Re: [biofuel] 100% ethanol
[biofuel] WEIGHT OF WASTE OIL
HI ALL, oops! please excuse the misuse of the caps lock I am trying to locate other biodiesel enthusiasts in the charlotte, NC area, and have a question. Does anyone know the weight of a gallon (litre) of WVO? I have found a source for plastic tanks up to and exceeding 300 Gallons and I am curious if anyone else has ever tried to mount (or haul) such a tank in the bed of a mini pickup. I do have access to a small pickup truck, but the bed is hopelessly rusted thru. ( A victim of several great lakes area winters) I'd like to use this truck to collect WVO from my sources, but I don't want to install a tank that's too big for the springs. Can anyone advise of the largest tank I can install in a Chevy s-10 or similiar??? Also, if there are any others interested in forming a biodiesel co-op in the Charlotte, NC area, please feel free to drop me a line. Let's put our heads and resources together and see what we can do, Regards, Matt Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Theoretical Question
- I stand corrected on the lye as denaturant. Marc -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lye is not a denaturant, the ethanol can still be reclaimed. To denature ethanol, liquids that have similar boiling points condensing points, that even distillation will be hard to remove, have to be used, like methanol, gasoline, and a few other things as well. The denaturant used must not be readily remove from the ethanol, with common tools, You still have to make the ethanol and that requires licensing / bonding even if it is denatured.It used to be that rubbing alcohol was denatured ethanol, but, due to the licensing / bonding cost, it's now more cost effective to make isopropyl alcohol. ( From: Make Your Own Fuel ) For BATF, to consider ethanol to be denatured, you must use one of the approved formulas, such as: Formula #1) To every 100 gal of ethanol add; 5 gal wood alcohol. Formula #3A) To every 100 gal of ethanol; 5 gal methyl alcohol Formula #4) To every 100 gal of ethanol; 1 gal gasoline Formula #18) To every 100 gal of ethanol of not less than 160 proof add; 2.5 gal of methyl isobutyl ketone ( or compound similar thereto ), 0.125 gal of pyronate ( or compound similar thereto ), 0.5 gal of acetaldol, 1 gal kerosene, or gasoline. Formula #19) To every 100 gal. of ethanol of not less than 160 proof add; 4 gal of methyl isobutyl ketone, and 1 gal. of kerosene, deodorized kerosene or gasoline. Have fun, Greg H. - Original Message - From: Marc Orion Cardoso To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 17:37 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Theoretical Question you can get a small distillers permit if you have no criminal record, it allows you to make up to 10,000 gallons of ethanol for fuel for your own use. the fee is $25.00 of course ,this assumes that you are in the Usa. if you arent, do it anyway as long as you denature it immediatly with lye its no longer potable so it becomes a non issue . there is no law against making ethyloxide at least not yet. marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel source along I-15, or northward
Ernie There is a place in Kallispell, Mt. on the west side of the continental divide. City Service, 406.755.6611 52 5th ave WN. It is about 3 blocks off hwy 93. From there you could continue into canada back into alberta up hwy 22 to Calgary Gary - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel source along I-15, or northward My source of biodiesel in Utah failed. I need to get 10 gallons for my trip to Alaska, I am taking I-15 north to Canada and beyond. Ernie Rogers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Supercritical Reactor - has anyone ever seen one?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Do you know of anyone in the whole realm of this group who has ever used a supercritical reactor? As in anywhere? When I was a grad student at Cornell, some guys down the hall were working with Supercritical Fluid Extrusion (SCFX). Admittedly, I've forgotten almost all of what I ever learned about unit operations using Supercritical Fluids, but I fail to see what SFCs gain you with regard to making biodiesel. I'm not a process engineer, nor do I play one on TV, but are you thinking SFC extraction could be used to separate the FAME from the glycerol after transesterification? Sure, supercritical carbon dioxide is a nice solvent, but would it really be worth the trouble? Or were you thinking about something else? John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Is it all Methanol?...Would I damage my car?
On Wednesday, June 23, 2004, at 10:32 PM, Vip Video Club wrote: When I boil the biodiesel and the glycerin to recover some methanol thru the condenser, what do I get? .Is it methanol or it has any water in it? That depends on whether you introduced any water into the reaction mix before distilling. For example, I do a water wash before draining off the glycerine, so there's always a lot of water in the glycerine. You probably don't do that, so the only water present would be small amounts originally in your oil or methanol, or produced as a byproduct of soap from any FFAs in your oil. How can you tell the diference? Cobalt chloride paper (buy it from the web or a lab supply company) is a crude way, but a distiller's hydrometer is better. Methanol and ethanol have almost the same density, so hydrometers used by homebrewers of beer or wine will work fine. Can I use it for the next bach without a worry that can be water in it? Small amounts of water are OK when using methanol, maybe even up to 3-5%, I'm not sure -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Supercritical Reactor - has anyone ever seen one?
On Wednesday, June 23, 2004, at 11:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Do you know of anyone in the whole realm of this group who has ever used a supercritical reactor? As in anywhere? Mark Nope !! -K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] http://www.pathtofreedom.com
This guy was on our local news here in L.A. I thought it was a hopeful sign. The other day I was passed on the freeway by a VW Rabbit going about 80 - he proudly sported a sticker that read bio diesel :) Ramon Los Angeles http://www.pathtofreedom.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA's bad data?
