[biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war
Hey Todd et al, let's not make this personal, did you perhaps not see my :)?. I was merely saying that we have all benefited in the long run from the genocide that happened in North America in the past. One cannot judge history by modern standards, that's History 101! America is single-handedly the most innovative populace the world has ever known period. Look around you, the technology our democracy and free markets have produced and continue to produce have saved countless more lives, and provided for even more than were lost in the settling of this land. We are all benefiting from this, our life expectancy is much higher than even two generations ago, and our quality of life is unimaginable to those in the past. Do you like your medicine? Your efficient, convenient way of life? Your entertainment, refrigerator, how about your computer, it's software and the Internet? Have you ever used a phone, or turned on a light, or read a newspaper, or wondered about the mysteries of Space? This country has developed more technology than any other past or present, that we are all benefiting from. Furthermore, who does the world look to for justice in the world? Were it not the Americans who emerged victorious in WWI and WWII saving the world from tyranny and genocide? Did anyone else contribute more to the plight of the South Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Kuwaitis and Saudis, or to the people of Yugoslavia? Who stopped the communists from taking over the world? Has anyone else offered to bail out countless corrupt government after corrupt government, saving people from poverty, without even asking to be re-paid? Do I condone genocide? Of course not. But we, in this day and age, have all benefited from it. That is all I am saying. As for my comments on the need to reduce incentive for stability in the Middle East, I apologize for painting anyone on this list (who did not want to be painted) as working toward reducing dependency on foreign oil, specifically oil from the Middle East. What I meant to say, is that I am working to reduce our dependency on foreign oil so that we as a nation have less of a reason (incentive) to meddle in the affairs of the Middle East. As far as I can tell (and I have never been there) the region is fraught with religious strife, brutality, ignorance, and hatred. In short, most of the countries there seem almost laughably behind the times given their resources, corrupt, and no place to be if you were born with fallopian tubes and a uterus. Islamic law fosters fear, slows progress, and is easily abused by those in power. We are fighting the evil, backward, minority in Iraq for many reasons, oil, hope, and liberation among them. We have attempted to provide them with hope for a brighter future, teach them about democracy and free trade, so that we may watch them prosper, and no one can seem to get past centuries old grudges and hatred toward one another and us. It got so bad, one man ordered the hijacking and crashing of our own planes (once again our inventions) into our own skyscrapers (dido) because we had established a base in The Holy Land to promote stability in the region, and he couldn't handle we Infidels on his turf. Where were the Muslims after 9/11? I sure didn't hear cries of outrage and condemnation from their community, did you? In fact the silence, at least state-side, was deafening. We are infidels, and every good Muslim must rid the world of infidels according to the Koran, am I right? So I say, Fine, you want me dead? I'll fight you back by not buying your oil and watching you figure out the world doesn't work that way anymore and changing. I buy and promote biodiesel to give the people of the Middle East incentive to find another line of work and move forward. As for the non-American majority on this list, stop and consider, for a moment where you would be without us. Ryan -Original Message- From: appalenergy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:50 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: US poll about Iraq war Crikey Ryan! Did you read what you wrote? Do you even understand what it is that you communicated? How distored a perspective can you have when you say that much more good has come from our use of the land for the good of the world, than from the natives who inhabited it previously. And to justify such a statement of arrogance by trying to lay guilt on the doorsteps of those who came after such slaughter? How disconnected and disjointed can a human being's thought processes be? Benefitted? Haven't you figured out that the mindless and depraved philosophy of Manifest Destiny is something that global society is suffering the consequences from to this very day? Not to mention that it's acceptance and implementation in one era smooths the path for its implementation in every generation thereafter. Get real for a moment. It's somehow okay to
Fwd: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
Apologies to the list for not snipping that last! Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca Begin forwarded message: From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri May 14, 2004 10:00:30 AM America/Vancouver To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO? Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com On Thursday, May 13, 2004, at 07:13 PM, Bruce Colley wrote: Ed- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
Keith- Thanks for your comments and the very helpful links. I would very much like to carry on this discussion on the agricultural aspects of oil production after I have had a chance to study the links and other information in more detail. Bruce Colley, Sustainable Energy Project www.sustainableenergyproject.org - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO? Hello Bruce Ed- Your insights into these issues is helpful to me, and I'm sure, to others. (I am aware of some of your work in this area, as some months ago your partner Craig made me aware of your Master's thesis and I actually read it!) I would love to top Alex's 300,000 km benchmark, but it will take some time at the rate that I drive. Like him, I am not using any WVO, as I want to take a very conservative approach to this, and that may help to extend the life of my engine. However, there is another reason that I don't use WVO (and this may be worthy of another discussion thread.) In my work, I am attempting to develop and espouse a model of worldwide personal transportation sustainability, and also practice what I preach. The limited volume of WVO simply does not lend itself to such a model. I have serious doubts as to whether even Canola, sunflower, camelina sativa or any other annual row crop can be justified in such a worldwide model, as these would compete with food crops if produced on a very large scale, they use considerable energy to produce, and require water, weeding, and pest control. It can be done sustainably, but indeed not via industrialised monocropping. I said this before: If you just swap fuels instead of changing the entire disaster you'll end up with wall-to-wall industrialized monocrops of GMO soy and canola. Big Biofuels may not turn out to be much better than Big Oil. Silly thing about it is that industrialized monocropping of biofuels crops would be (is) just as fossil-fuel-dependent as industrialized monocropping of anything else is. What's the use of finding a cure for cancer if it gives you a heart attack? You can find messages in the list archives from organic farmers in the US raising maize and soy at equal or better yields than the so-called conventional chemicalised farmers next door with their much higher fossil-fuel inputs and higher costs too, and without the externalised costs associated with chemicalised farming practices, such as depleted soil (the farm's capital). I've proposed, and others have agreed, that it's quite possible to raise energy crops without the use of any dedicated land at all or dedicated anything else, as by-products of the ever-changing cropping patterns used on sustainable, integrated farms, and without any fossil-fuel inputs. Don't forget a lot of those food crops aren't really food crops at all. This is worth a look: Food or Fuel? http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_food.html#grainexports On How much fuel can we grow? and How much land will it take?, you might find these previous posts of interest: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1395/ http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1801/ When there are hardy perennial oil producing plants like Jatropha that grow for up to 50 years in otherwise unusable soil in semi arid climates with virtually no maintenance requirements, and also can serve to as a natural fence, wind break and source of medicinal compounds, it seems like that is where the focus should be (and I am in the process of importing some seeds, planning a trip to Africa, and otherwise investigating this.) I agree with you, very much, but with the reservation that, for all jatropha's advantages, and those of other similar crops, there's no single best answer to this. Each situation requires a different solution, or at least a fresh appraisal, and local involvement is essential at all levels, including all decisions and choices. There are almost always local energy crops, or weeds, or wild plants, that could be exploited, and past experience with rural development projects shows that such local resources usually perform better than imports such as jatropha or whatever, regardless of yields. If, that is, by performance one means overall community benefit. Which you do mean. I am also approaching the longevity issue from an entirely different angle. I have developed a generator powered by a Kubota diesel engine. The engine was sent to Elsbett in Germany for conversion to SVO and I am very pleased with its performance. The generator can be used for stand alone power generation, but was really developed with the idea of incorporating it into a hybrid electric vehicle. With such a system, one can
Re: [biofuel] help with alcohol
many thanks for the comments i am giving it a run in the lab on monday will tell you what will happen just hope the GC is working ok so i can analys results --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2004, at 10:19 AM, mohamed hassan wrote: what will happen to the estrification reaction when a double alcohol is ued something like 1,3, proban di ol would the reaction be faster or slower??? how does the FAME of this behave will having 2 alcohol groups means using less alcohol??? Brian is correct -- you'd end up with nearly a diglyceride, except without the pendant hydroxyl group, so it wouldn't be polar. Still rather high viscosity, I'd imagine -- probly wouldn't work without preheating, since biodiesel barely does. -K __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
