[biofuels-biz] Sanction to CEPSA ( spanish petrol operator ). The text
THE COMPETITION COURT HAS DETERMINATED : First. Declare that Cepsa Fuel-Stations S.A and Spanish Petrol Company CEPSA S.A. realized practices, banned by the article 1.1 of the Spanish Law of Defense of the Competition, when they stablished the prices of the fuels, when they are selled to the general public by the Dealers. Second. Intimate to these societies to immediately cease in this practice of stablishing the prices in the relations with the dealer ( fuel-stations ). Third. Sanction to Cepsa Estaciones de Servicio S.A.and to Compaa Espaola de Petrleos S.A. (C.E.P.S.A), jointly and solidly , to a FINE of 200 million ptas. ( 1.20 million euros ). Fourth. Order to both companies to publish, within two months, of this Resolution in the Oficial Bulletin of the State and in the Economy Section of one of the newspapers of general information with more circulation in the country. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Some sollutions
Once published the resolution of the Defense Court, it«s time to try to find sollutions for a cleaner hydrocarbure Market. - For sure, it«s very important the the PETROL OPERATORS ( like the sanctioned Cepsa ) cannot own FUEL-STATIONS by they own. Nearly the 50 % of the CEPSA dealer Fuel-station are fuel-stations owned by the CEPSA itself. This is not a good thing for new fuels, like biodiesels. If CEPSA deciedes not to sell biodiesel, you cannot sell it to the CEPSA fuel-stations. The best it that CEPSA must sell all they fuel-stations to another persons, using the franchise system or similarly, but that CEPSA Petrol Operator ( and none petrol operator ) cannot own ( or rent ) any fuel-stations So, there must be a SPLIT in the owning between Petrol Companies and Fuel-Stations. - It«s an error stablish the free prices. It«s more interesting for the user CEPSA Petrol Operator only can determinate the MAXIMUM price of the fuel, but not the minumum ( so, the fuel-station owner can rise the prices ). .- It«s interesting register the General Conditions of the contracts between the Petrol Operators and the Fuel-Stations, so the Defense Court can more easily determinate and persecute illegal anticompetition contracts ( now, there are similar requeriments for telecoms, gas and so on ). - We need more Hydrocarbure Operators ( like the biodieseler ones ). For this, it«s necessary that Little Companies can be Petrol ( more accurately Hydrocarbure ) Operators without the need of own 500 million ptas ( 3 million euros !!!). The law-maker forgets the littles companies ( to help the big petrol operator and ban the entry to this market of the little biodiesel companies ). - For Little Hydrocarbure Companies ( like the biodieselers ), one have to pay a lot of taxes ( duties, and so on ). There is a minimum tax that you have to pay, independently the production of hydrocarbure you produce ( this is another - oligopoly - guarantee for the big petrol companies ). - It«s very important promote the INDEPENDENT FUEL-STATIONS, to which the biodiesel hydrocarbure operators can sell their biodiesel fuel. If you sell your biodiesel to a nowadays Petrol Operator ( CEPSA, REPSOL and so on ) Fuel-station, they won«t buy it, because they are ordened by this dominant petrol operator. Your only hope are the independent fuel-stations. In the near future, I supose the exclusivity contracts between Hydrocarbure Operators and Fuel-Stations are going to be BANNED, for a free Market. For sure, these problem are similar for the rest of the European Union ( and in the U.S.A. I suposse :? All the best. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Some sollutions
Hi Pedro What about personal use (make your own) and off-road use, ie farms etc? Then you could at least promote biofuels and help to create some awareness and a demand. best Keith Addison Once published the resolution of the Defense Court, it«s time to try to find sollutions for a cleaner hydrocarbure Market. - For sure, it«s very important the the PETROL OPERATORS ( like the sanctioned Cepsa ) cannot own FUEL-STATIONS by they own. Nearly the 50 % of the CEPSA dealer Fuel-station are fuel-stations owned by the CEPSA itself. This is not a good thing for new fuels, like biodiesels. If CEPSA deciedes not to sell biodiesel, you cannot sell it to the CEPSA fuel-stations. The best it that CEPSA must sell all they fuel-stations to another persons, using the franchise system or similarly, but that CEPSA Petrol Operator ( and none petrol operator ) cannot own ( or rent ) any fuel-stations So, there must be a SPLIT in the owning between Petrol Companies and Fuel-Stations. - It«s an error stablish the free prices. It«s more interesting for the user CEPSA Petrol Operator only can determinate the MAXIMUM price of the fuel, but not the minumum ( so, the fuel-station owner can rise the prices ). .- It«s interesting register the General Conditions of the contracts between the Petrol Operators and the Fuel-Stations, so the Defense Court can more easily determinate and persecute illegal anticompetition contracts ( now, there are similar requeriments for telecoms, gas and so on ). - We need more Hydrocarbure Operators ( like the biodieseler ones ). For this, it«s necessary that Little Companies can be Petrol ( more accurately Hydrocarbure ) Operators without the need of own 500 million ptas ( 3 million euros !!!). The law-maker forgets the littles companies ( to help the big petrol operator and ban the entry to this market of the little biodiesel companies ). - For Little Hydrocarbure Companies ( like the biodieselers ), one have to pay a lot of taxes ( duties, and so on ). There is a minimum tax that you have to pay, independently the production of hydrocarbure you produce ( this is another - oligopoly - guarantee for the big petrol companies ). - It«s very important promote the INDEPENDENT FUEL-STATIONS, to which the biodiesel hydrocarbure operators can sell their biodiesel fuel. If you sell your biodiesel to a nowadays Petrol Operator ( CEPSA, REPSOL and so on ) Fuel-station, they won«t buy it, because they are ordened by this dominant petrol operator. Your only hope are the independent fuel-stations. In the near future, I supose the exclusivity contracts between Hydrocarbure Operators and Fuel-Stations are going to be BANNED, for a free Market. For sure, these problem are similar for the rest of the European Union ( and in the U.S.A. I suposse :? All the best. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cotton seed oil.
