[RCSE] JoJo is still coming to the Nats!
Ok yesterday I thanked Polk`s. Today it is a big thanks to all that are chipping in to help with expenses. Maybe it might just happen that I am there. And btw.. Yes I can be kind of "Gordy like" annoying But I love you all...:-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojowww.grini.no
[RCSE] Thanks CASL
As has become a February tradition, I wish to thank CASL, Darwin, Mark, and all those good guys and gals who ran the contest and activities. Got to spend the day with my Mom on Friday and then had two great days of flying after having a hell of a lot of off time from a really crappy winter here in the midwest. After not getting to fly since November it felt so good to stretch the wings. That first round had some rust on it, but all the things that needed to work did and in the end I was happy with my outcome in Queen Creek. It was great to see friends from the west and the OVSS crowd had a good showing. Thanks again and we will be looking forward to seeing alot of you folks in Muncie for the Nats. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] UPDATE: SWC Scores and Pictures
Was looking over the scores posted last evening as an update to the SWC and am kind of interested how this changed from the original scores that we saw at the field, which was a cursory viewing for sure, and from what was up last night here. What has changed? Just interested... - Original Message - From: Joe Nave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [RCSE] UPDATE: SWC Scores and Pictures Vern Poehls/CASL was nice enough to forward me the detailed scores - I posted them on www.rcsoaring.com Thanks again CASL! Looking for pictures (or video)! ;) Joe - Original Message - From: Joe Nave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: SWC Scores and Pictures Congratulations to the winners! Scores are online at www.rcsoaring.com If anyone would like to share pictures they took, please contact me, as I would like to post them on the site for all to enjoy. Thanks, Joe == Joe Nave NetMeister, Inc. InterNetwork Design Integration 1146 N. Central Avenue #112 Glendale, CA 91202 - 818.247.5340 Fax 818.247.5073 == What do you want to network today? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Kudos to CASL
If you missed it, you shouldn't have. The SWC was a great contest this year. The CASL team did an excellent job organizing and running the event. They had obviously done a lot of thinking about the field setup and the landings and were prepared for just about any wind direction. They swapped the landing zones once to avoid a severe downwind and most of the launches were at least cross wind, if not upwind. The equipment worked very well and the staff was very fast with line breaks and the few equipment issues. The landing task was a graduated tape marked visually with some paint and a bonus box worth 5 points if you wound up a little short of the circle but still on line. The scores were posted very promptly. Darwin and the staff ran a tight ship and kept things moving, but the atmosphere was very relaxed. They had a one pop-off per day rule which I am sure saved some pilots from serious disappointment. While I didn't have to use any, it sure sucks to travel 1000+ miles and have a weird popoff kill the event for you. This is very generous. The raffle was great with tremendous contributions by the vendors and sponsors. I'm sure Darwin will post a complete list of supporters later. The flying was challenging at times, not (as Jim Bacus once called it) Helen Keller air. Even with the add-em-up many pilots failed to get their times. The last round was really the killer though. There were vicious cycles of sink rolling thru with a little lift in between. As always - the top 30+ guys got their times and for them it was all about landings - and Daryl was in the zone - the landing zone. Daryl had 101 landing points and his next closest competitor was Skip Miller with 88 points (with his RES bird...). I didn't see it, but rumor has it that the only landing Daryl zeroed was one where he broke the nose off his plane on landing... That was great landing for the conditions. As always - the RMSA team will be back next year to try again to displace the Pismo Beach team. Our 4 guys in the top 12 just did not cut it... :) Oh well - another excuse to go back next year! Thanks CASL... Jim Jim Monaco President - Rocky Mountain Soaring Association Denver, CO http://www.rmsadenver.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS RES Compulsion FS01 Airfoil
Hi Guys, I have a Compulsion FS01 RES Plane for Sale. The fuse and wings are white with red built-up tails. The plane includes a MPX mcV2 Digital Servo on elevator, Hitec HS85MG on rudder and Hitec HS60's on the spoilers. This is the plane that UPS broke for me the last time I tried selling it. The damage has all been structurally repaired and is very serviceable. I would like to get $400.00 or best offer plus shipping. I can send pictures of the damage prior to repair, the repair and the finished product. Please email me direct if you are interested in the plane. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS Ps, I will also include bagged rudder and stabs that came with the original Compulsion. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] SLNT Contest Schedule
The DARTS sanction all their big contests, don't for the club contests, the smaller events. We do however require AMA for all fliers and events - club members present that to get their membership, new fliers need to prove their AMA status before contests. For us, it's part of our deal with the Parks Dept - their insurance would never support us flying without us managing who was flying at the field. Anything that puts the field at risk is just too big a risk for us. Brent. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The perfect platform or Not....
Wing design is very complex. Folks make careers out of doing it. I'd suggest getting a copy of a spreadsheet written by John Hazel called something like Liftroll. It's a good way to play with the basic aspects and make reasonable choices of span, twist and chord. The basic principles are consistent local Cl's across the span with an elliptical distribution of lift across the span to minimize induced drag. If you can't find John's spreadsheet, I can forward either the simpler earlier version or a more involved later version. If I can figure out how, I could just put it on my website. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA p.s.. Don't sweat the tips. The most important thing about tips is simply the distance between them. - Phil Lontz RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Wing Sox
Save those expensive wings from hanger rash Wing Sox are now available for any variety of planes. Three panel sets are available for the Topaz, AVA, Sharon, Thermik, Mantis, Pike and Icon. Two panel sets are available for planes like the Emerald, Psyko, Millennium, Addiction/Compulsion, etc. Sox are also available to cover the fuse and rudder with an extra pouch sown onto the wing panel for the stabs very cool. Custom Wing Sox can be made to order just ask. Here is a web site to see some examples with contact information: http://www.wingsox.com/wingsocks. Best, Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] SWC Scores By Rouud
Joe Nave has done a real nice set of graphs showing the distribution of times by flight group with one graph for each round. Its very interesting. Here is the link: http://www.rcsoaring.com/scores/05casldetails/05casldetails.htm Thanks for the work Joe, Hank Schorz ** Henry P. Schorz Executive Vice President - Chief Scientist ACT Litigation Services 27200 tourney Road Suite 450 Valencia, Ca 91355 PH: (661) 284-6401 x232 FX: (661) 284-7654 ** Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments may be legally privileged and confidential. If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and permanently delete the e-mail and any attachments immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this e-mail or any attachment for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of the contents to any other person. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
[RCSE] SWC Scores By Round, interesting to see which groups got...
...hosed ! :-) It sort of shows the thermal cycles for each day. What will be awesome is to see what a Man on Man contest would look like in comparison. Thanks Joe! Great stuff! Gordy now if we can get a listing of the sailplanes flown :-)
[RCSE] Thanks CASL
Thanks to the group from CASL for a real nice contest. Special thanks to Darwin for his usual teriffic and professional job. ** Henry P. Schorz Executive Vice President - Chief Scientist ACT Litigation Services 27200 tourney Road Suite 450 Valencia, Ca 91355 PH: (661) 284-6401 x232 FX: (661) 284-7654 ** Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments may be legally privileged and confidential. If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and permanently delete the e-mail and any attachments immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this e-mail or any attachment for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of the contents to any other person. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
[RCSE] Hitec Digi Servo burn out!
