Re: [RCSE] Nats News...
The days of entry level ships in RES has been over since day one. Any time there is a competitive event with only a limited restriction on the plane (one-design is an example of a restricted event) the event will quickly progress to a more money, more experience event and it should. I do not condone restriction on the plane development but for the entry level people out there so believe that ranking the pilot is the only way to go. I think we all know who the top 10 or 20 are in the country in TD and in a 6 to 10 round event (as RES and NOS should be) those 10 guys will always be in the top 10. I think we all know that but compete just to see how close we can come to the masters. BTW, if you want to compete with old technology, fly NOS but even here the experts will always win over enough rounds so again its the pilot, not the plane (within reason). Bacus, I was out Wednesday with the RESQ I picked up from Ben in Louisville and because it was a rare calm day in Michigan kept thinking how easy this was compared to the moldies. Took the E4 out for practice and got tense all over again. If I could land the RESQ I would probably do better in UNL than with the moldies especially if the thermals are way out there (the eyes are going and the moldies are hard for me to see). I guess what I am trying to say is that RES takes some of the load off the pilot and as you get older, this is not a bad thing. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats News... --- James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder why all these strong pilots fly RES, and why its popularity is growing? Dunno, Jim, but I'm glad to see it. Maybe it's esthetic -- there's something about the look of a bent-wing plane, especially one you can see through. I expect the commercial availability of the Ava to spur a mini-boom in RES. It's a wonderful plane to fly for sport or competition, different in so many ways from wooden planes of yesteryear. Perhaps more thin-wing, carbon-spar RES planes will evolve -- that would be cool. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Nats News...
At 12:21 PM 7/11/2003, Jack Iafret wrote: Bacus, I was out Wednesday with the RESQ I picked up from Ben in Louisville and because it was a rare calm day in Michigan kept thinking how easy this was compared to the moldies. Took the E4 out for practice and got tense all over again. If I could land the RESQ I would probably do better in UNL than with the moldies especially if the thermals are way out there (the eyes are going and the moldies are hard for me to see). I guess what I am trying to say is that RES takes some of the load off the pilot and as you get older, this is not a bad thing. I think there are some very nice RES ships out there, and I have one that I am considering flying in F3J because I think I could hit FAI landings with just a spoiler on this model. (And I think it would make a killer light air ship) BTW, I donated a RES-Q to the Nats raffle this year, some lucky Nats worker will win a very nice RES model this year. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Nats News...
At 10:57 AM 7/11/2003 -0500, James V. Bacus wrote: I wonder why all these strong pilots fly RES, and why it's popularity is growing? Jim, I dunno I think its because its another chance to compete. And lets remember that RES is unlimited in wingspan so you don't have to be as quick to find lift off of launch as you do with 2meter, nor do you have to fly as well to get hang time. Some guys value these attributes. Just to be contrary, I don't really see any hi-tech RES ships out there. Sure some are made of fiberglass and carbon but I don't think that buys you very much. These materials are no longer uncommon or hard to obtain. A good spar on a built up will keep you in the game if you are adept and practiced at flying it. The real leveling factor is that you can only have rudder, elevator and spoiler controls. That means fewer servos and that a 4 channel radio can do the job. How hi-tech can a plane be if you don't need a computer radio to fly it? ;-) It appears to me to be a nice step up for new guys who want to move up from their initial 2meter ships without jumping directly into a computer radio and all those additional control surfaces and mixing nightmares. It is also an inexpensive long wing 2nd ship for backup for the primary unlimited ship. As for competition, I don't see how we could rationally get much simpler than RES unless we promulgated a single design ship. Nostalgia doesn't even level the competition playing field that much since even in nostalgia wing span and designs vary greatly. And for those of us who took up RC soaring after 1990, nostalgia is kind of a mystery. Those are just old airplanes to us. Just some rambling thoughts Rick RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Nats News...
At 12:30 PM 7/11/2003, Rick Eckel wrote: Just to be contrary, I don't really see any hi-tech RES ships out there. The Bubble Dancer and its side kick the AVA are good examples of high tech RES in my mind. Not only for the construction techniques, but the entire design of these models are quite interesting. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] RES
I wonder why all these strong pilots fly RES, and why it's popularity is growing? ...I dunno I think its because its another chance to compete. Dudes, I'm a sloper. Yet, even I find pleasure in thermaling a polyhedral! I consider thermal and polyhedral to be almost synonymous. What looks sweeter than a Paragon cranked into a thermal? Or, a GL? Sure they won't do 50MPH to the next thermal. But, they just LOOK RIGHT. And I love the way they wrap. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Nats News...