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was asked today why there was a ban on feeding cotton meal and oil to stock (the Japanese found residual pesticide in Australian beef) but the oil was recommended for human cooking. Does anyone know how or if the contaminants can be removed? Harry the cottenseed oil that I process comes from 2 sources. ETA Food Services Cottenseed Oil, Ingredients, Cottenseed Oil, Antioxidant (319) 0.01%, Antifoam (900) and Formula 40 from Peerless Holdings. Depends upon which source local fish and chip shop buys from. Was going to lubch on fish and chips tomorrow but now you have me worried with that residue bit. Might quiz the suppliers. I'm in the midst of my first cotton seed batch. Some one asked about using the centrifuge for testing purity. I do intend to test some product by adding more alcohol and lye to a sample and seperating the glycerol with the centrifuge but I'm waiting for some proper centifuge tubes. Might be able to help you out there Harry. Seem to have a glut of glass graduated centrifuge tubes, 15mml capacity. Contact me via my email address and we will see if they will fit your centrifuge. Ran a test using the centrifuge today with the aim of determining yield vs mixing time. 1L beaker,500ml Cottenseed oil 55 deg C, 3g NaOH dissolved in 200ml methanol, hotplate stirrer (temp maintained 55 deg C), 5cm spin bar, fastest speed spin bar would take (dimple on oil surface but no vortex). 15ml sample extracted every 15min, centrifuged and ammount of glycerine deposit read. On addition of methanol extra stirring was given to ensure mixing. Oil/methanol mix murky at first but after 10-15 min stirring cleared and liquid had esterlike smell. Results were inconclusive. 15ml gave 1.6ml deposit after 15min reaction. This remained fairly constant up till the 1 hour mark where it climbed to 1.8ml. However it dropped back after that. The centrifuge tube was being filled with a 10ml graduated pipette. First fill OK, sucked up dumped straight in. Top up to 15 ml mark involved refilling pipette and draining pipette slowly till 15ml mark was reached. Noticed during the latter stages of this test that the glycerine was actually settling out in the pipette as it was slowly drained, thereby enriching the test sample. Will make two batches, stir one for 15min only the other for two hours, let them settle overnight and then test for completemess of reaction by adding more methoxide,mix,cenrtifuge. I was ammazed at how quickly the glycerine separates out. Just allowing it to stand in the tube without centrifuging gave a deposit of 1.45ml (granted not as pure) after 20 minutes. Depending upon results will increase NaOH ammount, but suspect 6g/L is near optimum for this oil as last time I tried increased ammounts ended up with whitish gel amongst the glycerine. Would prefer to er on low side than have to deal with that stuff on a larger scale. I view of rapid settling of glycerine am looking at drawing it off early in process, washing on remaining glycerine(Idaho 20-20-20 technique) and heat drying. If I can get the washing side worked out this cottenseed looks to be a good feedstock for BD production. Any suggestions anyone? Regards Paul. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cotton seed oil.
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know how or if the contaminants can be removed? It's called gossypol, a toxin, and also currently under research as a possible male contraceptive. Cottonseed oil used for cooking must've been detoxified. Keith Addison Thanks Keith, you are a mine of information. Regards Paul. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 40 acres and a mule...er, tractor
Give or take a bit, 40 acres would produce 25,000 litres of biodiesel, but would require input of 5000 litres of methanol - probably from petroleum origin Best seed is rape - over 40% oil content Hempseed is about 21% Excluding exotics, such as coco etc Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated??
I had the same problem with early versions of our SVO system. Idle problems are caused by one of two things: 1) air in the system 2) insufficient fuel delivery due to inadequate heating of the SVO. The VW does not have a separate fuel pump (lift pump) and needs a booster pump added to the SVO system to work properly. We have a pump that has worked well so far, where others (usual brand name electric inline fuel pumps) we've tried failed to handle the thicker SVO. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:27:59 - To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated?? Steve and or Greg, Have you solved the issue that you had with the idle? What was the solution or proposed solution? fred --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: above 150F (not so much for combustion, but to get the damn stuff through the filter and injectors.) electric would cause too much engine load. use engine coolant. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:38 PM Subject: [biofuel] svo. how much does it have to be heated?? this is kind of very interesting to learn. how hot does the vegatable oil have to be kept in order to combust?? relocating the fuel tank to the inside of the car would help to reduce the amount of heat needed to keep the vegatable oil warm. how cheap is vegatable oil?? also, with the fuel tank inside the car, couldnt it be possible to run a second alternator with the purpose of using all the current to heat with some sort of resistor element?? like the type used in a toaster oven?? or would that require way too much current?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] German nukes phaseout....
In my opinion substitution of wind power for nuclear (in this period of time and in this amount) is an un-realistic dream. (Schroder has shown to be more green than any green movement). Germans will sooner or later revise these shut-down plans and revisit their nuclear power. The similar story happened to Swedes several years ago (By 2000 all Swedish nuclear power stations were to be shut-down) and they still are in operation - at least till 2025 Jan Surwka (not stupid as I think, Pole the neighbor of Germans) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Jan, Got the correction on nuke phaseouts. The first two in the next two years, the balance by 2025. Don't be too sure that phasing out can't be done. Sure the G.W. Bushs and Cheneys are going to be laughing at anyone who would contend such a thing, all the while attempting to intimidate with their snyde remarks. Wouldn't surprise me if there's a bit of a back room gambit going on as we speak, trying to pressure a rethinking of such an itenerary. My personal belief is that it can be done. Whoever succedes at it first will become the envy and model of the contemporary world, not to mention a lot of sub-surface enmity. I give any nation a 100% chance of success in eliminating nukes, as long as they can keep the opposition dogs from taking chunks out of their heels along the way. There is an enormous difference between achieving what is possible and even economically prudent, rather than what is politically and economically expedient. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
DO NOT USE OPEN FLAME HEAT SOURCES was Re: [biofuel] going to brew first batch of biodiesel, some questions about pans, burners and thermometer
as for a burner how would one of those camping stoves that runs on liquid fuel work?? where can i buy a thermometer that will read the 150 or so degrees that is needed for the chemical reaction to occur?? .. I would suggest an electric skillet, filled one 1 inch with veg oil (water evaporates too readily), a metal 5 gallon paint bucket with lid. Wrap the bucke with R-19 insullation, using 2 clear box tape to secure it well. Lay a square of R-19 insulation on top of the lid and you have a pretty efficient heat source for shadetree use. AS FOR OPEN FLAME HEAT SOURCES. Such a heat source would border, if not exceed the limits of sanity. You are asking for an instantaneous or nearly instantaneous disaster. YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT HIT YOU. Or if you eventually do, you will regret it the rest of your life. !!!ALCOHOL VAPOR IS EXTREMELY COMBUSTIBLE! Only perform such a foolish trick if your intent is to thin the gene pool and there are no other persons within 100 yards. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] 40 acres and a mule...er, tractor
I've been a lurker for quite some time, and now I have a question: The old standard for self sufficiency after the US Civil War was 40 acres and a mule for freed slaves. Back to the future: Most farms in the USA use diesel tractors...the question is, how much bio-diesel can 40 acres produce? Would I need more than 40 acres for livestock, crops, crop rotation, and allowing for letting fields lie fallow? nWhich is the most efficient crop to grow for bio-diesel? Hemp? Rapeseed? Other? Thanks in advance. :-) Jerome (Dragonfly) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol availability
www.methanex.com 1800 Waterfront Centre 200 Burrard Street Vancouver, BC V6C 3M1 CANADA One of the largest in the world. How many tanker loads do we wish to order today, sir? :-) Ed B. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] methanol availability I am in British Columbia. I can not find methanol. . Check bulk fuel suppliers. Not only do they supply fuel oils, petrol and the like, but can also obtain methanol easily in 55 gallon drums, if not already on hand. This should equate to ~$2.00 - $2.25 US a gallon. Some of the bulk fuel suppliers sell methanol at the pump. These are usually ones that have a large racing clientele. Also check propane distributors. They use methanol as a drying agent in their bulk tanks. They should be able to point you to their supplier or order it for you. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] German nukes phaseout....