Hi All I'm building a HM Ventus 2ax 5 m model sailplane. I've used Hitec digi servos thought. HS-5245MG digi Mini HS 5125 MG Digi thin wing servos. What I've noticed is they burn out very easily.. What's up I haven't gotten my plane in the air yet andI've burned up 5 of the servos already! What burned out so far... 1. rudder servo; on a pull pull system HS-5245 MG Digi ( to tight ) my fault... Non Digi now. 1.Tip aileron HS-5245 MG Digi servo. 2. Flap servos HS-5125 Thin Wing Digi servo. 1. Spoiler servo HS-5245 MG Digi servo. None of my surface's are tight! 5cell battery pack. Should I be concerned??? Is this normal??? Could it be too much throw? I like that Hitec replaces then without a questions, But. I've never had this happen with non Digi servo before.. So let me know if this is happing to others out there. Cheers AL Albert E. Wedworth ( AL ) ERA Capshaw RealestateREALTOR- ASSOCIATECell 530-228-9445Fax 530-343-1715 BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Wedworth FN:Wedworth ORG:ERA Capshaw Reality TITLE:Realtor TEL;WORK;VOICE:530-342-2809 TEL;WORK;FAX:530-343-1715 ADR;WORK:;530-228-9445;60 Independence Circle #200;Chico,;CA;95973 LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:530-228-9445=0D=0A60 Independence Circle #200=0D=0AChico,, CA 95973 URL;WORK:http://www.capshawrealty.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20050208T172435Z END:VCARD No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005
Re: [RCSE] UPDATE: SWC Scores and Pictures
Marc et. al., It seems that there were some numerical matters in the original scores... ;) Joe - Original Message - From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe Nave [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] UPDATE: SWC Scores and Pictures Was looking over the scores posted last evening as an update to the SWC and am kind of interested how this changed from the original scores that we saw at the field, which was a cursory viewing for sure, and from what was up last night here. What has changed? Just interested... - Original Message - From: Joe Nave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [RCSE] UPDATE: SWC Scores and Pictures Vern Poehls/CASL was nice enough to forward me the detailed scores - I posted them on www.rcsoaring.com Thanks again CASL! Looking for pictures (or video)! ;) Joe - Original Message - From: Joe Nave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: SWC Scores and Pictures Congratulations to the winners! Scores are online at www.rcsoaring.com If anyone would like to share pictures they took, please contact me, as I would like to post them on the site for all to enjoy. Thanks, Joe == Joe Nave NetMeister, Inc. InterNetwork Design Integration 1146 N. Central Avenue #112 Glendale, CA 91202 - 818.247.5340 Fax 818.247.5073 == What do you want to network today? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] SWC Scores By Rouud
So are these thefinal, final scores,,, and what is with scoring errors on big contests lately? I wasn't there just want to knowwho were therealwinners. joe - Original Message - From: Hank Schorz To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: [RCSE] SWC Scores By Rouud Joe Nave has done a real nice set of graphs showing the distribution of times by flight group with one graph for each round. Its very interesting. Here is the link: http://www.rcsoaring.com/scores/05casldetails/05casldetails.htm Thanks for the work Joe, Hank Schorz ** Henry P. Schorz Executive Vice President - Chief Scientist ACT Litigation Services 27200 tourney Road Suite 450 Valencia, Ca 91355 PH: (661) 284-6401 x232 FX: (661) 284-7654 ** Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments may be legally privileged and confidential. If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and permanently delete the e-mail and any attachments immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this e-mail or any attachment for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of the contents to any other person. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
[RCSE] Paging Joe Prohuska?
Send me an email, my filter ate your first attempt! Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thanks CASL!
Oh and on this subject, I would like to add that while perusing the score sheet after day one, I was going down the placings and kind of speaking the names loud enough to be heard. There was this guy with a camera taking pictures of the scoreboard with his significant other behind me. I spoke Daryl, John Fruge - whoever that is, Me, etc. and low and behold, it was John right behind me that said, that's me One of those foot in mouth moments I thought I would share. Great job by the way John. Hope to see you and your nephew out at other contests throughout the year. Mike smith At 11:49 AM 2/7/2005, John Fruge wrote: I wanted to also thank CASL for a great event! This was my nephew Perry (age 11) and my first TD contest. (Other than our small local MRCC monthly contests.) It was a rollercoaster event for me. It started off bad when eating on the way out of town on Thursday I got food poisoning. (10 hours later about an hour out of Phoenix. ) I found myself stopped on the side of the 10 freeway lying on the rocks wanting to throw up and crap my pants at the same time. Lucky for me it was 11pm and the cool air did me some good and 10 minutes later we trekked on to the hotel. I want to thank my girlfriend Jennifer for driving the last 8 hours of the trip in. The high light of the event for me was after a great first day I was 2nd place on the score sheet. Knowing it would not last I did not loose much sleep over it. I did not make any good landings the 2nd day and missed my time on the last round by 4 minutes and ended up in 61st place. Perry did quite well. My choice of plane for him was not the best and he did great with what he had. On the way back up on this rollercoaster weekend we ended up doing great on the raffle. I just want to say thanks again for a great event. Everyone we talked with was very helpful and nice. We hope to be back next year. John Perry Fruge From: Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/02/07 Mon PM 05:57:08 GMT To: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Thanks CASL! I too would like to express my gratitude to the CASL club for hosting another fine event. I had a great time, and am looking forward to next year's contest. By the way, the new retrievers seemed to work very well. Nice work guys. It was very nice to see some of the midwest glider guiders come out of the cold to have some fun. Steve Siebenauler (sp?), Mark Gellart, and ah rats I can't remember his name, flying the pretty manits... :) Just a few of the guys that I met at last year's Nats. There were others too, but unfortunately, my memory is full of too much non-essential info to recall their names. See you all soon I hope. Mike At 08:05 PM 2/6/2005, Daryl Perkins wrote: Thanks to all for a great time! Darwin and crew run an efficient, yet relaxed contest. The air was challenging at times, making for a slightly thermal oriented event. Many of the top ten fell out in the last 8 minute round, shaking the scores up a bit. I think Edgar had me prior to the last round. Don't ask me who finished where I have no idea. I flew pretty well though. ;-) I flew an Insanity 3.7. 2nd place Mike Smith flew a Sharon 3.7. Hm... starting to see a theme here... ;-) Thanks to all the hard workers at CASL. I had a great time. And it was great to see so many old friends. They make me remember what this soaring thing is really all about. D __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Copying Designs/Plans
Wow!!! MY APPOLOGIES JIM! I thought you were defending the no harm no foul crowd. I seem to have a harder time following the threads in RCSE as a guest than I do on RCGroups.com. Sooo.. I guess to Bill and Simon YOU steal it you deserve to be punished in every since of the copyright laws that you have broken. It plan and simple. If YOU didnt design it, compose it, write it or invent it, IT ISNT YOURS TO DISTRIBUTE, SELL or GIVE AWAY!!! Duhh! You wouldnt mind if I just tell everyone that they can use your car and give aways sets of keys do you? How's your cell phone working? got any minutes I can re-sell to some of my buddies? Im sure you wont mind fronting the credit rating and paying the bills for someone elses talking. Would you? Maybe you guys are just really really nice folks that want to supply the rest of the world with free access to everything! Greg -- fly1milehi fly1milehi's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=47296 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=331663 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] SWC Thanks and Congratulations
This is simply a great contest... Even when the TSA tries to take the tail off of your airplane on the way, then the automatic door on the minivan tries to finish the job! I had a great time out there again flying against all (most) of the big names from the Western US... we missed you this year Joe! We're all a bit jetlagged and tired but it's a hell of a way to kick off the contest season after three or four months of overcast, snow, ice, and cold. The rust comes off quick when you realize that every landing you miss drops you 30 places in the standings! Great flying Daryl and Mike. The conditions were much more challenging than last year and these guys just pegged it as usual. This was the first time I can remember slipping a pound of ballast in an airframe at 7:30 in the morning. ... and the usual (but well deserved) thanks to the CASL crew. They ran a great contest at a great soaring site once again! Tom Siler (Only Pretty Mantis West of the Missippi last weekend) Columbus, OH RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Wrong person
Hey Jim,,, Sorry about that.. I posted in the other thread with my appology to you. I dont quite understand why there always seems to be a newer thread on an old subject in RCSE. It works to just continue to add more posts to the same thread on RC Groups but that doesnt seem to hold true on the RCSE threads.. Again my appology to you, as my intent was to tell those who think the copyright symbol on text, music, plans, or anything else they want is a meaningless symbol of inconvenience to them! Greg -- fly1milehi fly1milehi's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=47296 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=332437 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Southwest Classic
So this issue doesn't grow a head of its own, there were some final round scoring issues. Apparently a couple of landing scores were not entered which scrambled a few places. They have been corrected and those affected will be contacted. As a point of interest utilizing some round numbers lets say that 150 pilots posted scores. That is 300 points of entry each round (time and landing). We flew 7 rounds, for nearly 2100 points of entry for the contest. Darwin N. Barrie CD Southwest Classic Chandler AZ
Re: [RCSE] The perfect platform or Not....
