[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

2024-04-13 Thread Ron Greenman 
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> Thanks for the help to all who replied. Tom, I always get a little
> nostalgic around this time of year. GLC was hands down the best boss I ever
> worked for. The job in question is for Rowe, something came up and they
> asked me to unretire for a month or two, so I have.
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> I had some difficulty in commissioning an 8” ClaVal we installed on a 1500
> gpm pump in Cranston a few years ago.  We took out the inside test header
> and installed the SCV in it’s place an piped the suction line in ¼” soft
> copper.  Joe from ClaVal had retired (too bad) but we managed to get a hold
> of a knowledgeable outside tech who helped us out.  Seemed the ‘preferred’
> location was between the discharge and pump check (not after) and the
> sensing line be ½” right from the suction gauge tap (1/4”) to the operator
> inlet (1/8”).  Once we changed that, it worked perfectly.  Happy birthday
> GLC.
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> Go Red Sox.
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> *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve
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> It is required to be an OS and located between the suction flange and
> the fire pump bypass.  No preference on manufacturer other than complying
> with the specifications.
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> Merle
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> I have to put a suction control valve on a fire pump for the first time.
> I’m assuming it goes on the suction side of the pump. Does it go before or
> after the RPZ backflow? Anyone have any preferences as to brand or model;
> this one is an 8”. First time in 45 years of doing this.
>
>
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

2024-04-13 Thread cliff 
We need a ‘smiley face’ button on the forum for times like this.  I miss
George



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Thanks for the help to all who replied. Tom, I always get a little nostalgic
around this time of year. GLC was hands down the best boss I ever worked
for. The job in question is for Rowe, something came up and they asked me to
unretire for a month or two, so I have.



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I had some difficulty in commissioning an 8” ClaVal we installed on a 1500
gpm pump in Cranston a few years ago.  We took out the inside test header
and installed the SCV in it’s place an piped the suction line in ¼” soft
copper.  Joe from ClaVal had retired (too bad) but we managed to get a hold
of a knowledgeable outside tech who helped us out.  Seemed the ‘preferred’
location was between the discharge and pump check (not after) and the
sensing line be ½” right from the suction gauge tap (1/4”) to the operator
inlet (1/8”).  Once we changed that, it worked perfectly.  Happy birthday
GLC.

Go Red Sox.



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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve



It is required to be an OS and located between the suction flange and the
fire pump bypass.  No preference on manufacturer other than complying with
the specifications.



Merle



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I have to put a suction control valve on a fire pump for the first time. I’m
assuming it goes on the suction side of the pump. Does it go before or after
the RPZ backflow? Anyone have any preferences as to brand or model; this one
is an 8”. First time in 45 years of doing this.



Richard L. Mote CET

Rimrock Design Services, LLC

Middleburg, PA 17842

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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

2024-04-13 Thread Richard Mote 
Thanks for the help to all who replied. Tom, I always get a little nostalgic 
around this time of year. GLC was hands down the best boss I ever worked for. 
The job in question is for Rowe, something came up and they asked me to 
unretire for a month or two, so I have.

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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve


I had some difficulty in commissioning an 8” ClaVal we installed on a 1500 gpm 
pump in Cranston a few years ago.  We took out the inside test header and 
installed the SCV in it’s place an piped the suction line in ¼” soft copper.  
Joe from ClaVal had retired (too bad) but we managed to get a hold of a 
knowledgeable outside tech who helped us out.  Seemed the ‘preferred’ location 
was between the discharge and pump check (not after) and the sensing line be ½” 
right from the suction gauge tap (1/4”) to the operator inlet (1/8”).  Once we 
changed that, it worked perfectly.  Happy birthday GLC.

Go Red Sox.



From: Merle Hittle 
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 2:13 PM
To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 

Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve



It is required to be an OS and located between the suction flange and the 
fire pump bypass.  No preference on manufacturer other than complying with the 
specifications.