How many are aware of the on and offshore wind farms already built or in various stages? Massive turbines!! See http://www.windpower.dk for example... - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] German nukes phaseout In my opinion substitution of wind power for nuclear (in this period of time and in this amount) is an un-realistic dream. (Schroder has shown to be more green than any green movement). Germans will sooner or later revise these shut-down plans and revisit their nuclear power. The similar story happened to Swedes several years ago (By 2000 all Swedish nuclear power stations were to be shut-down) and they still are in operation - at least till 2025 Jan Surwka (not stupid as I think, Pole the neighbor of Germans) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Jan, Got the correction on nuke phaseouts. The first two in the next two years, the balance by 2025. Don't be too sure that phasing out can't be done. Sure the G.W. Bushs and Cheneys are going to be laughing at anyone who would contend such a thing, all the while attempting to intimidate with their snyde remarks. Wouldn't surprise me if there's a bit of a back room gambit going on as we speak, trying to pressure a rethinking of such an itenerary. My personal belief is that it can be done. Whoever succedes at it first will become the envy and model of the contemporary world, not to mention a lot of sub-surface enmity. I give any nation a 100% chance of success in eliminating nukes, as long as they can keep the opposition dogs from taking chunks out of their heels along the way. There is an enormous difference between achieving what is possible and even economically prudent, rather than what is politically and economically expedient. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: biodiesel processors
There are photos of different biodiesel processors on www.veggiepower.org.uk There are also my note on the continuous processor I'm building. A set of photos and maybe some drawing will appear at a later date. Simon Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Stirling engines
This URL has 22 interesting sites on Stirlings, mostly old and some new ones, including plans and kits. http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=stirlinglist Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: DO NOT USE OPEN FLAME HEAT SOURCES was Re: [biofuel] going to brew first batch of biodiesel, some questions about pans, burners and thermometer
I know of not one reason to heat the cooking oil to 150F to aid the reaction. At 140F, the methanol starts evaporating; 120F is fine. I got my thermometer from a store that sells kitchen items or a temperature gauge for a car for larger applications. I got a small one with a dial on top. It will help you when you convert your car to run on straight cooking oil. Greg -- Original Message -- From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:55:13 -0400 htmlbody tt as for a burner how would one of thoseBR camping stoves that runs on liquid fuel work?? whereBR can i buy a thermometer that will read the 150 or soBR degrees that is needed for the chemical reaction toBR occur??BR ..BR BR I would suggest an electric skillet, filled one 1 inch with veg oil (waterBR evaporates too readily), a metal 5 gallon paint bucket with lid. Wrap theBR bucke with R-19 insullation, using 2 clear box tape to secure it well. LayBR a square of R-19 insulation on top of the lid and you have a prettyBR efficient heat source for shadetree use.BR BR AS FOR OPEN FLAME HEAT SOURCES.BR BR Such a heat source would border, if not exceed the limits of sanity. You areBR asking for an instantaneous or nearly instantaneous disaster.BR BR YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT HIT YOU. Or if you eventually do, you will regretBR it the rest of your life.BR BR !!!ALCOHOL VAPOR IS EXTREMELYBR COMBUSTIBLE!BR BR Only perform such a foolish trick if your intent is to thin the gene poolBR and there are no other persons within 100 yards.BR BR ToddBR Appal EnergyBR [EMAIL PROTECTED]BR BR /tt br !-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -- table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 tr bgcolor=#CC td align=centerfont size=-1 color=#003399bYahoo! Groups Sponsor/b/font/td /tr tr bgcolor=#FF td width=470a href=http://rd.yahoo.com/M=190462.1393721.2979173.2/D=egroupmail/S=1700083269:N/A=551015/?http://www.debticated.com; target=_topimg width=468 height=60 src=http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/am/ameridebtt/debicatedbanner2.gif; alt=www.debticated.com border=0/a/td /tr trtdimg alt= width=1 height=1 src=http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=190462.1393721.2979173.2/D=egroupmail/S=1700083269:N/A=551015/rand=127971664;/td/tr /table !-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -- br tt Biofuel at Journey to Forever:BR a href=http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html;http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html/aBR Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. BR To unsubscribe, send an email to:BR [EMAIL PROTECTED]/tt br br ttYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the a href=http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/;Yahoo! Terms of Service/a./tt /br /body/html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] EREN Network News -- 06/13/01
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- June 13, 2001 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring: *News and Events DOE Swears in Garman to Head Efficiency, Renewables Green Power to Supply 20 Percent of Chicago's Electricity New York State Also Plans to Buy 20 Percent Green Power Solar Electric System to Form Facade of New York High-Rise Honda Insight Sets New Sales Record; New Model Available Solar Cars Hit the Road for U.S., International Car Races *Site News Fuel Cell World *Energy Facts and Tips National Research Council Reports on Global Warming *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- DOE Swears in Garman to Head Efficiency, Renewables DOE announced last week the swearing in of David Garman as the new Assistant Secretary of Energy for Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). Garman is the former chief of staff to Senator Frank Murkowski and served as a staff member on the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee from 1995 to 1998. See the DOE press release at: http://www.energy.gov/HQPress/releases01/junpr/pr01090.htm. As noted last week, one of Garman's first responsibilities will be the coordination of a review of the EERE programs, as called for in President Bush's National Energy Policy. As part of this review, the first two of seven public meetings were held yesterday in Chicago and Atlanta; additional public meetings will be held in Boston, Seattle, Denver, and Philadelphia next week, concluding in Washington, D.C., on June 26th. See the DOE press release at: http://www.energy.gov/HQPress/releases01/junpr/pr01092.htm. Green Power to Supply 20 Percent of Chicago's Electricity Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley announced last week that the city has chosen Commonwealth Edison (ComEd) to supply 20 percent of the city government's electrical needs from renewable energy sources. The city government has teamed with the Chicago Transit Authority, Chicago City Colleges, the Chicago Park District, and 48 suburban governments to buy power as a group. In the first year of the agreement, ComEd will supply 10 percent of the group's electricity needs from power plants fueled with methane recovered from landfills. Within five years, ComEd will add new renewable energy facilities, including wind and solar plants, to provide 20 percent of the group's electrical needs -- a total of 80 megawatts, or enough to power 80,000 homes. See the mayor's press release at: http://w4.ci.chi.il.us/Mayor/2001Press/news_press_cleanpower.html. Environmental Resources Trust (ERT), a non-profit organization, has certified the environmental benefits of the initial green power supplied by ComEd, and will work with ComEd in the coming years to certify all the green power supplied to the city. ERT will also oversee a reinvestment fund for renewable energy sources that will be generated by the city's green power purchase. ERT expects the fund to exceed $3 million within five years. See the ERT press release at: http://www.ert.net/release_6_6_2001.html. Mayor Daley first announced plans to buy the power in July 2000. See the July 26, 2000, edition of EREN Network News at: http://www.eren.doe.gov/newsletter/archives/2000/july26_00.html. New York State Also Plans to Buy 20 Percent Green Power New York Governor George E. Pataki issued an Executive Order on Sunday mandating that all state agencies purchase no less than 10 percent of their electricity from renewable energy sources by 2005. The green power mandate will increase to 20 percent by 2010. The Executive Order requires state agencies to implement energy efficient practices at state buildings, increase purchases of energy efficient products, and follow green building standards during new construction or substantial renovation projects. The governor also announced the formation of a New York State Greenhouse Gas Task Force to develop policy recommendations for greenhouse gas emissions and global warming. The task force will be comprised of representatives from the business community, environmental organizations, state agencies, and universities. The task force will report back to Governor Pataki with specific policy recommendations for incorporation in the New York State Energy Plan, a draft of which will be completed in December. A final report from the Greenhouse Gas Task Force is due by March 2002, and the final energy plan will be released in the spring of 2002. See the governor's press release at: http://www.state.ny.us/governor/press/year01/june10_01.htm. Solar Electric System to Form Facade of New York High-Rise AstroPower, Inc. announced
