Re: [RCSE] skegs on sailplanes

2000-02-04 Thread Marc Gellart



 Mark,
 from Daryls excellent post to yours.  I have this mental picture of you.
 Do you sometimes wear a pointy hat with eyeholes cut out, or a specific
 armband?  You must be a legend in your own mind.

Klaus,
I, promise that I am not a member of the klan, or any other right wing
conspiratorial group, just someone who is tired of political correctness and
the attitude "that because America needs to get with the rest of the world
attitude."  The last thing I am is a legend in my own mind, just a hard
working guy who enjoys to fly and anything about flying, but I am very
competitive when I walk out on the field of battle.

Marc Gellart, Lima, OH

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Re: [RCSE] skegs on sailplanes

2000-02-04 Thread GordySoar

In a message dated 2/4/00 4:30:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  The last thing I am is a legend in my own mind, just a hard
 working guy who enjoys to fly and anything about flying, but I am very
 competitive when I walk out on the field of battle.
  
Gellart is a meglomaniac, totally full of himself and feels that only his way 
is the only way.  He is a fearsome sight of a man, intimidating on the 
soaring field of battle.
No one likes the guy.

except me:-) and I enjoy the look of a vicious skeg right on the tip of a 
sailplane.

Gordy
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Re: [RCSE] skegs on sailplanes

2000-02-01 Thread Moved by the wind.



Michael Neverdosky wrote:

 How about shorter winch lines?
 a 100 meter line.


Does a 100 yard line make thousands of readily available sites leap to mine?  Gee, 
they even have the landing task set up already,
between the poles, under the bar to the spot.

Rich B

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Re: [RCSE] skegs on sailplanes

2000-01-31 Thread darylp

Most of you know, I've flown all over the world. The rest of the world simply doesn't 
understand our way of TD flying and scoring.
The reality is that our tasks have evolved over the years to take into account the 
tiny little postage stamp flying fields we are
required to sometimes fly from. Most pilots from other countries would laugh 
histerically if they ever attended Visalia, and saw the
little clump of grass we are required to land on downwind every year. Why is it like 
this? Real estate - it is at a premium, and we
are losing flying sites left and right. We're lucky to have the ones we have - 
especially in Southern California.

I hate our landing tasks, and the value put on high landing points at a contest - but 
that's the way it is. Our TD contests are
about what happens when the plane hits the ground - not about what happens in the air. 
I think this is a shame, but there isn't
enough time in the day to hold a true thermal duration event - that Joe guy would just 
run out of batteries. Every one else would
follow him around the sky. There has to be a differentiator (Is that a word?) What 
will this be? Hmmm, landing?

Now, skegs - again the reality of small sites, and poor flying skills. It's very easy 
for the purists to argue we don't need them.
"Sure, just learn how to land," they say. Yeah, right! If we eliminate skegs, do you 
really believe that all the soaring pilots who
already have trouble hitting the spot with skegs are going to go out and practice now? 
No, they won't. They're flying for fun. What
you've just created is making an unsafe pilot and situation MORE unsafe. Things happen 
in contests that don't normally happen during
fun flying. Everybody wants those landing points, and they're sure as heck not going 
to come up short. So, they're carrying energy -
LOTS of it. Oops, there goes my shins, your shins, and alot of leading edges.

Our landing tape - Is it absurd? Probably. But it doesn't really matter. As long as 
everyone is landing on the same tape, it's
plenty fair. It's actually more fair than the FAI tapes. I like 1 point increments as 
opposed to 5 point increments. FAI tapes - You
could drop 5 points by simply being out 1/2". We're going to a contest in Phoenix this 
weekend where it will be scored at 1 point
per inch away from the nail.  Averaging 85's will win this contest. Maybe even 80's. I 
do hope the purists leave their skegs at
home, and bring a lot planes! ;-) Or at least EPP LE's.

So, how do we make contests more fair in the states? I don't have the answer to that. 
I do have a few ideas:

1. Eliminate sandbagging - called flight order. Give a guy 3 minutes(Or a specified 
amount of time - field layout dependent) after
he's called to hook up to the winch. One of my pet peaves is the guys who fly on ham 
bands to eliminate freq. conflicts, and sit on
the pin awaiting the lift cycles. This is an unfair advantage, and more importantly, 
is just a pussy move.
2. When capable - try holding a man on man contest. Takes less time than you'd think. 
You don't have to wait for each flight group
to land prior to launching the next group. Can be accomplished with a little planning. 
Can also be done with only 2 - 3 winches, not
optimum, but can be done.
3. Make the flight times challenging - this 3, 5, 7 crap is boring. Our planes have 
gotten so efficient, and the tasks haven't kept
up. Who cares if nobody makes their times? It's called Thermal Duration, isn't it? 
Shouldn't the guy who flies the longest get the
win?
4. Make the landing tasks fair - no huge landing bonus equalling 1/3 or even 1/2 of 
the flight time for hitting a postage stamp.
That 1/2" in or out thing makes me crazy. Measure the darn things. Huge in or out 
doesn't make a contest more fair, it makes the
contest more dependent on your TIMER'S thumb.

Do I think skegs should be banned? No. I do believe they make things more safe for the 
majority of skill levels out there. Besides,
the biggest skeg is really the nose. You eliminate skegs, people will DORK for the win.

Daryl - sorry to get on my soapbox - Perkins



Mike Stump wrote:

 Klaus,

 unlike F3B  J, the landing zones in the USA are much smaller... the US TD
 landing circle deducts 1 point from 100 for every 4 inches away from
 center... what would still be 100 pts on an FAI tape could be 90 or even 89
 on a US circle (task L-4)..

 our runway landing is a strip 2-3" wide for 100 pts with 1 pt. deducted for
 every inch away from the runway center zone...

 there is a difference regardless of the amount of control one has properly
 learned..

 At 09:11 AM 2/1/00 +1100, you wrote:
 What are you saying here jerry?  Don't go half shares with you in a full
 size sailplane or don't go in the tandem seat with you  :)
 We don't use skegs in Australia. It is up to the pilots to learn to fly
 their sailplanes properly and compensate for the landings.  Are skegs
 allowed in the world champs F3J/F3B?  Don't think so.
 
 Klaus Weiss
 Australia
 
 
  

Re: Re: [RCSE] skegs on sailplanes

2000-01-31 Thread JMC3ROB

Klaus
 What I didn't say was that serious, hard charging, full scale sailplane 
competition flying comes with an elevated level of risk.  Off field landings 
in totally unfamiliar terrain (most are) and flight into extreme weather 
conditions (thunderstorm downburst in my case) set the stage for my fence 
encounters.  I now compete with models instead.  If I fly full size, I rent 
and prefer to go solo, so you are safe. 

 Jerry

Ps. I'm sure you are aware of several of the top world soaring pilots who are 
not with us today because of "gotchas".  It does have it's hazards, and wire 
strikes and midairs are high on the list.  MacCready once told me he hung it 
up after he won the Worlds because of the midair risk.  I didn't feel so bad 
for having quit after  hearing him say that.  

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