Re[2]: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Pete McNeil
On Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 10:59:09 AM, Darin wrote:

DC I have an idea.  These problems seem to stem  mostly from changes
DC in the methods of handling rulebase updates.

snip/

DC Would it be feasible to announce in advance when  such changes
DC are to be implemented?  With advance notice of a date and time 
DC for the switch we could choose to freeze our rulebases just before
DC that for a  day to make sure the kinks were worked out before
DC updating.  A few spam  messages that slip through are better than
DC a slough of false positives that  require review and are delayed in 
reaching the customer.

That's a good idea, and we do, in fact, follow that procedure.
Whenever we make any large scale changes we always announce them here
on this list,... we usually also put them on our web site.

There is an error in your comment however... the previous event (with
the rule-bots) was completely unforeseeable. There was no way to
announce that known good software would suddenly fail so spectacularly
when no changes within our control were made.

Thankfully, that kind of event is extremely unlikely also.

It is unfortunate that these two events would happen so closely
together.

_M



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Re: Re[2]: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Darin Cox
There was no error in my comment.  I completely understand that some issues
will not be foreseeable... I did say mostly, not entirely.  The switch to
the automated bots caused a rash of false positives in our system.  I'm not
pointing fingers, but instead want to make sure I have the ability to decide
what risks to take on my end.  While mistakes are always possible... we are
human after all... the more controls we have available to minimize possible
impact, the better.

What I would be looking for is an announcement of a specific date/time for a
cutover so we could freeze just before that, and unfreeze once it was clear
that no glut of false positives would result.

Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: Pete McNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Darin Cox sniffer@SortMonster.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: Re[2]: [sniffer] problems


On Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 10:59:09 AM, Darin wrote:

DC I have an idea. These problems seem to stem  mostly from changes
DC in the methods of handling rulebase updates.

snip/

DC Would it be feasible to announce in advance when  such changes
DC are to be implemented? With advance notice of a date and time
DC for the switch we could choose to freeze our rulebases just before
DC that for a  day to make sure the kinks were worked out before
DC updating. A few spam  messages that slip through are better than
DC a slough of false positives that  require review and are delayed in
reaching the customer.

That's a good idea, and we do, in fact, follow that procedure.
Whenever we make any large scale changes we always announce them here
on this list,... we usually also put them on our web site.

There is an error in your comment however... the previous event (with
the rule-bots) was completely unforeseeable. There was no way to
announce that known good software would suddenly fail so spectacularly
when no changes within our control were made.

Thankfully, that kind of event is extremely unlikely also.

It is unfortunate that these two events would happen so closely
together.

_M



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Re: Re[2]: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Filippo Palmili


What is the correct Sniffer string in Declude Global.cfg
file.
SNIFFER external nonzero d:\imail\declude\sniffer\sniffer.exe
code12
0
of
SNIFFER external nonzero d:\imail\declude\sniffer\sniffer.exe
code10
0
Thanks
Filippo



Re[2]: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Pete McNeil
On Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 11:06:07 AM, Markus wrote:

MG If a experimental rule showed to be reliable they move them  in
MG the appropriate category (rich, fraud,...)
MG  
MG  
MG  
MG I'm not sure about this but I think it's so and so it  shouldn't
MG be necessary to do something like manualy block  updates.

This is not how it works.

Experimental rule groups contain abstract rules that may not
classify a particular type of message. Indeed, even rules that are
coded to more specific groups will likely match messages that are
outside of those categories because the blackhats frequently re-use
domains and other features in many different campaigns.

For example, the current chatty drugs, chatty loans, and chatty
watches campaigns all tend to share the same domains in their links.

Along the lines of delaying implementation of new rules, we can
configure rulebases and rule groups within them to only accept rules
with a specific minimum age in days. We might have to charge for this
kind of custom modification, and it would by it's nature increase spam
leakage.

_M



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