Ed- Some comments: Also, it would be very good to see this undertaken as someone's academic work, and to see more testing done in an updated way via funded research here in Canada and the USA, as well as elsewhere in the world. I see incredible enthusiasm and interest in the entire area of sustainable fuels from students, and someone could perform a huge service for this cause by introducing students at all levels to the possibilities of studying the chemistry, physics, agriculture, biology, social, economic, political and business aspects and implications of sustainable fuels. For long term, large scale use (and I've just been having a very good discussion with Michael Briggs at the University of Vermont about this, do you know him?) then there are all sorts of production models and issues to discuss - a very large topic. I don't know Michael Briggs, but would like to know of his work. Maybe you could encourage him to participate in this forum. (SVO powered generator project) Yes, also very much of interest to me, and mentioned earlier to me - how is that going? Absolutely. Is all of this a commercial project, or will you be doing all this as a non-profit enterprise in future? Either way, congratulations on bringing it along, and keep in touch - we have very similar interests on these topics. I have successfully coupled a three phase induction motor to the SVO powered Kubota, and, with associated circuitry, run this motor as an induction generator (patent applied for). (As you may know, a three phase induction motor is rugged, simple in design (no brushes or slip rings), efficient, very economical, readily available, and is produced in sizes from about 5 HP to hundreds (or even thousands) of HP or KW.) I have developed, but not totally completed, an embedded microcontroller that can monitor and control all engine parameters as well as fuel heating, battery charging, and other variables, and send this data to a virtual instrument panel on a PC which is then internet connectable. I am working on AC applications for stand alone power generation, or grid tied power generation where the customer is on a net metering contract with the utility. For the hybrid EV, the three phase output is rectified and then used to drive a DC motor and/or charge the batteries. I would like to first develop a vehicle around this which could demonstrate the feasibility of economical (100 miles/gal), low emissions, sustainably fueled personal transportation.(If you connect to: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_future.html and then scroll down to Leading the way: Volkswagen 1-liter Concept, you will see that they are using a one cylinder diesel engine in a vehicle that they claim is achieving over 200 mpg (and it isn't even a hybrid!)). I think that such a demonstration vehicle could generate interest which could then take it to the next level, preferably on a for profit basis. I have engineering skills and reasonably good machining and fabrication capabilities at my shop in Alameda, CA, but am not versed in vehicle design or frame and body construction.If I could find someone or some group to merge capabilities, this could move forward. Another interesting application of the generator is for farm equipment. It would seem obviously compelling to offer farmers the choice of using oil that they can produce (or which is produced through a co-op) in machinery that they use to produce the oil producing crops (or other crops for that matter.) Frankly, I don't know how much farm equipment is already diesel powered, and if it would therefore be economically sensible to convert such equipment to diesel electric hybrid, or else to just convert it to run on SVO or to use biodiesel. If it is predominantly gasoline powered, then this could be interesting, and possibly a simpler initial undertaking than the hybrid EV. I have interest in this from someone raising Jatropha in Mexico. (He informs me that mechanical harvesting of Jatropha seeds is very advantageous.) As you know, even one demonstration project of this nature can garner beaucoup publicity and raise awareness and consciousness on a wide scale. Say, will you be able to make it to the SVO event at SolWest? Sounds like a possibility. I will be looking forward to seeing more information on this. Bruce Colley Sustainable Energy Project www.sustainableenergyproject.org - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO? On Thursday, May 13, 2004, at 07:13 PM, Bruce Colley wrote: Ed- Your insights into these issues is helpful to me, and I'm sure, to others. Thank you. (I am aware of some of your work in this area, as some months ago your partner Craig made me aware of your Master's thesis and I
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Hi, I wrote a great dissertation yesterday.Took me almost a half hour.It was very passionate you know.I clicked to send and my server crashed. I really don't have the willingness to regurgitate all I said yesterday,but I do owe you the courtesy of a reply. The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions.I could present an equal number of figures and links to contradict what you said.In the end we have learned nothing more than that we are both stubborn in our beliefs and deft at researching support for our side. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted.Thats something I'm familiar with.I was born and raised in ChicagoVote Early! Vote Often! Part of the article said people were trying to determine what voters wanted when they selected nether candidate.I can answer that.It meant they thought both choices stunk!How dare they suppose to interfere with someones vote.As if the voter wasn't smart enough. I could ask why Gore courted the military vote with his two week stay in Viet Nam and then wanted their votes disqualified in Fl. A year after the election both the NY Times and the Washington Post both conceded that with all the votes counted that should have been counted Bush would have won anyway. None of this includes the vote fraud scandal that went on in Wis. Wisconsin was another key state.It is a solid republican state.If Bush had won Wis. he wouldn't have needed Fl. for a victory.No one talks about the scandal here much because they figure Fl. was the Dem's comeuppance for Wis. I lived in the south for many years.and to blame stripping blacks of voter rights on the republicans is very short sighted. In the war between the states The republic won.The night riders who rode against the northern carpetbaggers were democrats.These were the same people who fought to keep Jim Crow laws intact Nowadays you can't tell the players without a scorecard.There are people in office in many southern states who are always looking for a way to deny people their rights.To put it on one party is to make a fool of yourself at their expense. Speaking of fools.I joined this board to learn about bio diesel.A bonus was finding some sharp people here who have nothing in common with me.As for the first one being free,I'm not so sure it was free.Calling me ignorant?You don't know me well enough to call me names yet. I look forward to further encounters. Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, You get this one free. Next time you choose to assert something based out of ignorance you'll have to do your own fact checking on your own dime. (God!!! What a novel thought!!! Actually thinking before you speak.) One can only surmise that you focus more on the gardening section, comics and want adds when you read your daily fish wrap rather than the news articles of the day. Otherwise you would have been long aware that thousands of duly registered voters were expunged from the roles by Florida's over zealous attempt to prevent felons from voting. You would be aware that DBT was instructed (part of the court record) to use as many broad methods as available to cast as wide a net as possible, including reversing names, including nick names, substituting names such as Christine for Christopher, dropping suffixes like Jr. and Sr. So a search for a felon named Jeff Dockside Whiting would net Jeff Whiting, Jeffrey Whiting, Geoff Whiting, any of the three named Jr. or Sr., Jeff Dockside, etc, etc, etc. This isn't fiction. It happened. And the most searing indictment of corrupt practice is that 90.2% of those wrongly purged were black. This made DBT's purging one hell of a handicap, as 93% of black voters in Florida voted for Gore. Most peculiar was the manner in which the white Mr. Whitings or Docksides seldom to never made it onto the purge list, but the black Mr. Whitings and Docksides did. Race was used as an identifier but social security numbers, birth names and birth dates were clearly and readily discounted. Think not? Ask Madison County's election supervisor Linda Howell or the Hillsborough judge who were both wrongly purged. That's a matter of court record as well, as were the thousands of votes in Gadsen County that were discounted - 1 out of 8 votes. Whereas in Tallahassee County only 1 out of 100 were discounted, even though the same type of machines were used. The difference between the two counties was that optical readers were available to Tallahassee (primarily a white county) and voters who erred were instructed to go back and correct their errors, while no readers were available in Gadsen (primarily a black county) and no similar opportunity available there. As for illegal failure to properly count thousands of overvotes (write-in votes and punched votes on the same ballot)?
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Keith, Thank you for your reply. I wrote a lengthy reply to apprl and then my server crashed.So I wrote a second note that turned into war and peace.Being only a two finger typer,it goes pretty slow.Thank you for the kind way you explained just who Podvin was.I meant no disrespect to the man.But I do disagree strongly with what little I have read. Thanks for a great bio diesel forum. PS I really like the people here too.I just can't help myself sometimes. Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from?? Planet USA, I believe. As is Greg Palast, though he had to go elsewhere because he's a first-rate investigative journalist and he found that the ever-more-concentrated ownership of the allegedly free media on Planet USA disapproved of the truth because it got in their way. But, though based now on Planet UK, which is marginally better in such things though still far from ideal, he continues to report on events on Planet USA. The fact that large numbers of the citizens of Planet USA have voted with their pockets to keep Palast's book on these matters in the top 10 bestsellers list for some time now would seem to indicate that a considerable proportion of that planet's population agrees with him and Podvin, and many others, and not with the media owners and you, and many others, when it comes to things like truth and what is and is not disproven. You could be among them. You should be among them, you owe it to yourself. You owe it to everyone. Among them the large numbers of other citizens of Planet USA who were denied a vote because they had been unjustly criminalised - guilty in advance, potential felons, as Jeb Bush called them, suspected of potentially attempting to vote while being black. Which is about to happen all over again, and not just in Florida, though it wasn't just in Florida last time too. See, for instance: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040517s=palast April 29, 2004 Vanishing Votes by Gregory Palast More: http://GregPalast.com/columns.cfm?subject_id=1subject_name=Theft%20of %20Presidency Columns - Theft of Presidency Not just one man saying so on the basis of nothing (like you), it's all in the record, for those who care to look. You can get the book here - it's called The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: http://www.gregpalast.com/store.htm Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! You mean Manifest Destiny? I'd rather let the truth get in the way of it, no matter how inconvenient that might be. Best Keith FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/021001_ManifestDestiny.htm snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Rico, The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions Hornswaggle. It's based upon court records, archived data of the period and the results of post-election examination of ballots and events by several print media outlets, the latter conducted under the eyes of election supervision offices. The conclusions are there for anyone to draw, provided they've been bequeathed with half a wit. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted. Legally they were and are supposed to be manually tabulated. They weren't. They were discounted by election officials who knew that they were acting contrary to Florida statute.
