Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday
Hello Keith, Thanks a lot for the leads to the RxP additive, which seems to operate by enhancing combustion by infra red absorption from the burning fuel in the engine while simultaneously providing an envelope of moisture over the flame thus reducing NOx formation. The claimed benefits include cleaner burning, de-carbonisation, enhanced Cetane and Octane Number, higher hp and low treatment ratios (an ounce of RxP to treat 10 gallons of Dino diesel). It is based on a blend of hydrocarbon distillates. Tests conducted on a boiler at St. Mary's Hospital, Long Beach, produced the following results : NOx emissions averaged 27.8 parts per million (ppm), which was 30% below that required by the SCAQMD standards. CO emissions averaged 104.4 ppm, which was 74% below that required by the SCAQMD standards. Here are the direct links : http://www.rxp.com/Press_Telegraph.htm http://www.rxp.com/wouldn.htm http://www.rxp.com/test-cov.htm Does anybody have field experience with this ? Biofuel Systems did not respond. I look forward to further info on your Japanese friends' work on rapeseed oil based additives. Regards, balaji - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday Hello Balaji Hello Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday There are also additives available which lower NOx emissions with biodiesel. Could you please provide links/information on these additives ? Are they vegoil based ? I only know of one, but I think there are others. It's linked in this message, along with more discussion on NOx which you may find interesting. I don't know if it's vegoil-based or not. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/33712/ Re: NOx/Ozone You might also ask these people, they may be able to help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a company here in Japan that we're friendly with who're working on rapeseed-oil-based additives for biodiesel, interesting stuff but not on the market yet. I'll post more information when I have it. HTH Best wishes Keith Regards balaji Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Introduction
Hello everyone. I'm new to exploring biofuels so I'm sure I'll be asking a lot of questions and reading a lot of information posted on here. I thought I'd say hello and try to find out if there's anyone near me that makes biodiesel. I live in Kansas City, Missouri, USA. I've read a lot of the Journey to Forever site, and I'm getting ready to make some test batches to see what's involved in the whole process of making my own diesel. I do feel a little overwhelmed at the moment, so I'm going to start small. I'm sure that won't last long though. I would like to start off asking to very basic questions. How can I find a supply of methanol and lye? I've seen lye at the hardware store as a drain cleaner, but I'm sure there's a better source. I couldn't find any methanol though. I know my way around basic tools and electricity though so I feel up to building a processor when it comes time to do it. I just need to get my head around the process first so I understand more of the why it works as well as how. Thanks, Ryan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw barchain lube?
Any thoughts on alternative fuels for chainsaws? George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:57 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw barchain lube? Hi J.D. Keith, Gustl, The saw is a Stihl 025 with an 18 bar and a replaceable floating rim sprocket so that replacement isn't much. Same as ours, but yours is bigger. I'm not sure about the floating rim sprocket. Trouble is, it's in bits and pieces. It came with the, um, house, and it was like that when we arrived (a bit like the house). I've looked at it threateningly a few times, close enough to ascertain that all the bits seem to be there, but it's still in its box. We've been using circular saws up to now, but we have need of a working chainsaw, I'll have to do more than just threaten it soon. If it works, I'll definitely try biodiesel as lube, and also as 2-stroke oil. Hm, I'll probably need a junked one for spares, have to put in an order with the Gomi Kame (the God of Junk, upon whom we depend rather heavily, he's most cooperative). Some components are near the end of their anticipated useful life so I'm not running that big of a risk. I am not a professional logger, but I do cut a fair bit of firewood, dead trees and waste from construction sites that would otherwise be wasted and make a little something for nothing from it. Yes, quite, so do we. Good for you. I just got the idea and poured it in. I can tell that it is working so far as it has that bit of spray you all talked about from the end of the bar. I have only run it this way for about 15-20 minutes. I will keep you posted. Please. I think teh saw itself might outlast me at the rate I'm using it now. Keith you are right, Stihl makes a vegoil based bar and chain lube. I was interested in it because it is renewable, but the dealer said you'd have to special order taht in the U.S., but that was a few years back. Surely it must be more common than special-order status. It's been discussed here before, how much dino-muck gets spouted around forests by chainsaws. IIRC it's common in Northern Europe, and I think Canada. Ed, don't Neoteric sell that stuff? Canola-based? Best Keith J.D. Hallo J.D., Monday, 17 May, 2004, 01:51:19, you wrote: kmgn I tried some of my test batch in teh oil reservior on my chainsaw today, kmgn and so far noproblems. I read on the JTF site that it is a good non-toxic kmgn household and garden lube. Now for those not familiar with what good bar kmgn and chain lube has to do, it must lubricate the drum, floating rim kmgn sprocket, the chain sprocket and cutting chain. No internal engine parts kmgn are affected. All oil pump assy. parts are cheap and easily replaced as kmgn are most of the other parts I described. WHat do you all think? kmgn Thanks, J.D. I would think that biodiesel is too thin to do the job but that is just a guess. I wouldn't use a good chain saw to test it on. No problems so far is just that, so far. It also has to lubricate the bar and chain as well and needs to stick to those parts as much as possible. Have you ever noticed how much weigh oil comes off the end of that bar as you are cutting? And that is a heavy oil. Chains, bars and sprockets aren't cheap, at least not to me. Let us know how it goes though. Who knows, it could do the trick. Caution is advised, yes, but I think viscosity and lubricity are not the same. Two different problems perhaps - biodiesel might well do the lubrication job well, but could get used up faster because it's thinner. We've had a few reports of people using it as chainsaw barchain lube with success, but no long-term reports. So please keep us advised, J.D., even if it self-destructs. I believe there are vegoil-based chainsaw lubricants available. Best Keith Happy Happy, Gustl -- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Funny you should ask, because I was wondering if you guys had tried burning ethanol in a 2-stroke. I don't know if it would cause problems . I know up to 10 or 20% Ethanol is ok, but any methanol could be bad, really bad from what I hear. Of course that applies specifically to marine 2 cycles, and we're talking air cooled. I'll see if either of the
