Re: British Renaissance and sundials
Yes, I've seen it now, and enjoy it very much Thanks to those that made it easy for non British dwellers Hoping for a new chapter Roser Raluy 2014-03-23 4:05 GMT+01:00 Dave Bell db...@thebells.net: Yes - great presentation! 101, when I viewed it. Question, primarily for those who saw it on BBC TV: What happened to the music for *Spem in Alium*?!? Total choral silence throughout that segment! Dave -- *From:* sundial [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] *On Behalf Of *rod wall1...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:32 PM *To:* Sundial Group *Subject:* Re: British Renaissance and sundials Hi Thierry, I didn't go to BBC iplayer, I went straight to Youtube. I have downloadeda few goo d BBC Science shows and I remembered this. Good to remember that BBC shows maybe on Youtube. I Note that when I viewed the video there was 76 viewers. There are now 96 in the last hour. I wonder how many are from our group? It was only put on Youtube on the 21 March. Regards, Roderick Wall. *From:* Thierry van Steenberghe t...@idp-co.be *Sent:* Sunday, 23 March, 2014 9:18 AM *To:* Rod Wall rodwall1...@gmail.com Dear Roderick, thanks a lot for this, I watched the video with utmost pleasure, especially after the frustration of seeing the BBC iplayer video being forbidden from outside UK... I hope the second part of this excellent broadcast will also be available on YouTube! Kindest regards, Thierry ___ Thierry van Steenberghe Brussels ___ On 22/03/2014 21:44, rodwall1...@gmail.com wrote: It is on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGqgswZ3FJk A good video converter that converts Youtube videos which you can then d ownload your own personal copy: http://world.onlinevideoconverter.com/free-video-converter.aspx# Roderick Wall. *From:* fwsaw...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, 23 March, 2014 6:26 AM *To:* araignee araig...@etesseract.com *Cc:* Sundial Group sundial@uni-koeln.de See https://vpnreviewer.com/bestukvpn-com-review for info on bestukvpn which allows free connection to the BBC iplayer from US accounts. Fred Sawyer On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM, araignee araig...@etesseract.com wrote: Hello, Thanks for the link. But in the U.S. we get this message: Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. The mysteries of big business... Regards, David David Coffeen, Ph.D. TESSERACT Box 151 Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706 1-914-478-2594 m...@etesseract.com www.etesseract.com On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:35 AM, Gabriele Kuhn wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03yzjy6/A_Very_British_Renaissance_The_Renaissance_Arrives/ gabriele.k...@btinternet.com On 21 Mar 2014, at 22:06, Douglas Bateman wrote: I have just seen an excellent BBC programme called A Very British Renaissance. The presenter, Dr James Fox, included the painting by Holbein - The Ambassadors, and gave full credit to Nicholas Kratzner with the presenter handling Kratzner's personal polyhedral dial. He also cond ucted an interview with one of our top dial makers, Joanna Migdal, in her studio. I gather not all will be able to see the BBC iPlayer, but worth a try. Perhaps some clever member could extract the relevant section of the programme. Best wishes, Doug --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: British Renaissance and sundials
Hi Doug, Elizabeth et al, Yes, the James Fox programme on the English Renaissance was interesting - though not absolutely correct with its facts. When describing Nicholas Kratzer's contribution to dialling, it was actually misleading and tended to perpetuate the myth that Kratzer introduced dialling to England (rather than just popularising it). Kratzer wasn't brought to Britain by Henry VIII to look after his clocks. He came first to work for Sir Thomas More, quite possibly after an introduction by their common contact Erasmus. He then went to work for Cardinal Wolsey at Oxford and then to Henry. Our Nicholas was quick to smell the way that the political wind was blowing and work his way up the tree! Kratzer was not an inventive dialler and his grasp of dialling (gained from copying out manuscripts - already 'old' - in a Bavarian monastery) was shaky. The late Peter Drinkwater (one of the few proper diallists to study Kratzer's notebooks in the Bodeian) was fairly dismissive of his abilities. Fox's demonstration of the operation of the Kratzer portable dial in the Oxford MHS using a torch was also misleading - it made it look as though the sloping edges of the gnomons were polar-oriented, which they aren't. The next episode in the series will include a visit to Sir Thomas Tresham's famous Triangular Lodge, with all its crazy Catholic symbolism. Look out for the three sundials, the one on the north face with a gnomon repositioned upside-down. [English Heritage, who look after the building, were told many years ago but took no notice.] So, enjoy the series by all means but remember the Royal Society's motto of Nullius in verba! Regards, John --- Dr J Davis Flowton Dials http://www.flowton-dials.co.uk/ BSS Editor http://www.sundialsoc.org.uk/bulletin.php From: Douglas Bateman douglas.bate...