG] uptimes
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Jill Rowling wrote: Mike and I have disabled auto start X on all machines (except the latest) because of X/GUI instabilities. There are instabilities ? :) My sister's machine starts to kdm.. Welcome to Linux version 2.2.13 at x-files.secret.com.au ! 3:27pm up 64 days, 13:11, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 It also provides 30Gb of storage space via NFS to the network. Have to take it down in a week though to put a 30Gb hard drive in it. Andrew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: FW: [SLUG] uptimes
George Vieira wrote: Has anybody have large amount of users on?? These 0,1,2 users are a bit low for uptime... my little gateway probably has clocked up a bit but it doesn't mean much if there isn't any users on it. We have a P133/64Mb here with ~20 user accounts. It functions primarily as a Web/Mail server also providing access to users home directories via SaMBa (windows clients). Occasionally it assumes the role of a workstation as well, so it runs X with a nice lean fvwm, GNOME is just a little too. 'fickle' for my liking. On a typical day 2-3 users may be logged in at any one time. Its current uptime is only 44 days, but we've had uptimes in the past of over 200 days. without UPS. Regards, Shaun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
Re: [SLUG] Mini-Review: 2.4.0-test*
* Boots faster than any other kernel I've met. Postfix decided not to start because tar segfaulted in its script. This turned out to be a wider problem. Ooops! Forgot to explain the wider problem... tar was stuffed all over, so I installed from sources. Debian users can't live without tar (well, hardly anyone can, but it's especially important for debs). Sources worked okay, but there were a fair few segfaults after that anyway. Not entirely sure way. Perhaps try an ac? ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- w: http://www.slug.org.au/ i: 16341281 (jdub!) q: "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux Users Group Mailing List - http://www.slug.org.au To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in the text