Hunt, Adam wrote: I just ran across an EPA run website where you can look up the EPA rated mileage and Air Pollution Score (pounds of smog forming pollution per 15k miles). For some reason every recent VW TDI scored markedly worse then their gas counterparts. In some cases the diesels are shown to produce twice as much smog. Can anyone comment on this? I have always been told that diesels are generally cleaner. In a nutshell, yes the TDI is much dirtier than the 2.0 or 1.8T when using the EPA's pollution measures. There is legitimate, and sometimes heated, debate as to whether these measures are appropriate. Grossly oversimplified, the TDI is worse on NOx and PM and better on CO2. Thus, if you are concerned about smog, the TDI is worse, but if global climate change is your main concern, the TDI is better. Post hoc rationalizations run rampant on both sides of the debate. You can find out more here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/postlist.php?Cat=Board=UBB21 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Nuclear proliferation
In this series, we are searching for answers to the question, Why is the U.S. failing to stop, and in some cases actually promoting, the spread of nuclear weapons worldwide? (See Rachel's #792 and #793.) Answers to this question will help us understand President Bush's philosophy of environmental protection -- or perhaps the philosophy of his core supporters in the Republican Party on whom he is depending in the 2004 election. President Bush has made it clear that he understands the threat posed by nuclear weapons, materials and know-how in the wrong hands. He has said, We will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes and terrorists to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons.[1] This was not an isolated statement. In two key White House policy documents published in 2002, the Bush administration concluded that, The threat of weapons of mass destruction is the highest priority for the United States and should be for other countries.[2,3] The President has spoken out strongly and repeatedly on the matter and has even said that failure on this issue will be judged harshly by history. When the White House published its National Strategy to Combat Weapons of Mass Destruction in Dec., 2002, the President said, The gravest danger facing the Nation lies at the crossroads of radicalism and technology. Our enemies have openly declared that they are seeking weapons of mass destruction, and evidence indicates that they are doing so with determination. The United States will not allow these efforts to succeed History will judge harshly those who saw this coming danger but failed to act.[3] Yet the evidence is overwhelming that the U.S. is failing to act on this growing threat. (See Rachel's #792, #793.) Indeed, the Bush administration is actively engaged in spreading nuclear technology and know-how into the hands of potentially-unstable nations. On June 20, 2004, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace published a 96-page report agreeing with the Bush administration that, Terrorist acquisition of nuclear weapons poses the greatest single threat to the United States.[4, pg. 25]. However, the Carnegie report points out, The [Bush] administration has not put money or significant political effort behind [its] proposals.[4, pg. 13] According to the Carnegie report, the President's proposed budget for 2005 actually reduces the funds available for U.S. efforts to curb the spread of weapons-grade plutonium and uranium world-wide, and reduces the U.S. financial contribution to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) whose responsibilities have greatly increased while its budget has stayed flat.[4, pg. 13] Nuclear-armed terrorists are the No. 1 threat to the U.S., and the No. 2 threat is nuclear-armed states like Pakistan and North Korea. As the Carnegie report says, National instability or a radical change in government could lead to the collapse of state control over weapons and nuclear materials and the migration of nuclear scientists to other nations or to the service of other groups. However, instead of trying to keep nuclear technology and know-how out of the hands of such states, the Bush administration is actively encouraging U.S. corporations to sell their nuclear hardware and know-how abroad. On a recent trip to China, Vice-President Cheney was peddling Westinghouse nuclear power plants, even though China has announced that it intends to transfer nuclear technology to Pakistan.[5] These contradictory facts are deeply perplexing. I have been reviewing the available literature on this subject for the past two years, trying to answer the question, Why is the Bush administration promoting nuclear weapons, materials and know-how world-wide? Naturally, all my answers are merely hypotheses because I have no special knowledge of what motivates the President, the Vice-President, their core supporters in the House and Senate, and their advisors in the Pentagon. I only know what's in the public record. So let us begin. In the remainder of this series, I will examine the following hypotheses: Hypothesis #1: Simple incompetence and confusion among the nation's defense agencies. Perhaps they actually want to curb the spread of nuclear technologies but just can't manage the task. Hypothesis #2: Perfectly normal corporate profit goals combined with the ever-pressing need for re-election campaign contributions. Perhaps the administration is promoting nuclear power to reward potential campaign contributors in the nuclear business, such as Westinghouse, General Electric, Framatone (formerly Babcock Wilcox), Bechtel, Halliburton, Brown Root, and other large-scale construction firms that build nuclear power plants and the infrastructure they require (roads, power lines, special docks at seaports, fuel processing plants, security apparatus and training, and so forth.) Hypothesis #3: Nuclear power is needed now to prevent nations and regions from going solar.
[biofuel] making bio with ethanol
Hello fellow bio-dieselers just wondering if anybody is making bio-diesel with ethanol? and if so how is it turning out? - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Joyeuse St-Jean Baptiste
Joyeuse St-Jean Baptiste tous mes collgues du monde des nergies renouvelables! http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Canada/StJean.h tm Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Supercritical Reactor - has anyone ever seen one?