RE: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser
Thanks, Martin. My thoughts also. Regards, chris -Original Message- From: Martin Klingensmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:07 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser Tan wrote: Fred, Actually, I have been contemplating on this for quite a long time. I have been studying Dale Scroggin's processor which has a vacuum pump in it. (http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html). His schematics (http://home.swbell.net/scrof/procdraw.htm) indicate that the vacuum pump is connected at the end of the vapor line--process tank, condenser, alcohol trap then vacuum pump. But, my concern is since the pump is connected at the end of the line, the alcohol trap is also subjected to vacuum and so considerable alcohol will be re-vaporized and lost to the atmosphere. To minimize alcohol lost, I am thinking that the vacuum pump must be situated before the condenser--process tank, vacuum pump, condenser then liquid trap. I believe the goal may have been to prevent alcohol vapor from going through the vacuum pump. If I were going to build a processor like this, I would add a bubbler full of water after the liquid trap, further cleansing the gas stream of any alcohol vapors. In this setup only the process tank is subjected to vacuum. The condenser and the liquid trap would have a higher pressure, which is conducive to condensation, by constricting the liquid trap air outlet. A totally close condenser system is, I think, close to impossible since the vapor other than alcohol pumped from the processor must go somewhere. A closed system is ideal, and like all ideal things - not possible. With a good condensor [kept cold] the vacuum pump wouldn't have to pull much more than the volume of the alcohol. By the time gas reaches the outlet, the alcohol should have been condensed due to lowered temperature leaving us with just gas (other than alcohol). The velocity of the gas will be diminished as it enters the liquid trap due to its bigger cavity (Bernoulli's principle), thus there is less possibility that the alcohol recovered will be re-vaporized and escape into the air. The recovered alcohol should be kept as cold as possible while it is under the vacuum. If it is kept at the same temperature as the condensor only a small amount should evaporate. I'm sure you know this, I'm just adding comments. How does this sound? good -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Any Northern, CA. sellers of conical chemical tanks?
Check the Thomas Registry. Snyder Tanks has facilities across the nation. Most tank manufacturers produce specific models at specific plants. You might get lucky and a plant/manufacturer nearby produces exactly what you want. If not, you'll have to get used to including freight in your budget. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: TJ Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: [biofuel] Any Northern, CA. sellers of conical chemical tanks? I have found US Plastics but they are in Ohio. Shipping of a 70 gallon plastic conical shapped mixing tank and stand cost an arm and a leg. Is there any companies on California that sell similar tanks? I live in Grass Valley, about an hour from Sacramento. Thanks Thomas Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Anyone on this group live in Oklahoma?
USA: May 18, 2004 OKLAHOMA CITY - Oklahoma police are looking for grease bandits who made off with 5,000 pounds of used cooking oil and grease from three restaurants. Police in Edmond, north of Oklahoma City, said the grease bandits have hit an area of Mexican, Chinese and steak restaurants over the past three months. The robbers took the used cooking grease that was stored in large cylinders in back of the restaurants. The restaurants were planning to sell the grease to a recycling company and the total value of the stolen goods was about $380. Glynda Chu, a spokeswoman for the Edmond police said the bandits had a good idea of how to get money in the used grease market, but she thinks it odd that anyone would put so much effort into making off with so much cooking byproduct. It would be a big chore to haul that smelly stuff away, Chu said. They did, however, make a slick getaway. Copyright REUTERS Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] food production
Does anyone have an idea of the percentage of world wide food production that is dependent on oil and gas? James Hello Keith Difficult question to answer. Even getting a good handle on world wide food production itself isn't that easy. There are figures of course, but often they turn out to mean not quite what they seemed to mean. Would you class mainstream grain production as food, even though most of it's fed to livestock, or would just the livestock products be food, or both? What I'm trying to get a feel for is the percentage of humanity that relies on industrial agriculture and where they are. I think that regarding grain the vast bulk eventually ends up inside people in some form or other, so I'd be inclined to count all as food - or perhaps try to identify other uses as a percentage of the total and deduct. So what else is grain used for? Cosmetics? Cleaning products? Pharmaceuticals? I've no idea in fact. How about the maize that gets turned into high-fructose corn syrup and scattered throughout the industrialised processed food supply? Is that food? I'd say yes, assuming that most of it ends up in human stomachs. If food is what people actually eat, then there are a great many people who depend on food production that doesn't appear in the production figures, like the very large numbers fed by city farms for instance. Subsistence farms also often get left out, or they lie about their production (if they have any sense, which they do). Food security data gives a better idea of this than production figures do. Yes, and what I'm reflecting is that as the prices of oil and food rise it will be the developed world that suffers most. Perhaps there is a little justice in the world after all. There are a couple of approaches I can think of. I'd like to know that answer too, and if I checked it out I could nail down a few other things I'd like to know, or like to know better. I'll try to have a look at it in the next few days. Look forward to that. Best wishes James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: college student lookin for help