RE: [biofuel] Truck spills gallons of used cooking oil
The world's first biodegradable oil spill! No flamingos or alligators were injured, although several were seen waddling away apparently bloated after consuming mass quantities of the French-Fry slick. Unfortunately someone got hurt by sliding into a tree though, I hope she is OK... Ironic that she worked for the Dept. of Agriculture, eh? -Original Message- From: Pat McCotter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biofuel@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] Truck spills gallons of used cooking oil Sorry about the cross-post but had to spread this http://www.ctnow.com/sns-othernews-0506cooking,0,5618895.story OR http://tinyurl.com/2ao9g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO and Vehicle Navigation Systems
Sounds good, but how many people would remember to set their destination point in the computer? You could, however, arrange it to make it start on dino, switch over 10 minutes later, cruise for however long, and when the driver goes to shut down the car on SVO [oops!] have the computer switch back to dino and leave the car on for a minute or three. I work with microcontrollers all the time. It would be fairly inexpensive. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Ryan Morgan wrote: Here's a brain storm for you: I work in GIS, for those of you who aren't yet familiar with that, it stands for Geographic Information Systems. Essentially I make maps and use things like aerial photography and GPS to do so. Hanging out at my local map store on a Friday evening (what a dork) I got to talking with another mapper about his VW TDI and biodiesel. He wasn't too clear on what biodiesel was (he thought it was just filtered SVO) so I started explaining how SVO required two tanks and a switch. I told him how the driver had to start on dino/biodiesel, switch to SVO, and then remember to switch it back before turning the motor off. We both agreed that this was too much to remember for the driving masses, and bingo! It hit me. Why not hook the switch to an in-vehicle navigation system? Believe it or not, this would not be difficult to do. The driver gets in the vehicle, sets a route, and the car knows when it's a quarter mile away from it's destination and switches back to dino/biodiesel automatically. What do you think? Cheers, Ryan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war
Ryan, Nothing personal, huh? I guess you don't have any ancestors who walked the Trail of Death or the Trail of Tears or have relatives who are members of the Lost Nation as a result of domestic policies of tyranny. And those walking the continent today are supposed to feel as if we've benefitted because what? Because the national record of births was forever altered from its natural course at the point of a sword or in advance of flying lead? So your or my life today is more important than those lives that were never permitted to be, or the lives that were erased from the Earth, all due to the radically misguided zealots of the day and their abject policies of superiority? Benefitted from genocide? You have adopted a distorted definition of the word benefit laddie, when you wrap it around and base it upon something as permanently destructive as genocide. And the rest of your thought processes are akin to a 50 car freight that jumped tracks at full throttle - contorted and twisted. The world wouldn't have a 40 hour work week without genocide? The world wouldn't have internal combustion engines without genocide? Refrigeration without genocide? Sulfa drugs and penicillin without genocide? Genocide was necessary in order to create the industrial fabric that would halt genocide in future centuries? Nothing personal, huh? Wrong. Such foolishness is extremely personal - and symbols, winks and nods laced into a text message don't manage to make such comments any less insulting or their distribution any less destructive. As for your statement that one cannot judge history by modern standards...? Go back and read your post. That is exactly what you are doing - using your modern standards as a ruler to justify genocide, or at least diminutize its consequences. As for bringing democracy to other nations? If you're going to reference history at least have the decency to do so accurately. The Arab region once had a fledgling democracy, until Britain and the US undercut it to keep the oil fields from being nationalized. Do yourself and everyone else a favor by conductin a quick internet search for Mossadegh, or try http://www.jebhemelli.org/Mosadegh/English-Mosadegh.htm. [If you really want to get serious, have a go at other democracies and social constructs that were decimated during the Eisenhower years. Murder and Mayhem, Incorporated for the last 50 years in numerous instances as a result of American subversion.] You also seem to think that Arab nations are somehow second rate. Lest you forget, the nations of Islam had libraries and universities centuries before their was a centralized christian church. And maybe the only reason they don't seem to be up to an acceptable speed by your standards is that every hundred years arrogant nationalists/corporatists/colonists and religious zealots with multi-national armies to support them keep pillaging and marauding them back to their very foundations. Maybe you too would get a bit weary of having to rebuild your country every century, or sometimes more frequently. Perhaps you too would get virulently angry with always being forced to wear the yoke and plow as demanded by colonial imperialism. Or would you just nod your head dutifully in acquiescence that scorched earth policies are necessary for the greater good of everyone else? That the erradication and subjagation of the few is necessary in order to secure the oppulence, avarice and excess of the many? Bullshit!!! - and with no apology. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Ryan Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 3:21 AM Subject: [biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war Hey Todd et al, let's not make this personal, did you perhaps not see my :)?. I was merely saying that we have all benefited in the long run from the genocide that happened in North America in the past. One cannot judge history by modern standards, that's History 101! America is single-handedly the most innovative populace the world has ever known period. Look around you, the technology our democracy and free markets have produced and continue to produce have saved countless more lives, and provided for even more than were lost in the settling of this land. We are all benefiting from this, our life expectancy is much higher than even two generations ago, and our quality of life is unimaginable to those in the past. Do you like your medicine? Your efficient, convenient way of life? Your entertainment, refrigerator, how about your computer, it's software and the Internet? Have you ever used a phone, or turned on a light, or read a newspaper, or wondered about the mysteries of Space? This country has developed more technology than any other past or present, that we are all benefiting from. Furthermore, who does the world look to for justice in the world? Were it not the Americans who emerged victorious in WWI and WWII saving the world
[biofuel] hybrid vehicle news
Ford planning unconvential media for Escape Hybrid Ford will take an unconventional approach to marketing its first hybrid, the Escape Hybrid. About a third of its print budget will go to non-traditional magazines, such as the rabble-rousing Mother Jones, as well as health and fitness and outdoor publications, such as Outside Magazine. The automaker will also use the Internet more than with other recent launches, SUV Marketing Manager Chris Fuell told TheCarConnection.com. The automaker has already had good luck with the Web, with over 500,000 visitors a month signing on to the Web site set up for Ford's hybrid program. The majority of our (efforts) will go to Internet and print, said Fuell, though high-cost television spots will still consume a sizable share of the Escape Hybrid media budget. The video campaign will bypass network television and gear towards the sorts of outlets environmentally-conscious buyers would tune to, including PBS, the Discovery Channel, TLC and Animal Planet. Meanwhile, the hybrid will also be the focus of Ford's first sponsorship of National Public Radio programming. The automaker is giving journalists their first opportunity to drive production version of the Escape Hybrid this week. And the route through urban Los Angeles neighborhoods underscores the way current events may be shifting in favor of hybrids. With petroleum soaring past $40 a barrel, gasoline prices of $2.50 or more have become common in Southern California. The conditions are certainly favorable for this kind of vehicle, said Fuell. -Paul A. Eisenstein Ford Hybrid Lineup Growing by Paul A. Eisenstein (4/6/2004) Automaker also creates new hybrid development unit. http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7015 Debate continues over just how much demand there really is for the high-mileage but complex vehicles, which mate both a gasoline engine and electric motor under the hood. Some observers have noted an increase in public interest with fuel prices approaching record levels in the U.S. But that's not likely to translate into more demand for HEVs, cautioned John Fitzpatrick, General Marketing Manager of Ford's Lincoln Mercury division. We've really not seen a shift in consumer buying patterns, Fitzpatrick said, during other recent periods when fuel prices soared. Consumers, he insisted, are not influenced by short-term fluctuations in pump prices. Even so, Fitzpatrick acknowledged Mercury advertising for the Mariner hybrid will absolutely refer to high fuel prices. While final government figures have yet to be finalized, Wright said the Escape HEV is on track to achieve its goal of as much as 40 miles per gallon. Ford officials stressed their belief that for hybrids to succeed, they cannot require consumers to make sacrifices when it comes to such things as roominess, convenience or cargo capacity. They intend to promote the Escape and Mariner HEVs as no compromise vehicles to assure customers they are getting more, not less. (Heh, amazingly enough people want a functional vehicle. Go figure. -Ed) http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7131 . . . the hybrid version really doesn't seem to require any compromises. Except for price, that is. And, unfortunately, that's one statistic we cannot provide yet. Ford likely won't release that critical detail until about a month before the Escape HEV goes on sale. Based on industry trends, we would expect a price tag closer to that of the V-6 Escape, and likely $2000 to $4000 higher. So is a hybrid right for you? Even at current gasoline prices, it'd be hard to fully justify the likely added cost of the hybrid hardware solely through fuel savings - unless you intend to put on extremely high mileage or keep the car for quite some time. The bulk of the article was favorable driving impressions of the car. Having driven a rented Escape over 1000 miles in a week two years ago, I can agree that the vehicle itself is fun to drive, although I wouldn't want to be a back seat passenger due to restricted visibility that caused motion sickness in me and the other passengers. Perhaps the new version is a little better. Ed Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Is it gas or diesel powered?