Yes, I have. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Do you know of anyone in the whole realm of this group who has ever used a supercritical reactor? As in anywhere? Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Diesel/hybrid
i was sent this e-mail by aDC environmental group. Ross WASHINGTON, DC CLEAN-FUEL BUSES Last week we asked those of you living in Washington, DC to support Metro's clean natural gas bus program. Although you sent more than 150 messages to Mayor Williams and his environmental advisor urging them to help ensure the purchase of 200 new natural gas buses and construction of a new natural gas fueling station in Rockville, Maryland, on June 17th the Metro board voted instead to buy 117 more dirty diesel buses and 100 experimental diesel-electric hybrids, and to put the clean bus program on hold. The good news is that the new buses are included in the fiscal year 2006 budget, giving us some time to pressure the board to reverse its decision before any new buses are actually purchased. Thanks to those Washingtonians who took action; we'll let you know when we need you to weigh in again on this issue. To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but also treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Household Solar Energy (was Australia - home brewers have to pay excise)
John Woolsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I have not seen any other replies to your post, so I have taken the liberty of changing the subject line for my reply in hopes of stimulating more responses. snip text regarding recycling and government support The energy problem is of course huge and there are few solutions in site that look intelligent. Here is an interesting idea: Solar power is not commonly used on housing because the panels are cheap but the batteries are expensive and environmentally unfriendly. Stop using batteries. Instead of shingles I put panels over my entire roof. This produces enough power for my entire house including air conditioning when it is sunny. Any extra power I get I pump back into the grid. I don't really care what I get back for it. I just need to bleed it and hey that was less burned coal. If there is some deal where I get something for it all the better. When I need normal power I buy it from the electricity company. Well, in a typical North American, whole-house, photovoltaic power supply operation (5 kW), the panels will cost about US$25,000 installed (including inverter). The batteries (60 kWh) will cost about US$6,000. So, if you see that as having cheap panels and expensive batteries, your math differs from mine. Installing the panels as awnings over the sun facing side of your house instead of on your roof will do more to keep your house cool than using them to power an air conditioner. Upgrading insulation, weather stripping, including thermal mass and using night-time cooling are also better start points for house-hold cooling than solar-PV powered air conditioning. You may not be pemitted to pump your surplus power back into the grid, even for free. This is the case in most, if not all, of Canada. The utilities have been quite successful in preventing do-gooders from backfeeding the grid to date. This is why most PV installations in Canada are off-grid - the grid won't let us connect. I may produce as much solar energy as I consume ending up net zero and cut my electric bills in half. And I may just be more comfortable for example my air conditioning is generally turned off at the moment. I only use it for rediculously hot days. Hot days are generally sunny so more power means more air conditioning. Possibly in the winter I use electric heat which only is fed from the solar panels to bleed energy. If your objective is heat from solar, you will be much better off with passive and active solar heating approaches than PV-solar electric heating. The PV panels typically installed in residential applications are about 10% efficient, not including losses in wiring and electronics. Passive solar heating is typically a bit better than 50% efficient (but may be less than that net effect due to radiant heat losses when sun is not shining), and active systems typically a bit less than 50% efficient (but typically insignificant losses when sun is not shining). So does anyone think this is viable? Viable? It's technically feasible. However, if you will be paying commercial prices for PV panels, there are more cost-effective means available to reduce your energy consumption (without impacting quality of life) and improve the environment. You may wish to join the homeenergysolutions group on Yahoo and peruse their archives for more ideas. Or visit Hakan's website (energysavingnow.com) or even mine (econogics.com). I generally recommend that people that are just starting out with solar energy projects start with something smaller, and thermal. I suggest solar cookers or simple (batch) solar water pre-heaters as good initial projects. Active solar heating systems are a bit more ambitious. To my mind, for anyone with an existing grid connection, PV comes last. (Of course, energy use reduction comes before any of these.) Darryl McMahon - bfn - JAW snip more text related to recycling -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Chicago.....Seattle?
Geografically, how many members on this list live in or near Chicago and how many from the NW near Seattle? be well, Ross To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but also treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Question on veggie oil fuel
Thanks a lot for your reply, Keith. Dale Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Any1 help to find methanol in GA, metro Atlanta
Hi Chris, I'm sort of a nieghbour to you as I'm over in Rockmart, GA. At present, I'm only making small batches until I get the hang of it. What's the current price for the methanol?? Please advise. Gregg Davidson chris edmonson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have methanol, I recently bought 55 gal for making biodiesel. I would consider selling a couple of gal. To ship methanol is very expensive due to it being a hazaedeous material. I'm located in Powder Springs, GA . Note veterans Oil Co. in Austell sell 55 gal drums of methanol not yourbuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Please any 1!!! I need to do my first test baches but the problem I had is to find methanol in small quantities. Like 1 gallon or so. I have my Red devil LYE , I have cooking oil (virgin) but no methanol!! I willing to pay if someone can send me by mail. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Chris Edmonson - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Chicago.....Seattle?
I am about 3 hours from downtown Chicago, in central Indiana. That will hopefully be changing soon, but at this point is unclear. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ross Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geografically, how many members on this list live in or near Chicago and how many from the NW near Seattle? be well, Ross To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but also treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Pork tallow biodiesel?