Beth, I'm just a few miles away from you in Anderson, IN. Unfortunately, though, I'm a newbie to this whole process as well. Not sure how much help I can be, but I may be able to answer some questions. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is anyone in this group in Indiana, USA? im starting to make my own fuel, but im having trouble and was wondering if anyone was close enough to talk to and show me how they do this? im a student @ Purdue and have a few ideas i'd like to try and discuss Beth ps-any feedback at all would be nice - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Article on bio insulating and lubricating oils from American Chemical Society
Vegetable Oil: From Kitchens to Power Lines Jim_Kling PhotoDisc Petroleum-based (mineral) oils are unglamorous, yet vital mainstays of industry. They are used as lubricants and coolants, among other applications. But they are nonrenewable, hazardous, and expensive to clean up spilled. Those drawbacks have industry considering alternatives, including vegetable oils from crops such as rapeseed and soybeans. An article in the March issue of Tribology and Lubrication Technology (1) describes the use of vegetable oils in one important application: electrical transformers, which transform voltage from the high levels, used to transport power over long distances with minimal loss of power, to the lower levels required for local use. Waverly (Iowa) Light and Power and Californias Sacramento Municipal Utility District (SMUD) have committed to using only transformers that use vegetable oils. The decision stems from several incentives. About 40% of existing transformers are contaminated with PCBs, mandating expensive environmental cleanups when spills occur. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency requires that even PCB-free mineral oil spills be cleaned up. Vegetable oils can be used to retrofit existing transformers because they are fully miscible with mineral oils and perform the same cooling and insulating functions. Vegetable oils are gentler on the cellulose-based paper that insulates the transformer coils. Inevitably, atmospheric water finds its way into transformer oil, and residual acid in the paper catalyzes hydrolysis and degradation of the cellulose. Vegetable oils dampen that process because they have a greater capacity for carrying water than conventional oils. As a result, water tends to be drawn out of the insulating paper and into the surrounding oil, protecting the paper from hydrolysis. Tests performed by Cooper Power Systems, a manufacturer of medium- and high-voltage electrical equipment, showed that vegetable oils increased the lifetime of a similar paper five- to eight-fold. A SMUD-sponsored study suggested that in spite of their initial high cost, transformers using bio-based oils are 1020% cheaper in the long run than conventional transformers because a typical transformer using the bio-based oil would last 40 years instead of 30. Vegetable oils could also make it possible to use smaller transformers and still handle sufficient current during peak demand times. Acid-catalyzed cellulose hydrolysis is accelerated by the heat produced by the flow of current through the transformer. Using an oil that limits water exposure could allow utilities to ramp up the current, transforming more power without reducing the lifetime of the transformer. Bio-oils are less of a fire hazard than petroleum-based oils. Although individual transformers rarely catch fire, they are so ubiquitous that a fire occurs somewhere just about every day. Mineral oil burns easily and can stoke such fires, but vegetable oil is far less flammable. These latest developments represent something of a revival for vegetable oils. Late 19th-century developers of oil-based transformers considered using vegetable oils, but they oxidized too quickly and had no price advantage over mineral oils. In the 1990s, new processing methods made vegetable oil more resistant to oxidation; and genetic engineering techniques promise to further reduce oxidation by increasing the content of oleic acid, an antioxidant. One soybean variety has an oleic acid content of 80%, as compared with the average of 18%. In an oxidation chamber, the oil lasted 192 hours. Conventional oil lasted just 7. Plant oils are well positioned for a takeover. In the United States, the glut of soybean oil has depressed crop prices. Companies like Cooper Power Systems and the agricultural commodity supplier Cargill hope that transformer life, fire safety, and environmental concerns could extend the demand into larger transformers and transmission lines. As production of vegetable oil increases, it should also gain a price advantage over mineral oil. (1) Fields, S. Powering up with bio-based oils. Tribology Lubrication Technology 2004, 60(3), 3035 (not available online). This article first appeared on May 17, 2004. Vegetable Oil: From Kitchens to Power Lines Make Microarrays Work for You Coming to the USA From Sediment to Cement The Many Phases of Water Farm-fresh Feedstocks Copyright 2004 American Chemical Society. All Rights Reserved. TermsofUse | PrivacyPolicy | Feedback | Au sujet de la ACS | Acerca de la ACS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free!
Re: [biofuel] Syngas to methanol
Walt Patrick wrote: Currently we're undertaking to install a 100' tower and wind generator in order to produce quantities of H2 and O2. We're planning on using O2 (instead of air) to drive the thermodynamics of the conversion, and will use the H2 to adjust the ratio of CO to H2 in the syngas. Hope this helps clarify what we're doing. Walt http://www.windward.org/ Walt, are there any legal problems in doing this since it is going to be patented? I think it's great though, please keep us updated on how it goes. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Thanks!
Keith Addison wrote: ... one and all. Biodiesel schmiodiesel, but I really enjoy this list sometimes. Lots of hassle and we don't really have the time it takes to maintain it, but it's worth it. Thanks to all, posters, lurkers, offlisters, everyone. Most sincerely Keith Addison Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Keith, is this a random thanks, a farewell, or did I miss something? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Proper Safe mixer for mixing biodiesel?