Look Again, Joe Wurts and Larry Jolly are coming.. At 09:56 AM 7/11/2003 -0400, Jack Iafret wrote: Just checked it out. From the quick scan I did it looks like Don Richmond is the only person west of the Mississippi other than Clark from Japan. I do not know about the ones from Canada, could be either side of the big muddy. So for all practical purposes this will be the east side NATs. If the west side guys have a NATs of their own (??) maybe we could have a fly-off in the middle of the Mississippi with float equipped sailplanes : ). Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: [RCSE] Nats News... Hey Fellas, Just a note to let you know that the final Competitors list is now on the LSF Site. http://www.silentflight.org/NATS2003/Register.html I have updated the Donors site as well.. http://www.silentflight.org/NATS2003/donor2003.htm Please take a look, and support these guys with your next purchase. We are still really really lite on stuff, If you can please help us out. The NATs Planning team team is ready to go, and we even have some new Blood. The flight Matrix is finished up, and ready to go. A BIG THANKS to ED Franz (Registration) ; Sheldon Smith (Matrix); Steve Meyer (Scoring), Marna Jefferies (Call up) , Mike McGowan (Landing Task) and CAL Posathuma ( grumpy ol, Fart) for their hard work in this years effort to promote our hobby to you in the form of the 2003 LSF / AMA Soaring Nationals. I was out to Muncie, last weekend, it was not as wet as it is now.. I hope we get no more rain in the area, for the next 2 weeks. Randa Coats (AMA) has the banquet hall lined up and in order. Got to watch Steve Kaluf fly beginner HelicopterHe needs to come back to gliders !!! There is already talk of revamping next years schedule to put RES Main line., so it can be worked into the Dan Pruss award and a possibility of moving UNL closer to the FAI events..works for me, how about you? I could use some pictures of the nats from your camera, Electronic would be nice, if you think about it. Don't forget to check in at event HQ when you first get on site...Thats the old farm house on the SE end of the site. If you got a hotel, don't forget to ask for the AMA discount. a list is on the AMA site. I am looking forward to a week of hot fun in tha sun in Moun'sae !! as the wife puts it.. 8-) J Jack Strother LSF President Loveland, OHLSF 2948 LSF Level IV (ALMOST V) CSS Silver http://www.silentflight.org Automation Consultant RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Jack Strother LSF President Loveland, OHLSF 2948 LSF Level IV (ALMOST V) CSS Silver 2003 LSF/AMA Soaring Nationals Event Director http://www.silentflight.org Automation Consultant LOL RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Nats News...
--- Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I was out Wednesday with the RESQ I picked up from Ben in Louisville and because it was a rare calm day in Michigan kept thinking how easy this was compared to the moldies. Took the E4 out for practice and got tense all over again. If I could land the RESQ I would probably do better in UNL than with the moldies... That illustrates what I was saying about the Ava. The light moments and huge spoiler produce a really excellent landing machine, much different from the RES experience most of us are used to. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: FS: Lots of slope planes! More gone.
Psychos are now gone too. The culled list below shows what is still available. -- Greg From: Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 08:31:33 -0500 To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] FS: Lots of slope planes! Slope planes for sale: Shipping will be quoted based on your location. Wizard Compact 2 C-93 Excellent shape. Flown about 12 times. Slight scuffing on the nosecone paint. Great looking silver, red and black McLaren paint scheme. Multiplex Speed Digis on the ailerons Volz Micro Maxx X on the flaps JR DS-368s in the fuse Hoopes Harness $1300 Jaro Mueller Ellipse 3CAM Great shape with some very minor hangar rash on the tail and one wing tip had minor damage that was repaired. Both carbon and steel joiners included White tops with pink bottoms. Volz Micro-Maxx and Micro-Maxx-X in the wing JR-341s in the fuse. $825 Opus V DS This is the special strong layup specified by Espen Torp. The plane has only been flown half a dozen times, is trimmed perfectly, and looks new. Man, is it fast! HS-85Mgs in the wing HS-85s in the fuse Gary Legerton¹s finish/pallet kit Hoopes Harness $850 Opus V DS - 2 left This is the special strong layup specified by Espen Torp. Same as above but these are brand new and ready for radio installation! See the in stock planes at: http://www.slopeflyer.com/artman/publish/article_292.shtml $590 Combat Wings XL - New in the box * Wide Chord EPP Wing w/pre-drilledspar slot, Carbon Fiber Spar * Wing Span: 48² * Weight: 19-21 oz. * Coroplast Wing Tips * Balsa Elevons * Metal Clevises * Control Horns * 2-56 Control Rods * Instructions $65 Combat Wings XR - New in the box * EPP Wing w/pre-drilled spar slot,Carbon Fiber Spar * Wing Span: 48 * Weight: 15-18 oz. * Coroplast Wing Tips * Balsa Elevons * Metal Clevises * Control Horns * 2-56 Control Rods * Instructions $50 Airtech Pixel Kit - New in the box * obechi wings and V tails * white epoxy fuselage with kevlarreinforcement * carbon canopy * the wing panels are suppliedready-made, with leading edges fitted and sanded and joiner tubeinstalled. * accessories * Almost Ready to Cover $189 Airtech Feugo - New in the box 60-inch slope plane * Aileron, rudder and elevator. * 7012 airfoil * Epoxyfuselage with carbon/kevlar reinforcement * carboncanopy * obechiwings * leadingedge sanded * livehinges * Thewings also feature machined servo wells * balsa V tails $199 Thanks for looking, -- Greg Smith Slope Soaring Resource http://www.slopeflyer.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