[Edited to change title and remove 12kb of irrelevant previous messages - KA] Can anyone advise if pork tallow can be convert to biodiesel? Adam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Chicago.....Seattle?
My house is 3 hours from Chicago in Indiana, though I am currently working in the Seattle area, and likely moving back (I previously lived in the Seattle area for 4 years) out here (to Seattle) by the end of summer. Derek -Original Message- From: Ross Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:17 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Chicago.Seattle? Geografically, how many members on this list live in or near Chicago and how many from the NW near Seattle? be well, Ross To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but also treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Nuclear proliferation
Hello Ross Thanks for posting this. Let me put a top on it for you (and for the archives): http://www.rachel.org Rachel's Environment Health News #794 Fiery Hell On Earth, Pt. 3 June 24, 2004 --- Part 1: http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?issue_ID=2436 #792 Fiery Hell on Earth, Part 1 May 27, 2004 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35041/ Also: Bill Keller, Nuclear Nightmares, New York Times Magazine, 26 May 2002 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35079/ --- http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/bulletin.cfm?Issue_ID=2449 #793 Fiery Hell on Earth, Part 2 June 10, 2004 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35581/ --- In this series, we are searching for answers to the question, Why is the U.S. failing to stop, and in some cases actually promoting, the spread of nuclear weapons worldwide? (See Rachel's #792 and #793.) Answers to this question will help us understand President Bush's philosophy of environmental protection -- or perhaps the philosophy of his core supporters in the Republican Party on whom he is depending in the 2004 election. President Bush has made it clear that he understands the threat posed by nuclear weapons, materials and know-how in the wrong hands. He has said, We will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes and terrorists to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons.[1] This was not an isolated statement. In two key White House policy documents published in 2002, the Bush administration concluded that, The threat of weapons of mass destruction is the highest priority for the United States and should be for other countries.[2,3] The President has spoken out strongly and repeatedly on the matter and has even said that failure on this issue will be judged harshly by history. When the White House published its National Strategy to Combat Weapons of Mass Destruction in Dec., 2002, the President said, The gravest danger facing the Nation lies at the crossroads of radicalism and technology. Our enemies have openly declared that they are seeking weapons of mass destruction, and evidence indicates that they are doing so with determination. The United States will not allow these efforts to succeed History will judge harshly those who saw this coming danger but failed to act.[3] Yet the evidence is overwhelming that the U.S. is failing to act on this growing threat. (See Rachel's #792, #793.) Indeed, the Bush administration is actively engaged in spreading nuclear technology and know-how into the hands of potentially-unstable nations. On June 20, 2004, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace published a 96-page report agreeing with the Bush administration that, Terrorist acquisition of nuclear weapons poses the greatest single threat to the United States.[4, pg. 25]. However, the Carnegie report points out, The [Bush] administration has not put money or significant political effort behind [its] proposals.[4, pg. 13] According to the Carnegie report, the President's proposed budget for 2005 actually reduces the funds available for U.S. efforts to curb the spread of weapons-grade plutonium and uranium world-wide, and reduces the U.S. financial contribution to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) whose responsibilities have greatly increased while its budget has stayed flat.[4, pg. 13] Nuclear-armed terrorists are the No. 1 threat to the U.S., and the No. 2 threat is nuclear-armed states like Pakistan and North Korea. As the Carnegie report says, National instability or a radical change in government could lead to the collapse of state control over weapons and nuclear materials and the migration of nuclear scientists to other nations or to the service of other groups. However, instead of trying to keep nuclear technology and know-how out of the hands of such states, the Bush administration is actively encouraging U.S. corporations to sell their nuclear hardware and know-how abroad. On a recent trip to China, Vice-President Cheney was peddling Westinghouse nuclear power plants, even though China has announced that it intends to transfer nuclear technology to Pakistan.[5] These contradictory facts are deeply perplexing. I have been reviewing the available literature on this subject for the past two years, trying to answer the question, Why is the Bush administration promoting nuclear weapons, materials and know-how world-wide? Naturally, all my answers are merely hypotheses because I have no special knowledge of what motivates the President, the Vice-President, their core supporters in the House and Senate, and their advisors in the Pentagon. I only know what's in the public record. So let us begin. In the remainder of this series, I will examine the following hypotheses: Hypothesis #1: Simple incompetence and confusion among the nation's defense agencies. Perhaps they actually want to curb the spread of nuclear technologies but just can't manage the task. Hypothesis #2: Perfectly normal corporate
RE: [biofuel] WEIGHT OF WASTE OIL
A gallon of WVO is approximately 7 pounds. Including the weight of the 300 gallon tank, you are well over 2000 pounds. Derek -Original Message- From: overnightdeejay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:29 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] WEIGHT OF WASTE OIL HI ALL, oops! please excuse the misuse of the caps lock I am trying to locate other biodiesel enthusiasts in the charlotte, NC area, and have a question. Does anyone know the weight of a gallon (litre) of WVO? I have found a source for plastic tanks up to and exceeding 300 Gallons and I am curious if anyone else has ever tried to mount (or haul) such a tank in the bed of a mini pickup. I do have access to a small pickup truck, but the bed is hopelessly rusted thru. ( A victim of several great lakes area winters) I'd like to use this truck to collect WVO from my sources, but I don't want to install a tank that's too big for the springs. Can anyone advise of the largest tank I can install in a Chevy s-10 or similiar??? Also, if there are any others interested in forming a biodiesel co-op in the Charlotte, NC area, please feel free to drop me a line. Let's put our heads and resources together and see what we can do, Regards, Matt Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA's bad data?