1985 Blue Volkswagen Golf for sale. Only 9 miles Only first gear and reverse used Never driven hard Original tires Original brakes Original fuel and oil One owner Wishing to sell due to employment lay-off http://www.terminalbraindrain.com/archives/VWGolfforsale.php Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Wood chipper report
Long-term readers will recall that Windward's biofuel work is focused on converting waste wood into methanol. One of the critical steps on that journey involves the need to convert forest cullings into a standardized feedstock. Late last fall we purchased a PTO mounted chipper for $1950 from Tractors-Etc 83969 N Pacific Hwy Creswell OR 97426 Telephone: 541-895-2550, Fax: 541-895-2756 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's a url for the importer http://www.chinadepot.com/woodchip.html By the time we got it home and assembled, we barely got to chip anything before snow settled in for the winter. Fast-forwarding five months, a spring windstorm brought down a dead pine, and in the process of cleaning that up we finally got a chance to try out the chipper generating three 55 gallon drums of chips. http://www.windward.org/notes/notes64/wdchip02.jpg We've still haven't gotten the feed mechanism adjusted right yet, but we're learning as we go and at this point I'm confident that it's going to do good work for us. Here's a picture of the chips we're getting. http://www.windward.org/notes/notes64/wdchip01.jpg The upshot is that we're very happy with this piece of gear. Walt http://www.windward.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Marin County Manure Generator
Thanks for posting this Mage. I was going to. I really liked this article. MM On Fri, 14 May 2004 12:29:00 -0600, you wrote: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/05/14/BAGJG6LG3R15.DTL AGRICULTURE 270 cows generating electricity for farm Methane digester also breaks down waste After 25 years of persistent work, Marin County rancher Albert Straus has figured out a way to run his dairy farm, organic creamery and electric car from the manure generated by his herd of 270 cows. Cheered on by a small gathering of engineers, environmentalists and fellow farmers, Straus stepped into a utility shed Thursday, switched on a 75- kilowatt generator, then stepped outside to snip the ribbon spanning a spanking-new electrical panel. On the panel, an electricity meter began running backward, indicating that power originating from a nearby poop-filled lagoon near the town of Marshall was feeding into PGE's electric power grid. Well, said Straus, with an understated shrug, that was exciting. But for Straus, as well as for many of the spectators, switching on the farm's new $280,000 methane digester system was not just a personal milestone -- it signaled an environmental breakthrough for the state's dairy industry. While the technology for farm-based methane production has been around for two decades, economics and resistance from the utility industry have prevented all but a handful of California farmers from transforming their animal waste into energy. While there are 1,950 commercial dairies in operation in California -- which leads the nation in the production of milk and cheese -- and nearly 2 million dairy cows, Straus' methane digester is only the fifth now operating in the state. But thanks to two pieces of recent legislation, 13 additional methane systems are now under construction, and renewable-energy advocates predict that scores more are sure to follow. The Straus project is the first of 14 methane projects to receive matching funds from the California Energy Commission, one result of the rolling blackouts that plagued the state during the summer of 2001. There was an emergency session (of the state Legislature) to create fixes to the energy problem, said Mike Marsh, president of Western United Dairymen. One thing they funded was renewable energy in the form of methane digesters. A $10 million pool of matching funds for farmers wishing to install methane digesters was created that year, followed in 2003 by a law allowing utilities to set up net metering agreements with small biogas generators. With net metering, small producers like Straus can reduce or erase their energy bills but cannot be paid for pumping excess energy into the grid. Net metering has been available to owners of home solar systems for several years. The Straus Farms' covered-lagoon methane generator, powered by methane billowing off a covered pool of decomposing bovine waste, is expected to save the operation between $5,000 and $6,000 per month in energy costs. With those savings, Straus estimates he will pay back his capital investment in two to three years. But the benefits go beyond the strictly financial. An innovator who converted his family's dairy to organic a decade ago, Straus is a committed environmentalist who has worked for decades to make his operation clean, sustainable and environmentally friendly. In addition to the energy savings, Straus' new methane digester will eliminate tons of naturally occurring greenhouse gases and strip 80 to 99 percent of organic pollutants from the wastewater generated from his family's 63-year-old dairy farm. Heat from the generator warms thousands of gallons of water that may be used to clean farm facilities and to heat the manure lagoon. And wastewater left over after the methane is extracted, greatly deodorized, is used for fertilizing the farm's fields. This is a great project, and I hope it will be replicated many times, Straus said. Transforming animal waste into a useful product potentially could solve some serious problems that accompany the dairy and livestock industries. Despite their gentle demeanor and big brown eyes, dairy cows present some troubling environmental challenges. A well-fed dairy cow produces 120 pounds of manure every day, or 40,000 pounds per year per animal. Manure-laden farm runoff pollutes surface and groundwater with coliform bacteria and nitrogen. And then there's the flatulence. Researchers have estimated that a single cow can emit 100 to 200 liters of methane per day, not including the methane that continues to be generated as bacteria break down the mounds of manure. This naturally occurring methane is a potent greenhouse gas, estimated to be 21 times as damaging to the ozone layer as carbon dioxide. The environmental benefits of transforming methane to energy are obvious. Even if the captured methane is simply burned off with a flare, the result is
[biofuel] Record drought dims hydropower outlook in US Northwest
The thing is: I don't see any discussion groups where we are making some of the connections that should perhaps be made, so I'll take a shot: 1. Is this drought global warming related? If so, does burning more fossil fuel to satisfy the shortfall in hydroelectric power actually in some way make the problem worse? 2. If there will be a power pricing and availability problem this summer, how will that problem interact with the ongoing price-increase issue with fuel? If Diesel generators will be fired up to cover power shortfalls, at what price will this occur? 3. Are we headed toward a severe power crisis as we had two or three years ago, or something more mild? 4. There is still a lot of hand-wringing and worrying and what-not over the drought and the forest fire problem, but very little movement (that I can see) to culling forest fuel (wood) and using it to generate moderate amounts of energy (if it has to be culled in some areas anyway). I don't understand how we cannot put 2+2 together, and see that if wood is a problem where it is too much fuel lying around, and we also have insufficient fuel to make power, then why not combine addressing the two problems? Who gives a damn that it would not solve more than a modest part of the problem? It might be progress. Heaven forfend. http://www.forbes.com/home/newswire/2004/05/14/rtr1372387.html Record drought dims hydropower outlook in US Northwest Reuters, 05.14.04, 3:51 PM ET By Leonard Anderson SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Electric utilities in the U.S. Pacific Northwest face another tough summer as a record drought slashes available supplies of hydroelectricity, the main power source in the region. Northwest investor-owned utilities like Idacorp Inc. , parent of Idaho's biggest utility Idaho Power, and Avista Corp. in Spokane, Washington, must turn to generation fueled by more expensive coal and natural gas to make up hydro shortfalls. The Northwest, which depends on hydropower for 65 percent of its electricity supply, is in the fifth year of a drought, the driest five-year stretch since hydro record-keeping began in 1929, according to the Bonneville Power Administration, a federal power marketing agency based in Portland, Oregon. California, which relied on summer imports of Northwest hydro to keep the lights on during its power crisis in 2000-2001, may be able to draw some supplies from the region this summer, said BPA spokesman Ed Mosey. We don't expect that we won't be able to help out for some peaking power in an emergency. But California also will have to get more supplies of fossil-fueled generation and that will drive up power prices for the entire West, Mosey said. [etc.] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
In my view, it is long overdue that the EPA should improve its tests to reflect real-world mileage and not their out-of-touch lab work. http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,63413,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 Hybrid cars are hot, but not as hot as their owners, who complain that their gas mileage hasn't come close to well-advertised estimates. Don't knock the car companies for inflated claims: Experts say the blame lies with the 19-year-old EPA fuel-efficiency test that overstates hybrid performance. Pete Blackshaw was so excited about getting a hybrid gasoline-electric car that he had his wife videotape the trip to the Honda dealership to pick up his Civic Hybrid. The enthusiastic owner ordered a customized license plate with MO MILES on it, and started a blog about his new hybrid lifestyle. But after a few months of commuting to his job in Cincinnati, Blackshaw's hybrid euphoria vanished as his car's odometer revealed that the gas mileage he was hoping for was only a pipe dream. Honda's Civic Hybrid is rated by the EPA to get 47 miles per gallon in the city, and 48 mpg on the highway. After nearly 1,000 miles of mostly city driving, Blackshaw was getting 31.4 mpg. I feel like a complete fraud driving around Cincinnati with a license plate that says MO MILES, says Blackshaw, who claims that after 4,000 miles his car has never gotten more than 33 mpg on any trip. The tenor of Blackshaw's blog shifted from adulation to frustration after his Honda dealer confirmed that his car was functioning properly, and that there was nothing he could do. [etc.] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Is it gas or diesel powered?
