[biofuel] More on Lumpy BD
I have just completed another test batch with the re-titrated oil and got a thin layer of by-product glycerine at the bottom of the Masson jar. Of course this may be attributed to the supplement of WVO I tossed into the frey or it is residual from the first process or a combination of both. Had I been a little more foresoughtful I would have simply re-processed the original lot as Todd suggested once to see if any glyc remained, but I wanted to have a round number (!) so now I will let that settle until tomorow and continue with the quality shake test. That should do it. In the kitchen I can control the heat and mixing easily, so now I have to translate that to the larger volumes. Friday will tell if I got it right or not when I re-process the entire 2o liter batch using the new titration numbers. The NaOH is disolving in the methanol as we speak and should be ready for when I am ready to use it. L. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: My view on diesel cars, and a notable event.
Hi Keith, I have received suggestions that WVO based biodiesel may contain substances not present in its virgin counterpart - nitrosamines, dioxins, acrylamides, and that emissions may be more toxic. I'll keep you posted should I come across anything. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Pierre Keith, I am looking for reports comparing emissions from virgin vegoil biodiesel and watse oil biodiesel. I have left a couple of messages here and there. Do you have any leads? No I don't. The EPA accepted the NBB's data on virgin soy biodiesel as equivalent to all the rest, whatever the feedstock, including WVO. Big-time European producers commonly use WVO, the standards are strict there. Why would there be a difference? Unless it's badly made, not washed properly. Best wishes Keith Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this is interesting: The UC Davis biodiesel study -- Chemical and Bioassay Analyses of Diesel and Biodiesel Particulate Matter: Pilot Study -- Final Report by Norman Y. Kado, Robert A. Okamoto and Paul A. Kuzmicky, Department of Environmental Toxicology, University of California, Davis, California, November 1996. This U.S. Department of Energy study found that the use of pure biodiesel instead of petroleum-based diesel fuel could offer a 93.6% reduction in cancer risks from exhaust emissions exposure. Acrobat file, 3.1Mb. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisBiodiesel.pdf UC Davis biodiesel study -- summary: the Summary, Results and Discussion sections of the report, in html format. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisSumm.html Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Responses to Dubya thread
Gee!!! Damn am I glad that I kept my tongue in check, although not in cheek. Next thing I know somone would be calling me arachnidic, palmitic, phosphoric, sulfuric or some other such. Just kidding. Although I always have equated acerbic with acidic. Sorry. I just hate whiners that offer no solutions. Comes from my Greenpeace upbringing. At least they had a solution in hand with every bitch they offered. Todd As far as my call for recommendations is concerned, you personal attack didn't offer a solution to our pickle. Namely, we have a pro-war jackass in office, and another pro-war jackass attempting to unseat him. In the end we'll still end up with a pro-war jackass as president. So bright boy, instead of attacking me why don't you shut your stinking cake hole before I shut it for you? Get this straight right off - I'm not defending Todd, I'm attacking you. Todd was acerbic, even abrasive, but this response of yours is most offensive and uncalled for. Again you behave as those you say are the problem behave Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Responses to Dubya thread
Gee!!! Well, good grief... Anyway, sorry. Damn am I glad that I kept my tongue in check, although not in cheek. Next thing I know somone would be calling me arachnidic, palmitic, phosphoric, sulfuric or some other such. Golly... What's arachnidic, a spider with acne? LOL! Arachidonic, it says on our methanol page, Arachydic - is there really an acid called arachnidic? Not that I'd be any the wiser if there were. Just kidding. Although I always have equated acerbic with acidic. All those words are acidic, except caustic. How about vitriolic? Worse than acerbic, as sulphuric acid's worse than acetic. Quite mild, acerbic, considering. Sorry. I just hate whiners that offer no solutions. Comes from my Greenpeace upbringing. At least they had a solution in hand with every bitch they offered. Yes, they all do, allegations to the contrary from the anti-Eco-Nazis of the Wise Use bunch and so on to the contrary. Not that one ever sees anything resembling a solution from them