If you can't find John's spreadsheet, I can forward either the simpler earlier version or a more involved later version. If I can figure out how, I could just put it on my website. Sorry to intrude upon someone else's conversation here, but I was not aware there was a more involved later version. Which version would that be? Is it LiftDrag or is there a later version of the old LiftRoll? Thanks. RVC RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Hitec Digi Servo burn out! - not....
At 09:24 AM 2/8/05 -0800, Albert E. Wedworth wrote: Hi All I'm building a HM Ventus 2ax 5 m model sailplane. I've used Hitec digi servos thought. HS-5245MG digi Mini HS 5125 MG Digi thin wing servos. What I've noticed is they burn out very easily.. What's up I haven't gotten my plane in the air yet and I've burned up 5 of the servos already! What burned out so far... 1. rudder servo; on a pull pull system HS-5245 MG Digi ( to tight ) my fault... Non Digi now. 1.Tip aileron HS-5245 MG Digi servo. 2. Flap servos HS-5125 Thin Wing Digi servo. 1. Spoiler servo HS-5245 MG Digi servo. None of my surface's are tight! 5 cell battery pack. Should I be concerned??? Is this normal??? Could it be too much throw? I like that Hitec replaces then without a questions, But. I've never had this happen with non Digi servo before.. So let me know if this is happing to others out there. Cheers AL Albert E. Wedworth ( AL ) Hi Al, I've had quite the opposite experience with the Hitec HS-5245 servos. I've got three electric helis in the .38 size with 550mm blades running HS-5245s in eCCPM mode and they have worked flawlessly. I've also used them in gliders on flaps and elevators with perfect centering and no drift due to temperature excursions. They are not quite to the quality level of the JR DS3421, but they are pretty good, nonetheless. What gauge of wire are you using for the power and ground runs to these servos? Insufficient wire gauge or lousy connections/connectors can yield significant IR losses (this is part of Ohm's law with I=current and R=Resistance) resulting in major voltage drops at the servos. Many analog servos will continue to work during a major voltage drop, but with much lower torque and slower transit speed, while the digital servo's internal microcontroller will often reset during such a voltage drop. You can chase down the problem by monitoring the voltage AT THE SERVO while running the surfaces through their paces. Alternatively, you can attach a battery minder such at SkyKing's Lost Model Locator (http://www.skykingrcproducts.com/accessories/lostmodel/lost_rc_model_alarm.html) in line with the servo. The finder is fast enough to respond quickly with a low voltage condition (I should know, I designed the product for SkyKing). A quick beep or prolonged beep, will indicate a voltage drop due to the IR loss. I also know where to get some really dependable wiring harnesses built to commercial specs, with commercial equipment ;-), but you already knew that. Remember that the instantaneous current demands seen with a digital servos are often much higher than their analog counterparts, thus the IR losses become even more apparent with digital servos. There is no free lunch. Tom Hoopes - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Hoopes Designs - Taking the hassle out of wing wiring harnesses http://www.hoopesdesigns.com
Re: [RCSE] Re: Copying Designs/Plans
Once again, like a ruddy bull in a china shop... Not sure which or what Bill you are refering to, but YOU should first read what people (including me) actually wrote! I will (patiently) wait for your apology as well... To recap for the hard of reading; Copyright is NOT what we were discussing, however one poster chose to muddy the waters by inserting the idea in the original thread regarding patent infringement. THAT is the reason I changed the thread title! Apparent(!) patent infringement is what Lockheed Martin (the example in the original thread) is using to thwart those who wish to offer radio control models, AND static (plastic) models that look similar to what they built (like the F-104, U2, etc). Tom was gracious enough to point out the significant differences between copyright and patent, go read his email too. If readers projected just a smiggen of such wasted energy towards the appropriate targets (like bad government, Lockheed Martin) as they do towards fellow posters, we would be living in Valhalla... Quoting fly1milehi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wow!!! MY APPOLOGIES JIM! I thought you were defending the no harm no foul crowd. I seem to have a harder time following the threads in RCSE as a guest than I do on RCGroups.com. Sooo.. I guess to Bill and Simon YOU steal it you deserve to be punished in every since of the copyright laws that you have broken. It plan and simple. If YOU didnt design it, compose it, write it or invent it, IT ISNT YOURS TO DISTRIBUTE, SELL or GIVE AWAY!!! Duhh! You wouldnt mind if I just tell everyone that they can use your car and give aways sets of keys do you? How's your cell phone working? got any minutes I can re-sell to some of my buddies? Im sure you wont mind fronting the credit rating and paying the bills for someone elses talking. Would you? Maybe you guys are just really really nice folks that want to supply the rest of the world with free access to everything! Greg -- fly1milehi fly1milehi's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=47296 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=331663 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The perfect platform or Not....