Hello Art Having designed pumps for a wide variety of end uses, You're a pump guru! Among other things. That's good to know. I can tell you that the issue is chemical compatiblity of the pump shaft seal with what is being pumped and, ultimately, product liability. The pump manufacturer does not want your surviving family to sue them if, while using their pump, you are left injured, well done or charred from the fire or explosion. READ THE PUMP LABEL - if it says no chemicals, it means no chemicals. Don't you think if the pump was capable of handling chemical products they would LOVE to say it and get a greater market share. Do what you want but leave a small space on your headstone for the words - We told him not to do that. It's not like that Art. It doesn't say No chemicals, it doesn't say Okay with chemicals either, it doesn't say much at all, nor does the accompanying leaflet. If it did say No chemicals I don't think any of us would be using it, but a lot of people are and there haven't been any problems that I've heard of. I'm sure I would have heard, that would cause widespread dismay. It's been a couple of years, these pumps have run many thousands of hours by now mixing and pumping biodiesel and indeed methoxide. They're made in China, very likely designed there too. Give them specs and they'll make anything you want, to any standard you want. Left to themselves, their technology is simple, rugged, adaptible and durable. With these pumps, I get the idea they were maybe given performance specs and a price and not much else, so they made it their way. Quite possibly they weren't given any specs and it was all their own idea. We've got these glass tumblers, cheap, plain and simple, no frills, with Durable tumbler, made in China written on the bottom in Chinese and English. That they sure are. They'd've been made in the 60s I guess. We found them in a long abandoned farmhouse hidden in the mountains in Hong Kong's rural area, with the roof collapsed on top of them. It doesn't say you can drop them on a cement floor and they won't break, but you can, and they won't, they bounce off. Fairly typical of Chinese goods, lots has changed there of course, but it is still like that if it wants to be. One reason I said if you asked they'd say no, more for fear of liability issues than for any practical reason, is that they would be Northern Tools or Harbor Freight, and from my experience with them anyway they don't seem to know anything about their stuff, they just sell it (bad service). The two of them can't even agree on the gph. Anyway, our pump has pushed out thousands of litres of very nice biodiesel, so I just went and unscrewed the outlet step-down (from 1 to 3/4) to have a look inside. There's no sign of any wear or corrosion. I couldn't check the pump shaft seal, but it's very likely the Chinese would have used durable stuff, not something that would easily be corroded, and the long-term performance confirms that. Best wishes Keith Art Krenzel, P.E. PHOENIX TECHNOLOGIES 10505 NE 285TH Street Battle Ground, WA 98604 360-666-1883 voice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Thomas Thanks for the great information. You're welcome, hope it helps. The thing that worries me is I checked out these pumps and they state they are for water, not chemicals. Not for oils either, but that doesn't stop them. Is it dangerous to use these water pumps for highly flamable chemicals? I'd have to say no, it's not dangerous. I'm sure if you asked the manufacturers they might not agree, but they'd perhaps be thinking more of liability than practice. The stuff only contacts the inlet, the vane and the outlet, and if there's ever been any kind of problem I've not heard of it, and certainly haven't experienced any. But they're widely used for biodiesel processing. Highly flammable chemicals? The methanol is. With our main processor the methanol or methoxide goes in the top (quite slowly), it's pretty much mixed with the oil by the time it gets down to the pump inlet. The oil inlet (also in the top) is a bit unusual though, but I think that would be the case anyway. Mark (Girl Mark) does it a different way with her Fumeless processors - the methoxide goes straight into the pump to be mixed with the oil there. Same pump. No problem. Mark's very safety-conscious. You should have a look at that processor: The $150 Fumeless Processor. You'll find it here, with a bunch of others: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors Is their a chemical grade that is more $$ but safer? Any words of wisdom on this would be great. Could be wrong, but I think that might cost a lot more and you don't need it. Sorry Thomas, can't offer wisdom on this, too much I don't know about pumps, but we use them and we hear a lot about what other folks do. I want to buy a 15 gallon conical tank and stand from US Plastics and using a pump sounds like a good idea
Art Krenzel: Re: [biofuel] Re: Proper Safe mixer for mixing biodiesel?
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Art Krenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having designed pumps for a wide variety of end uses, I can tell you that the issue is chemical compatiblity of the pump shaft seal with what is being pumped and, ultimately, product liability. The pump manufacturer does not want your surviving family to sue them if, while using their pump, you are left injured, well done or charred from the fire or explosion. READ THE PUMP LABEL - if it says no chemicals, it means no chemicals. Don't you think if the pump was capable of handling chemical products they would LOVE to say it and get a greater market share. Do what you want but leave a small space on your headstone for the words - We told him not to do that. Art Krenzel, P.E. PHOENIX TECHNOLOGIES 10505 NE 285TH Street Battle Ground, WA 98604 360-666-1883 voice [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
Beth: college student lookin for help
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is anyone in this group in Indiana, USA? im starting to make my own fuel, but im having trouble and was wondering if anyone was close enough to talk to and show me how they do this? im a student @ Purdue and have a few ideas i'd like to try and discuss Beth ps-any feedback at all would be nice - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
Sid4Salmon: Re: [biofuel] college student lookin for help
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fellows and Friends: For Students looking for help or others, please read below. Best regards, Sid. Clouston Senate Passes Tax Provisions of Energy Bill The Senate has overwhelmingly passed Senate Bill 1637, Jumpstart Our Business Strength (JOBS), containing the renewable energy tax package originally included in the comprehensive energy bill. The bill extends the wind energy tax credit for three years, provides an income tax credit and excise credit for biodiesel, provides a tax credit for biomass power production, expands the definition of biomass to include saw dust, tree trimmings and agricultural products, and extends ethanol tax benefits to cooperatives. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
Sistemas Profesionales: anyone in Jalisco Mexico?