either, other than to convert the commons in toto into a corporate bottom-line. Anyway, not only that, what struck me more was that all the work that goes on here that does offer solutions, and indeed implements them, was just labelled as criticism and ignored. Regards Keith Todd As far as my call for recommendations is concerned, you personal attack didn't offer a solution to our pickle. Namely, we have a pro-war jackass in office, and another pro-war jackass attempting to unseat him. In the end we'll still end up with a pro-war jackass as president. So bright boy, instead of attacking me why don't you shut your stinking cake hole before I shut it for you? Get this straight right off - I'm not defending Todd, I'm attacking you. Todd was acerbic, even abrasive, but this response of yours is most offensive and uncalled for. Again you behave as those you say are the problem behave Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] More on Lumpy BD
Thanks for the updates L. Keep going, ever onwards! Best wishes Keith I have just completed another test batch with the re-titrated oil and got a thin layer of by-product glycerine at the bottom of the Masson jar. Of course this may be attributed to the supplement of WVO I tossed into the frey or it is residual from the first process or a combination of both. Had I been a little more foresoughtful I would have simply re-processed the original lot as Todd suggested once to see if any glyc remained, but I wanted to have a round number (!) so now I will let that settle until tomorow and continue with the quality shake test. That should do it. In the kitchen I can control the heat and mixing easily, so now I have to translate that to the larger volumes. Friday will tell if I got it right or not when I re-process the entire 2o liter batch using the new titration numbers. The NaOH is disolving in the methanol as we speak and should be ready for when I am ready to use it. L. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Responses to Dubya thread
Ok Keith. I read the OPEC thread, and within it was a lucid discussion of (among other things) the exact Kerry/Bush dilemma of which I lamented. I also read the Moderator's message and your posts on this thread. Would you like for me to respond point by point to your last reply, or will it be sufficient for me to apologize for wasting everyone's bandwidth and promise to try and be more constructive and thoughtful in future posts? Either way, I apologize for wasting the time and energy of list members by complaining without offering solutions. I'll do my best to ensure that my future posts either add to the substance of the thread by providing new information, or add to the quality of the discussion by providing thoughtful commentary. As far as Todd is concerned, as long as my name doesn't cross his lips, we're cool. But if you expect me to apologize to him you can go ahead and unsubscribe me now. Regards, -BRAH Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Responses to Dubya thread
Hello Bryan Ok Keith. I read the OPEC thread, and within it was a lucid discussion of (among other things) the exact Kerry/Bush dilemma of which I lamented. I also read the Moderator's message and your posts on this thread. Would you like for me to respond point by point to your last reply, No need. or will it be sufficient for me to apologize for wasting everyone's bandwidth and promise to try and be more constructive and thoughtful in future posts? I wouldn't have said it was a waste of bandwidth, and I wasn't after an apology, nor even a promise, just the awareness that's behind them. Thankyou. Either way, I apologize for wasting the time and energy of list members by complaining without offering solutions. Same as above. Again, thankyou. I'll do my best to ensure that my future posts either add to the substance of the thread by providing new information, or add to the quality of the discussion by providing thoughtful commentary. Thankyou once again, probably superfluous for me to comment (but I'll do it anyway, LOL!) that you're sure to derive more benefit from it with that approach, as will everyone else. As far as Todd is concerned, as long as my name doesn't cross his lips, we're cool. But if you expect me to apologize to him you can go ahead and unsubscribe me now. I don't expect you to apologise to him. The gist of the Moderator's message you read is that it's the list community you're beholden to, as are we all. If it's to be a community, that is, rather than a rabble, and that's not a matter of principle, it's a matter of which is more likely to achieve anything, whether collectively or individually. Peace Bryan, and best wishes Keith Regards, -BRAH Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] WVO emissions - was Re: My view on diesel cars, and a notable event.