Wing design is very complex. Folks make careers out of doing it. I hadn't noticed ;-) I'd suggest getting a copy of a spreadsheet written by John Hazel called something like Liftroll. It's a good way to play with the basic aspects and make reasonable choices of span, twist and chord. The basic principles are consistent local Cl's across the span with an elliptical distribution of lift across the span to minimize induced drag. I've played with LiftRoll, but a couple of things escape me I can adjust the planform twist to get eliptical lift distribution at one AOA It is then off at a different AOA. (as expected for a rectangular platform) So how do I convert this non-eliptical lift distribution to a drag number for comparison. I can use LiftRoll to adjust twist to make it look like an elipse or not, but how do I generate the comparison number from my origional post, IE wing 1 will have min sink of 1 fps and wing 2 will have minimum sink of X fps? Paul In General: Min sink is when (Cl ^(2/3) /Cd) is maximized. How do I use LiftRoll to get a wing Cd, Cl given a polar Cl, Cd? In LiftRoll is av/mx Cl the Cl I want to optimize for? How do I go about guessing an AOA? (Again from the airfoil polar? ) If you can't find John's spreadsheet, I can forward either the simpler earlier version or a more involved later version. If I can figure out how, I could just put it on my website. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: [soaring] harbor freight vaacum pump, any use?
Tord Eriksson wrote: On Sunday 06 February 2005 15.54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just my gut feeling: Yes, yes, yes! But add a vacuum switch, of course! ... and an airtank to act as a vauum resevoir so the pump doesn't have to run continuously. FWIW, I recently updated my page on adding an electronic vacuum switch by making it simpler via using a solid-state relay (I got three new-in-box 25 Amp ones for $20 USD from an Ebay auction). My mechanical switch page needs an update too (gonna simplify it for the electronics shy), but it works; I used it before I bought a pair of digital electronic switches from Ebay. http://isoar.ca/~andrewm/rc/vacswitch/ -- Andrew E. Mileski Ottawa, Canada RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Copying Designs/Plans
On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:38:35AM -0800, Simon Van Leeuwen wrote: | Apparent(!) patent infringement is what Lockheed Martin (the example in the | original thread) is using to thwart those who wish to offer radio control | models, AND static (plastic) models that look similar to what they built (like | the F-104, U2, etc). Are you sure it's patents? _Any_ patents on the F-104 and U2 would have expired by now. After all, patents are only good for 20 years, and both the U2 and the F-104 were created in the 50s. Any copyrights may have expired as well, though the specifics would depend on exactly what part of the law applied -- for example, does producing a plane count as `publishing with notice'? (Of course, there's the question about it being covered by copyright at all.) http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm Gives a nice summary, but doesn't answer the question. | Tom was gracious enough to point out the significant differences between | copyright and patent, go read his email too. I did too, and mentioned trademarks as well. This is a nice table -- http://www.patent-faq.com/types.htm that talks about the various types of protection. Whatever LM thinks they have, it's got to be in here somewhere. If somebody were to get a reasonably good IP lawyer and fight LM on this, I suspect that they could actually win. Of course, that good IP lawyer I was talking aobut would probably have a better idea of the chances than I do. | If readers projected just a smiggen of such wasted energy towards | the appropriate targets (like bad government, Lockheed Martin) as | they do towards fellow posters, we would be living in Valhalla... Isn't Valhalla the place where the fight all day long and get resurrected each morning so they can fight again? In any event, there's not much energy involved in online flaming. Try to translate that to real world money, and you could probably buy about six minutes of a lawyer's time. Ob Soaring related: Unfortunately, Austin, TX weather has not been conducive to soaring lately. Cloudy, drippy and not even windy. A few people went slope soaring last saturday, but I didn't even think it was windy enough to skip out on work for it (or I would have ... the DTs are starting up. Flying with a motor takes the edge off, but the weather hasn't even been good for that ...) -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sometimes paranoia is just a heightened state of awareness... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: [soaring] harbor freight vaacum pump, any use?
I was interested in your reason for using a reservoir, relay, vacuum switch etc. You stated the reason was so that the pump does not have to run all the time. Be aware that most vacuum pumps are actually designed for 24/7 operation cycles. The constant starting and stopping associated with the type of system you are talking about actually subjects your pump to much more wear rather than less. In addition, a system that uses more parts is also subject to more reasons for failure. A bad switch or contact can cause your valuable lay-up to be ruined if failure should occur during the initial stages of curing. A pump that runs continuously is far less prone to failure. That's been my experience. You will also find that the people that use this type of equipment the most will use a vacuum pump without all the other plumbing. See Phil Barnes' vacuum bagging video and you'll see how he has his shop set up. No switch or reservoir. It's less expensive, less parts required and less likely to fail. My two cents worth. Ed - Original Message - From: Andrew E Mileski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: [soaring] harbor freight vaacum pump, any use? Tord Eriksson wrote: On Sunday 06 February 2005 15.54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just my gut feeling: Yes, yes, yes! But add a vacuum switch, of course! ... and an airtank to act as a vauum resevoir so the pump doesn't have to run continuously. FWIW, I recently updated my page on adding an electronic vacuum switch by making it simpler via using a solid-state relay (I got three new-in-box 25 Amp ones for $20 USD from an Ebay auction). My mechanical switch page needs an update too (gonna simplify it for the electronics shy), but it works; I used it before I bought a pair of digital electronic switches from Ebay. http://isoar.ca/~andrewm/rc/vacswitch/ -- Andrew E. Mileski Ottawa, Canada RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Better Cutting Ribs CNC style....
Paul Breed wrote: After much feedback I bough a new 2 flute cutter and tried again. The ribs are much better with no sanding needed. This is shown as an added last picture on the web page:http://www.rasdoc.com/splinter/RibsCut.htm or you can see it directly at:http://www.rasdoc.com/splinter/RibImages/image036.jpg I've used diamond coated cutters for cutting wood. They bascially sand the part to shape, so you get perfect edges. They can't clear much material, so you have to go slow in harder woods. -- Andrew E. Mileski RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: [soaring] harbor freight vaacum pump, any use?
Ed Berris wrote: Be aware that most vacuum pumps are actually designed for 24/7 operation cycles. The constant starting and stopping associated with the type of system you are talking about actually subjects your pump to much more wear rather than less. Yup. Less wear on my ears though. A bad switch or contact can cause your valuable lay-up to be ruined if failure should occur during the initial stages of curing. No contacts in my all-electronic system. The solid-state relay I'm using (25A @ 240VAC) is also overkill for my pump (3A @ 120VAC), so it doesn't heat up. A pump that runs continuously is far less prone to failure. Agreed. Another problem you missed: some vacuum pumps won't start under high vaccum (mine needs to be under 9). Since the pump valves are not perfect, they bleed enough to take care of this. A vaccum check valve prevents bleeding into the tank (and hence bag). I also do sheeted foam wings, and the white foam can't handle full vacuum. Being able to regulate the vacuum without a noisy bleeder is also nice. -- Andrew E. Mileski Ottawa, Canada RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The perfect platform or Not....