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Sistemas Profesionales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like personal advice from people in Jalisco, Mexico. I will apreciate any information Thanks a lot and good luck Jorge Caldern From: Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] college student lookin for help Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 16:15:16 -0700 (PDT) is anyone in this group in Indiana, USA? im starting to make my own fuel, but im having trouble and was wondering if anyone was close enough to talk to and show me how they do this? im a student @ Purdue and have a few ideas i'd like to try and discuss Beth ps-any feedback at all would be nice - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _ MSN Fotos: la forma ms fcil de compartir e imprimir fotos. http://photos.msn.es/support/worldwide.aspx --- End forwarded message ---
[biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
My 2002 VW Golf TDI (stock) is getting 50 MPG on the back roads on mostly old country roads in Hills and Valleys in S.E. Ohio. I love it Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Syngas to methanol
At 11:10 AM 5/18/04 -0400, Martin wrote: Walt, are there any legal problems in doing this since it is going to be patented? I think it's great though, please keep us updated on how it goes. The research was done using a Department of Energy grant, so my understanding is that there's a public interest in the patent. When I spoke with the inventor, he didn't have a problem with us working on utilizing his work. Anyone familiar with the niceties involved in public use of research funded by the DoE? Walt Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Anyone know of a good list for saving energy in the home?
Thanks, these look like good ideas, and I do think that, with concommittant behaviour modification, the sort of thing that might save me a little on cooling costs. I think that a lot of conservation efforts require a little effort to learn something a new way, and in some (not all) cases they carry a price in terms of extra time. In this case, my kitchen is conveniently located and I'd be giving that up, (and it has fewer rattle snakes than the outdoor cooking area), but it makes enough sense so I might try it. The indoor-tending thing sounds intruiging, but Id probably start with something a bit simpler. There are a limited number of places even to contemplate going through a wall, in my house. Anyway, if I cook outside, I suspect I'll want to tend to things hands-on a certain amount of the time. I wonder if they would also have fewer fuel-fire concerns and fuel-safety concerns? Hard to say until I try them. Hi MM Have you thought of solar box cookers? There's one kind that fits to an aperture in the kitchen wall - it's outside in the sun, but you can tend it from inside. Also worth thinking about is hay-box cooking. More information and links here: http://journeytoforever.org/sc.html Solar box cookers http://journeytoforever.org/sc_link.html Solar Cooker Resources on the Web Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Anyone on this group live in Oklahoma? what sh*t
resturants don't sell the used oil, the pay to have it taken away. So ? --- erichalltoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: USA: May 18, 2004 OKLAHOMA CITY - Oklahoma police are looking for grease bandits who made off with 5,000 pounds of used cooking oil and grease from three restaurants. Police in Edmond, north of Oklahoma City, said the grease bandits have hit an area of Mexican, Chinese and steak restaurants over the past three months. The robbers took the used cooking grease that was stored in large cylinders in back of the restaurants. The restaurants were planning to sell the grease to a recycling company and the total value of the stolen goods was about $380. Glynda Chu, a spokeswoman for the Edmond police said the bandits had a good idea of how to get money in the used grease market, but she thinks it odd that anyone would put so much effort into making off with so much cooking byproduct. It would be a big chore to haul that smelly stuff away, Chu said. They did, however, make a slick getaway. Copyright REUTERS __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday
Hello Balaji Hello Keith, Thanks a lot for the leads to the RxP additive, which seems to operate by enhancing combustion by infra red absorption from the burning fuel in the engine while simultaneously providing an envelope of moisture over the flame thus reducing NOx formation. The claimed benefits include cleaner burning, de-carbonisation, enhanced Cetane and Octane Number, higher hp and low treatment ratios (an ounce of RxP to treat 10 gallons of Dino diesel). It is based on a blend of hydrocarbon distillates. Tests conducted on a boiler at St. Mary's Hospital, Long Beach, produced the following results : NOx emissions averaged 27.8 parts per million (ppm), which was 30% below that required by the SCAQMD standards. CO emissions averaged 104.4 ppm, which was 74% below that required by the SCAQMD standards. Here are the direct links : http://www.rxp.com/Press_Telegraph.htm http://www.rxp.com/wouldn.htm http://www.rxp.com/test-cov.htm Does anybody have field experience with this ? Trouble is the Press Telegraph news story was published on 25 June 2001. The Engineering Source Test was conducted June 12, 2001. The most recent press release on their site was in June 2002. That's the most recent thing I see there. Why would that be, with such a fuss over NOx? One press release says: RxP Products, Inc. President Don Woodward announced today that Arizona based Supreme Oil has been chosen to market technology used to reduce carbon monoxide (CO) and oxides of nitrogen (NOx) emissions from biodiesel. I found a news item announcing Supreme Oil now has biodiesel fuel, dated 2001-03-27. Their website is here: http://www.supremeoil.com/biodieselx.html Supreme Oil Company - Serving California, Nevada and Arizona No mention of RxP that I can see. The links at their site are to World Energy (yawn) and the NBB (snore), but not to RxP. Their email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED], if you want to write to them. You could also ask Don Woodward of RxP, Don Woodward [EMAIL PROTECTED] - tell him I said so. I've been thinking of writing to him, but that won't be yesterday, you'll be quicker I think. Biofuel Systems did not respond. That's surprising. I'll check. I look forward to further info on your Japanese friends' work on rapeseed oil based additives. We'll be seeing them soon, might get some more info, but I've no idea how far it is marketing. Best wishes Keith Regards, balaji - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday Hello Balaji Hello Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday There are also additives available which lower NOx emissions with biodiesel. Could you please provide links/information on these additives ? Are they vegoil based ? I only know of one, but I think there are others. It's linked in this message, along with more discussion on NOx which you may find interesting. I don't know if it's vegoil-based or not. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/33712/ Re: NOx/Ozone You might also ask these people, they may be able to help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a company here in Japan that we're friendly with who're working on rapeseed-oil-based additives for biodiesel, interesting stuff but not on the market yet. I'll post more information when I have it. HTH Best wishes Keith Regards balaji Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Re: [biofuel] Syngas to methanol