@btinternet.com To: Sundial list sundial@uni-koeln.de Sent: Friday, 21 March 2014, 22:06 Subject: British Renaissance and sundials I have just seen an excellent BBC programme called A Very British Renaissance. The presenter, Dr James Fox, included the painting by Holbein - The Ambassadors, and gave full credit to Nicholas Kratzner with the presenter handling Kratzner's personal polyhedral dial. He also conducted an interview with one of our top dial makers, Joanna Migdal, in her studio. I gather not all will be able to see the BBC iPlayer, but worth a try. Perhaps some clever member could extract the relevant section of the programme. Best wishes, Doug --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: British Renaissance and sundials
Hello, Thanks for the link. But in the U.S. we get this message: Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. The mysteries of big business... Regards, David David Coffeen, Ph.D. TESSERACT Box 151 Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706 1-914-478-2594 m...@etesseract.com www.etesseract.com On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:35 AM, Gabriele Kuhn wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03yzjy6/A_Very_British_Renaissance_The_Renaissance_Arrives/ gabriele.k...@btinternet.com On 21 Mar 2014, at 22:06, Douglas Bateman wrote: I have just seen an excellent BBC programme called A Very British Renaissance. The presenter, Dr James Fox, included the painting by Holbein - The Ambassadors, and gave full credit to Nicholas Kratzner with the presenter handling Kratzner's personal polyhedral dial. He also conducted an interview with one of our top dial makers, Joanna Migdal, in her studio. I gather not all will be able to see the BBC iPlayer, but worth a try. Perhaps some clever member could extract the relevant section of the programme. Best wishes, Doug --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: British Renaissance and sundials
Hello, it's true, same thing happens in Spain. But John Davis remarks were very interesting, thanks Roser Raluy 2014-03-22 16:29 GMT+01:00 araignee araig...@etesseract.com: Hello, Thanks for the link. But in the U.S. we get this message: Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. The mysteries of big business... Regards, David David Coffeen, Ph.D. TESSERACT Box 151 Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706 1-914-478-2594 m...@etesseract.com www.etesseract.com On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:35 AM, Gabriele Kuhn wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03yzjy6/A_Very_British_Renaissance_The_Renaissance_Arrives/ gabriele.k...@btinternet.com On 21 Mar 2014, at 22:06, Douglas Bateman wrote: I have just seen an excellent BBC programme called A Very British Renaissance. The presenter, Dr James Fox, included the painting by Holbein - The Ambassadors, and gave full credit to Nicholas Kratzner with the presenter handling Kratzner's personal polyhedral dial. He also conducted an interview with one of our top dial makers, Joanna Migdal, in her studio. I gather not all will be able to see the BBC iPlayer, but worth a try. Perhaps some clever member could extract the relevant section of the programme. Best wishes, Doug --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: British Renaissance and sundials
On 22/03/2014 10:48, John Davis wrote:
Hi Doug, Elizabeth et
al,
Yes, the James Fox
programme on the English Renaissance was interesting -
though not absolutely correct with its facts. When
describing Nicholas Kratzer's contribution to dialling, it
was actually misleading and tended to perpetuate the myth
that Kratzer introduced dialling to England (rather than
just popularising it).
Kratzer wasn't "brought to
Britain" by Henry VIII to look after his clocks. He came first
to work for Sir Thomas More, quite possibly after an
introduction by their common contact Erasmus. He then went to
work for Cardinal Wolsey at Oxford and then to Henry. Our
Nicholas was quick to smell the way that the political wind
was blowing and work his way up the tree!
Kratzer was not an
inventive dialler and his grasp of dialling (gained from
copying out manuscripts - already 'old' - in a Bavarian
monastery) was shaky. The late Peter Drinkwater (one of the
few proper diallists to study Kratzer's notebooks in the
Bodeian) was fairly dismissive of his abilities.