Re: [biofuel] 40 acres and a mule...er, tractor
Hi Jerome I've been a lurker for quite some time, and now I have a question: The old standard for self sufficiency after the US Civil War was 40 acres and a mule for freed slaves. That's a lot. Five Acres and Independence, they say, Three Acres and Liberty. If it was Chinese, there'd be eight farms supporting 40 people and hundreds of animals. Try this: Three Acres And Liberty by Bolton Hall, 1907, Macmillan - full text online: http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sovereigntylibrary/0302%20homestedlibra ry/030203/030203mainframe.html Then lie back and consider what luxury is yours with an entire 40 acres! Back to the future: Most farms in the USA use diesel tractors...the question is, how much bio-diesel can 40 acres produce? Lots - yield tables here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Would I need more than 40 acres for livestock, crops, crop rotation, and allowing for letting fields lie fallow? nWhich is the most efficient crop to grow for bio-diesel? Hemp? Rapeseed? Other? Don't let fields lie fallow, use a grass ley system and grazing animals to make a good profit while regenerating the land for years of successive crops. Here's the best system, full text online, a real classic: http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/010128elliot/010128toc.html Also, don't necessarily go for the oil crop with the highest yield, there are lots of other factors to consider - how it fits your cropping system, what other uses it has, by-products, crop waste values (fodder, mulch, compost material, biogas feedstock etc.). Consider the whole plant, the whole system, the whole farm. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Thanks in advance. :-) Jerome (Dragonfly) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cotton seed oil.
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know how or if the contaminants can be removed? It's called gossypol, a toxin, and also currently under research as a possible male contraceptive. Cottonseed oil used for cooking must've been detoxified. Keith Addison Thanks Keith, you are a mine of information. Regards Paul. Thank you, Paul - we do try. :-) Regards Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] 40 acres and a mule...er, tractor
Hey Fly. Think what determined 40 acres. Man and mule. A tractor can let you handle 200 acres and I think you can still make a living, if you do it right, on 200 acres. Making a living goes beyond subsistence. Also the capital investment in a tractor won't pencil on 40 acres. Maybe a Chinese mini-diesel but not a full size. Kirk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:23 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] 40 acres and a mule...er, tractor I've been a lurker for quite some time, and now I have a question: The old standard for self sufficiency after the US Civil War was 40 acres and a mule for freed slaves. Back to the future: Most farms in the USA use diesel tractors...the question is, how much bio-diesel can 40 acres produce? Would I need more than 40 acres for livestock, crops, crop rotation, and allowing for letting fields lie fallow? nWhich is the most efficient crop to grow for bio-diesel? Hemp? Rapeseed? Other? Thanks in advance. :-) Jerome (Dragonfly) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 5/31/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 5/31/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Cotton seed oil.
I don't know about the rest of the world but in the US the problem is cotton is not a food crop so the pesticide/herbicide laws don't apply. Then they extract oil from the cotton seed and pack oysters in it. I won't buy clams or oysters packed in cottonseed oil. A stupid loophole, another gotcha. So much for public safety. Kirk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 3:41 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Cotton seed oil. I was asked today why there was a ban on feeding cotton meal and oil to stock (the Japanese found residual pesticide in Australian beef) but the oil was recommended for human cooking. (Not actually cooking humans per se more cooking for human consumption) Does anyone know how or if the contaminants can be removed? I'm in the midst of my first cotton seed batch. Some one asked about using the centrifuge for testing purity. I do intend to test some product by adding more alcohol and lye to a sample and seperating the glycerol with the centrifuge but I'm waiting for some proper centifuge tubes. The plastic tubes I have been using are destroyed by the combination of the BD and the centrifuge. Harry Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 5/31/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 5/31/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver
Just checked with a place called Canada Colors, a chemical supplier on Annacis Island, this was the first place I checked, and their response is shown below. All prices in Canadian dollars. 163kg= approx. 163 litres 163 x$1.51 = $246/drum + taxes 45 US gallons (3.785 litres/US gallon) $3.65 (US$)/gallon, seems like a lot, compared to the other quotes I've heard, plus you can pick it up for that price in a 4 litre jug (Methyl Hydrate as it's called here) almost anywhere, ie. Walmart. I'll keep checking. I'll check with Methanex next, they actually produce the stuff. Here's the response: Dear Sir/Madam, I was forwarded your request for a quotation on methanol based on an annual usage of 2 drums. Pricing is as follows: Methanol (CCC code 597757) (163 kg/drum): $1.51/kg (based on a 2 drum purchase) F.O.B. Vancouver, plus applicable taxes and drum deposits Should you be interested in pursuing this further a credit application could be forwarded to your attention such that an account could be set up. Alternatively, payment could be made with a certified cheque. I trust this meets with your requirements but please contact me if you require any further information either by e-mail or at 523-3256. Best Regards, Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ethanol Oil Industry