Hunt, Adam wrote: I just ran across an EPA run website where you can look up the EPA rated mileage and Air Pollution Score (pounds of smog forming pollution per 15k miles). For some reason every recent VW TDI scored markedly worse then their gas counterparts. In some cases the diesels are shown to produce twice as much smog. Can anyone comment on this? I have always been told that diesels are generally cleaner. The site in question can be found at http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm --adam My car [1999 chevrolet cavalier 2.2l 5spd] is incorrectly rated as getting 24 mpg city / 34 hwy. I get 30 and 35. This has been discussed quite a bit lately and I have come to the personal conclusion that the EPA ratings are calculated by racecar drivers. -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Raschig rings
This link is not working http://www.moonshine-still.com/still.pdf, Jonathan Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ben! You've asked a good question maybe you should check this out: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/distillers/?keywords=raschig+ring+sources many hits including alternatives such as glass beads or steel pot scrubbers. benjinsl wrote: Greetings all, I am planning to build a small ethanol still, http://www.moonshine-still.com/still.pdf, and would like to know if anyone can recommend a reputable source of raschig rings, or have any ideas of substitutes? (steel wool?) Ben -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] weights and measures
Why can`t everyone use gallons,ouarts,pints,ounces,lbs instead of metrics - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO filtering
It is not necessary to prefilter new food grade oil from the market. On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 08:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This question is probably a repeat, however, I haven't found the answer. If I'm driving on straight veggie oil and I run low . can I simply stop at a market and buy new oil and dump it into the tank or should new be pre-filtered to 5 microns too? Thanks Jon Burlington, Vermont A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Is it all Methanol?...Would I damage my car?
Thanksit really clear up mi mind respect to the methanol recovery...I'm gonna make a 1 liter batch with the recovered methanol to see what happens and i will let you know. thanks again - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Is it all Methanol?...Would I damage my car? On Wednesday, June 23, 2004, at 10:32 PM, Vip Video Club wrote: When I boil the biodiesel and the glycerin to recover some methanol thru the condenser, what do I get? .Is it methanol or it has any water in it? That depends on whether you introduced any water into the reaction mix before distilling. For example, I do a water wash before draining off the glycerine, so there's always a lot of water in the glycerine. You probably don't do that, so the only water present would be small amounts originally in your oil or methanol, or produced as a byproduct of soap from any FFAs in your oil. How can you tell the diference? Cobalt chloride paper (buy it from the web or a lab supply company) is a crude way, but a distiller's hydrometer is better. Methanol and ethanol have almost the same density, so hydrometers used by homebrewers of beer or wine will work fine. Can I use it for the next bach without a worry that can be water in it? Small amounts of water are OK when using methanol, maybe even up to 3-5%, I'm not sure -K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WEIGHT OF WASTE OIL
As water is 8 pounds per gallon and oil is lighter than water by a little, I'm guessing it still is in excess of 7 pounds per gallon, probably more like 7.5 or slightly higher, hence, 300 gallons times 7.5 is 2250 pounds, which is a bit much for a small pickup, although if you reinforced the springs you might be able to carry close to that much. You also want to consider the load the tires can take, including the pickups empty weight and any frame or bed reinforcement material. To be on the safe side, I think I'd only fill them about half full, as just over a half ton is still plenty for an S-10, in my opinion. Dale Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Supercritical Reactor - has anyone ever seen one?
John Super critical methanol has been used to produce tallow bio-diesel with a CFPP way below -15'C. FFA content does not matter since the whole feedstock is converted to esters. Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] weights and measures
George, That was a good joke. LOL Hakan At 06:50 25/06/2004, you wrote: Why can`t everyone use gallons,ouarts,pints,ounces,lbs instead of metrics Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fair price for methanol
So I ran across a guy that has a half-full drum of methanol in his barn. The drum belongs to a buddy of his who says he'll sell it, make an offer. What is a fair price for the drum and 20-30gal of methanol? I'm thinking around the $40-$50 range. BTW, I live in Wisconsin. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] making bio with ethanol
Hello Trey, welcome Hello fellow bio-dieselers just wondering if anybody is making bio-diesel with ethanol? and if so how is it turning out? It's not very common because it's not very easy, but quite a few people are. Ask Ken, he's the expert. Well, before you ask him see what he says: Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester Not for novices. Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Pork tallow biodiesel?
Hello Adam [Edited to change title and remove 12kb of irrelevant previous messages - KA] Can anyone advise if pork tallow can be convert to biodiesel? Adam Yes it can. But it's not tallow, it's lard - tallow is beef. They're similar to process though, and a similar product. I've never got hold of used tallow or lard (used for deep-frying), but so-called WVO (waste vegetable oil) often contains quite a lot of animal fats from what's been cooked in it. I have made biodiesel from fresh, unused lard, though I guess that wasn't truly fresh either, it would have been rendered at high temperatures. Whatever, it worked okay, but you have to use more lye and more methanol. See the tables here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html How much methanol? See also the Excess section towards the end. See also: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye3.5 The basic lye quantity -- 3.5 grams? Here's a previous thread on lard: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/0/1 Lots of information on tallow here: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/index.php?keywords=tallowlist=BIOFUEL Tallow and lard biodiesel have a higher cetane number - see: Cetane Numbers http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#cetane ... and also a higher Cloud Point - summer fuel, it gels when the weather gets cool. HTH Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Supercritical Reactor - has anyone ever seen one?