At 06:46 PM 5/15/04 -0600, Greg wrote: Is that number correct? I get No patents have matched your query for 20030158270. Sorry that I wasn't more clear. That's the patent application number; you have to search under Published Applications, not Issued Patents. Walt You can find it here, in full: http://tinyurl.com/3f5v7 That takes you straight to this unwieldy url: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=P G01p=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmlr=1f=Gl=50s1=%2220030158 270%22.PGNR.OS=DN/20030158270RS=DN/20030158270 United States Patent Application: 0030158270 United States Patent Application20030158270 Kind Code A1 Mahajan, Devinder August 21, 2003 Liquid phase low temperature method for production of methanol from synthesis gas and catalyst formulations therefor Abstract The invention provides a homogenous catalyst for the production of methanol from purified synthesis gas at low temperature and low pressure which includes a transition metal capable of forming transition metal complexes with coordinating ligands and an alkoxide, the catalyst dissolved in a methanol solvent system, provided the transition metal complex is not transition metal carbonyl. The coordinating ligands can be selected from the group consisting of N-donor ligands, P-donor ligands, O-donor ligands, C-donor ligands, halogens and mixtures thereof. Etc. Best Keith At 11:40 AM 5/15/04 +, you wrote: - hi walt. what do you want for the steam engine?? we want to run one as an adjunct to our 25hp boiler which runs our biodiesel plant and distillery.we would love to use an old timey steam motor to run a generator..we want a cogeneration segment as part of our fuel production system. It looks like a historical association has come together to purchase the steam engine and return it to it's original use, that of powering a carousel that's maintained by a local community. The reason we decided to not use the old engine for the purpose you're describing is that there are new engines available that will do the job, so we figured that it didn't make sense to put the wear and tear on an antique. Consequently we replaced the 5 hp antique with a 1 hp engine from Mike Brown. http://home.earthlink.net/~dlaw70/12stmng.htm The plan is to use a thermal battery to store heat and then use that heat to operate the smaller steam engine 24x7. If one's primary focus is on electrical generation, then going with a larger engine makes sense, but when you're talking about co-generation, and the generation of electricity is ancillary, then the smaller set up is easier to work with, develop and control. We're in a net metering situation, so we're just looking to replace the electricity we use, not to try and produce a surplus. P,S. are you talking about destructive distillation of methanol or using the chips for gasification? we are fitting out six wheel drive duece and a half with a chipper and a portable sawmill so we can implement a resource recovery program here in the Smoky mountains recovering bettle killed trees and recycling them The path we're pursuing is to convert the woodchips into syngas, and then condense that into methanol. There have been two major developments in that area. The first involves grinding up the zinc oxide catalyst into a powder that's slurried with mineral oil. This allowed the through-pass conversion rates to climb from the traditional 5% per pass to around 20%. Just as importantly, it allowed the use of a micro reactor, i.e. the engineering tests that were used to design the plant described in the link below was a six foot length of one inch diameter stainless steel pipe. http://www.lanl.gov/projects/cctc/factsheets/estmn/csliquiddemo.html The second involves a co-catalyst system developed by Dr. Mahajan which allows the reaction to proceed at much reduced temperatures and pressures (100 PSI and 150 C) The co-catalyst is also much less sensitive to the presence of CO2 in the feed stream. This route is especially interesting because it raises the single pass conversion rate up to better than 90%. At that point, you can burn off the uncondensed gas and not have to worry about the accumulation of inert gases (i.e. N2) in the reactor. The url for the published patent application is long so I'll just invite those who are interested to go to http://appft1.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html and search for mahajan and methanol. The information is under patent application number 20030158270. Currently we're undertaking to install a 100' tower and wind generator in order to produce quantities of H2 and O2. We're planning on using O2 (instead of air) to drive the thermodynamics of the conversion, and will use the H2 to adjust the ratio of CO to H2 in the syngas. Hope this helps clarify what we're doing. Walt http://www.windward.org/ Biofuel at Journey
[biofuel] Re: college student lookin for help
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is anyone in this group in Indiana, USA? im starting to make my own fuel, but im having trouble and was wondering if anyone was close enough to talk to and show me how they do this? im a student @ Purdue and have a few ideas i'd like to try and discuss Beth ps-any feedback at all would be nice If you say what trouble you're having and what your ideas are I'm sure you'll get feedback. Please note, also, that a lot of people, probably most, have learnt how to make their own fuel without ever seeing another operation or being shown anything. Many have been helped to do that right here by other list members, and using the resources at Journey to Forever and in the list archives via the links at the end of each message. Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Thanks!