Hi Pierre Hi Keith, I have received suggestions that WVO based biodiesel may contain substances not present in its virgin counterpart - nitrosamines, dioxins, acrylamides, and that emissions may be more toxic. In the WVO itself, nitrosamines perhaps, dioxins? Maybe. Acrylamides, I don't think any more than in SVO. Try an archives search for acrylamides. Anyway, it'd be small traces of the first two if they were there - not insignificant if you eat it, but for emissions when combusting it at high temps and under high pressure in a diesel motor? I don't think it would be in the biodiesel anyway, in the glycerine cocktail more likely (or in the wash), you'd be talking of traces of traces. Aren't you looking too far downstream? Lab analysis of a broad selection of biodiesel made from different WVO feedstock should tell you more (all having in common that it's properly made and properly washed). Or perhaps the burden of proof should be on the accusers? Your authority for shifting it back to where it belongs would be the EPA statement I mentioned (below). Anyway, all three of those things are supposed to be carcinogenic. Whence then the 93.6% reduction in cancer risks from exhaust emissions exposure in the UC Davis biodiesel study? From whom exactly have you received these suggestions, Pierre? Best wishes Keith I'll keep you posted should I come across anything. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Pierre Keith, I am looking for reports comparing emissions from virgin vegoil biodiesel and watse oil biodiesel. I have left a couple of messages here and there. Do you have any leads? No I don't. The EPA accepted the NBB's data on virgin soy biodiesel as equivalent to all the rest, whatever the feedstock, including WVO. Big-time European producers commonly use WVO, the standards are strict there. Why would there be a difference? Unless it's badly made, not washed properly. Best wishes Keith Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this is interesting: The UC Davis biodiesel study -- Chemical and Bioassay Analyses of Diesel and Biodiesel Particulate Matter: Pilot Study -- Final Report by Norman Y. Kado, Robert A. Okamoto and Paul A. Kuzmicky, Department of Environmental Toxicology, University of California, Davis, California, November 1996. This U.S. Department of Energy study found that the use of pure biodiesel instead of petroleum-based diesel fuel could offer a 93.6% reduction in cancer risks from exhaust emissions exposure. Acrobat file, 3.1Mb. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisBiodiesel.pdf UC Davis biodiesel study -- summary: the Summary, Results and Discussion sections of the report, in html format. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisSumm.html Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Extending storage life of biodiesel
Hello Philip Interesting, thankyou. Other than the possibility of oxidation causing polymerisation problems, I'm inclined to agree that it's not much of an issue. I've never seen any biodiesel that went bad. We still have some of the first biodiesel we made, more than five years ago, sealed in an HDPE flask with a bung, though it's been opened quite a few times, and it's still fine, nothing wrong with it. Never seen any bacterial decay or algae, and we've been all the while in places that get hot and very humid. Another case of the NBB et al being over-cautious? Best wishes Keith Hello, In relation to the storage issues, from our experience it may not be much of an issue at all at the commercial level we opened up a drum from our first reactor that was 4 years old a couple of weeks ago 45 gallons of it, it had been sitting outside in a steel drum with approximatly 5 inches of airspace over the esters (55 gal drum) so it has been through some record breaking winters and several high heat cycles unattended. even though this was a unintentional test is showing us some things. this batch was 50% soy 50% wvo procesessed at the same time. supprised us... there was a little bit of cloudyness but not much at all, which was easilly removed by simply stirring one of our trucks has run almost a week on it with no change in performance from the freshest batch perhaps it may be as easy as dilution, with fresh.. when you pull up to your customers tank, run theirs through a pump as you add your fresh. perhaps run it through a coalescing filter that you have mounted on your truck to remove any molecular water just wondering, does anyone know of anyone using biodiesel that lets it sit in their tanks for more than a month or 2? I don't except for some standby generators but I have not been able to arrange any contracts with them yet (eg ameritec) so I dont know the inside scoop from what I understand part of their maintenance is to replace the fuel every 6 months anyways On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:14:38 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol use
Hi Craig Hi chaps and lasses Why can't I use methalated spirits in my petrol engine? :-) Ah, the good old days... That'll need a translation for some of the list members. Petrol = gasoline, a spark-ignition engine. Is there any reason other than it been more expensive than petrol? When I looked at what makes up meths. I found out it contains about 90% ethanol and about 5% methanol. It varies, depending on where you are, various denaturants are used, including MEK, for instance. What's the colorant? Probably very little of it anyway. Could I get away with using meths, could anyone answer this for me please. Probably, yes, if the 5% methanol's all that's added. Methanol is corrosive, and so is ethanol, though less so, and much is made of that sometimes, mostly by the parties you'd expect to object. For more info, see for instance: Intensive Field Trial of Ethanol/Petrol Blend in Vehicles http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#ethanoltrial A complete report covering all of the applications of ethanol in gasoline, in new and used engines: ERDC Project No 2511 Intensive Field Trial of Ethanol/Petrol Blend in Vehicles. This trial showed no harm to any engines, and documented the benefits. This is the Executive Summary, compliments of Apace Research Ltd -- 10 pages, 32kb Acrobat file. Also see The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel in the Biofuels Library. There's a lot of info in the list archives. See also: Convert Your Car to Alcohol http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#drane Ethanol and your car http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#ethanolcar HTH Best wishes Keith Thanks Craig Emmerick Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: My view on diesel cars, and a notable event.