Mark Schofield wrote: FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATE: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:21:58 +0100 (BST) SUBJECT: Re: [biofuel] Supercritical Reactor - has anyone ever seen one? John Super critical methanol has been used to produce tallow bio-diesel with a CFPP way below -15'C. FFA content does not matter since the whole feedstock is converted to esters. Mark Oh, is that what you were talking about, I thought it might be. Lots of talk, not done anywhere outside the lab AFAIK, though I know two people who're working on it, one in Europe, one in Argentina. Not exactly for the kitchen - see below. As for tallow bio-diesel with a low CFPP, you'd be better off using lipase. But you've asked about that before, and been told: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/28089/ Also not for the kitchen, and also not done anywhere outside of the lab, AFAIK. Anyway, Mark, what's your interest? You got a lot of information from us here and at JtF and so on, plus help making your first test baches, then the last we heard was that you'd set up a 700,000L/week plant for commercial production. But you're still interested in these experimental processes that hardly exist beyond the world of theory and patents? I did try a couple of times to squeeze some feedback out of you but didn't get anywhere, nothing ever came back, just more questions. IIRC you did say at one stage you were waiting to get your patents through first (having it seems derived it all from open-source resources like this one, the essence of which is sharing), but we never heard any more about that either. So whatever happened to the plant then? Just talk? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Hi Ken Keith writes: .Personally (actually not just me, rather wide reservations have been expressed) I'm not very keen on the idea of sodium methoxide at 350 deg C at a pressure of 30 MPa (296.077 atmo- spheres, 2.176 tons/square inch). Not exactly something for the kitchen. The ONE nice thing about this method is you don't need to use sodium methoxide (or any other catalyst). The unusual conditions at supercritical state cause the reaction to proceed quickly with just alcohol and oil (plus a solvent in some versions). Still need big excess of alcohol to drive the equilibrium -- even more than we do because the glycerine doesn't drop out. The safety thing is still a concern, certainly in ones garage, just because of the high T and P. Yes, that is a nice thing, but supercritical methanol is a nightmare. A while back I approached a contact for an expert opinion, after folks started messing with hydraulics gear and saying stuff like this: I hold no concern for a properly designed reaction vessel under the needed pressure which on review is around 345 atmospheres / 35MPa / 5080 PSI. at 350 to 400C. Hydraulic excavators, presses and such machinery often operate at twice these pressures and occasionally (but not by design) at these temperatures. There is little danger in this, and no problem obtaining off the shelf pumps etc to achieve these pressures at any volume. The person I asked for an opinion is a Chartered Engineer and a full Member of the Institution of Electrical Engineers, and a chemist. He worked for 24 years as a Royal Air Force engineer, including 12 years spent vetting modifications and designs to aviation equipment. He was also on five Boards of Enquiry into accidents. This was his reply: Saka seems to have done some very good, safe industrial research, but this is a quest for a simple, safe, kitchen-sink method of winning the annual Darwin Award. What they propose, and how they suggest it might be achieved, is bordering on fantasy in a home environment. Even a small amount exploding would result in horrendous damage, and supercritical fluids are notoriously fickle. This is a project that would be approached with extreme caution even in an industrial environment. My personal view is that debating such a process on an amateur forum is utterly irresponsible as it glosses over the very real dangers involved. Were they to be held accountable for all the accidents that would undoubtedly result from keen but ignorant amateurs being led to believe that it is a simple matter they can try at home, then perhaps we might see a little more caution. I just wish it were possible to take these people to an ordinance factory where controlled explosions are carried out under the control of experts so that they could see for themselves just how dangerous the whole exercise is. Those that have had no experience of explosions just have no notion of how incredibly fickle and unpredictable matter is when placed under such duress. Those who have had no experience in such matters invariably underestimate the protection required, and have no idea of how metals behave when subjected to supersonic shock. Instant crystallisation and shattering of even ductile metals is not uncommon. What you have just told me turns my blood
Re: [biofuel] Pork tallow biodiesel?