Keith Addison wrote: ... one and all. Biodiesel schmiodiesel, but I really enjoy this list sometimes. Lots of hassle and we don't really have the time it takes to maintain it, but it's worth it. Thanks to all, posters, lurkers, offlisters, everyone. Most sincerely Keith Addison Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Keith, is this a random thanks, a farewell, No such luck Martin! :-) or did I miss something? No, nothing special, nor even very unusual, but there was a great selection of posts that day, good information, good responses, an amazing variety, some really good reads, and, well, really, what an extraordinary bunch of people! I enjoyed it, so I thanked them. Hey, I've thanked you too like that for what you do for us all. I'll do it again - thanks! (For those who don't know it, Martin runs the Biofuel list's Extremely Useful Archives, link at the end of the message.) Regards Keith -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] straight out of McDonald's kitchen?
I will be making my own biodiesel but am wondering if, when out on the road need fuel (I am unable to make it 'on the go'), can I run straight used veggie oil (filtering out the big chunks) or at least mix it with diesel oil with no ill effects to the engine? Thank you for your help. Jerry Martin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Nation's Gas Prices High, But Adjusted Prices Not Highest Ever
http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=12220 May 7--Prices for gasoline at the pump are higher than ever seen, say many in North Dakota. But real gas prices have been quite a bit higher before. The Associated Press reported that Pat Gilhooly in Bismarck clenched his teeth and shook his head as he filled up his 1968 Chevelle and gas cans for his lawn mower and weed whacker. The price in Bismarck jumped a nickel Wednesday to just under $1.95 a gallon for regular, the same price commonly seen in Grand Forks. This is cutting into my beer and fishing money, Gilhooly told AP. Monica Musich, president of Valley Dairy, which has seven convenience stores in Grand Forks and East Grand Forks, five of which sell gasoline, said it's about as high as she can remember. I'm sure people realize we don't control it, said Musich. It's better for everyone when gas prices are low. While the nationwide average hit $1.84, in the Twin Cities, several gas stations hit $2 a gallon and at one, $2.05, Wednesday, according to AP. Inflation, inflation But when inflation is taken into account, prices now are quite a bit lower than they used to be, in real, or constant dollars. Using the common measure of inflation, the Consumer Price Index, for example, it takes $1.87 of today's money to match a buck 20 years ago. That means, if gas prices in 1984 read $1.50 at the pump, it would take $2.80 today to buy the same gallon. In inflation-adjusted terms, the peak price for gas was in March 1981, when the price was nearly $3 a gallon, in 2004 dollars, said Jonathan Cogan, energy information specialist for the U.S. Department of Energy. Although we are seeing very high prices in nominal dollars, or those not adjusted for inflation, when we do take into account the changing value of the dollar, we are still quite a ways away from the peak price, he said. Not that that's any consolation to people who have seen continuing increases in the price of gasoline. Gas prices spiked in 1973 and again in 1979 through 1983 based on Middle Eastern politics and wars, Cogan said. From 1986 to 1999, oil prices fell to historic lows, but have been rising since, more or less. Even so, from the long-term view, oil prices remain relatively mild, if not low, said Cyrus Bina, economics professor at the University of Minnesota-Morris, and author of a book on petroleum and the global political economy. Eighty years ago, for example, a gallon of gasoline cost $2.75 in today's dollars, making today's prices seem a bargain. However, drastic increases over recent months of 50 percent to 75 percent hit people's pocketbooks hard, Bina said. Demand has roared, as China and Japan have revved up their economies, and America has been no slacker, now using a fourth of the world's fossil fuel production, Bina said. More immediately, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan has greatly increased fuel use by the U.S. military. Meanwhile, refining capacity has lagged behind the increased demand, making the supply side slower, pushing up prices, Bina said. And Americans, with little public transportation compared to many nations, and lots of spacious skies and amber waves of grain, value low gas prices more than many peoples do, Bina said. Even so, rising gas prices shouldn't affect things now as much as they used to, because -- this may surprise you -- the place of energy prices overall in the U.S. economy has decreased in the past 20 years. Energy consumption per dollar of the nation's economy, measured in the Gross Domestic Product, is only half of what it was 50 years ago. That means, Cogan said, that higher energy prices would have less impact on the economy's growth. That's partly because the service industry -- which uses relatively little energy -- has grown to be a much larger part of the economy, while the energy-intensive manufacturing sector has become a smaller piece of the pie, Cogan said. Energy use also has become more efficient. That may explain why, despite the steady rise in gas prices for months, people still want to buy the big four-wheel-drive stuff, said Ron Wilkening, sales manager at Rydell Auto Center in Grand Forks. We're a farming community where people need pickups and things like that, and there are not a lot of 40- or 50-mile commutes to work and back, Wilkening said. As far as the buying public goes, in Grand Forks and the surrounding area, so far gas prices haven't affected their buying habits. I'm not saying it's not going to, if prices keep going up. Farmers are in the hottest swing of spring planting, but the rising fuel prices won't change the way they farm, said Willie Huot, agricultural extension agent for Grand Forks County. Many farmers buy fuel and other supplies in advance, and everyone reading the news knew last fall that diesel fuel likely would be higher this spring, Huot said. If prices keep rising until next fall, it may change who plants what when, he said. So far at
Re: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