please pardon my ignorance. I am a new member. What is WVO and who is NBB? What is feedstock? Thanks for the enlightenment. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: My view on diesel cars, and a notable event. Hello Pierre Keith, I am looking for reports comparing emissions from virgin vegoil biodiesel and watse oil biodiesel. I have left a couple of messages here and there. Do you have any leads? No I don't. The EPA accepted the NBB's data on virgin soy biodiesel as equivalent to all the rest, whatever the feedstock, including WVO. Big-time European producers commonly use WVO, the standards are strict there. Why would there be a difference? Unless it's badly made, not washed properly. Best wishes Keith Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this is interesting: The UC Davis biodiesel study -- Chemical and Bioassay Analyses of Diesel and Biodiesel Particulate Matter: Pilot Study -- Final Report by Norman Y. Kado, Robert A. Okamoto and Paul A. Kuzmicky, Department of Environmental Toxicology, University of California, Davis, California, November 1996. This U.S. Department of Energy study found that the use of pure biodiesel instead of petroleum-based diesel fuel could offer a 93.6% reduction in cancer risks from exhaust emissions exposure. Acrobat file, 3.1Mb. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisBiodiesel.pdf UC Davis biodiesel study -- summary: the Summary, Results and Discussion sections of the report, in html format. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisSumm.html Best wishes Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Arachidic Acid was Re: [biofuel] Responses to Dubya thread
Golly... What's arachnidic, a spider with acne? LOL! Arachidonic, it says on our methanol page, Arachydic - is there really an acid called arachnidic? Not that I'd be any the wiser if there were. Sorry. Subconscious ruled on that one. Should have been arachidic. A minor constituent fatty acid by volume. Probably not minor in the estimation of plants and animals. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Responses to Dubya thread Gee!!! Well, good grief... Anyway, sorry. Damn am I glad that I kept my tongue in check, although not in cheek. Next thing I know somone would be calling me arachnidic, palmitic, phosphoric, sulfuric or some other such. Golly... What's arachnidic, a spider with acne? LOL! Arachidonic, it says on our methanol page, Arachydic - is there really an acid called arachnidic? Not that I'd be any the wiser if there were. Just kidding. Although I always have equated acerbic with acidic. All those words are acidic, except caustic. How about vitriolic? Worse than acerbic, as sulphuric acid's worse than acetic. Quite mild, acerbic, considering. Sorry. I just hate whiners that offer no solutions. Comes from my Greenpeace upbringing. At least they had a solution in hand with every bitch they offered. Yes, they all do, allegations to the contrary from the anti-Eco-Nazis of the Wise Use bunch and so on to the contrary. Not that one ever sees anything resembling a solution from them either, other than to convert the commons in toto into a corporate bottom-line. Anyway, not only that, what struck me more was that all the work that goes on here that does offer solutions, and indeed implements them, was just labelled as criticism and ignored. Regards Keith Todd As far as my call for recommendations is concerned, you personal attack didn't offer a solution to our pickle. Namely, we have a pro-war jackass in office, and another pro-war jackass attempting to unseat him. In the end we'll still end up with a pro-war jackass as president. So bright boy, instead of attacking me why don't you shut your stinking cake hole before I shut it for you? Get this straight right off - I'm not defending Todd, I'm attacking you. Todd was acerbic, even abrasive, but this response of yours is most offensive and uncalled for. Again you behave as those you say are the problem behave Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: My view on diesel cars, and a notable event.