You can only optimize a wing with one airfoil for one speed. You then either need to compromise for good performance at more than one speed or accept the poor performance at other speeds. The old floaters are good examples of this. This is one of the reasons that camber flaps are so popular. The alternative is to blend the airfoils to get aerodynamic washout and decreased stall speed at the tips. Martin Simons book describes this by using more camber at the tips, then using geometric washout to bring the aerodynamic AOA back to the same value. I have taken to this by using something like SA7035 at the root (2.5% camber) and SA7038 at the tip(3.25%camber) with the SA7036 and SD7037 between and washing the whole wing out. It is a near continuous twist to about 0.75 degreees - the approximate 0.75 degree (estimate) difference in zero lift angle. I built a 10 foot set of wings like this and it was a nice flyer. I used the same templates to make a 2M. I hope it flies just as well. The base assumption of LiftRoll and Lift3Span is a single airfoil accross the wing. I think it is based on a sd7037, but I may have this confused with something else. If you are designing strictly for minimum sink to be at the lowest possible, then don't worry about what it will do at 60 mph when the Cl is 0.3 instead of 1.0. Use LiftRoll to make sure you aren't designing in a deadly tip stall. This is another compromise with efficiency. I do not know how to estimate the actual performance numbers of these complex section wings. I bet that we would be entering the world of finite element analysis and other fun methods. Tom Koszuta Western New York Sailplane and Electric Flyers Buffalo, NY I can adjust the planform twist to get eliptical lift distribution at one AOA It is then off at a different AOA. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Saphire TD F/S on RC groups
I have a Saphire For sale on RC groups. Price and Pics on link below. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3291861#post3291861 Thanks, John Fruge RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Airtronics Servos FS
Was I asking too much? How about $210 and I pay the shipping? Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: Darwin N. Barrie To: Soaring Digest Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: [RCSE] Airtronics Servos FS I have 5 141's that are nearly new and one 732 for sale. They were in a new plane that was set up and flown a few times. I fly Futaba and will be swapping them out. How about $235for everything. I'll pay the shipping. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ
Re: [RCSE] The perfect platform or Not....
I can use LiftRoll to adjust twist to make it look like an elipse or not, but how do I generate the comparison number from my origional post, IE wing 1 will have min sink of 1 fps and wing 2 will have minimum sink of X fps? You don't necessarily want an elliptical lift distribution in a real-world model, since that might result in turning behaviour that is a little scary at times if your airfoil selections aren't correct. You're really looking to optimize cruise here, right? (ie min power setting for level flight). Look into the power factor calculation available from xfoil/profili. Flight power is proportional to CD/CL^1.5, but remember that CD is the total airframe drag coefficient, so working with the airfoil Cd along isn't going to give you the full picture. How do I use LiftRoll to get a wing Cd, Cl given a polar Cl, Cd? Very simple...you can't. It's not designed to be able to give you this information, since at no point does it incorporate actual airfoil data. In LiftRoll is av/mx Cl the Cl I want to optimize for? That's a planform efficiency number, giving you a measure of how aggressive the planform design is. Real-world meaning: a high efficiency number will require a more competent pilot, since upon reaching stall more of the wing will let go at the same time. Compromising this measure will result in a model that's easier to fly over a wide range of conditions. How do I go about guessing an AOA? (Again from the airfoil polar? ) Don't bother...I've already made a sheet that will calculate it for you (overall Cd, wing drag, tail drag etc). You need to know the weight of the model (assuming you're calculating a level flight condition, ie weight=lift required) and you need access to the airfoil polar data from Profili/Xfoil at the appropriate Re# Go to the following link to download the sheet...based off of LiftRoll about 3 yrs ago: http://www.soarcalgary.com/Extras/Articles/Sailplane%20Design%20Spreadsh eet/ Did you have a webpage for your solar project? I've been curious how it was coming along, but the few searches I ran never came up with the webpage that I seem to remember seeing once upon a time. Hope that helps, Adam Adam Till Mechanical Engineer 403-270-9200 (ext 154) 403-270-0399 (Fax) UMA Engineering Ltd. 2540 Kensington Road NW Calgary AB, Canada T2N 3S3 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] ? Ron Scheu email?
Anyone help me with contacting Ron? Thank in advance. Richard Burnoski RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] F/S NIB RD8000 8Ch Radio system
F/S NIB RD8000 8Ch Radio system Price and info on link below. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3292050#post3292050 Thanks, John Fruge RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The perfect platform or Not....
Well, I changed the file names long ago and I forget exactly what they used to be. However, the newer sheet has the input data shown in COLOR (red,black,yellow,white) while the older one does not. Personally, I've not had any reason for the newer sheet's complexity. I'm thinking the two have are just LiftRoll and LiftDist. They're fairly old. I've had the first sheet for about six years. Bill Swingle RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The perfect platform or Not....
I can use LiftRoll to adjust twist to make it look like an elipse or not but how do I generate the comparison number from my origional post, IE wing 1 will have min sink of 1 fps and wing 2 will have minimum sink of X fps? Beats me. I suspect that the spreadsheet is not capable of that level of precision. Bill RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The perfect platform or Not....
As for a web page bits and pieces at different times... The most current page is: http://www.rasdoc.com/splinter/solar2004.htm The collection of related pages (Many Many really outdated) http://www.rasdoc.com/splinter At 01:32 PM 2/8/2005, you wrote: I can use LiftRoll to adjust twist to make it look like an elipse or not, but how do I generate the comparison number from my origional post, IE wing 1 will have min sink of 1 fps and wing 2 will have minimum sink of X fps? You don't necessarily want an elliptical lift distribution in a real-world model, since that might result in turning behaviour that is a little scary at times if your airfoil selections aren't correct. You're really looking to optimize cruise here, right? (ie min power setting for level flight). Look into the power factor calculation available from xfoil/profili. Flight power is proportional to CD/CL^1.5, but remember that CD is the total airframe drag coefficient, so working with the airfoil Cd along isn't going to give you the full picture. How do I use LiftRoll to get a wing Cd, Cl given a polar Cl, Cd? Very simple...you can't. It's not designed to be able to give you this information, since at no point does it incorporate actual airfoil data. In LiftRoll is av/mx Cl the Cl I want to optimize for? That's a planform efficiency number, giving you a measure of how aggressive the planform design is. Real-world meaning: a high efficiency number will require a more competent pilot, since upon reaching stall more of the wing will let go at the same time. Compromising this measure will result in a model that's easier to fly over a wide range of conditions. How do I go about guessing an AOA? (Again from the airfoil polar? ) Don't bother...I've already made a sheet that will calculate it for you (overall Cd, wing drag, tail drag etc). You need to know the weight of the model (assuming you're calculating a level flight condition, ie weight=lift required) and you need access to the airfoil polar data from Profili/Xfoil at the appropriate Re# Go to the following link to download the sheet...based off of LiftRoll about 3 yrs ago: http://www.soarcalgary.com/Extras/Articles/Sailplane%20Design%20Spreadsh eet/ Did you have a webpage for your solar project? I've been curious how it was coming along, but the few searches I ran never came up with the webpage that I seem to remember seeing once upon a time. Hope that helps, Adam Adam Till Mechanical Engineer 403-270-9200 (ext 154) 403-270-0399 (Fax) UMA Engineering Ltd. 2540 Kensington Road NW Calgary AB, Canada T2N 3S3 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hitec Digi Servo burn out!