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE JUNE 13, 2001 Contact: David Morris, Institute for Local Self-Reliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-379-3815 http://www.ilsr.org/ Rejection of Oxygenate Waiver Should Encourage California to Become a Major Transportation Fuel Producer President George W. Bush's denial of California's request for a waiver from the federal fuel oxygenate requirement is unleashing a wave of outrage and bitterness in that state. The anger is compounded by the President's refusal to provide California with any short term relief from high electricity prices. And it is fueled by the fact that Archer Daniels Midland (ADM), the giant ethanol producer, has generously lavished contributions on political parties and stands to gain the most from the dramatically expanded market for ethanol. The anger is justified, says David Morris, Vice President of the Minneapolis based Institute for Local Self-Reliance. But the good news is that California can become self-sufficient in ethanol production. Indeed, in the long run, the President's decision may well spur California to develop a homegrown transportation fuel industry based on its well-known leadership in the biotechnology and bioengineering fields. California has sufficient corn acreage to supply 50-100 million of the 500-700 million gallons of ethanol it will need to completely replace MTBE. It has significant quantities of fruit wastes that can produce 100 million or more additional gallons. It has organic wastes like tree trimmings, yard waste, rice straw, and other cellulosic resources that could allow it to produce another 400-600 million gallons a year. Five years from now there could be one or two biorefineries in every California county, producing not only ethanol but higher value biochemicals, says Morris, who coined the term carbohydrate economy in the early 1980s to describe an economy that relies on plants rather than fossil fuels as its industrial building blocks. Morris is the author of several books on ethanol and biorefineries, and currently serves on a congressionally mandated council that advises the U.S. Departments of Energy and Agriculture on energy and agricultural policies. Morris points to his home state of Minnesota, where 10 percent of all transportation fuel is produced in-state from agricultural crops. There are 14 biorefineries in Minnesota, and 10 of them are owned by farmers themselves. As a result a significant amount of the money spent at the pump in Minneapolis stays in the state and benefits rural and farming communities directly, notes Morris. California would use different raw materials for making ethanol, but could have the same large number of production facilities and the same beneficial impact to an agricultural and rural sector that has been in recession for several years. The Institute for Local Self-Reliance is a 27-year-old nonprofit research and educational organization supporting environmentally and economically sound local communities. For more information visit ILSR's Carbohydrate Economy web site at http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/ or ILSR's home page at http://www.ilsr.org/ -- John Bailey Institute for Local Self-Reliance 1313 Fifth St. SE Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ILSR's Home: http://www.ilsr.org/ Sustainable MN: http://www.me3.org/ New Rules Project: http://www.newrules.org/ Carbohydrate Economy: http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/ ** The Oil Industry is Creating Gasoline Supply Problems - Ethanol is the Answer By Trevor Guthmiller, Executive Director, American Coalition for Ethanol For the second year in a row we are having to deal with exceedingly high gas prices, especially in the Midwest reformulated gasoline markets where ethanol is used. The oil industry, in typical fashion, is trying to act surprised and is trying to shift the blame to: 1) the government for requiring boutique fuels due to the balkanization of the fuel marketplace; and 2) ethanol because, in their words, it is so hard to transport and use. What they don't want to talk about is their industry's support for some of the boutique fuel requirements around the country. For instance, they supported the efforts of some government entities to adopt low-Reid Vapor Pressure (RVP) fuel requirements instead of reformulated gasoline requirements that would require the fuel be oxygenated, and heaven forbid, they have to use more ethanol. More interestingly, the oil industry doesn't seem to want to talk about what appears to be a deliberate effort to decrease production of reformulated gasoline, especially in the Midwest where it is blended with ethanol. This allows them to drive up the price and to then shift the blame to ethanol. In 1999, 358,000 barrels per day of reformulated gasoline (RFG) was produced in the Midwest (PADD 2). In 2000, that number dropped to 300,000 barrels per day and gas prices went through the roof, and the oil industry raked in
RE: US BATF Ethanol Permits was Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
In France custom distillers will render fruit or whatever a farmer has that may be too far along and turn it into something else of value. In Britain or the US you pour spoiled jam or a corn chip processor pours liquid down drain as it isn't worth the hassle dealing with the bureaucraps. We could take a lesson from the French. Kirk -Original Message- From: ronald miller sr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:36 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: US BATF Ethanol Permits was Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up And all of these years I thought we were a progressive thinking country. Maybe it's because I don't drink is why I don't understand. I just want to make fuel for my car. Ron - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: US BATF Ethanol Permits was Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up The text after my signature is taken directly off a US Dept. of the Treasury, BATF guide sheet for alcohol fuel plants. Alcohol fuel plants generally fall under small, medium and large. There are other formalities for Specially Denatured Spirits (SDS) users, alcohol fuel producers (small farm plants, etc.) and other alcohol use variations. Alcohol fuel producers start off with form 5110.74. But, as with all paperwork, getting the form is the simple part. Success in obtaining a permit includes other responsibilities, such as securing storage facilities to prevent unauthorized entry. Depending upon production capacity, this could be construed to include razor wire, security personnel, etc. BATF also secures the right to inspect facilities, records and reports during normal business hours, as well as acquisition of samples of products to ensure compliance with law and regulations. Just in case anyone wishes to know. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] DISTILLED SPIRITS PLANT - INDUSTRIAL INFORMATION This refers to your request for forms and information regarding the establishment of a plant to produce industrial alcohol. In order to establish such a plant, you must comply with all the requirements of Part 19, Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations as follows: 1) Register your plant on Form 5110.41 (see 27 CFR 19.151 and 19.152). 2) Make application on Form 5110.25 for an operating permit (see 19.157 and 19.158). 3) File bond on Form 5110.56 (see Subpart H of Part 19). No photocopies or faxed copies of this form, please! 4) File Form 5000.29, Environmental Information 5) File Form 5000.30, Supplemental Water Quality Considerations. 6) File Form 5000.9, Personnel Questionnaire, for each officer, director and stockholder owning ten percent or more of the voting stock of the corporation. 7) Furnish signature authority for each individual signing documents submitted to this Bureau. Either Form 5000.8, Power of Attorney, or Form 5100.1, Signing Authority for Corporate Officials, may be used for this purpose. However, in lieu of these forms, a resolution by the Board of Directors granting signature authorization may be submitted. 8) File application on Form 5100.16, to receive spirits by transfer in bond (see 19.506). An application is required for each distilled spirits plant transferring spirits. 9) If any trade names are to be used, submit evidence of State registration. .. http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[biofuel] Sanction to CEPSA ( spanish petrol operator ). The text
THE COMPETITION COURT HAS DETERMINATED : First. Declare that Cepsa Fuel-Stations S.A and Spanish Petrol Company CEPSA S.A. realized practices, banned by the article 1.1 of the Spanish Law of Defense of the Competition, when they stablished the prices of the fuels, when they are selled to the general public by the Dealers. Second. Intimate to these societies to immediately cease in this practice of stablishing the prices in the relations with the dealer ( fuel-stations ). Third. Sanction to Cepsa Estaciones de Servicio S.A.and to Compaa Espaola de Petrleos S.A. (C.E.P.S.A), jointly and solidly , to a FINE of 200 million ptas. ( 1.20 million euros ). Fourth. Order to both companies to publish, within two months, of this Resolution in the Oficial Bulletin of the State and in the Economy Section of one of the newspapers of general information with more circulation in the country. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