Hi Keith, Which kind of WCO (rapeseed oil, lard, tallow, UCO) is the most cost effective and efficient for making bio-diesel? Best regards, Adam - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Pork tallow biodiesel? Hello Adam [Edited to change title and remove 12kb of irrelevant previous messages - KA] Can anyone advise if pork tallow can be convert to biodiesel? Adam Yes it can. But it's not tallow, it's lard - tallow is beef. They're similar to process though, and a similar product. I've never got hold of used tallow or lard (used for deep-frying), but so-called WVO (waste vegetable oil) often contains quite a lot of animal fats from what's been cooked in it. I have made biodiesel from fresh, unused lard, though I guess that wasn't truly fresh either, it would have been rendered at high temperatures. Whatever, it worked okay, but you have to use more lye and more methanol. See the tables here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html How much methanol? See also the Excess section towards the end. See also: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye3.5 The basic lye quantity -- 3.5 grams? Here's a previous thread on lard: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/0/1 Lots of information on tallow here: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/index.php?keywords=tallowlist=BIOFUEL Tallow and lard biodiesel have a higher cetane number - see: Cetane Numbers http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#cetane ... and also a higher Cloud Point - summer fuel, it gels when the weather gets cool. HTH Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Raschig rings
I had the same problem. Have you looked around the site? There is plenty of good info at http://www.moonshine-still.com/page2.htm -Original Message- From: Jonathan Dunlap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:32 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Raschig rings This link is not working http://www.moonshine-still.com/still.pdf, Jonathan Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ben! You've asked a good question maybe you should check this out: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/distillers/?keywords=raschig+ring+sources many hits including alternatives such as glass beads or steel pot scrubbers. benjinsl wrote: Greetings all, I am planning to build a small ethanol still, http://www.moonshine-still.com/still.pdf, and would like to know if anyone can recommend a reputable source of raschig rings, or have any ideas of substitutes? (steel wool?) Ben -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Fair price for methanol
In Indiana, you can buy a full drum for $120, from a distributor. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Steven Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ran across a guy that has a half-full drum of methanol in his barn. The drum belongs to a buddy of his who says he'll sell it, make an offer. What is a fair price for the drum and 20-30gal of methanol? I'm thinking around the $40-$50 range. BTW, I live in Wisconsin. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Chicago.....Seattle?
Derek, If your house is 3 hours from Chicago in Indiana, it can't be too far from mine. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Derek Sceats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My house is 3 hours from Chicago in Indiana, though I am currently working in the Seattle area, and likely moving back (I previously lived in the Seattle area for 4 years) out here (to Seattle) by the end of summer. Derek -Original Message- From: Ross Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:17 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Chicago.Seattle? Geografically, how many members on this list live in or near Chicago and how many from the NW near Seattle? be well, Ross To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but also treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT --- - -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Chicago.....Seattle?
Hallo, I'm about 4.5 hours east of Chicago in Michigan quite close to the Indiana border. Just 3.5 miles north of Ohio and 1.25 hours west of Toledo. Some 45 minutes to an hour east of Angola, Indiana. Happy Happy, Gustl Friday, 25 June, 2004, 07:51:49, you wrote: B Derek, B If your house is 3 hours from Chicago in Indiana, it can't be too B far from mine. B Brian B --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Derek Sceats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My house is 3 hours from Chicago in Indiana, though I am currently B working in the Seattle area, and likely moving back (I previously lived in B the Seattle area for 4 years) out here (to Seattle) by the end of B summer. Derek -Original Message- From: Ross Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:17 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Chicago.Seattle? Geografically, how many members on this list live in or near Chicago and how many from the NW near Seattle? be well, Ross To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but also treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Fair price for methanol
$40 for the quantity mentioned is a fair price. In upstate NY we expect to pay $2.50-$2.75/ gal. in small quantities and $1.90 - $2.25/ gal for a drum (55gals) depending on the time of year it is purchased. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] weights and measures
Because on a world wide basis, the people who use metric far out number those who don't. Only the archaic US still used the old system. Learn metric, it is much easier to use. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:50 PM 6/24/2004, you wrote: Why can`t everyone use gallons,ouarts,pints,ounces,lbs instead of metrics - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] weights and measures
george meredith wrote: Why can`t everyone use gallons,ouarts,pints,ounces,lbs instead of metrics It's normally we Americans who are metrically challenged. The only reason this is so, is because we are not accustomed to the ease in which unit conversions can be done in the metric system. If you don't convert between systems, but learn an intuitive feel for metric measurement, this will be easier. An average adult male will weigh around 80 kilos and be 180 cm tall. Driving 100 km per hour is freeway speed in North America, and enables easy time / distance calculations. A liter of water weighs a kilogram. A cubic meter of water weighs a tonne. Unit conversions in the metric system simply involve moving a decimal around, rather than messing with division. (How many ounces are in a peck? Better yet, who cares!) The rest of the world is a bit smarter than we Americans when it comes to this! The only problem with the metric system is that the pitch of metric threads is so narrow that bolts don't seem to have the same holding power that SAE threads have. For most of us, however, this is not a problem. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Raschig rings
Hi Ben I got my raschig rings from my local cleaning store in the form of scouring pads i don't think wire wool would have the surface area required for condencing on. good luck. Myke benjinsl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings all, I am planning to build a small ethanol still, http://www.moonshine-still.com/still.pdf, and would like to know if anyone can recommend a reputable source of raschig rings, or have any ideas of substitutes? (steel wool?) Ben Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links - ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Any1 help to find methanol in GA, metro Atlanta