Because uprocessor-based servos are attempting to achieve and hold a commanded position much more aggressively than non processor-based servos, component matching (proper servo for the job at hand) and set-up is much more critical. Jittering (poor RF communication causing servos to hunt), surface binding, too heavy (too big) control surfaces, insufficient surface travel that causes binding, etc will all put undue strain on the motor, especially the brush structure. If the servo is having trouble just holding the control surface up while sitting on the ground, and then asked to go to a commanded position repeatedly can cause overheating. Overheating causes the brushes to fail, or the ciruitry supplying the current. If as you state there is no binding, the first failure should have pointed to an issue of this sort. The second should for sure. Putting a non-digital servo in where a digital servo failed (like on your rudder) is masking the problem. The non-digital servo is fighting the very same battle, just with less resources (as in update rate and current). Any digital servo asked to hold a position it can not achieve will experience heat build-up. Now depending on whether that servo so a Ferrari or a Yugo will dictate whether it gets compromized or just sits there and hums. All things being equal (no binding, proper servo for the job at hand, etc), I would rather have the Ferrari, er I mean Hitec 5125. It is not normal for these servos to fail in this manner, unless you are exceeded their design parameters. Buying servos based on advertised torque is only a part of the equation. Quoting Albert E. Wedworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All I'm building a HM Ventus 2ax 5 m model sailplane. I've used Hitec digi servos thought. HS-5245MG digi Mini HS 5125 MG Digi thin wing servos. What I've noticed is they burn out very easily.. What's up I haven't gotten my plane in the air yet and I've burned up 5 of the servos already! What burned out so far... 1. rudder servo; on a pull pull system HS-5245 MG Digi ( to tight ) my fault... Non Digi now. 1.Tip aileron HS-5245 MG Digi servo. 2. Flap servos HS-5125 Thin Wing Digi servo. 1. Spoiler servo HS-5245 MG Digi servo. None of my surface's are tight! 5 cell battery pack. Should I be concerned??? Is this normal??? Could it be too much throw? I like that Hitec replaces then without a questions, But. I've never had this happen with non Digi servo before.. So let me know if this is happing to others out there. Cheers AL Albert E. Wedworth ( AL ) ERA Capshaw Realestate REALTOR- ASSOCIATE Cell 530-228-9445 Fax 530-343-1715 Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Copying Designs/Plans
My apologies, maybe it was you have gave a nice breakdown of copyright versus patent. Good points..which makes me wonder precisely what the original threat of litigation to cease and disist manufacture of replica miniatures was about... Quoting Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:38:35AM -0800, Simon Van Leeuwen wrote: | Apparent(!) patent infringement is what Lockheed Martin (the example in the | original thread) is using to thwart those who wish to offer radio control | models, AND static (plastic) models that look similar to what they built (like | the F-104, U2, etc). Are you sure it's patents? _Any_ patents on the F-104 and U2 would have expired by now. After all, patents are only good for 20 years, and both the U2 and the F-104 were created in the 50s. Any copyrights may have expired as well, though the specifics would depend on exactly what part of the law applied -- for example, does producing a plane count as `publishing with notice'? (Of course, there's the question about it being covered by copyright at all.) http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm Gives a nice summary, but doesn't answer the question. | Tom was gracious enough to point out the significant differences between | copyright and patent, go read his email too. I did too, and mentioned trademarks as well. This is a nice table -- http://www.patent-faq.com/types.htm that talks about the various types of protection. Whatever LM thinks they have, it's got to be in here somewhere. If somebody were to get a reasonably good IP lawyer and fight LM on this, I suspect that they could actually win. Of course, that good IP lawyer I was talking aobut would probably have a better idea of the chances than I do. | If readers projected just a smiggen of such wasted energy towards | the appropriate targets (like bad government, Lockheed Martin) as | they do towards fellow posters, we would be living in Valhalla... Isn't Valhalla the place where the fight all day long and get resurrected each morning so they can fight again? In any event, there's not much energy involved in online flaming. Try to translate that to real world money, and you could probably buy about six minutes of a lawyer's time. Ob Soaring related: Unfortunately, Austin, TX weather has not been conducive to soaring lately. Cloudy, drippy and not even windy. A few people went slope soaring last saturday, but I didn't even think it was windy enough to skip out on work for it (or I would have ... the DTs are starting up. Flying with a motor takes the edge off, but the weather hasn't even been good for that ...) -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sometimes paranoia is just a heightened state of awareness... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Paint stripper
Anybody out there know of a paint stripper that I can use on a glass fuse without destroying it. Thanks EDG Pittsburgh
RE: [RCSE] Ideas needed to fix bad paint spots
I've found that rubbing alcohol easily removes Krylon paint from glass surfaces. I use toilet tissue wetted with the alcohol. Robert Samuels.St. Louis From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:29:01 -0800 What do those of you do, who bag wings in which the waxed carriers have been painted, when the paint does not transfer in a spot or flakes off? How do you fill the spot, fill any exposed weave level it to adjacent paint, prime, repaint, avoid overspray and finish it off to look uniformly smooth and shiny?How do you handle pinholes that, after being filled and wet sanded down, reappear on application of new paint? How would you remove adjacent remnants of old paint (Krylon) to start over new, without harming the underlying foam core? Acetone will remove paint, but ruin foam. What solvent do you use or by what technique do you remove all paint down to the epoxy? How would you then fill exposed weave? Specifically what filler products to you use, then what primer, what paint? Please explain your entire technique if you have one that works well. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The perfect platform or Not....
Thomas, I'm still trying to figure out how the Sharon 3.7 does it. The Sharon's flew beautifully this last weekend in Phoenix. Great plane for the mid winds and thermal cycles they had at the contest. The Sharon has a 7037 at the root, transitioning to a RG-15 at the tips. Seems totally backwards; more camber at the root than at the tips. This is aerodynamic washin unless there is some twist in the molding process. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Thomas Koszuta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:30:49 -0500 To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] The perfect platform or Not You can only optimize a wing with one airfoil for one speed. You then either need to compromise for good performance at more than one speed or accept the poor performance at other speeds. The old floaters are good examples of this. This is one of the reasons that camber flaps are so popular. The alternative is to blend the airfoils to get aerodynamic washout and decreased stall speed at the tips. Martin Simons book describes this by using more camber at the tips, then using geometric washout to bring the aerodynamic AOA back to the same value. I have taken to this by using something like SA7035 at the root (2.5% camber) and SA7038 at the tip(3.25%camber) with the SA7036 and SD7037 between and washing the whole wing out. It is a near continuous twist to about 0.75 degreees - the approximate 0.75 degree (estimate) difference in zero lift angle. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] JoJo Hijacked by Secret F3J Nats Conspiracy Team
Satelite photos and cell phone traffic indicatethe JoJo conspiracy activity focus'd in the PowayCaliforniaand Huntsville Alabama areas! This is nearly as devious as the "Roo" Mystery! More as things develop. Gordy
Re: [RCSE] Paint stripper
Folks please respond to the list as well because I would be interested in the answer to Ed's question. EJ - Original Message - From: Edwin Lightcap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Balsa Sailplanes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RC Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: [RCSE] Paint stripper Anybody out there know of a paint stripper that I can use on a glass fuse without destroying it. Thanks EDG Pittsburgh RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Paint stripper
There is a paint stripper made specifically for fiberglass. I found it in a Lowes or Home Depot in a qt. can. I don't know the brand, but it specifically said it was for fiberglass. It worked good on a motorcycle fairing I painted a few years back. George Voss -Original Message- From: Ed Jett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:18 PM To: RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] Paint stripper Folks please respond to the list as well because I would be interested in the answer to Ed's question. EJ - Original Message - From: Edwin Lightcap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Balsa Sailplanes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RC Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: [RCSE] Paint stripper Anybody out there know of a paint stripper that I can use on a glass fuse without destroying it. Thanks EDG Pittsburgh RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: [balsasailplanes] Paint stripper
Edwin Lightcap wrote: Anybody out there know of a paint stripper that I can use on a glass fuse without destroying it. Thanks EDG Pittsburgh Ed, I got a quart from the local auto paint store. It was made especially for removing paint from fiberglass. I have also seen Kleen-Strip for fiberglass. -- Grampy [Glenn Couch] Owensboro, Ky *** People are getting smarter nowadays; they are letting lawyers, instead of their conscience, be their guide. Will Rogers 1879-1935 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Paint stripper
If you check with any good boating supply store they will have strippers made for use on fiberglass. Myself I prefer to use my abrasive blaster loaded with walnut shells. It allows me to have excellent control and leaves an excellent surface for repainting. michael Ed Jett wrote: Folks please respond to the list as well because I would be interested in the answer to Ed's question. EJ - Original Message - From: Edwin Lightcap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Balsa Sailplanes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RC Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: [RCSE] Paint stripper Anybody out there know of a paint stripper that I can use on a glass fuse without destroying it. Thanks EDG Pittsburgh RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Paint stripper
A mouse sander from BlackDecker works well for me."or equivalent" On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:05:35 -0500 "Edwin Lightcap" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anybody out there know of a paint stripper that I can use on a glass fuse without destroying it. Thanks EDG Pittsburgh Mike RemusLOFT Glider ClubFort Wayne INLSF Level 5 #112Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams!