Can I ask: how hard was it for you to file for and get your fuel producer permit? -Martin Klingensmith (I'm in NY as well) --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had no issue with NY. the fed permit was sufficient. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Steve, Does the federal permit over rule the state regulations. They (B.A.T.F.) told me to check with my state beverage control board about state laws. My state (Alabama) has stricter regulations than the Feds and they also charge an annual fee of $100.00. They have a statement in the state code that says it must be a continueous. What might this mean? Ron Miller - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up the exemption is that for on site use, the fuel does not have to be denatured. reporting is less stringent as well. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: cpech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up I believe there is an exemption for less than 10,000 gallons per year. If that applies to you, you might want to take advantage of it. Craig - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an
[biofuel] Still sizing
Martin Gaw Peter ... Some more comments on how to design a larger still. Its a process where you need to ask the right questions as you go through it. The answers then change how you proceed from there, or send you back to the start ... 1) What purity and flowrate do you want to produce at ? So, for example, wanting 5 gal/day (19 L/day), do you want this in 12 hours or 4 hours ? Say you chose that you want it in 4 hours. This means that you want to collect your distillate at around 80 mL/min. But you'll need a certain amount of reflux action happening, to get the purity you require. So we'll need a heat source which can actually generate quite a bit more vapour than that. But how much reflux ? That going to depend on the column design. Normally I'd suggest that you'd use stainless steel wool/scrubbers for the packing of the column. These will give you about 1 HETP (theoretical stage = equivalent to a single pot distillation) for each 13-15cm of packing. Fine for small stills. But, if you're into these high flowrates, and likely to be using it quite frequently, if not daily, then may want something less likely to block up/foul and is easier to clean. Its also harder to pack a wider column such that it will get a nice even flow over all the packing - structured packing will do this easier for you if you're into large diameters. So then you're talking about using small marbles or rachig rings or very short lengths of copper tubing (=homemade rachig tubes). These have greater HETP's and you may need 20-40cm of each to get the same purification happening. 2) Depending on cleaning needs, etc decide on the type of packing This will now make the column quite a bit taller (and a touch wider), if you decided to use something less than stainless steel scrubbers. But there's a trick here.. extra height isn't really going to cost too much more in the long run. So why not go silly and make it quite a bit taller. Say you've worked out, from http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/refluxdesign.htm that you need to do the equivalent of 8 stages/HETP's to get the purity you want. These HETP's are assuming a particular reflux ratio. If you make the column taller (guess, lets say 10-15 stages), then you can afford to run less reflux (and downgrade how good the HETP's are), as you have surplice capacity to get the purity you want. E.g. so rather than needing to run at a reflux ratio of say 4 (return 40 mL for every 10 mL you keep), you may be able to deliver the same purity with a taller column running at a reflux ratio of 2. This will speed up your collection rate heaps. It just means that you'll need a wee ladder to read the top thermometer (why not use a thermocouple instead ?), and that your condenser will be up in the roof too ... (fun if you have low water pressure) Then you can use the calculator in http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/dtw.htm#use_fract backwards ... e.g. use it to estimate the heater size you need. E.g. if you want 80 mL/min at a reflux ratio of 4, then you'll need approx. 6.1 kW heat, but only 3 kW if you only need a reflux ratio of 2. So, even though its cost a little more for the taller column, you'll save when trying to heat it. A smaller element also means that the column can be skinnier (thus not quite so much packing etc required) See how it sorta goes in circles ? 3) So you've picked your element size, This then lets you estimate the column diameter from http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/reflux_calc.htm (remember just to beef it up slightly from that predicted). Note that this calculator also estimates how long the pot will take to heat up. Consider using a second boost element in there if this time is too long for you. 4) Size your condenser. Once you know how much heat you're putting into the system, you then know (exactly !) how much heat you have to take out of it (clue - its the same amount). Size your condenser to handle this .. see http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/cond_calc.htm 5) Pick the pot. This won't really affect any of the above. Just make sure you can fill/empty/clean it ok. In a nutshell, what I'm suggesting, is that if you want to make something bigger than a usual hobby still, possibly down-grade the type of packing you're going to use, but definitely make it heaps taller than what you would usually. This will allow you to run at a lower reflux ratio, and hence get the through-put you're after, without needing a huge heat input. Tony Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Some sollutions
Hi Pedro What's the situation with personal use (make your own), and off-road use, ie farms etc? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Once published the resolution of the Defense Court, it«s time to try to find sollutions for a cleaner hydrocarbure Market. - For sure, it«s very important the the PETROL OPERATORS ( like the sanctioned Cepsa ) cannot own FUEL-STATIONS by they own. Nearly the 50 % of the CEPSA dealer Fuel-station are fuel-stations owned by the CEPSA itself. This is not a good thing for new fuels, like biodiesels. If CEPSA deciedes not to sell biodiesel, you cannot sell it to the CEPSA fuel-stations. The best it that CEPSA must sell all they fuel-stations to another persons, using the franchise system or similarly, but that CEPSA Petrol Operator ( and none petrol operator ) cannot own ( or rent ) any fuel-stations So, there must be a SPLIT in the owning between Petrol Companies and Fuel-Stations. - It«s an error stablish the free prices. It«s more interesting for the user CEPSA Petrol Operator only can determinate the MAXIMUM price of the fuel, but not the minumum ( so, the fuel-station owner can rise the prices ). .- It«s interesting register the General Conditions of the contracts between the Petrol Operators and the Fuel-Stations, so the Defense Court can more easily determinate and persecute illegal anticompetition contracts ( now, there are similar requeriments for telecoms, gas and so on ). - We need more Hydrocarbure Operators ( like the biodieseler ones ). For this, it«s necessary that Little Companies can be Petrol ( more accurately Hydrocarbure ) Operators without the need of own 500 million ptas ( 3 million euros !!!). The law-maker forgets the littles companies ( to help the big petrol operator and ban the entry to this market of the little biodiesel companies ). - For Little Hydrocarbure Companies ( like the biodieselers ), one have to pay a lot of taxes ( duties, and so on ). There is a minimum tax that you have to pay, independently the production of hydrocarbure you produce ( this is another - oligopoly - guarantee for the big petrol companies ). - It«s very important promote the INDEPENDENT FUEL-STATIONS, to which the biodiesel hydrocarbure operators can sell their biodiesel fuel. If you sell your biodiesel to a nowadays Petrol Operator ( CEPSA, REPSOL and so on ) Fuel-station, they won«t buy it, because they are ordened by this dominant petrol operator. Your only hope are the independent fuel-stations. In the near future, I supose the exclusivity contracts between Hydrocarbure Operators and Fuel-Stations are going to be BANNED, for a free Market. For sure, these problem are similar for the rest of the European Union ( and in the U.S.A. I suposse :? All the best. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Methanol prices, right from the manufacturer
Here's a link to Methanex, one of the world's largest manufacturers of Methanol. They are based right here in North Vancouver, British Columbia. It's an interesting site that contains all kinds of things you never wanted to know about Methanol, including their prices, which have risen from 34 cents (US) a gallon in 2000, to 68 cents per gallon. Of course, to get these rates, you've got to buy a tanker load. You know, I've always wondered why there are huge ( I mean 100 foot high) piles of salt outside their plant, now I think I've made the connection. Dave http://www.methanex.com/methanol/currentprice.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated??