Is this a joke? :) I first drove a 1983 VW Rabbit Diesel LS to 250,000 miles before it finally rusted itself out of order (no small feat in Oregon where there is no salt.) Now I drive a 2002 Golf (Rabbit) TDI and have already put 60,000 miles on it, mostly using biodeisel. How on Earth has this 1985 beauty not been driven? Are you going for the Barett Jackson Auction or something? Wait a minute, I just saw the photo! HA! That was really funny! -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:45 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Is it gas or diesel powered? 1985 Blue Volkswagen Golf for sale. Only 9 miles Only first gear and reverse used Never driven hard Original tires Original brakes Original fuel and oil One owner Wishing to sell due to employment lay-off http://www.terminalbraindrain.com/archives/VWGolfforsale.php Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
Heck, I put a Got 50MPG? sticker on my TDi Golf and I'm embarrassed, too. Because its been getting 53 MPG on road trips to my house in upstate NY. I'm so ashamed. BSEG :) busyditch - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 3:11 AM Subject: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short In my view, it is long overdue that the EPA should improve its tests to reflect real-world mileage and not their out-of-touch lab work. http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,63413,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 Hybrid cars are hot, but not as hot as their owners, who complain that their gas mileage hasn't come close to well-advertised estimates. Don't knock the car companies for inflated claims: Experts say the blame lies with the 19-year-old EPA fuel-efficiency test that overstates hybrid performance. Pete Blackshaw was so excited about getting a hybrid gasoline-electric car that he had his wife videotape the trip to the Honda dealership to pick up his Civic Hybrid. The enthusiastic owner ordered a customized license plate with MO MILES on it, and started a blog about his new hybrid lifestyle. But after a few months of commuting to his job in Cincinnati, Blackshaw's hybrid euphoria vanished as his car's odometer revealed that the gas mileage he was hoping for was only a pipe dream. Honda's Civic Hybrid is rated by the EPA to get 47 miles per gallon in the city, and 48 mpg on the highway. After nearly 1,000 miles of mostly city driving, Blackshaw was getting 31.4 mpg. I feel like a complete fraud driving around Cincinnati with a license plate that says MO MILES, says Blackshaw, who claims that after 4,000 miles his car has never gotten more than 33 mpg on any trip. The tenor of Blackshaw's blog shifted from adulation to frustration after his Honda dealer confirmed that his car was functioning properly, and that there was nothing he could do. [etc.] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] NASA branch funds chaos technology
NASA Funds Sci-Fi Technology By Noah Shachtman http://www.wired.com/news/feedback/mail/1,2330,0-91-63362,00.html | Also http://www.wired.com/news/storylist/0,2339,91,00.html by this reporter Page 1 of 1 02:00 AM May. 07, 2004 PT For 25 years, Ross Hoffman has had a vision: to use tiny changes in the environment to alter the paths of hurricanes, slow down snow storms and turn dark days bright. For most of those years, Hoffman kept his ideas largely to himself. His adviser at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology told him weather control was too outlandish for his Ph.D. thesis. The chances of a buttoned-down foundation or government agency funding such research were so slim, Hoffman didn't even bother to ask. But, in 2001, all that changed. Hoffman stumbled upon a tiny, obscure cranny of the American space program -- the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts http://www.niac.usra.edu/, or NIAC. In this $4 million-a-year agency, Hoffman found a place where the wildest of ideas were not only tolerated, they were welcome. Shape-shifting space suits http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/abstract/714Hodgson.html? Step right up. Antimatter-powered probes to Alpha Centauri http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/abstract/850Howe.html? No problem. Robotic armada to destroy incoming asteroids http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/abstract/889Olds.html? Pal, just sign on the dotted line. Weather control seemed downright down to earth in comparison. Hoffman is now wrapping up his half-million-dollar study for NIAC. But the agency is continuing to bankroll concepts for a future decades away. Some space analysts wonder how long it can last, however. With NASA in turmoil, and a presidential directive to return to the moon, will a science fiction-oriented agency like NIAC survive? They're interested in taking some risks, unlike most other government organizations these days, said Hoffman, a vice president at Atmospheric and Environmental Research http://www.aer.com/ in Lexington, Massachusetts. At NIAC, if it's not risky, it's not going to get funded. Over the last six years, NIAC has backed 118 studies into the chanciest of propositions: interplanetary rapid transit http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/abstract/524Nock.html, aircraft without moving parts http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/abstract/836Colozza.html, and radio signals bounced off of meteors' trails http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/abstract/815Charania.html. The idea, according to NIAC director Robert Cassanova, is to give concepts 10 to 40 years out a chance to grow, and then to pass those models on to NASA proper for further development. The agency's best-known baby is the so-called space elevator http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,60449,00.html -- a 62,000-mile twine of carbon nanotubes that would transport cargo into orbit. Technically, NIAC isn't part of the space agency, Cassanova said. It's a wing of the Universities Space Research Association -- a collection of colleges that work together on final-frontier studies. Through the group, NASA gives Cassanova a few million a year to hand out to way-out researchers. NIAC hands out two types of grants. Six-month Phase I investigations receive $75,000 each. Phase II grants go up to $400,000, for 18 to 24 months of study. With his award, Hoffman tweaked a weather-prediction program to show that moving a hurricane was possible -- at least in theory. Here's how: You need a ring of satellites in orbit, channeling the sun's energy, stretching around the Earth. The machines would beam power http://www.defensetech.org/archives/000658.html to the planet, using microwaves. But, tuned to 183 GHz, they could also heat up small regions of the atmosphere by a degree or two. Those small changes could have enormous impact, Hoffman's simulation showed. A deadly hurricane, headed for the Hawaiian island of Kauai, drifted off into the Pacific, harmlessly. One of the great things about NIAC is that they never say, 'That's crazy, you can never build a fleet of solar-powered space stations,' Hoffman said. Such a system is decades off -- if it ever happens at all. But analysts like Brian Chase, vice president of the Space Foundation http://www.spacefoundation.org/, see research like Hoffman's as critically important. It's impossible to make breakthroughs if all you're funding is immediate, near-term applications, he said. Chase is concerned, however, that NASA may be pressured to drop its far-out studies. These are tight times, he said. It's tricky balancing how much can be obtained for the moon and Mars versus how much can be obtained for the longer-term stuff. Often, it's one of the first areas to get cut. NIAC isn't the only arm of the space agency engaged in projects that border on the fantastic. The Marshall Space Flight Center, for example, is looking at propelling spaceships with electrodynamic tethers http://www1.msfc.nasa.gov/NEWSROOM/background/facts/tether.pdf (PDF).
[biofuel] Re: Wood chipper report
- hi walt. what do you want for the steam engine?? we want to run one as an adjunct to our 25hp boiler which runs our biodiesel plant and distillery.we would love to use an old timey steam motor to run a generator..we want a cogeneration segment as part of our fuel production system. P,S. are you talking about destructive distillation of methanol or using the chips for gasification? we are fitting out six wheel drive duece and a half with a chipper and a portable sawmill so we can implement a resource recovery program here in the Smoky mountains recovering bettle killed trees and recycling them let me know please how much for your steam engine..$$$ thanks Marc In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Long-term readers will recall that Windward's biofuel work is focused on converting waste wood into methanol. One of the critical steps on that journey involves the need to convert forest cullings into a standardized feedstock. Late last fall we purchased a PTO mounted chipper for $1950 from Tractors-Etc 83969 N Pacific Hwy Creswell OR 97426 Telephone: 541-895-2550, Fax: 541-895-2756 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's a url for the importer http://www.chinadepot.com/woodchip.html By the time we got it home and assembled, we barely got to chip anything before snow settled in for the winter. Fast-forwarding five months, a spring windstorm brought down a dead pine, and in the process of cleaning that up we finally got a chance to try out the chipper generating three 55 gallon drums of chips. http://www.windward.org/notes/notes64/wdchip02.jpg We've still haven't gotten the feed mechanism adjusted right yet, but we're learning as we go and at this point I'm confident that it's going to do good work for us. Here's a picture of the chips we're getting. http://www.windward.org/notes/notes64/wdchip01.jpg The upshot is that we're very happy with this piece of gear. Walt http://www.windward.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
On Friday, May 14, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Bruce Colley wrote: Ed- Some comments: Also, it would be very good to see this undertaken as someone's academic work, and to see more testing done in an updated way via funded research here in Canada and the USA, as well as elsewhere in the world. I see incredible enthusiasm and interest in the entire area of sustainable fuels from students, and someone could perform a huge service for this cause by introducing students at all levels to the possibilities of studying the chemistry, physics, agriculture, biology, social, economic, political and business aspects and implications of sustainable fuels. I certainly agree with that! (I also do some part-time instructing at a university here, so get to hear from students about this quite a lot - and yes, I think it is time we had more programs focusing on renewable energy and the issues surrounding it. I've started making inquiries about this to see if a program might be started here at one of our provincial universities) For long term, large scale use (and I've just been having a very good discussion with Michael Briggs at the University of Vermont about this, do you know him?) then there are all sorts of production models and issues to discuss - a very large topic. I don't know Michael Briggs, but would like to know of his work. Maybe you could encourage him to participate in this forum. He may be on the list, but I will forward that to him. (SVO powered generator project) Yes, also very much of interest to me, and mentioned earlier to me - how is that going? Absolutely. SNIP ENDSNIP For the hybrid EV, the three phase output is rectified and then used to drive a DC motor and/or charge the batteries. I would like to first develop a vehicle around this which could demonstrate the feasibility of economical (100 miles/gal), low emissions, sustainably fueled personal transportation.