Ha! I was stopped at a traffic light nearby yesterday and a guy in a Ford Exploder came alongside and beeped his horn. I rolled down my window and he asked me what kind of mileage I got. I said 53 highway on long trips, @ 70MPH. He said wanna trade? I said NO WAY! I told him the VW TDi is the best kept secret. Its too bad people have to feel obligated to buy overstuffed g-ass guzzling land yachts because they need to keep up with their neighbors, heck the neighbors should keep up with me, I could go next door and borrow a cup of biodiesel! - Original Message - From: Ken Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: [biofuel] Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short My 2002 VW Golf TDI (stock) is getting 50 MPG on the back roads on mostly old country roads in Hills and Valleys in S.E. Ohio. I love it Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] USDA: Cattle Brains May Be Turned Into Biofuels
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=585e=3u=/nm/20040517/sc_nm/madcow_waste_dc USDA: Cattle Brains May Be Turned Into Biofuels Mon May 17, 5:36 PM ET Add Science - Reuters to My Yahoo! By Richard Cowan WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Cattle brains and other remains that may carry the deadly mad cow disease would be turned into biofuels under a plan announced on Monday by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (news - web sites). Cattle brains, skull, eyes, spinal column, small intestine and other parts suspected of harboring mad cow disease were banned from human consumption in December as a safety precaution, shortly after the discovery of the first case of mad cow disease in the United States. Some consumer groups have called on the Bush administration to go a step further and ban these specified risk materials from swine, poultry and other animal feed made from ground-up cattle remains. All cattle parts already are banned from cattle feed to protect against the spread of mad cow disease. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) is considering tougher regulations on animal feed since finding the brain-wasting disease in the United States. One month ago, an agency official said FDA was considering banning specified risk materials from poultry and swine feed. Under the new USDA program, a $50 million loan guarantee program would be set up to help small businesses in rural areas develop ways to turn cattle brains and other high-risk parts into a bio-based source of energy. Bill Hagy, a deputy administrator at USDA's rural development agency, said the purpose of the pilot program was to gauge commercial interest and to solicit ideas for alternate energy uses for the cattle parts. There are incinerating facilities out there that possibility could, with some retooling, be able to accommodate the need, Hagy said. But Hagy said he did not know whether the pilot program was aimed at finding new uses for the risky cattle parts if they are banned from all animal feed. A spokeswoman for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association (news - web sites) said her organization supports the USDA pilot program. A wider ban on the high-risk cattle parts has been watched closely by the U.S. soybean futures market. With tight soy supplies in the United States, a significant change in animal feed rules could have a big impact on products that could be used as a substitute in animal feeds, such as soybean meal. Currently, the carcasses of cattle slaughtered at U.S. packing plants are typically sent to a separate rendering plant to be made into food for other animals, cosmetics or other materials. Last year, the United States slaughtered more than 35 million cattle. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] USDA: Cattle Brains May Be Turned Into Biofuels
Too bad the same can't be done to politician's brains. Even run through a methane digester would produce less gas than when in office. fred At 03:26 PM 5/18/2004 -0700, you wrote: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=585e=3u=/nm/20040517/sc_nm/madcow_waste_dc USDA: Cattle Brains May Be Turned Into Biofuels Mon May 17, 5:36 PM ET Add Science - Reuters to My Yahoo! By Richard Cowan WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Cattle brains and other remains that may carry the deadly mad cow disease would be turned into biofuels under a plan announced on Monday by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (news - web sites). Cattle brains, skull, eyes, spinal column, small intestine and other parts suspected of harboring mad cow disease were banned from human consumption in December as a safety precaution, shortly after the discovery of the first case of mad cow disease in the United States. Some consumer groups have called on the Bush administration to go a step further and ban these specified risk materials from swine, poultry and other animal feed made from ground-up cattle remains. All cattle parts already are banned from cattle feed to protect against the spread of mad cow disease. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) is considering tougher regulations on animal feed since finding the brain-wasting disease in the United States. One month ago, an agency official said FDA was considering banning specified risk materials from poultry and swine feed. Under the new USDA program, a $50 million loan guarantee program would be set up to help small businesses in rural areas develop ways to turn cattle brains and other high-risk parts into a bio-based source of energy. Bill Hagy, a deputy administrator at USDA's rural development agency, said the purpose of the pilot program was to gauge commercial interest and to solicit ideas for alternate energy uses for the cattle parts. There are incinerating facilities out there that possibility could, with some retooling, be able to accommodate the need, Hagy said. But Hagy said he did not know whether the pilot program was aimed at finding new uses for the risky cattle parts if they are banned from all animal feed. A spokeswoman for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association (news - web sites) said her organization supports the USDA pilot program. A wider ban on the high-risk cattle parts has been watched closely by the U.S. soybean futures market. With tight soy supplies in the United States, a significant change in animal feed rules could have a big impact on products that could be used as a substitute in animal feeds, such as soybean meal. Currently, the carcasses of cattle slaughtered at U.S. packing plants are typically sent to a separate rendering plant to be made into food for other animals, cosmetics or other materials. Last year, the United States slaughtered more than 35 million cattle. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
