[Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Violence mayhem....
I am really sorry that New Orleans had to go through the devastation of Katrina. However I have to compare how the people of Asia handled the ravages of the Tsunami compared to the anarchy of the population of New Orleans. One picture I carry from New Orleans is of the violence shootings. I think it is time that the Americans gained some common sense, got control of the gun situation. I am amazed at the stoicism of the Asians in the aftermath of the Tsunami, and the comparison in my eyes to the current events leaves me horrified. regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality
Hi Chris, I'm surprised to see you take these positions, you've often disparaged corporate and government abuse of power, and spoken up for the underdogs. On Sep 6, 2005, at 1:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps that accounts for the difference between the way the government responded. . . not quite . . .at 9/11 - where mostly White and rich people were the victims of foreign anger. . . more than this. they were victims of crazed, uncivilized, america-hating (and therefore american-ideology-of-freedom-liberty-law-and-order-personal- responsibility-and-bootstrap-individualism-hating), evil-doing *people*of*color*. They hate our way of life? Could this be sarcasm? It seems evident that much of the world hates us for our long-standing fascist meddling in their politics, economy, and religion, and NOT for our vaunted democracy or wealth. and in New Orleans where the victims were largely Black and unable to escape a natural disaster unassisted. and who have shown themselves, in this instance and so many other previous instances of inner-city rioting and looting, to be crazed, uncivilized, america-hating (and therefore american-ideology-of-freedom-liberty-law-and-order-personal- responsibility-and-bootstrap-individualism-hating), evil-doing *people*of*color*. Again, I have to wonder, is this sarcasm? There were many reasons for people to stand firm in their homes as the water rose. Some of those reasons are seen as classic american virtues; protecting your property and land, personal responsibility, loyalty to family, freedom from government intervention. Others were simply pragmatic; no money, no transport, poor communications, mistrust of government, especially police. This last reason is a powerful motivator in Louisiana, whose government has been extraordinarily corrupt: http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/maginnis/index.ssf?/base/news-A1000/ 112365494168030.xml http://flyservers.com/members5/policecrime.com/misconduct/ Louisiana_police.html http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2005-03-01/news_feat.html It appears that Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin, while possibly incompetent, are far less corrupt than their predecessors or Bush's cabinet; http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/maginnis/index.ssf?/base/news-A1000/ 112365494168030.xml and of course it's hard to imagine any agency or department as being more incompetent than Bush's administration and the gutted corpse of FEMA they created. in other words, there is a level on which, for many americans, the new orleans victims **represent** the enemy which caused 9/11. But your point wasn't that they stayed behind, it was that those who stayed behind were all crazed, uncivilized, america-hating ... evil-doing *people*of*color*, just like the tiny band of fanatics (none from Iraq) responsible for 9-11. Given that the New Orleans population is 70% black, and the black population is disproportionately poorer than the white, making them much less able to evacuate the city, we could easily assume that 90% of those remaining in the city are black, and the poorest of the poor, the most disenfranchised citizens of that city. I'd like to know how many meals, how many days without water any of us might go before we broke into a flooded market. Would I steal food and water for my family? Of course, as would we all. Would I steal electronics in a city without power? Certainly not, but every population, every race has its share of the thieving, the vicious, and the stupid. Shall we brand all whites as thieves just because Ken Lay stole hundreds of millions of dollars from Enron stockholders and pension funds? http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/Ken_Lay.php Shall we brand all Texans as hypocritical panderers, because of one bad apple in the white house? For many americans, the perpetrators of our 60 years of imperialist foreign policy **represent** the enemy which caused 9/11. Taryn http://ornae.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who is setting oil prices?
it is precisely this mechanism which allows the petrogiants to control prices while seemingly divorcing themselves from the process. -chris b. In a message dated 9/7/05 2:31:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In 1983, the New York Mercantile Exchange began to trade oil futures on its commodity market. Over time, commodity market trading would become the price maker. Petroleum prices would not be set by regulators controlling supply, by refiners stating what they would pay, or by OPEC oil ministers. . . . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Ford Festiva on ethanol?