(If you connect to: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_future.html and then scroll down to Leading the way: Volkswagen 1-liter Concept, you will see that they are using a one cylinder diesel engine in a vehicle that they claim is achieving over 200 mpg (and it isn't even a hybrid!)). Yes, I have seen that and shown a copy of the article about it at shows - to let people here know just how much can be accomplished with the technologies we already have, if we choose to do so. Another interesting application of the generator is for farm equipment. It would seem obviously compelling to offer farmers the choice of using oil that they can produce (or which is produced through a co-op) in machinery that they use to produce the oil producing crops (or other crops for that matter.) Frankly, I don't know how much farm equipment is already diesel powered, and if it would therefore be economically sensible to convert such equipment to diesel electric hybrid, or else to just convert it to run on SVO or to use biodiesel. The majority of farm and marine applications are diesel. I think there's a lot of scope for greater use of biodiesel, SVO and DEH (diesel electric hybrid) on farms, in mobile equipment and in generators, etc. We just did some work with the people at Gaviotas, via a group from Boulder Biodiesel Co-op. They were down there helping get the biodiesel stuff going, and contacted me about a kit for a tractor. They got it installed just before leaving from their visit there. Wonderful stuff happening in India, too, like the Honge oil projects and the Indian railway projects. And, Dr. Peder Jensen's study of SVO for use in the European Union really highlighted what a good fit it all is for a closed loop system within agriculture. Also, the camelina Sativa project with the peas, that I mentioned, was a good demo of how you can grow an energy crop and a field crop together and get multiple benefits, and for the energy portion in that case it was found that the oil they got equalled the energy used to produce the crop, and no petroleum-based pesticides/carriers, so greater energy independence and sustainability. If it is predominantly gasoline powered, then this could be interesting, and possibly a simpler initial undertaking than the hybrid EV. Mostly diesel already (farmers have to be fuel-efficient!!), so biodiesel and SVO first, and DEH later, maybe. I have interest in this from someone raising Jatropha in Mexico. (He informs me that mechanical harvesting of Jatropha seeds is very advantageous.) As you know, even one demonstration project of this nature can garner beaucoup publicity and raise awareness and consciousness on a wide scale. Sure! Say, will you be able to make it to the SVO event at SolWest? Sounds like a possibility. I will be looking forward to seeing more information on this. Ok, well if you can make it, we'll hope to see you there. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca Bruce Colley
[biofuel] Discrepency in volumes
When I measure out WVO to make a test batch I am finding that the measurement is greater once the oil is heated, which of course messes things up. When calculating to determine the amount of lye/methanol blend to use is it done when the WVO is at room temp or once the oil is heated ? Room temp is more gloppy as you know but turns very liquid once heated. Help ! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] alternatives for methanol
to whom it may concern, I am a Maltese chap and diesel here is very expensive, and i thought of an environmental free alternative fuel and bio-diesel seemed the answer. but the METHANOL in malta is a bit expensive can someone please tell me if there are any other alternatives.. Can anyone send me the pdf file of joshua tickells book from the fryer to the tank please at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Syngas to methanol
At 11:40 AM 5/15/04 +, you wrote: - hi walt. what do you want for the steam engine?? we want to run one as an adjunct to our 25hp boiler which runs our biodiesel plant and distillery.we would love to use an old timey steam motor to run a generator..we want a cogeneration segment as part of our fuel production system. It looks like a historical association has come together to purchase the steam engine and return it to it's original use, that of powering a carousel that's maintained by a local community. The reason we decided to not use the old engine for the purpose you're describing is that there are new engines available that will do the job, so we figured that it didn't make sense to put the wear and tear on an antique. Consequently we replaced the 5 hp antique with a 1 hp engine from Mike Brown. http://home.earthlink.net/~dlaw70/12stmng.htm The plan is to use a thermal battery to store heat and then use that heat to operate the smaller steam engine 24x7. If one's primary focus is on electrical generation, then going with a larger engine makes sense, but when you're talking about co-generation, and the generation of electricity is ancillary, then the smaller set up is easier to work with, develop and control. We're in a net metering situation, so we're just looking to replace the electricity we use, not to try and produce a surplus. P,S. are you talking about destructive distillation of methanol or using the chips for gasification? we are fitting out six wheel drive duece and a half with a chipper and a portable sawmill so we can implement a resource recovery program here in the Smoky mountains recovering bettle killed trees and recycling them The path we're pursuing is to convert the woodchips into syngas, and then condense that into methanol. There have been two major developments in that area. The first involves grinding up the zinc oxide catalyst into a powder that's slurried with mineral oil. This allowed the through-pass conversion rates to climb from the traditional 5% per pass to around 20%. Just as importantly, it allowed the use of a micro reactor, i.e. the engineering tests that were used to design the plant described in the link below was a six foot length of one inch diameter stainless steel pipe. http://www.lanl.gov/projects/cctc/factsheets/estmn/csliquiddemo.html The second involves a co-catalyst system developed by Dr. Mahajan which allows the reaction to proceed at much reduced temperatures and pressures (100 PSI and 150 C) The co-catalyst is also much less sensitive to the presence of CO2 in the feed stream. This route is especially interesting because it raises the single pass conversion rate up to better than 90%. At that point, you can burn off the uncondensed gas and not have to worry about the accumulation of inert gases (i.e. N2) in the reactor. The url for the published patent application is long so I'll just invite those who are interested to go to http://appft1.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html and search for mahajan and methanol. The information is under patent application number 20030158270. Currently we're undertaking to install a 100' tower and wind generator in order to produce quantities of H2 and O2. We're planning on using O2 (instead of air) to drive the thermodynamics of the conversion, and will use the H2 to adjust the ratio of CO to H2 in the syngas. Hope this helps clarify what we're doing. Walt http://www.windward.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
My 96 Passat TDI, with a performance Upsolute chip installed for fun and power, has never gotten below 33 mpg, no matter how hard and fast I drive it in the city. Hiway is never under 45 mpg. This is an old TDI, the newer pump duece tdi's are even better, many tdi drivers get over 60 mpg on the highway. All in a car that is heavy, strong, durable and safe. Imagine if they made it like Honda and cut out 600 lbs. of weight. Chuck - Original Message - From: murdoch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 2:11 AM Subject: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short In my view, it is long overdue that the EPA should improve its tests to reflect real-world mileage and not their out-of-touch lab work. http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,63413,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 Hybrid cars are hot, but not as hot as their owners, who complain that their gas mileage hasn't come close to well-advertised estimates. Don't knock the car companies for inflated claims: Experts say the blame lies with the 19-year-old EPA fuel-efficiency test that overstates hybrid performance. Pete Blackshaw was so excited about getting a hybrid gasoline-electric car that he had his wife videotape the trip to the Honda dealership to pick up his Civic Hybrid. The enthusiastic owner ordered a customized license plate with MO MILES on it, and started a blog about his new hybrid lifestyle. But after a few months of commuting to his job in Cincinnati, Blackshaw's hybrid euphoria vanished as his car's odometer revealed that the gas mileage he was hoping for was only a pipe dream. Honda's Civic Hybrid is rated by the EPA to get 47 miles per gallon in the city, and 48 mpg on the highway. After nearly 1,000 miles of mostly city driving, Blackshaw was getting 31.4 mpg. I feel like a complete fraud driving around Cincinnati with a license plate that says MO MILES, says Blackshaw, who claims that after 4,000 miles his car has never gotten more than 33 mpg on any trip. The tenor of Blackshaw's blog shifted from adulation to frustration after his Honda dealer confirmed that his car was functioning properly, and that there was nothing he could do. [etc.] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Wood chipper report
Walt, Would you get a better result if your chip's were as fine as possible, would it be worth it to run the chips through the chipper again? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 23:34 Subject: [biofuel] Wood chipper report Long-term readers will recall that Windward's biofuel work is focused on converting waste wood into methanol. One of the critical steps on that journey involves the need to convert forest cullings into a standardized feedstock. Late last fall we purchased a PTO mounted chipper for $1950 from Tractors-Etc 83969 N Pacific Hwy Creswell OR 97426 Telephone: 541-895-2550, Fax: 541-895-2756 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's a url for the importer http://www.chinadepot.com/woodchip.html By the time we got it home and assembled, we barely got to chip anything before snow settled in for the winter. Fast-forwarding five months, a spring windstorm brought down a dead pine, and in the process of cleaning that up we finally got a chance to try out the chipper generating three 55 gallon drums of chips. http://www.windward.org/notes/notes64/wdchip02.jpg We've still haven't gotten the feed mechanism adjusted right yet, but we're learning as we go and at this point I'm confident that it's going to do good work for us. Here's a picture of the chips we're getting. http://www.windward.org/notes/notes64/wdchip01.jpg The upshot is that we're very happy with this piece of gear. Walt http://www.windward.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
Say, will you be able to make it to the SVO event at SolWest? Sounds like a possibility. I will be looking forward to seeing more information on this. Ok, well if you can make it, we'll hope to see you there. How about Solfest? Are you and other SVO people going to be there? As usual, it is shaping up to be a very good event. (Charris Ford told me a few days ago that he and Daryl Hanna are going to be speaking there, among others - extra incentive!) I would be interested in meeting with you and other SVO/WVO proponents to discuss various big picture topics. Although Biodiesel has received the majority of the publicity and attention up until now, I think that SVO/WVO in the long run has compelling advantages that will (or at least should) cause it to predominate. However, the Biodiesel people have their Biodiesel Board, Joshua Tickell, their celebrities, and other advantages. While Biodiesel is great, and both fuels have an important place, I would like to see the SVO proponents get organized. Maybe what is needed is at least some informal group or maybe even a trade association that can help to get the SVO message out, and educate, publicize, lobby, do research, and serve as an information clearinghouse in order to level the playing field relative to biodiesel. Bruce Colley, Sustainable Energy Project www.sustainableenergyproject.org - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO? On Friday, May 14, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Bruce Colley wrote: Ed- Some comments: Also, it would be very good to see this undertaken as someone's academic work, and to see more testing done in an updated way via funded research here in Canada and the USA, as well as elsewhere in the world. I see incredible enthusiasm and interest in the entire area of sustainable fuels from students, and someone could perform a huge service for this cause by introducing students at all levels to the possibilities of studying the chemistry, physics, agriculture, biology, social, economic, political and business aspects and implications of sustainable fuels. I certainly agree with that! (I also do some part-time instructing at a university here, so get to hear from students about this quite a lot - and yes, I think it is time we had more programs focusing on renewable energy and the issues surrounding it. I've started making inquiries about this to see if a program might be started here at one of our provincial universities) For long term, large scale use (and I've just been having a very good discussion with Michael Briggs at the University of Vermont about this, do you know him?) then there are all sorts of production models and issues to discuss - a very large topic. I don't know Michael Briggs, but would like to know of his work. Maybe you could encourage him to participate in this forum. He may be on the list, but I will forward that to him. (SVO powered generator project) Yes, also very much of interest to me, and mentioned earlier to me - how is that going? Absolutely. SNIP ENDSNIP For the hybrid EV, the three phase output is rectified and then used to drive a DC motor and/or charge the batteries. I would like to first develop a vehicle around this which could demonstrate the feasibility of economical (100 miles/gal), low emissions, sustainably fueled personal transportation.