Re: [RCSE] JoJo Hijacked by Secret F3J Nats Conspiracy Team
huh? At 05:41 PM 2/8/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Satelite photos and cell phone traffic indicate the JoJo conspiracy activity focus'd in the Poway California and Huntsville Alabama areas! This is nearly as devious as the Roo Mystery! More as things develop. Gordy Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
Re: [RCSE] Paint stripper
I have always used the cheap Super Tech carburator cleaner from Wal-Mart. $.78 cents a can I believe. Justput the fuse over a plastic garbage bag than has been split lengthwise and spray away. Wipe clean with paper towels. Use the appropriate gloves and eye protection, of course! The walnut shells blast would be nicer though if one has access to such means. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
RE: [RCSE] Re: 9303 question
The 9303 can be purchased in Mode-1 configuration. Our service department can change an existing Mode-2 to Mode-1. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 7:09 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Re: 9303 question The 770 RX is a dandy. Nice and small with good connector layout. It's about the same size as a SuperSlim if you are familiar with that. The transmitter is not configurable to mode 1 last I heard. There was talk that this would be changed at some time in the future. I'd ask the guys at Horizon about this. Yes, the transmitter will transmit standard PPM mode if you want it to. Happy trails - Rob G Some questions about the new JR radio: Is the R700 and /or R770 receiver of a form factor conducive to the usual 3 meter sailplane fuse dimensions? Can the TX be easily converted by the user to Mode one operation? (mode one is elevator and rudder on the left stick) My present Futaba 8UAX makes the conversion very simple. I have owned transmitters which were very difficult to convert. Can the transmitter operate in a standard FM mode such as would be compatable with a normal FM receiver? Yes, I know the shift polarity does not match Futaba and Hitec but on 50 MHz band they are all the same so I plan on continuing to use my collection of FMA and Futaba receivers. I may have to reorder the servo connections however. Many thanks, Jim MacLean Melbourne, FL RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Harbor Freight - Mighty Mite table saw
Does anyone have one of these little saws? Is it any good? It is inexpensive, but is it cheap too? EJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Southwest Classic
I only to a peak at the scores, didn't care that much.Had to go catch an airplane before it was over. I live in Ohio and came for the weather. Sat alone was worth the trip. You guys do a great job. This was my fourth trip, hope to make it five nexth year Jerry Shape - Original Message - From: Darwin N. Barrie To: Soaring Digest Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: [RCSE] Southwest Classic So this issue doesn't grow a head of its own, there were some final round scoring issues. Apparently a couple of landing scores were not entered which scrambled a few places. They have been corrected and those affected will be contacted. As a point of interest utilizing some round numbers lets say that 150 pilots posted scores. That is 300 points of entry each round (time and landing). We flew 7 rounds, for nearly 2100 points of entry for the contest. Darwin N. Barrie CD Southwest Classic Chandler AZ
[RCSE] Paging Mike Smith
Mike, ping me back with your contact info. Something to do about a team T-shirt you dropped on me! Thanks and good luck to our USA Team, let's all show our Support!!! Edgar The Soaring Junkie __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Re: [RCSE] The perfect platform or Not....
There is/was a school of thought that you decrease camber toward the tips to reduce lift and vortex to decrease drag. What this does to overall efficiency is questionable to me, but I am only an amateur aerodymanicist. I expect that you increase effective wing load due to sacrifice of tip lift in trade for reduced vortex. I wonder which one wins? If you stay away from stall speeds you might never notice a plane has a tip stall tendency - not to infer that the Sharon has one. If you are using camber flaps that drop equally accross the wing, you may be increasing camber more at the tips than at the center due to geometry and getting the best of both worlds anyway. Hope I can sleep tonight instead of thinking about this one. Tom Koszuta Western New York Sailplane and Electic Flyers Buffalo, NY - Original Message - From: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MASSIVE SNIPPING INVOLVED The Sharon has a 7037 at the root, transitioning to a RG-15 at the tips. Seems totally backwards; more camber at the root than at the tips. This is aerodynamic washin unless there is some twist in the molding process. The alternative is to blend the airfoils to get aerodynamic washout and decreased stall speed at the tips. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hitec Digi Servo burn out! - not....