Hello all, I have an 88 Festiva, carburated 1.4L, compression ratio 9.7:1 The engine is simple enough and after reading Mother's instructions for modifications, I think I could do it, but... there is no possibility of changing the compression ratio, because I won't spend the kind of money it would take to do that to this shitbox. So, I am wondering what y'all think about running ethanol on this compression ratio? Some people say it's OK, some say utterly inefficient. In my opinion, if it sucks too much fuel then it's not really worth it. What do y'all think? Is anybody out there running ethanol with this kind of compression? What is your fuel usage like compared to gas? Thanks, Erik E. TN ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine???
Karn, Go to JtF site then Biodiesel and Your Vehicle then Quality Testing See advise of Todd Swearingen and Jan Warnqvist regarding simple quality tests of your BD. Todd Swearingen suggests reprocessing a 1L sample of biodiesel. Any glycerine byproduct indicates an incomplete reaction. Jan Warnqvist's method is based on the solubility of 25 ml of the BD in 225 ml of methanol. BD is soluble. Any insoluble residue indicates an incomplete reaction. Careful measurement od residue allow for a quantitative assessment of contaminants. While getting clear wash water with the same pH as the water used, indicates BD that is fit to be used, these simple quality tests are ways of assessing your reaction, and the overall quality of your BD. I recently asked for help. A 25 gal. batch, washed and dried, was crystal clear. In a 1L glass bottle looked good enough to drink. I reprocessed a 1L sample and got glycerine byproduct. I followed the Jan W. quality test and got insoluble residue. Was the BD good enough to use in a diesel engine? I think so. Can I make better? Yes. Keith Addison suggested that I agitate the mix longer + heat it a few degrees higher (~130F). I've just run another 25 gal. batch tweaking it as recommended. I suspect it will finish crystal clear. I will run the two quality tests to see if I have achieved a more complete reaction. Using the quality test described at JtF your product can go from good to better. Best Wishes, Tom - Original Message - From: malcolm maclure [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine??? Hi Karn, Sounds like your BD is just right, you may have some water in it so you should remove it. To test your product do a shake test with water in a 1l bottle, if it separates ok quickly without the formation of other layers, your BD is fine. What you haven't told us is what year/ make of vehicle you intend to use it in. In general most people have no problems despite what car manufacturers say, but always wash your BD is well (3 - 4 washes) Good luck Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karn Intania Sent: 07 September 2005 09:34 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine??? I was washing my BD with hot water three times and checking for pH. (it's neutral.) The BD looks light yellow clear and translucent. How can I sure that the BD does not harm my diesel engine? or any test method that I need to do more? Please...need help regards, Karn __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel
So, if I use ASTM washed biodiesel, how much of it could I add in a gas engine? Greg, I think you said 15% or so in the jeeps, but I'm wondering what effects you notices on energy performance: smoother, harder starting, plug life, mileage, etc Thanks Zeke Boulder, CO, USA On 9/7/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ray, it's been well known for many years that high concentrations of methanol have a bad effect on light metals and their alloys, and on many organic compounds used in engine intake systems. It's been so well known for so long that the racers who use methanol fuel mostly all know about and take precautions which they regard as routine. I would guess they don't talk much about because it isn't news to them. Low concentrations as resulting from the use of fuel line de-icer apparently don't matter. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Ray J wrote: Thats funny .. i have been around race engines on and off for years, on dirt tracks , drag strips, and go karts and have not heard / seen anything special about them compared to their gasoline burning versions other than carb setup. mabey its just on them million dollar indy car engines... Ray J I went looking some time back and foun this at a race site. I've seen some other references to parts of it. Seems those racecars have special engines, thoroughly corrosion-proofed, no exposed aluminium, the entire fuel system is internally coated with Teflon and stainless steel, the fuel bladder is made of a special compound, the valve seats are brass, no fuel is left in the engine overnight, the cylinder walls have to be fogged with oil so they won't rust. Turns aluminum to powder... There's this too: http://www.bera1.org/LA-buses.html Los Angeles Evaluation of Methanol- and Ethanol-Fueled Buses ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:02:34 -0400 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. I have identified a few waves in the nefarious Canadian assault on the US: Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavine, Shania Twain and the like. Oh it's on Canada, it's on! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine???