(If you connect to: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_future.html and then scroll down to Leading the way: Volkswagen 1-liter Concept, you will see that they are using a one cylinder diesel engine in a vehicle that they claim is achieving over 200 mpg (and it isn't even a hybrid!)). Yes, I have seen that and shown a copy of the article about it at shows - to let people here know just how much can be accomplished with the technologies we already have, if we choose to do so. Another interesting application of the generator is for farm equipment. It would seem obviously compelling to offer farmers the choice of using oil that they can produce (or which is produced through a co-op) in machinery that they use to produce the oil producing crops (or other crops for that matter.) Frankly, I don't know how much farm equipment is already diesel powered, and if it would therefore be economically sensible to convert such equipment to diesel electric hybrid, or else to just convert it to run on SVO or to use biodiesel. The majority of farm and marine applications are diesel. I think there's a lot of scope for greater use of biodiesel, SVO and DEH (diesel electric hybrid) on farms, in mobile equipment and in generators, etc. We just did some work with the people at
Re: [biofuel] alternatives for methanol
Hello Jean Paul to whom it may concern, I am a Maltese chap and diesel here is very expensive, and i thought of an environmental free alternative fuel and bio-diesel seemed the answer. but the METHANOL in malta is a bit expensive can someone please tell me if there are any other alternatives.. You can also use ethanol, there are details here: Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester But this is not for novices - for instance, it says there: Making ethyl-esters biodiesel using ethanol is a tricky process, not as simple as making methyl esters with methanol. Get plenty of experience making biodiesel with methanol before you try it with ethanol. Get comfortable titrating your oil for FFAs (free fatty acids); you'll need to do that when you use ethanol. Etc. If you try it without gaining some (or a lot) of experience first, you'll fail. So, start at the beginning, which is here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Can anyone send me the pdf file of joshua tickells book from the fryer to the tank please at Joshua's book is copyrighted and is not to be distributed free over the Internet. Please, anyone who may have a pdf copy of it, DON'T send it to Jean Paul, or anyone. If you want the book you'll have to buy it. That said, Joshua's book has been severely criticised. You'll find some of criticisms here: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31729/ Don't take any notice of that book, it'll only lead you astray. Follow the information at Journey to Forever. ... Which starts at the where-to-start link I gave you above. Read the whole thing. There's a lot more information at the Journey to Forever biodiesel section, and in the online Biofuels library there, everything you need to know. (And it's free.) Another great resource is the archives of this list. It's a treasure house of information on all aspects of biofuels, especially biodiesel - it contains 34,000 messages over the last for years, many of them from leaders in the field worldwide. It's an independent archives, not Yahoo's, provided and maintained by list member Martin Klingensmith, with powerful, fast and efficient searching, and no ads. Best wishes Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] B100 / B20
Hellop Kevin Just chuck it in and go. Don't worry but changing the fuel lines, something of an overrated concern, it will probably never happen. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#rubber Biodiesel and your vehicle Compatibility Rubber If it does happen it won't be a sudden catastrophe, you'll have warning. Best Keith While reading the below post for B20, the thought is...Can I add Biodiesel to my fuel tank (with existing petrol diesel present) in any proportions? I would prefer to mix BD with Petro as 1) I don't have enough to BD production to fill-up . 2) I have not yet replaced any rubber hoses to viton in my fuel lines. What mix is recommended (if any) for 55F-90F seasonal climate? Thanks for your inputs in advance, -Kevin - Original Message - From: Busyditch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] B100 / B20 Mix 2 gallons of B100 with 8 gallons of petro diesel for the proper blend.(B20 = 20%) - Original Message - From: dewey_nc To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: [biofuel] B100 / B20 If you add 2 gal. of B100 to petrol. diesel, do you have B20? Are there any issues with blending? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] alternatives for methanol
You might consider converting your engine to run on straight vegetable oil and eliminate the need for methanol. For conversion information, see: http://www.biofuels.ca/ http://www.elsbett.com/gmbh/eindex.htm http://www.elsbett.com/wwwusa/engl/corporate.htm I have several new copies of the latest edition of Tickell's book that sell for US$24.95 plus shipping. If you are really ambitious, you may consider growing oil producing crops. Depending on the soil conditions or climate in Malta, there may be many possibilities. Try: http://www.jatropha.de Bruce Colley, Sustainable Energy Project http://www.sustainableenergyproject.org - Original Message - From: Jean Paul To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:42 AM Subject: [biofuel] alternatives for methanol to whom it may concern, I am a Maltese chap and diesel here is very expensive, and i thought of an environmental free alternative fuel and bio-diesel seemed the answer. but the METHANOL in malta is a bit expensive can someone please tell me if there are any other alternatives.. Can anyone send me the pdf file of joshua tickells book from the fryer to the tank please at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war
Hi Ryan, Where do you get your news/views from? Fox News! I don't know where to start in correcting the inaccuracies in your statements, nor do I have the time. I think the best thing you could do would be to read almost any book by Noam Chomsky (What Uncle Sam Really Wants or Deterring Democracy)about the way America runs the world. Did you never hear of the American overthrow of democratically elected governments in Chile and Guatemala and Iran? Regards Dermot -Original Message- From: Ryan Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 May 2004 09:22 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war Hey Todd et al, let's not make this personal, did you perhaps not see my :)?. I was merely saying that we have all benefited in the long run from the genocide that happened in North America in the past. One cannot judge history by modern standards, that's History 101! America is single-handedly the most innovative populace the world has ever known period. Look around you, the technology our democracy and free markets have produced and continue to produce have saved countless more lives, and provided for even more than were lost in the settling of this land. We are all benefiting from this, our life expectancy is much higher than even two generations ago, and our quality of life is unimaginable to those in the past. Do you like your medicine? Your efficient, convenient way of life? Your entertainment, refrigerator, how about your computer, it's software and the Internet? Have you ever used a phone, or turned on a light, or read a newspaper, or wondered about the mysteries of Space? This country has developed more technology than any other past or present, that we are all benefiting from. Furthermore, who does the world look to for justice in the world? Were it not the Americans who emerged victorious in WWI and WWII saving the world from tyranny and genocide? Did anyone else contribute more to the plight of the South Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Kuwaitis and Saudis, or to the people of Yugoslavia? Who stopped the communists from taking over the world? Has anyone else offered to bail out countless corrupt government after corrupt government, saving people from poverty, without even asking to be re-paid? Do I condone genocide? Of course not. But we, in this day and age, have all benefited from it. That is all I am saying. As for my comments on the need to reduce incentive for stability in the Middle East, I apologize for painting anyone on this list (who did not want to be painted) as working toward reducing dependency on foreign oil, specifically oil from the Middle East. What I meant to say, is that I am working to reduce our dependency on foreign oil so that we as a nation have less of a reason (incentive) to meddle in the affairs of the Middle East. As far as I can tell (and I have never been there) the region is fraught with religious strife, brutality, ignorance, and hatred. In short, most of the countries there seem almost laughably behind the times given their resources, corrupt, and no place to be if you were born with fallopian tubes and a uterus. Islamic law fosters fear, slows progress, and is easily abused by those in power. We are fighting the evil, backward, minority in Iraq for many reasons, oil, hope, and liberation among them. We have attempted to provide them with hope for a brighter future, teach them about democracy and free trade, so that we may watch them prosper, and no one can seem to get past centuries old grudges and hatred toward one another and us. It got so bad, one man ordered the hijacking and crashing of our own planes (once again our inventions) into our own skyscrapers (dido) because we had established a base in The Holy Land to promote stability in the region, and he couldn't handle we Infidels on his turf. Where were the Muslims after 9/11? I sure didn't hear cries of outrage and condemnation from their community, did you? In fact the silence, at least state-side, was deafening. We are infidels, and every good Muslim must rid the world of infidels according to the Koran, am I right? So I say, Fine, you want me dead? I'll fight you back by not buying your oil and watching you figure out the world doesn't work that way anymore and changing. I buy and promote biodiesel to give the people of the Middle East incentive to find another line of work and move forward. As for the non-American majority on this list, stop and consider, for a moment where you would be without us. Ryan -Original Message- From: appalenergy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:50 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: US poll about Iraq war Crikey Ryan! Did you read what you wrote? Do you even understand what it is that you communicated? How distored a perspective can you have when you say that much more good has come from our use of the land for the good
Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
Hello Bruce Keith- Thanks for your comments and the very helpful links. You're welcome. I would very much like to carry on this discussion on the agricultural aspects of oil production after I have had a chance to study the links and other information in more detail. Whenever. Always a welcome discussion that doesn't get enough attention, IMO. People are happy enough to pin on the word sustainable every time they say biofuels, and yet there's this lack of focus on how you grow the stuff. Sustainable biofuels cannot be a product of an unsustainable agriculture system, which is what we have now, in the main, and that's not for want of thoroughly viable, proven and practised alternatives that are truly sustainable. Best Keith Bruce Colley, Sustainable Energy Project www.sustainableenergyproject.org snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war