Dear Not, Your best bet for methanol is to go to an auto parts store or department store and get the HEET brand antifreeze in the yellow container. I believe it's a 12 ounce size. This should get you going for your small test batches. When you start getting into using used veg oil and need to do titrations on the oil, you will need isopropyl alcohol, which you can get in the same places by buying IsoHEET gas line antifreeze in the red container. It is pure (99 %) isopropyl alcohol. When you're ready for your larger batches and need larger amounts of methanol you can call ChemCentral at: Mailing Address CHEMCENTRAL Corporation Headquarters P.O. Box 730 Chicago (Bedford Park), Illinois 60499-0730 Headquarters Phone Numbers 1-800-331-6174 1-708-594-7000 Online Customer Support 1-877-439-3600 I called a Buffalo, NY phone and got someone in Atlanta. They sell methanol by the 55 gallon drum and by bulk, pumping into your container. I called them recently and the price in bulk quoted was $1.52 per gallon plus a $10.00 fuel surcharge per delivery, plus sale tax. They said I could get any amount in bulk, but if I requested 50 gallons they would just send a 55 gallon drum. Hope this helps. Chris not yourbuss wrote: Please any 1!!! I need to do my first test baches but the problem I had is to find methanol in small quantities. Like 1 gallon or so. I have my Red devil LYE , I have cooking oil (virgin) but no methanol!! I willing to pay if someone can send me by mail. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] weights and measures
robert luis rabello wrote: george meredith wrote: Why can`t everyone use gallons,ouarts,pints,ounces,lbs instead of metrics Unit conversions in the metric system simply involve moving a decimal around, rather than messing with division. (How many ounces are in a peck? Better yet, who cares!) The rest of the world is a bit smarter than we Americans when it comes to this! The only problem with the metric system is that the pitch of metric threads is so narrow that bolts don't seem to have the same holding power that SAE threads have. For most of us, however, this is not a problem. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 I am finding that most engineers are using metric these days. I'm the electrical variety myself. Have you ever seen non-metric electromagnetic units? They are NOT pretty! The only people still holding on are the general public. I think the metric system is great. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Pork tallow biodiesel?
Hi Adam Hi Keith, Which kind of WCO (rapeseed oil, lard, tallow, UCO) is the most cost effective and efficient for making bio-diesel? What's UCO? Used cooking oil? Different to WCO (WVO?)? Anyway, that's an impossible question to answer, users' circumstances and the availability and condition of oils varies too widely. use whatever you can get, as long as it's not a drying oil. Best Keith Best regards, Adam - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Pork tallow biodiesel? Hello Adam [Edited to change title and remove 12kb of irrelevant previous messages - KA] Can anyone advise if pork tallow can be convert to biodiesel? Adam Yes it can. But it's not tallow, it's lard - tallow is beef. They're similar to process though, and a similar product. I've never got hold of used tallow or lard (used for deep-frying), but so-called WVO (waste vegetable oil) often contains quite a lot of animal fats from what's been cooked in it. I have made biodiesel from fresh, unused lard, though I guess that wasn't truly fresh either, it would have been rendered at high temperatures. Whatever, it worked okay, but you have to use more lye and more methanol. See the tables here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html How much methanol? See also the Excess section towards the end. See also: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye3.5 The basic lye quantity -- 3.5 grams? Here's a previous thread on lard: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/0/1 Lots of information on tallow here: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/index.php?keywords=tallowlist=BIOFUEL Tallow and lard biodiesel have a higher cetane number - see: Cetane Numbers http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#cetane ... and also a higher Cloud Point - summer fuel, it gels when the weather gets cool. HTH Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Raschig rings
This link is not working http://www.moonshine-still.com/still.pdf, Jonathan It works if you remove the comma at the end. Best Keith Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ben! You've asked a good question maybe you should check this out: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/distillers/?keywords=raschig+ring+sources many hits including alternatives such as glass beads or steel pot scrubbers. benjinsl wrote: Greetings all, I am planning to build a small ethanol still, http://www.moonshine-still.com/still.pdf, and would like to know if anyone can recommend a reputable source of raschig rings, or have any ideas of substitutes? (steel wool?) Ben -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] weights and measures
Hakan, you are a very charming man, as well as all the other stuff. Jesse From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:52:00 +0200 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] weights and measures George, That was a good joke. LOL Hakan At 06:50 25/06/2004, you wrote: Why can`t everyone use gallons,ouarts,pints,ounces,lbs instead of metrics Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Joyeuse St-Jean Baptiste
A toi! On recoupe comme on peut, le lendemain. Jesse From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:17:57 - To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Joyeuse St-Jean Baptiste Joyeuse St-Jean Baptiste tous mes collgues du monde des nergies renouvelables! http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Canada/StJean.h tm Pierre Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] weights and measures
Hello George, Possibly because 1. Life is short and they would rather use the time allotted to them by their Maker in useful pursuits. 2. They do not wish to compute how much energy they expended in BTUs. 3. They find it easier to move decimals mentally than use a calculator. 4. They like their life to be simple and uncomplicated. 5. Because, unlike USAns, they have been schooled that way. Regards balaji - Original Message - From: george meredith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:20 AM Subject: [biofuel] weights and measures Why can`t everyone use gallons,ouarts,pints,ounces,lbs instead of metrics - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] can anyone help me find assistance on biofuel in India
Hello Sam, What exactly are you looking for ? Is it oil/seed resource availability or government policy/assistance/subsidy or manufacturing process know-how or info on private initiatives or what ? Please clarify. Regards balaji - Original Message - From: Sam ddd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: [biofuel] can anyone help me find assistance on biofuel in India Can anyone please help me find out assistance on biofuel production in India? - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