Merle



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I have to put a suction control valve on a fire pump for the first time. I’m 
assuming it goes on the suction side of the pump. Does it go before or after 
the RPZ backflow? Anyone have any preferences as to brand or model; this one is 
an 8”. First time in 45 years of doing this.



Richard L. Mote CET

Rimrock Design Services, LLC

Middleburg, PA 17842

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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

2024-04-13 Thread tduross1 
I had some difficulty in commissioning an 8” ClaVal we installed on a 1500
gpm pump in Cranston a few years ago.  We took out the inside test header
and installed the SCV in it’s place an piped the suction line in ¼” soft
copper.  Joe from ClaVal had retired (too bad) but we managed to get a hold
of a knowledgeable outside tech who helped us out.  Seemed the ‘preferred’
location was between the discharge and pump check (not after) and the
sensing line be ½” right from the suction gauge tap (1/4”) to the operator
inlet (1/8”).  Once we changed that, it worked perfectly.  Happy birthday
GLC.

Go Red Sox.

 

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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

 

It is required to be an OS and located between the suction flange and the
fire pump bypass.  No preference on manufacturer other than complying with
the specifications.

 

Merle

 

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I have to put a suction control valve on a fire pump for the first time. I’m
assuming it goes on the suction side of the pump. Does it go before or after
the RPZ backflow? Anyone have any preferences as to brand or model; this one
is an 8”. First time in 45 years of doing this.

 

Richard L. Mote CET

Rimrock Design Services, LLC

Middleburg, PA 17842

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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

2024-04-12 Thread Jay Potvin 
We work in a jurisdiction that requires these on all fire pump installation,  
they are installed on the discharge before the check valve and the there is a 
sensing line piped back to the suction side of the pump, usually into the OS 
½" plug with copper or brass.


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It is required to be an OS and located between the suction flange and the 
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I have to put a suction control valve on a fire pump for the first time. I'm 
assuming it goes on the suction side of the pump. Does it go before or after 
the RPZ backflow? Anyone have any preferences as to brand or model; this one is 
an 8". First time in 45 years of doing this.

Richard L. Mote CET
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

2024-04-12 Thread Merle Hittle 
It is required to be an OS and located between the suction flange and the 
fire pump bypass.  No preference on manufacturer other than complying with the 
specifications.

Merle

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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Suction Control Valve

I have to put a suction control valve on a fire pump for the first time. I'm 
assuming it goes on the suction side of the pump. Does it go before or after 
the RPZ backflow? Anyone have any preferences as to brand or model; this one is 
an 8". First time in 45 years of doing this.

Richard L. Mote CET
Rimrock Design Services, LLC
Middleburg, PA 17842
Mobile 570-541-2685
EMAIL 
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WEB: www.rimrockdesignservicesllc.com

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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

2024-04-12 Thread Worley, Tom 
Suction control goes after the pump, before the check.   Has a sensing line to 
the gate valve before the pump that controls it. We use ClaVal

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I have to put a suction control valve on a fire pump for the first time. I’m 
assuming it goes on the suction side of the pump. Does it go before or after 
the RPZ backflow? Anyone have any preferences as to brand or model; this one is 
an 8”. First time in 45 years of doing this.

Richard L. Mote CET
Rimrock Design Services, LLC
Middleburg, PA 17842
Mobile 570-541-2685
EMAIL 
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Suction Control Valve

2024-04-12 Thread Travis Mack 
Check your data sheets.  If these are the same ones I'm thinking of, it goes on 
the discharge side of the fire pump.  The data sheet will be very clear on it.

Look at page 3 of 3 in this link: 
https://www.zurn.com/media-library/web_documents/pdfs/specsheets/acv-zw215fp-pdf

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I have to put a suction control valve on a fire pump for the first time. I'm 
assuming it goes on the suction side of the pump. Does it go before or after 
the RPZ backflow? Anyone have any preferences as to brand or model; this one is 
an 8". First time in 45 years of doing this.

Richard L. Mote CET
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