I wouldnever use a Hitec servo of any kind for the elevator. I use themin other applications but never the elevator. Walter -Original Message-From: Tom Hoopes [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Albert E. Wedworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Soaring@airage.comDate: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:32 AMSubject: [RCSE] Hitec Digi Servo burn out! - notAt 09:24 AM 2/8/05 -0800, Albert E. Wedworth wrote: Hi AllI'm building a HM Ventus 2ax 5 m model sailplane.I've used Hitec digi servos thought.HS-5245MG digi Mini HS 5125 MG Digi thin wing servos.What I've noticed is they burn out very easily..What's up I haven't gotten my plane in the air yet and I've burned up 5 of the servos already!What burned out so far...1. rudder servo; on a pull pull system HS-5245 MG Digi ( to tight ) my fault... Non Digi now.1.Tip aileron HS-5245 MG Digi servo. 2. Flap servos HS-5125 Thin Wing Digi servo.1. Spoiler servo HS-5245 MG Digi servo.None of my surface's are tight!5 cell battery pack.Should I be concerned???Is this normal???Could it be too much throw?I like that Hitec replaces then without a questions, But.I've never had this happen with non Digi servo before..So let me know if this is happing to others out there.CheersALAlbert E. Wedworth ( AL ) Hi Al,I've had quite the opposite experience with the Hitec HS-5245 servos. I've got three electric helis in the ".38 size" with 550mm blades running HS-5245s in eCCPM mode and they have worked flawlessly. I've also used them in gliders on flaps and elevators with perfect centering and no drift due to temperature excursions. They are not quite to the quality level of the JR DS3421, but they are pretty good, nonetheless.What gauge of wire are you using for the power and ground runs to these servos? Insufficient wire gauge or lousy connections/connectors can yield significant IR losses (this is part of Ohm's law with I=current and R=Resistance) resulting in major voltage drops at the servos. Many analog servos will continue to work during a major voltage drop, but with much lower torque and slower transit speed, while the digital servo's internal microcontroller will often reset during such a voltage drop.You can chase down the problem by monitoring the voltage AT THE SERVO while running the surfaces through their paces. Alternatively, you can attach a battery minder such at SkyKing's Lost Model Locator (http://www.skykingrcproducts.com/accessories/lostmodel/lost_rc_model_alarm.html) in line with the servo. The finder is fast enough to respond quickly with a low voltage condition (I should know, I designed the product for SkyKing). A quick beep or prolonged beep, will indicate a voltage drop due to the IR loss. I also know where to get some really dependable wiring harnesses built to commercial specs, with commercial equipment ;-), but you already knew that.Remember that the instantaneous current demands seen with a digital servos are often much higher than their analog counterparts, thus the IR losses become even more apparent with digital servos. There is no free lunch. Tom Hoopes - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Hoopes Designs -"Taking the hassle out of wing wiring harnesses" http://www.hoopesdesigns.com
Re: [RCSE] FS RES Compulsion FS01 Airfoil
Hi Guys, The Compulsion has been sold. See Ya, Pat - Original Message - From: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:59 AM Subject: [RCSE] FS RES Compulsion FS01 Airfoil Hi Guys, I have a Compulsion FS01 RES Plane for Sale. The fuse and wings are white with red built-up tails. The plane includes a MPX mcV2 Digital Servo on elevator, Hitec HS85MG on rudder and Hitec HS60's on the spoilers. This is the plane that UPS broke for me the last time I tried selling it. The damage has all been structurally repaired and is very serviceable. I would like to get $400.00 or best offer plus shipping. I can send pictures of the damage prior to repair, the repair and the finished product. Please email me direct if you are interested in the plane. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS Ps, I will also include bagged rudder and stabs that came with the original Compulsion. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Servo question
I am looking for a couple of thin wing servos. I know JR has a digital thin wing servo, cant remember the number, very much similar to the Hitec 5125. I have heard it is the same servo, made by the same people, but with different electronics. Is that true? Just wondering because I know the 5125 gears strip easily, was wondering if the JR version does also. Thanks, Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] SWC
I only to a peak at the scores, didn't care that much.Had to go catch an airplane before it was over. I live in Ohio and came for the weather. Sat alone was worth the trip. Maybe that was because of the twenty you found.. You guys do a great job. This was my fourth trip, hope to make it five nexth year Jerry Shape RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Servo answer
I am looking for a couple of thin wing servos. I know JR has a digital thinwing servo,cant remember the number, very much similar to the Hitec 5125. I have heardit is the same servo, made by the same people, but with differentelectronics. Is that true? Just wondering because I know the 5125 gearsstrip easily, was wondering if the JR version does also.Thanks, Walter You could get the original thin servos from MPX or the thin servos that were the basis for the JR/Hitec thinsVolz Micro Maxx. Now they don't have gears that strip easily, and instead of tiny wire whisker brushes, the have nice big thick carbon brushed motors, more torque than any of them even at4 cells, they draw less current than the others, they come with a slick snap in mounting frame that easily screws into a wood glue in frame, and they come with that cool no cutting off the lead and soldering wires together, tiny VMS connector system. But of course its the sort of stuff you'd expect from a servo designed for use in high performance competition sailplanes. Oh yeah almost twice as fast too. And now with a proprietary digital amp that is matched to the motor and the use. It has a run time clock inside that the service guy can read so you can find out if its a new or highly used servo at anytime in its life. Just thought I'd mention it. 10mm thin. Optimized for 4 cells but still functions down to 3...yet doesn't fear more. Gordy I know I use em almost everyday somewhere in the world. 100 hours in less than 3 months.
RE: [RCSE] Servo question
Gidday all, I can confirm that the gears on the 5125 do strip easily, Just a firm landing and the weight of the Flap was enough to strip both flap final gears. Investigation showed that the final gear was aluminium which to my mind is far too soft for the job it has to do. It would be nice to hear from someone that the JR final gear is at least Brass and not subject to failure. I too, await the definitive info. John Canterbury Sailplanes 2002 -Original Message- From: Marta Zavala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2005 4:44 p.m. To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Servo question I am looking for a couple of thin wing servos. I know JR has a digital thin wing servo, cant remember the number, very much similar to the Hitec 5125. I have heard it is the same servo, made by the same people, but with different electronics. Is that true? Just wondering because I know the 5125 gears strip easily, was wondering if the JR version does also. Thanks, Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Servo answer is Wing Maxx
Mostly I use Micro Maxx cuz they are even more durable, only unverified accounts of a damaged gear set from DS crashes :-) Wing Maxx is the thin guy and its steel geared high power chrome bodied big thin brother the Wing Maxx HP. Gordy
Re: [RCSE] Servo question
I should order a couple and try them out... http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPS168 They look like nice aileron servos, but I don't think I would use them for flaps. At 09:44 PM 2/8/2005, Marta Zavala wrote: I am looking for a couple of thin wing servos. I know JR has a digital thin wing servo, cant remember the number, very much similar to the Hitec 5125. I have heard it is the same servo, made by the same people, but with different electronics. Is that true? Just wondering because I know the 5125 gears strip easily, was wondering if the JR version does also. Thanks, Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Servo question
I've had them on my Pike Superior flaps for ~1-1/2 years, without a single problem. Tom James V. Bacus wrote: I should order a couple and try them out... http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPS168 They look like nice aileron servos, but I don't think I would use them for flaps. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Servo question
Excellent... I still like 368's for that application, I have the space for them. At 10:43 PM 2/8/2005, Tom Watson wrote: I've had them on my Pike Superior flaps for ~1-1/2 years, without a single problem. Tom James V. Bacus wrote: I should order a couple and try them out... http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPS168 They look like nice aileron servos, but I don't think I would use them for flaps. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights
you should order a couple and try them out...http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPS168They look like nice aileron servos, but I don't think I would use them for flaps. Great point Jim!A huge difference between the Hitec version and JR version is that JR has always aimed at making some of the finest servos offered in the market...lots of years of experience making servos up to a quality, not down to a price point. The JR has a Cobalt Magnet motor, plenty important considering that digital amps can create some heat in the motors. Its what put Astro Flight in the game...high rate speed controllers (digital amps) caused guys to be able to push their motors harder and the ferrite magnets would dry out and lose power. And of course the gear train in the JR is of a different material than the Hitecs. Don't rip the Hitecs though, they are the best thing out there in a low price range. Excellent stuff in the context of their cost. The fault is with the user...expecting to get more than you pay for is always a way to set yourself up for disappointment. JR is great stuff and like Hitec they offer tremendous service. I know I get to use all the brands at one point or another :-) Gordy
Re: [RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights
I just noticed Gordy's street address is 9303! You are destined to own that TX... 8-) hahahha P.S. Just sent my donation into the bring JoJo to Nats fund, I sure hope you can make it dude. At 10:49 PM 2/8/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR is great stuff and like Hitec they offer tremendous service. I know I get to use all the brands at one point or another :-) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