Hello Josephine, welcome When you joined you were sent a Welcome message listing a whole bunch of useful resources which will tell you everything you need to know and more. If you've lost it, you can find the same resources listed here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel Or just go to the links at the end of every message you receive - to Journey to Forever and the list's archives. please pardon my ignorance. I am a new member. What is WVO Waste Vegetable Oil. It's not a very good name because it usually contains residues of animal fats, fish oils etc from what's been cooked in it, but the name has stuck, everybody uses it now. Opposite is SVO - Straight Vegetable Oil, uncooked, new, virgin. In Europe SVO is usually called PPO - Pure Plant Oil. Crude oils are as they come from the plant, unrefined, such as Crude Palm Oil - CPO. I don't like acronyms, but these are in common usage now. and who is NBB? The National Biodiesel Board in the US, which was formed by soy interests and largely controlled by the big corporations involved in industrialised soy production. I suppose you can regard the NBB as the trade association of the big, centralised commercial biodiesel producers in the US. They're not very popular with small-scale producers and home-scale producers, for good reason. There's a good database of biodiesel information at their website though. What is feedstock? The raw material you use in any production process. In producing biodiesel, the feedstock is the type of oil used, whether WVO or SVO, from soy, sunflower, rapeseed, or whatever. Thanks for the enlightenment. You're welcome, hope it helps. Best wishes Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: My view on diesel cars, and a notable event. Hello Pierre Keith, I am looking for reports comparing emissions from virgin vegoil biodiesel and watse oil biodiesel. I have left a couple of messages here and there. Do you have any leads? No I don't. The EPA accepted the NBB's data on virgin soy biodiesel as equivalent to all the rest, whatever the feedstock, including WVO. Big-time European producers commonly use WVO, the standards are strict there. Why would there be a difference? Unless it's badly made, not washed properly. Best wishes Keith Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this is interesting: The UC Davis biodiesel study -- Chemical and Bioassay Analyses of Diesel and Biodiesel Particulate Matter: Pilot Study -- Final Report by Norman Y. Kado, Robert A. Okamoto and Paul A. Kuzmicky, Department of Environmental Toxicology, University of California, Davis, California, November 1996. This U.S. Department of Energy study found that the use of pure biodiesel instead of petroleum-based diesel fuel could offer a 93.6% reduction in cancer risks from exhaust emissions exposure. Acrobat file, 3.1Mb. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisBiodiesel.pdf UC Davis biodiesel study -- summary: the Summary, Results and Discussion sections of the report, in html format. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisSumm.html Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] ethanol use
Hi Keith FirstlyThank you Keith for the very informative info you pointed out on ethanol use in a gasoline motor. Secondly..The amount of info I have managed to get by scounging a bit deeper. I have learnt a yard full in such a short time. At present I am building another 25 litre BD proccessor for myself and brother in law. His Isuzu diesel van has the 2.5 litre engine powering it. My proccessor is a 2 tank type, but waiting for a promised pump to complete the little monster(my wife's affectionate name for it) She reakons it looks allien with the pipes and funny goodiescoming out of it. Great Craig Emmerick For those who missed out on the info..try these. Intensive Field Trial of Ethanol/Petrol Blend in Vehicles http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#ethanoltrial http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#ethanoltrial See also: Convert Your Car to Alcohol http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#drane http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#drane Ethanol and your car http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#ethanolcar http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#ethanolcar http://152.107.42.100/RocketSeed/mail/433a313a313833323636323a323236313a2d323a3131 DISCLAIMER : Volkswagen of South Africa (Pty) Ltd Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. No liability shall attach whatsoever to VWSA from this communication except where the sender is acting on specific authority of VWSA, such authority being public record and acknowledged by VWSA by nature of the employee's functions. This document may in no way be photocopied, printed, scanned or electronically duplicated for any purposes other than that for which it was originally intended. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, please discard this message and notify VWSA immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Goverment in Holland
Has anyone checked (or tried to) for all the rules and regulations asociated with commercial biodisel exploitation here? I am unable to find any leads on the net for info. Wondering about enviromental rules , subsidies etc And if it's possible to start it as a recycling company instead of petrochemical.. (very interesting if it's possible!) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale
Hi Pieter, Seems I'm pretty good at making mayonaise but BD is another story. As I've done a step by step analysis of all concerned parts of the proces the only unknown is the quality of my methanol. The bottle doesn't say what the percentage of Methanol is May I ask where you get your methanol or who is the producing company? Mny thx, Pieter From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:13:15 +0200 The number is 06 2049 38 58 (Jan de Jong). Mention my name if you wish, and maybe you'll even get it a little cheaper. I have a small factory and Jan is my supplier. Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: pieter van eeten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Eindhoven, do they sell wholesale at Breustedt or also smaller batches, seem more appropriate to start small with my first batch. Have you been making BD for a while? From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:50:28 +0200 Hi Pieter, Where do you live ? My supplier is Breustedt in Apeldoorn Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: pieter van eeten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Hi Pieter, Seems I found a fellow Dutch guy around, something bound to happen of course. Pieter I recently became interested in Biodiesel and want to start producing it or at least give it my best shot. However, it seems I cannot get hold of decent lye (or NaOH) would you mind telling me where your supplier has hidden himself? Or where else I might be able to find good Lye? Grtz, Pieter van Eeten From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:19:10 +0200 Yes. What is the price ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Hi I have a Westfalia centrifugal separator for sale. Its rated to approx. 900L per hr, has a single phase and 3-phase motor. I imported it from the states for a bio-diesel pilot plant. Is any one interested? Mark 07963 651609 ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey
Re: [biofuel] Goverment in Holland
Are you in the netherlands? you should contact the ministry that is concerned with it ( http://www.overheid.nl/organisaties/centraal/ministeries/ ) VenW or AZ and so. and ask if they can direct you and give you some information already also. after that you can also try postbus51 ( http://www.postbus51.nl/ ) and contacting any political party which you know of that will support it and ask questions there. ( http://www.rug.nl/dnpp/politiekePartijen/ ) Please let us know what you find out about it. Thanks Joel frag_lag wrote: Has anyone checked (or tried to) for all the rules and regulations asociated with commercial biodisel exploitation here? I am unable to find any leads on the net for info. Wondering about enviromental rules , subsidies etc And if it's possible to start it as a recycling company instead of petrochemical.. (very interesting if it's possible!) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129qtdc2b/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1091184422/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companion.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Lumpy BD
'Lo again L. Actually the one I used for this test was open, but for what all purposes is, outside. My full blown processor is completely closed and fumeless, this is the pre-heat drum which had it's immersion heater welded too high on the wall and I had to use a hotplate (electric) and the heat died off way too soon, which is what leaves me to think it was heat related, not process related. In any case I am redoing the batch again this Friday only this time I am having the heater on the drum MiG welded lower so that I can better control the heat all throughout the process, again for all practical purposes, outside. The unit is housed in a pump house and I redid the doors into a barn door configuration so that they open wide right in front of where I am working. Now if I can find one of those ring closures between now and Friday I will install that as an added precaution. The methoxide is being injected via a combination of Methoxide the Easy Way http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth and JtF's use of an aquarium air pump to pump in some pressure to the carboy's vent inlet which I have rigged with a delrin sleeve in the cap. A delrin sleeve is a copper tube about an inch or so long (2- 2.5cm) that is flarred at the one end so I drilled out a hole through the cap and vent inlet area just big enough to not allow the flanged part to go through and then I screw down the cap with this sleeve between it. It is just the right size for an aquarium air line to attach and once the cap is firmly screwed down it is air tight too (no fumes). Sounds good. We just rigged it with epoxy putty, which works fine, but I'll check out delrin sleeves, thanks. Re your next point, KOH, among its other advantages, only takes about 15 minutes to mix the Easy way. Or say an hour if you're lazy. Up until now it was not a simple matter to get hold of KOH that was reliably pure or whose purity was easily attainable (the numbers aren't on the container, go figure)so I went with the NaOH instead, but then I was offered some lab grade (99.9%) KOH after having bought the sodium so I have yet to have a go using that.. It won't be 99.9%, lab grade is 92%, which is the maximum, or 90% or 85%. We use 85%, which is what we get from our very nice chemical suppliers, and it's just fine. You have to allow for the lower purity than NaOH when doing your calculations. It's detailed at Journey to Forever. Another reason,I believe, it solidified so much is that, as I said, it is in a pump house, and the temps at night went down to 13C and it being in an open drum didn't help nor did the fact that it is pretty crappy oil (titrated to 10gr/liter)so there was A LOT of by- product :). Yuk. Yes, that'll probably solidify with NaOH. Anyway, I am having another whack at it this weekend toping off the processed oil with some fresh WVO, only better quality this time, to make 20 liters again (I like round numbers)and re-titrating it to 4.75gr/liter and we shall see what the results will bring. De-gunking the lower plumbing in a water heater