Fox's demonstration of the
operation of the Kratzer portable dial in the Oxford MHS using
a torch was also misleading - it made it look as though the
sloping edges of the gnomons were polar-oriented, which they
aren't.
The next episode in the
series will include a visit to Sir Thomas Tresham's famous
Triangular Lodge, with all its crazy Catholic symbolism. Look
out for the three sundials, the one on the north face with a
gnomon repositioned upside-down. [English Heritage, who look
after the building, were told many years ago but took no
notice.]
So, enjoy the
series by all means but remember the Royal Society's motto
of Nullius in
verba!
Regards,
John
---
Dr J Davis
Flowton Dialshttp://www.flowton-dials.co.uk/
BSS Editorhttp://www.sundialsoc.org.uk/bulletin.php
From: Douglas
Bateman douglas.bate...@btinternet.com
To:
Sundial list sundial@uni-koeln.de
Sent:
Friday, 21 March 2014, 22:06
Subject:
British Renaissance and sundials
I have just seen an excellent BBC programme called A Very
British Renaissance. The presenter, Dr James Fox, included
the painting by Holbein - The Ambassadors, and gave full
credit to Nicholas Kratzner with the presenter handling
Kratzner's personal polyhedral dial. He also conducted an
interview with one of our top dial makers, Joanna Migdal,
in her studio.
I gather not all will be able to see the BBC iPlayer, but
worth a try. Perhaps some clever member could extract the
relevant section of the programme.
Best wishes, Doug
---
https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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It's a pity that they haven't followed their own motto when it comes
to 'catastrophic anthropogenic global warming' but that's a
discussion for another day :-)
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Eaton Bray, Dunstable
South Beds. UK
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Re: British Renaissance and sundials
It is on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGqgswZ3FJk A good video converter that converts Youtube videos which you can then download your own personal copy: http://world.onlinevideoconverter.com/free-video-converter.aspx# Roderick Wall. From: fwsaw...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 6:26 AM To: araignee Cc: Sundial Group See https://vpnreviewer.com/bestukvpn-com-review for info on bestukvpn which allows free connection to the BBC iplayer from US accounts. Fred Sawyer On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM, araignee araig...@etesseract.com wrote: Hello, Thanks for the link. But in the U.S. we get this message: Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. The mysteries of big business... Regards, David David Coffeen, Ph.D. TESSERACT Box 151 Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706 1-914-478-2594 m...@etesseract.com www.etesseract.com On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:35 AM, Gabriele Kuhn wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03yzjy6/A_Very_British_Renaissance_The_Renaissance_Arrives/ gabriele.k...@btinternet.com On 21 Mar 2014, at 22:06, Douglas Bateman wrote: I have just seen an excellent BBC programme called A Very British Renaissance. The presenter, Dr James Fox, included the painting by Holbein - The Ambassadors, and gave full credit to Nicholas Kratzner with the presenter handling Kratzner's personal polyhedral dial. He also conducted an interview with one of our top dial makers, Joanna Migdal, in her studio. I gather not all will be able to see the BBC iPlayer, but worth a try. Perhaps some clever member could extract the relevant section of the programme. Best wishes, Doug --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: British Renaissance and sundials
Hi Thierry, I didn’t go to BBC iplayer, I went straight to Youtube. I have downloaded a few good BBC Science shows and I remembered this. Good to remember that BBC shows maybe on Youtube. I Note that when I viewed the video there was 76 viewers. There are now 96 in the last hour. I wonder how many are from our group? It was only put on Youtube on the 21 March. Regards, Roderick Wall. From: Thierry van Steenberghe Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 9:18 AM To: Rod Wall Dear Roderick, thanks a lot for this, I watched the video with utmost pleasure, especially after the frustration of seeing the BBC iplayer video being forbidden from outside UK... I hope the second part of this excellent broadcast will also be available on YouTube! Kindest regards, Thierry ___ Thierry van Steenberghe Brussels ___ On 22/03/2014 21:44, rodwall1...@gmail.com wrote: It is on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGqgswZ3FJk A good video converter that converts Youtube videos which you can then download your own personal copy: http://world.onlinevideoconverter.com/free-video-converter.aspx# Roderick Wall. From: fwsaw...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 6:26 AM To: araignee Cc: Sundial Group See https://vpnreviewer.com/bestukvpn-com-review for info on bestukvpn which allows free connection to the BBC iplayer from US accounts. Fred Sawyer On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM, araignee araig...