Hi Malcolm, The shake test that you said is used proportion between water and BD 1:1 or 2:1, also, I plan to use my BD with a 125hp 1996-yanmar diesel engine for water pumping. Hi Michael, Keith, I did not do both test you said. however, I will figure it out what I gonna do with the said-test methods. Hi Mike, It is clear and has some soap(very little). I measure pH with litmus paper in the third wash. Thanks all regards, Karn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] J.Howard Flunks Homework on Silent Oil Crisis
Just so you know, the little east African country of Eritrea has resumed selling gasoline and diesel fuel for personal use some months back after suspending such sales for several months starting late last year. If James Howard got this so wrong, one can only wonder what else he screwed up on in this article. I quit reading after the Eritrea part. Eritrea is moving towards biodiesel and ethanol, but is still importing petroleum, now from Libya, and will continue to do so for quite some time, and never stopped importing petroleum. Howard got it all wrong. Selam, Thomas C. Mountain Horn of Africa specialist ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. vs. Canada (was Iran's Nuclear Program)
i think the u.s. govt will feel it has no choice but to invade canada once the draft gets reinstated. a haven for draft dodgers must not be allowed (yet another aspect of the counter-counter-culture hysteria which has characterized the reagan era). -chris b. In a message dated Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:40:26, Darryl McMahon writes: The growing number of disputes where the U.S. is choosing which legal decisions it will respect (in their favour) and ignore (inconvenient), e.g. fisheries, softwood, Devil's lake, can be taken as an indication of U.S. willingness to invoke gunboat diplomacy at their discretion, even with their friends. I don't think the U.S. military will lack for resources to invade northward once the C-in-C gives the order. Darryl McMahon Doug ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Would you be willing to be shot or hanged first? Given the typical methods of authoritarian governments, that's the crucial question. In 1812 coercion was not necessary; propaganda alone sufficed. The American immigrants who made up most of the population of the Niagara peninsula found it hard to take the war seriously, until the American militia started burning and looting. By the end of the war the Niagara frontier was a burned-out desert on both sides. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Mike Weaver wrote: In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Shooting Down the Breeze
hmm. you could be right, kirk, but i must say that i've done some home brewing of wine and don't recall ever reading anything about having to pay attention to ph for high yeast productivity. there's also the question of pressure, though. nevertheless, if this only slows the yeast down, there's no reason such a scheme wouldn't work so long as the slower ethanol generation weren't prohibitive. even if it were, a modified arrangement might still work whereby the pressurized co2 were obtained in a way similar to champagne making. -chris b. In a message dated Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:42:04, Kirk McLoren writes: CO2 readily goes into solution and thereby changes pH. I think the yeast would be inhibited as pH dropped. Kirk Manick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I moot an unconventional source of power: It is my firm belief that CO2 from ethanol fermentation process can be compressed on its own without compressors and without damage to the bugs and drive turbines for electric power. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] MENTOR NEEDED IN ALABAMA
virgil sentel wrote: I'm a newbie here and I live in Ozark, Al. (near Dothan). When I was in the Army I went to AIT at Fort Rucker, so I know where you are. He can get me a gal to start for 25.00 is this agood price? Hell no! Tell him to go find another sucker! Just about any racing shop should be able to sell you methanol for around $5/gal, but you'll have to provide your own container. Which, usually, the racing shop can sell you. AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem....