the proposed solution is to recirc the fuel return line. will find out if that's it this weekend. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:27 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated?? Steve and or Greg, Have you solved the issue that you had with the idle? What was the solution or proposed solution? fred --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: above 150F (not so much for combustion, but to get the damn stuff through the filter and injectors.) electric would cause too much engine load. use engine coolant. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:38 PM Subject: [biofuel] svo. how much does it have to be heated?? this is kind of very interesting to learn. how hot does the vegatable oil have to be kept in order to combust?? relocating the fuel tank to the inside of the car would help to reduce the amount of heat needed to keep the vegatable oil warm. how cheap is vegatable oil?? also, with the fuel tank inside the car, couldnt it be possible to run a second alternator with the purpose of using all the current to heat with some sort of resistor element?? like the type used in a toaster oven?? or would that require way too much current?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated??
the fuel is over 150F. what pump do you recommend. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Ed Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated?? I had the same problem with early versions of our SVO system. Idle problems are caused by one of two things: 1) air in the system 2) insufficient fuel delivery due to inadequate heating of the SVO. The VW does not have a separate fuel pump (lift pump) and needs a booster pump added to the SVO system to work properly. We have a pump that has worked well so far, where others (usual brand name electric inline fuel pumps) we've tried failed to handle the thicker SVO. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:27:59 - To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated?? Steve and or Greg, Have you solved the issue that you had with the idle? What was the solution or proposed solution? fred --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: above 150F (not so much for combustion, but to get the damn stuff through the filter and injectors.) electric would cause too much engine load. use engine coolant. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:38 PM Subject: [biofuel] svo. how much does it have to be heated?? this is kind of very interesting to learn. how hot does the vegatable oil have to be kept in order to combust?? relocating the fuel tank to the inside of the car would help to reduce the amount of heat needed to keep the vegatable oil warm. how cheap is vegatable oil?? also, with the fuel tank inside the car, couldnt it be possible to run a second alternator with the purpose of using all the current to heat with some sort of resistor element?? like the type used in a toaster oven?? or would that require way too much current?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms / Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
Hi Martin, Here is the phone number I promised you for the B.A.T.F. in Ohio. The toll free number is 1-800-398-2282. Another number (not toll free) is 1-513-684-7222. The last number is a lady named Karen. She was extremely helpful. It only took a few days for the packet to come and it contained a lot of info concerning the filling out of the application. Regards, Ron Miller - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Can I ask: how hard was it for you to file for and get your fuel producer permit? -Martin Klingensmith (I'm in NY as well) --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had no issue with NY. the fed permit was sufficient. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Steve, Does the federal permit over rule the state regulations. They (B.A.T.F.) told me to check with my state beverage control board about state laws. My state (Alabama) has stricter regulations than the Feds and they also charge an annual fee of $100.00. They have a statement in the state code that says it must be a continueous. What might this mean? Ron Miller - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up the exemption is that for on site use, the fuel does not have to be denatured. reporting is less stringent as well. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: cpech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up I believe there is an exemption for less than 10,000 gallons per year. If that applies to you, you might want to take advantage of it. Craig - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send
[biofuel] Help!
Where would be a good place for a city boy to start researching this type of fuel as far as getting to they swing of things All helpful references such as books, web sites etc for the beginners is what we need . My 8 (yes I said 8) year old is the person who start this environmentally friendly path my Family has recently started to walk upon and they say that a journey of a 1000 miles begins with but one step Help me PLEASE Newly Recruited Treehugger Christopher S Weller [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
Hi Martin, Here is the phone number I promised you for the B.A.T.F. in Ohio. The toll free number is 1-800-398-2282. Another number (not toll free) is 1-513-684-7222. The last number is a lady named Karen. She was extremely helpful. It only took a few days for the packet to come and it contained a lot of info concerning the filling out of the application. Regards, Ron Miller Try snipping. No need to have six of these on the end of a message: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Thanks. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
What is snipping? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Hi Martin, Here is the phone number I promised you for the B.A.T.F. in Ohio. The toll free number is 1-800-398-2282. Another number (not toll free) is 1-513-684-7222. The last number is a lady named Karen. She was extremely helpful. It only took a few days for the packet to come and it contained a lot of info concerning the filling out of the application. Regards, Ron Miller Try snipping. No need to have six of these on the end of a message: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Thanks. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Snipping, PLEASE TAKE NOTE - was Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is snipping? When responding to messages, cut the bits that aren't relevant, or snip in Net-speak. For instance, each message carries the standard footer text, and if you respond to a message without cutting the footer, your response will have two footers. Waste of bandwidth. Your response to Martin had six footers. Your response to me had two. If I just left it there, this message would have three. There are 660-odd list members, about 500 receiving email; the footer is seven lines, you had six of them, that's 21,000 lines needlessly transmitted, plus a growing load of garbage in the message archives at the list website, slowing down archive searches and wasting online time. In the original message text, cut everything except what's relevant to your reply - see below. This is standard netiquette, much neglected but good behaviour nonetheless. Required behaviour. It's also a good idea to change the subject heading when you change the subject - eg, the subject heading of this message: Snipping, PLEASE TAKE NOTE - was Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up. It saves time, especially for people using the web interface to read messages while online. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Hi Martin, Here is the phone number I promised you for the B.A.T.F. in Ohio. The snip Ron Miller Try snipping. No need to have six of these on the end of a message: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: snip Keith Addison Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver
I pay the equivalent of US$2.00 for 99% methanol here in South Africa. Keep searching... -Original Message- From: Dave Morch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:48 PM To: 'biofuel@yahoogroups.com' Subject: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver Just checked with a place called Canada Colors, a chemical supplier on Annacis Island, this was the first place I checked, and their response is shown below. All prices in Canadian dollars. 163kg= approx. 163 litres 163 x$1.51 = $246/drum + taxes 45 US gallons (3.785 litres/US gallon) $3.65 (US$)/gallon, seems like a lot, compared to the other quotes I've heard, plus you can pick it up for that price in a 4 litre jug (Methyl Hydrate as it's called here) almost anywhere, ie. Walmart. I'll keep checking. I'll check with Methanex next, they actually produce the stuff. Here's the response: Dear Sir/Madam, I was forwarded your request for a quotation on methanol based on an annual usage of 2 drums. Pricing is as follows: Methanol (CCC code 597757) (163 kg/drum): $1.51/kg (based on a 2 drum purchase) F.O.B. Vancouver, plus applicable taxes and drum deposits Should you be interested in pursuing this further a credit application could be forwarded to your attention such that an account could be set up. Alternatively, payment could be made with a certified cheque. I trust this meets with your requirements but please contact me if you require any further information either by e-mail or at 523-3256. Best Regards, Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] London Taxicab Tests
http://ens.lycos.com/e-wire/June01/13June0105.html KleenAir Successfully Completes Phase 1 of London Taxicab Tests FULLERTON, CA, Jun. 13 -/E-Wire/-- KleenAir Systems Inc., (OTCBB:KAIR) has successfully completed Phase 1 emission tests of its NOxMaster¨ NOx reduction system on a London TX1 taxicab. The combination SCR/DOC system achieved consistent and repeatable particulate reductions of 50 to 70% and 40 to 50% NOx reduction after implementing a zero ammonia slippage software program. Typical DOC products reduce particulates from 20 to 30% and NOx by 0 to 7%. Thus these results achieve more than double the usual expectation. The Company believes that its system for light-duty diesel powered vehicles represents a breakthrough in low-cost particulate reduction and should result in considerable market penetration for the product. The Company now intends to apply for Phase 2 funding from the Energy Savings Trust for the purpose of installing its NOxMaster¨ system on a partial fleet of in-service taxicabs for a field test on the streets of London. This is to verify safety, durability and continued emission reduction performance, which the Company believes will be as successful as has proved to be in the past. There are 40,000 such Taxicabs in the UK, and the Company believes that a successful Phase 2 program could lead to significant penetration of that market. The Company has also been encouraged to submit a proposal to test its heavy-duty version on London buses. KleenAir has appointed Fuel Parts Ltd. as its UK master distributor for all these products through its affiliated UK company NOxMaster Ltd. Fuel Parts has an excellent track record of servicing the replacement and retrofit markets for exhaust systems and catalytic converters. It provides installation and maintenance support to its dealers throughout the UK servicing clients with both on-road fleet vehicles and off-road equipment. Retrofit markets generate significant increased margin opportunities and the Company expects to achieve above average bottom line contribution from such sales. KleenAir has a patented unique computer controlled ammonia system, the NOxMaster¨, which, when injected into the exhaust stream, interacts with NOx produced during combustion. The result converts environmentally hazardous NOx into harmless nitrogen and water. In addition, the Company's catalytic converters and Oxidizing Particulate Traps (OPT) significantly reduce particulates as well as hydrocarbons (HC) and carbon monoxide (CO). Safe Harbor Act Disclaimer The statements contained in this release and statements that the company may make orally in connection with this release are not historical fact and are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the private securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those forward-looking statements, as such statements involve risks and uncertainties that could significantly impact the company's business and the actual outcome and results may differ materially. SOURCE: Kleen Air Systems -0- 06/13/2001 /CONTACT: KleenAir Systems, Inc., Fullerton, Lionel Simons, 714/774-3652/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver
I live on the northern beaches of Sydney. Does anyone in the group have some methanol locations that would suit me. I hve run a lot of chemical supliers and get the same answer, methanol? Barryt - Original Message - From: Mike Brownstone To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver I pay the equivalent of US$2.00 for 99% methanol here in South Africa. Keep searching... -Original Message- From: Dave Morch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:48 PM To: 'biofuel@yahoogroups.com' Subject: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver Just checked with a place called Canada Colors, a chemical supplier on Annacis Island, this was the first place I checked, and their response is shown below. All prices in Canadian dollars. 163kg= approx. 163 litres 163 x$1.51 = $246/drum + taxes 45 US gallons (3.785 litres/US gallon) $3.65 (US$)/gallon, seems like a lot, compared to the other quotes I've heard, plus you can pick it up for that price in a 4 litre jug (Methyl Hydrate as it's called here) almost anywhere, ie. Walmart. I'll keep checking. I'll check with Methanex next, they actually produce the stuff. Here's the response: Dear Sir/Madam, I was forwarded your request for a quotation on methanol based on an annual usage of 2 drums. Pricing is as follows: Methanol (CCC code 597757) (163 kg/drum): $1.51/kg (based on a 2 drum purchase) F.O.B. Vancouver, plus applicable taxes and drum deposits Should you be interested in pursuing this further a credit application could be forwarded to your attention such that an account could be set up. Alternatively, payment could be made with a certified cheque. I trust this meets with your requirements but please contact me if you require any further information either by e-mail or at 523-3256. Best Regards, Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Some solutions
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Some sollutions Hi Pedro What's the situation with personal use (make your own), A lot of people are afraid about make their own biodiesel. They are afraid about break the motor car down, because of a bad made biodiesel. Because of this, the best it«s guarantee that the biodiesel is produced by companies that utilizes the EN950 standard. And it«s not clear that if you produce a quantity for you own, you don«t have to pay taxes. and off-road use, ie farms etc? The off-road use ( combustion fuels ) has the same problems that the on-road ( carburant ) use. I am trying to explain it briefly. If you make biodiesel and want to sell it to petrol stations or to another dealers ( you cannot sell it to the final consumer ), you have to be a PETROL ( better said, HYDROCARBURE; hydrocarbure : petrol or bio fuels ) OPERATOR. So, you need own 500 million ptas ( 3 million euros ) and pay the taxes in advance and a minimum quantity. From time to time, I am more and more sure, we need a Little Hydrocarbure Operator STATUTE ( special regulation, specially in the industrial and tax fields ) in the European Union. Nowadays, the petrol panorama it«s a oligopoly formed by a few BIG petrol operators with state ( european union ) regulation that DOESN«T ALLOW THE EXISTING OF LITTLE HYDROCARBURE OPERATORS and the prices rising more and more. So, if you don«t want petrol prices rise, you have to ask to the goverment to promote the little petrol operator ( like biodiesel operator ) statute . All the best. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489
Joseph Martelle wrotethese filters work because water in oil is an emulsion and thus easily separated with marine filters. Is this true? How do you take the oil out of emulsion, I have heard of de-emulsifying agents (chemicals) but they are expensive. Are there different types of emulsions - permanent emulsions, semi emulsions-what is an emulsion anyway? I collect large quantities of this type of waste from grease traps. Even the free floating oil/grease that separates out and is skimmed off carefully contains 20-30%water. (I refer to this as water in oil as opposed to oil in water) I find that the longer I let it sit, the more water will drop out after several weeks) leaving maybe 5-10% water in oil if I`m lucky., maybe it is my imagination but I think that some of the water may even be evaporating off when left to settle in an open top drum.I have thought about dripping the oil in some sort of enclosed environment onto a needle point (or something) that will shatter the droplet or indeed a mist sprayer and use an anhydrous powder to soak up any moisture that evaporates off. This would be cheap and gravity fed-but would it work? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