@etesseract.com wrote: Hello, Thanks for the link. But in the U.S. we get this message: Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. The mysteries of big business... Regards, David David Coffeen, Ph.D. TESSERACT Box 151 Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706 1-914-478-2594 m...@etesseract.com www.etesseract.com On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:35 AM, Gabriele Kuhn wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03yzjy6/A_Very_British_Renaissance_The_Renaissance_Arrives/ gabriele.k...@btinternet.com On 21 Mar 2014, at 22:06, Douglas Bateman wrote: I have just seen an excellent BBC programme called A Very British Renaissance. The presenter, Dr James Fox, included the painting by Holbein - The Ambassadors, and gave full credit to Nicholas Kratzner with the presenter handling Kratzner's personal polyhedral dial. He also conducted an interview with one of our top dial makers, Joanna Migdal, in her studio. I gather not all will be able to see the BBC iPlayer, but worth a try. Perhaps some clever member could extract the relevant section of the programme. Best wishes, Doug --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: British Renaissance and sundials
Yes – great presentation! 101, when I viewed it. Question, primarily for those who saw it on BBC TV: What happened to the music for Spem in Alium?!? Total choral silence throughout that segment! Dave _ From: sundial [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of rodwall1...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:32 PM To: Sundial Group Subject: Re: British Renaissance and sundials Hi Thierry, I didn’t go to BBC iplayer, I went straight to Youtube. I have downloaded a few good BBC Science shows and I remembered this. Good to remember that BBC shows maybe on Youtube. I Note that when I viewed the video there was 76 viewers. There are now 96 in the last hour. I wonder how many are from our group? It was only put on Youtube on the 21 March. Regards, Roderick Wall. From: Thierry van Steenberghe mailto:t...@idp-co.be Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 9:18 AM To: Rod Wall mailto:rodwall1...@gmail.com Dear Roderick, thanks a lot for this, I watched the video with utmost pleasure, especially after the frustration of seeing the BBC iplayer video being forbidden from outside UK... I hope the second part of this excellent broadcast will also be available on YouTube! Kindest regards, Thierry ___ Thierry van Steenberghe Brussels ___ On 22/03/2014 21:44, rodwall1...@gmail.com wrote: It is on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGqgswZ3FJk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGqgswZ3FJk A good video converter that converts Youtube videos which you can then download your own personal copy: http://world.onlinevideoconverter.com/free-video-converter.aspx http://world.onlinevideoconverter.com/free-video-converter.aspx# Roderick Wall. From: fwsaw...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 6:26 AM To: araignee mailto:araig...@etesseract.com Cc: Sundial Group mailto:sundial@uni-koeln.de See https://vpnreviewer.com/bestukvpn-com-review for info on bestukvpn which allows free connection to the BBC iplayer from US accounts. Fred Sawyer On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM, araignee araig...@etesseract.com wrote: Hello, Thanks for the link. But in the U.S. we get this message: Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. The mysteries of big business... Regards, David David Coffeen, Ph.D. TESSERACT Box 151 Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706 1-914-478-2594 m...@etesseract.com www.etesseract.com On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:35 AM, Gabriele Kuhn wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03yzjy6/A_Very_British_Renaissance_The _Renaissance_Arrives/ gabriele.k...@btinternet.com On 21 Mar 2014, at 22:06, Douglas Bateman wrote: I have just seen an excellent BBC programme called A Very British Renaissance. The presenter, Dr James Fox, included the painting by Holbein - The Ambassadors, and gave full credit to Nicholas Kratzner with the presenter handling Kratzner's personal polyhedral dial. He also conducted an interview with one of our top dial makers, Joanna Migdal, in her studio. I gather not all will be able to see the BBC iPlayer, but worth a try. Perhaps some clever member could extract the relevant section of the programme. Best wishes, Doug --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
British Renaissance and sundials
I have just seen an excellent BBC programme called A Very British Renaissance. The presenter, Dr James Fox, included the painting by Holbein - The Ambassadors, and gave full credit to Nicholas Kratzner with the presenter handling Kratzner's personal polyhedral dial. He also conducted an interview with one of our top dial makers, Joanna Migdal, in her studio. I gather not all will be able to see the BBC iPlayer, but worth a try. Perhaps some clever member could extract the relevant section of the programme. Best wishes, Doug --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
