Re: [Suspend-devel] why do we switch to the console, where the kernel messages are printed?

2006-11-07 Thread Stefan Seyfried
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 02:28:26PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
 The same parameter works for 'resume', but currenty it needs to be set in
 the config file.  However, when I finally apply the command-line-parsing 
 patch,
 it'll be easy to add a command line switch for that.

The module loading takes place after resuming, and we hopefully do not have
to change the system wide loglevel after resume. It is generally nice to have
the kernel messages on a dedicated console, just not mixed up with the s2disk
messages :-)

However, if the reason it is done that way is just because we like it and
not a technical reason, i have no problem patching this in the SUSE package
to use vt63.
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Re: [Suspend-devel] why do we switch to the console, where the kernel messages are printed?

2006-11-07 Thread Rafael J. Wysocki
On Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:11, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 02:28:26PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
  The same parameter works for 'resume', but currenty it needs to be set in
  the config file.  However, when I finally apply the command-line-parsing 
  patch,
  it'll be easy to add a command line switch for that.
 
 The module loading takes place after resuming, and we hopefully do not have
 to change the system wide loglevel after resume. It is generally nice to have
 the kernel messages on a dedicated console, just not mixed up with the s2disk
 messages :-)

Now that's strange, because the suspend loglevel (set by s2disk) should be the
current one after resuming and s2disk should switch it back to the original
one.

[BTW the kernel messages are available from dmesg anyway.] 

 However, if the reason it is done that way is just because we like it and
 not a technical reason, i have no problem patching this in the SUSE package
 to use vt63.

We discussed it in detail when this code was being written and the reason
was certainly technical, because we had added a ioctl() to the kernel for
that, but I don't remember what it was.  I'll try to find it in the list 
archives.

Still you can patch the SUSE package anyway. ;-)


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Re: [Suspend-devel] why do we switch to the console, where the kernel messages are printed?

2006-11-07 Thread Rafael J. Wysocki
On Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:32, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
 On Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:11, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
  On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 02:28:26PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
   The same parameter works for 'resume', but currenty it needs to be set in
   the config file.  However, when I finally apply the command-line-parsing 
   patch,
   it'll be easy to add a command line switch for that.
  
  The module loading takes place after resuming, and we hopefully do not have
  to change the system wide loglevel after resume. It is generally nice to 
  have
  the kernel messages on a dedicated console, just not mixed up with the 
  s2disk
  messages :-)
 
 Now that's strange, because the suspend loglevel (set by s2disk) should be the
 current one after resuming and s2disk should switch it back to the original
 one.

Well, I've just tested it and it works as expected.  Namely, if
'suspend loglevel' is set to 1, there are no kernel messages on the terminal
during the suspend as well as after the resume.

Besides, I think it's not a good idea to use a hardcoded terminal number,
because it may be used by someone else and then unexpected things may ensue.


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Re: [Suspend-devel] [Suspend2-users] Re: [PATCH] select ususpend method based on battery charge

2006-11-07 Thread Kenneth Crudup

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Nigel Cunningham wrote:

 http://www.suspend2.net/downloads is probably better because it's
 clearer what the current version is.

Heh. Actually, I prefer the URL:

  http://www.suspend2.net/downloads/all/?C=M;O=A

scroll down to the bottom, and you're at the latest.

-Kenny

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Re: [Suspend-devel] why do we switch to the console, where the kernel messages are printed?

2006-11-07 Thread Stefan Seyfried
On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 10:02:07PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
 On Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:32, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
  On Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:11, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
   On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 02:28:26PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
The same parameter works for 'resume', but currenty it needs to be set 
in
the config file.  However, when I finally apply the 
command-line-parsing patch,
it'll be easy to add a command line switch for that.
   
   The module loading takes place after resuming, and we hopefully do not 
   have
   to change the system wide loglevel after resume. It is generally nice to 
   have
   the kernel messages on a dedicated console, just not mixed up with the 
   s2disk
   messages :-)
  
  Now that's strange, because the suspend loglevel (set by s2disk) should be 
  the
  current one after resuming and s2disk should switch it back to the original
  one.
 
 Well, I've just tested it and it works as expected.  Namely, if
 'suspend loglevel' is set to 1, there are no kernel messages on the terminal
 during the suspend as well as after the resume.

And if you now load a new module, will you get those messages again on the
kernel console? If yes, you'll probably also get the module loading stuff
after resume there (assuming the loglevel before was big enough to display
them)
 
 Besides, I think it's not a good idea to use a hardcoded terminal number,
 because it may be used by someone else and then unexpected things may ensue.

Well, pm-utils opens vt63 anyway, and we always used vt63 in the past without
problems :-)

But i'm not religious about this, this is something that might very well
be best handled in a distro patch - that's why i asked if there are other
reasons than i like it better that way, which in itself is a perfectly
valid reason :-)
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QA / RD Team Mobile Devices|  Any ideas, John?
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SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nürnberg  |  -- Linus Torvalds

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