style processor requires applying heat from the tank's immersion heater carefully so as not to stir up the mixture again and having to have it re-settle. What a schlepp. But I guess it's a schlepp in any processor. In order to not have the pum[p and exterior plumbing get gunked up I have installed two isolation valves that will allow me to completely drain the pump and plumbing once the processing is complete, yet retain the settling inside the tank. That sounds good. I doubt the pump would mind, but indeed the plumbing wouldn't be very cooperative. I get the idea it might not be too easy to free up plumbing blocked with solidified glycerine cocktail just by using the immersion heater in the tank. Mark talks of using hair-dryers and hot water and so on. Once it has settled, I can drain the glycerine via a hose BEFORE it gets to the pump and then the BD can be pumped into the wash bin using the clear pump afterwards.(Also washing out any possible small residues en route) OR I have it set up so that I can easily incorporate a second settling tank a la JtF 90 liter processor http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html using a secondary tube to send it there again using the same pump where it can settle while I do another batch and simply let it settle in the processor itself. I find that can get a bit gruelling, though it's a useful option to have. In moving house etc recently we didn't make any biod for a few weeks, and ended up with much more WVO than we like to have on hand, so I've been processing it steadily, one batch after another. But instead of having a batch in the settling tank and doing a second batch straight away to settle in the processor, I just have one batch in the settling tank. As soon as one of the two washing tanks is free, I transfer the (now settled) biod from the settling tank to that wash-tank, then process a new batch and settle it in
Re: [biofuel] Goverment in Holland
yup, ben nederlander he :) but it's better to type english here , the rest migh think i'm a terrorist :P Are you in the netherlands? you should contact the ministry that is concerned with it ( http://www.overheid.nl/organisaties/centraal/ministeries/ ) VenW or AZ and so. and ask if they can direct you and give you some information already also. after that you can also try postbus51 ( http://www.postbus51.nl/ ) and contacting any political party which you know of that will support it and ask questions there. ( http://www.rug.nl/dnpp/politiekePartijen/ ) _ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] methanol recovery
would very light stirring speed up methanol recovery? (utilising 2 different tanks 1 for byproduct , 1 for biodiesel) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Westfalia Centrifuge for sale
I'd like to know that myself too.. (make a nice sticky on my board) http://www.fraggie.com --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, pieter van eeten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pieter, Seems I'm pretty good at making mayonaise but BD is another story. As I've done a step by step analysis of all concerned parts of the proces the only unknown is the quality of my methanol. The bottle doesn't say what the percentage of Methanol is May I ask where you get your methanol or who is the producing company? Mny thx, Pieter From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:13:15 +0200 The number is 06 2049 38 58 (Jan de Jong). Mention my name if you wish, and maybe you'll even get it a little cheaper. I have a small factory and Jan is my supplier. Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: pieter van eeten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Eindhoven, do they sell wholesale at Breustedt or also smaller batches, seem more appropriate to start small with my first batch. Have you been making BD for a while? From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:50:28 +0200 Hi Pieter, Where do you live ? My supplier is Breustedt in Apeldoorn Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: pieter van eeten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Hi Pieter, Seems I found a fellow Dutch guy around, something bound to happen of course. Pieter I recently became interested in Biodiesel and want to start producing it or at least give it my best shot. However, it seems I cannot get hold of decent lye (or NaOH) would you mind telling me where your supplier has hidden himself? Or where else I might be able to find good Lye? Grtz, Pieter van Eeten From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:19:10 +0200 Yes. What is the price ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale Hi I have a Westfalia centrifugal separator for sale. Its rated to approx. 900L per hr, has a single phase and 3-phase motor. I imported it from the
[biofuel] WVO emissions - was Re: My view on diesel cars, and a notable event.
The suggestions come from colleaugues at work, scientists involved in the petroleum industry. They have no knowledge in the area of biofuel, but like to rain on my parade! I understand the burden of proof tactic, however, I see how the herbs industry gets away with quackery because the medical community also leaves them the burden of proof. The naturopaths simply do not prove anything and go on making outlandish claims! Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pierre Or perhaps the burden of proof should be on the accusers? Your authority for shifting it back to where it belongs would be the EPA statement I mentioned (below). Anyway, all three of those things are supposed to be carcinogenic. Whence then the 93.6% reduction in cancer risks from exhaust emissions exposure in the UC Davis biodiesel study? From whom exactly have you received these suggestions, Pierre? Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