Good grief Ryan! Merely saying? LOL! Hey Todd et al, let's not make this personal, did you perhaps not see my :)?. I was merely saying that we have all benefited in the long run from the genocide that happened in North America in the past. One cannot judge history by modern standards, that's History 101! But that's what you're doing. America is single-handedly the most innovative populace the world has ever known period. Is that how you measure progress? Read on, and it is how you measure progress - your idea of progress has a capital P and is preceded by a silent T, for Technological. It went out the door in the sixties, Ryan. Forty years ago the Modernist Project was deemed to have failed, now it's known as the Myth of Modernism. What followed, or tried to, was Post-Modernism, still only defined by what preceded it because true progress, human progress, the real story of history, got sidetracked (once again) by the current Neo-Liberal era, if that's what it is, which merely compounds the failures of Modernism, especially its more lethal aspects. If you don't know all this then you're living in a sort of suburban dream out of a 1955 Reader's Digest. Look around you, the technology our democracy and free markets have produced and continue to produce have saved countless more lives, and provided for even more than were lost in the settling of this land. We are all benefiting from this, our life expectancy is much higher than even two generations ago, and our quality of life is unimaginable to those in the past. Do you like your medicine? That gave me a real belly-laugh! Reminded of another belly-laugh I had when a doctor got furious with me and yelled Of course we're more healhy now! We have six times as many hospital beds! I really hope you didn't have to think about that one. ... our life expectancy is much higher than even two generations ago... and there lies the flaw. Go back to *before* industrialisation and you find an altogether different picture. The picture you're seeing is a prime case of your History 101, judging history by modern standards. Please see: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/16019/ Note the please - I hope you do read it this time, you didn't last time, nor the time before that. Anyway, do you think being healthy is a matter of taking medicine? Are you quite sure modern medicines are better? We certainly have better diseases these days, I'll give you that, both us and the biosphere we're supposed to be a part of, something of a severe but under-reported casualty of your brand of Progress. Your efficient, convenient way of life? Your entertainment, refrigerator, how about your computer, it's software and the Internet? Have you ever used a phone, or turned on a light, or read a newspaper, or wondered about the mysteries of Space? This country has developed more technology than any other past or present, that we are all benefiting from. Furthermore, who does the world look to for justice in the world? Were it not the Americans who emerged victorious in WWI and WWII saving the world from tyranny and genocide? Did anyone else contribute more to the plight of the South Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Kuwaitis and Saudis, or to the people of Yugoslavia? Who stopped the communists from taking over the world? Has anyone else offered to bail out countless corrupt government after corrupt government, saving people from poverty, without even asking to be re-paid? Do I condone genocide? Of course not. But we, in this day and age, have all benefited from it. That is all I am saying. You certainly condone jingoism. Look at what Al Sharpton said about trade - never mind which party he represents or whatever, just look at it: Rev. Sharpton also opposes NAFTA and the World Trade Organization. I disagreed with NAFTA when Clinton was in, and I think that we have come to see that that disagreement was correct, said Sharpton, following up on Kucinich's broadside. I think that we cannot have trade policy that overlooks labor, overlooks workers' rights, overlooks environmental concerns. We can't act like just because something is trade, that also that makes it right. African-Americans are here on a bad trade policy. Now that's breaking it down in civilized language. The slave trade was fantastically lucrative, a centuries-long commerce that shaped every society in the Americas south of Canada and allowed Europe to assume its unnatural position of dominance in the world. I'm here on a bad trade policy, said Rev. Al. So just because it's trade, doesn't mean that it is good and it is something that we should support. By your reasoning, shouldn't he rather by counting the benefits the slave trade brought him as a privileged American instead of the probably impoverished backward African he'd have been but for slavery? You should read the rest of that article, it sort of follows on from what I was saying above about the Reader's Digest
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Keith, Thank you for your reply. I wrote a lengthy reply to apprl and then my server crashed.So I wrote a second note that turned into war and peace.Being only a two finger typer,it goes pretty slow.Thank you for the kind way you explained just who Podvin was.I meant no disrespect to the man.But I do disagree strongly with what little I have read. Then, Rico, I suggest you try reading the links I posted in that message, since I don't think you did, or maybe you'd have noticed they were by Greg Palast, not David Podvin. Thanks for a great bio diesel forum. Well, thankyou, but everyone's to blame for that, not just me. :-) (Um, not just biodiesel!) PS I really like the people here too.I just can't help myself sometimes. Indeed yes. Fractious lot they (we) can be though, I can see I'm going to have to hit the Sweetness Light button again soon. Trouble is it doesn't work, completely ineffective, must be M$ stuff I suppose, mumble mumble... Keith Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from?? Planet USA, I believe. As is Greg Palast, though he had to go elsewhere because he's a first-rate investigative journalist and he found that the ever-more-concentrated ownership of the allegedly free media on Planet USA disapproved of the truth because it got in their way. But, though based now on Planet UK, which is marginally better in such things though still far from ideal, he continues to report on events on Planet USA. The fact that large numbers of the citizens of Planet USA have voted with their pockets to keep Palast's book on these matters in the top 10 bestsellers list for some time now would seem to indicate that a considerable proportion of that planet's population agrees with him and Podvin, and many others, and not with the media owners and you, and many others, when it comes to things like truth and what is and is not disproven. You could be among them. You should be among them, you owe it to yourself. You owe it to everyone. Among them the large numbers of other citizens of Planet USA who were denied a vote because they had been unjustly criminalised - guilty in advance, potential felons, as Jeb Bush called them, suspected of potentially attempting to vote while being black. Which is about to happen all over again, and not just in Florida, though it wasn't just in Florida last time too. See, for instance: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040517s=palast April 29, 2004 Vanishing Votes by Gregory Palast More: http://GregPalast.com/columns.cfm?subject_id=1subject_name=Theft%20of %20Presidency Columns - Theft of Presidency Not just one man saying so on the basis of nothing (like you), it's all in the record, for those who care to look. You can get the book here - it's called The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: http://www.gregpalast.com/store.htm Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! You mean Manifest Destiny? I'd rather let the truth get in the way of it, no matter how inconvenient that might be. Best Keith FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/021001_ManifestDestiny.htm snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re [biofuel] Wood chipper report
Perhaps a hammer mill might be a better second stage unit if you want to reduce the chip size. I have a Papec unit, runs off a belt drive on an old H tractor that I used to mill grain. It comes with different size screens so that you can get just about any size you need. This equipment would all be available at farm auctions, probably for very reasonable prices, as generally it is outmoded for farm use. Assume you are talking about a size somewhat larger than sawdust. Sawdust, so far as I know is a readily available waste material, used, again in agriculture, last time I heard, for cattle bedding. Glenn Ellis In a message dated 5/15/2004 1:54:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would you get a better result if your chip's were as fine as possible, would it be worth it to run the chips through the chipper again? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 23:34 Subject: [biofuel] Wood chipper report Long-term readers will recall that Windward's biofuel work is focused on converting waste wood into methanol. One of the critical steps on that journey involves the need to convert forest cullings into a standardized feedstock. Late last fall we purchased a PTO mounted chipper for $1950 from Tractors-Etc 83969 N Pacific Hwy Creswell OR 97426 Telephone: 541-895-2550, Fax: 541-895-2756 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's a url for the importer http://www.chinadepot.com/woodchip.html By the time we got it home and assembled, we barely got to chip anything before snow settled in for the winter. Fast-forwarding five months, a spring windstorm brought down a dead pine, and in the process of cleaning that up we finally got a chance to try out the chipper generating three 55 gallon drums of chips. http://www.windward.org/notes/notes64/wdchip02.jpg We've still haven't gotten the feed mechanism adjusted right yet, but we're learning as we go and at this point I'm confident that it's going to do good work for us. Here's a picture of the chips we're getting. http://www.windward.org/notes/notes64/wdchip01.jpg The upshot is that we're very happy with this piece of gear. Walt http://www.windward.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] alternatives for methanol
You might consider converting your engine to run on straight vegetable oil and eliminate the need for methanol. For conversion information, see: http://www.biofuels.ca/ http://www.elsbett.com/gmbh/eindex.htm http://www.elsbett.com/wwwusa/engl/corporate.htm For a comparison, see: Three choices 1. Mixing it 2. Straight vegetable oil 3. Biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#3choices More information: Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html I have several new copies of the latest edition of Tickell's book that sell for US$24.95 plus shipping. If you are really ambitious, you may consider growing oil producing crops. Depending on the soil conditions or climate in Malta, there may be many possibilities. Try: http://www.jatropha.de There's a huge amount of information an many different oil and energy crops available in the databases linked from here: Other oil crops http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#othercrops Best Keith Bruce Colley, Sustainable Energy Project http://www.sustainableenergyproject.org - Original Message - From: Jean Paul To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:42 AM Subject: [biofuel] alternatives for methanol to whom it may concern, I am a Maltese chap and diesel here is very expensive, and i thought of an environmental free alternative fuel and bio-diesel seemed the answer. but the METHANOL in malta is a bit expensive can someone please tell me if there are any other alternatives.. Can anyone send me the pdf file of joshua tickells book from the fryer to the tank please at [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Discrepency in volumes
Test batches and large batches... It doesn't have to be perfect each time you process BD with regards to the ingredients and their amounts used. Just close enough. Use the heated WVO as your benchmark is my 2 cents. That works great for me. -Michael +++ Quoting biobenz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When I measure out WVO to make a test batch I am finding that the measurement is greater once the oil is heated, which of course messes things up. When calculating to determine the amount of lye/methanol blend to use is it done when the WVO is at room temp or once the oil is heated ? Room temp is more gloppy as you know but turns very liquid once heated. Help ! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