Only time in my entire life I was Almost mugged was in New Orleans. I'm from North La. /Ruston/La Tech area with relatives in NO. We had gone done there when I was about 20 years ago for some wild boy partying on bourbon street. On the way back to our truck, we got lost in the alleys and bumped in to the wrong people at 4 am If the .357 hadn't appeared from under the coat of one of the guys running with us that night, we would have all been robbed and fleeced, maybe knifed or hurt And we had NO IDEA he was packing that thing the whole evening. Kinda glad he did/was though we didn’t hang with him a whole lot more later as well... Psycho as well Stories, stories New Orleans LA is/was one of the most corrupted/crime and Drug infested places on this continent. ALL the cops are bad and drug barons in bed Remember the Grateful Dead Song about being busted in New Orleans? Setup like a bowling pin. The folks from the north are NOTHING like the south and the inner city New Orleans population is what you have seen on TeeVee -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 9/6/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] New Catalyst Produces Hydrogen from Water
hmm. you'd think there's one obvious way the stuff could be obtained in larger quantities, but only if the current paradigm changes. -chris b. In a message dated Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:59:18, Kirk McLoren writes: The big question is, of course, whether it would be economically viable to create organosilane fuels in the quantities necessary. . .and while it's a relatively easy process, it's not dirt cheap. One of the drawbacks, the team reports, is the high cost of the organosilane starting materials. But if the silicon byproduct can be sold or recycled efficiently, the new approach could ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality
hi duncan. um, send who to gitmo? if you mean the ones who succumb to the twisted, hateful triple-think which i describe, then, you might be onto something there. . . . -chris b. In a message dated Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:45:45, Duncan writes: You then say there is a level on which, for many americans, the new orleans victims **represent** the enemy which caused 9/11. And the solution? Send them to Guantanomo Bay? I hope that it's not many Americans who believe this, although if it is then perhaps the response to Katrina is explained. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality
Hi Chris, hi, taryn. I'm surprised to see you take these positions you've often disparaged corporate and government abuse of power indeed i have. and spoken up for the underdogs. as i did with my earlier post to this thread. duncan is not an american but he summed up the meaning quite well (though based on his further comments i'm not sure whether he understood my voice either--see my post immediately preceding this one). Duncan wrote: It seems that you agree that Katrina and what happened during and after are caused by inequalities, but inequalities that are deeper than income. Inequalities that divide a nation to such an extent that one group can call itself American and the other not. of course, i was simplifying things a teeny bit in the interest of brevity and succinctness. for some, for example, the simple fact of mardi gras--a days-long orgy of drunken debauchery and sexual disinhibition--would be reason enough to let the city sink into the gulf. of course, many who think that way already think in the way i described earlier in this thread. anyway, sorry for any misunderstanding. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] National Geographic on New Orleans
Hi, A friend sent me this link to a National Geographic article from October 2004, predicting what might happen should a hurricane strike the city: http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/ Spooky stuff. Thanks, Sam -- Sam Critchley - mailing-list address A2B Location-Based Search Engine - http://www.a2b.cc - Find websites near a geographical location - Search using a GPS device or from a map - Register your blog and see your neighbours in blogland ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification
Hi Keith I have done a 1L test . Fortunatly I re titrated after deacidification and found that the oil had dropped from 7mls to 1ml titration so I added this plus the 3.5. in the 25% methanol, and it came up nice and clear after three washes. Cheers Ian :-) You're on your way Ian, good news! Best wishes Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification Hi Ian Hi Folks I have tried the deacidification method with good results in the test batch. However when I heat the oil to process it foams agressivly. I assume this is the water/lye reacting? It leaves a thick layer of fat/soap? which i skim off leaving good oil, titration of 1ml instead of 7mls. For want of a better phrase, is this normal? You probably got some soapstock along with the oil, but it doesn't seem to matter much. Skimming it off is the right thing to do with it. Did you try processing the deacidified oil yet? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#deacid Make your own biodiesel - page 2: Deacidifying WVO Best wishes Keith Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel
Hi Gregg Hi Keith, I was just giving him info that I had run across in the owner's manual of a car I'd just bought to which I was thinking of adding a little BD with the gas. Once I saw that warning, I elected to err on the side of caution. I have seen that warning in at least 4 owner's manuals from different auto makers. But they were warning about methanol, not methyl esters. On the same basis, it needs oxygen to burn the fuel, will you give it water instead? Water has oxygen in it. I said I don't think, AFAIK: I'm not quite sure what you're saying Gregg, but I don't think methyl esters are a form of methanol any more than water is a form of oxygen. Free methanol in unwashed biodiesel is another matter though. If so, the warning just doesn't apply to biodiesel. As long as it's washed properly. We need a chemist's opinion. Best wishes Keith If the vehicle he was referring to is an older model, then he may not have any problems what so ever. As for use in his lawn mower engine, I love the smell of BD in the morning. Sincerely, Gregg Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Christopher and all >Hi: > >Don't professional race car drivers use methanol in their engines? So >why can't it be used in an ordinary car? I'm guessing race car engines >should be more sensitive. Anyone care to comment? > >Best, >Christopher I went looking some time back and foun this at a race site. I've seen some other references to parts of it. Seems those racecars have special engines, thoroughly corrosion-proofed, no exposed aluminium, the entire fuel system is internally coated with Teflon and stainless steel, the fuel bladder is made of a special compound, the valve seats are brass, no fuel is left in the engine overnight, the cylinder walls have to be fogged with oil so they won't rust. Turns aluminum to powder... There's this too: http://www.bera1.org/LA-buses.ht! ml Los Angeles Evaluation of Methanol- and Ethanol-Fueled Buses >Gregg Davidson wrote: > > > Hi Jim, > > > > The * VERY * first thing you need to make sure of when putting > > biodiesel in your gasoline engine is that the addition of methanol > > in * ANY * form will not damage your engine. *I strongly suggest* * > > you read your owners manual *. I'm not quite sure what you're saying Gregg, but I don't think methyl esters are a form of methanol any more than water is a form of oxygen. Free methanol in unwashed biodiesel is another matter though. Best wishes Keith > > *I recently bought a new vehicle out of couriousity looked at the > > fuel specs. Use of gasoline, and */* or gasoline-ethanol* *mixtures is > > > allowed, but gasoline-methanol mixtures or the addition of methanol in > > > any way, shape, form, or fashion! can damage or destroy vital engine > > components.* > > ** > > Respectfully, > > Gregg Davidson > > > > ** > > > >Thanks Greg, >I decided against using it as an additive right now except into an old >lawn mower that I have. ( no loss..probably should be in dump anyway) >But I did use it in an old Kerosene lamp. I guess its just so cool to >see something you made do what its supposed to (quality tests) then to >see it burn so clean no smoke at all well thats just cool. I plan >on having the ASTM testing done for quality before I use it in my >Cumins.I have a long ways to go before I am at that level though. > >I am still looking for information about white PVC pipe and and how it >stands the chemicals. I want to experiment with my venturis as a vacume >source and for introduction of Methoxil. Any guidance?? > > > ! > > > > * * > > > > * > > * > > */Keith Addison /* wrote: > > > > Hello Jim > > > > >I had some general question about Biodiesel: > > > > > >1. I have some PVC Venturis that I thought would work for mixing >the > > >Methoxil and oil together. Would it tear up the PVC? How about > > Venturis > > >and PVC in the washing process? > > > > > >2. How much if any Biodiesel can be added to gasoline engines as >an > > >upper lubricant and carb cleaner additive? > > > > See: > > > > Biodiesel in gasoline engines > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#gas > > > > Best wishes > > > > Keith > > > > > > >3. Has any one gotten good results from this us! age of biodiesel? > > > > > >4. Will this use work with 2 stroke engines? I need to winterize > > my boat > > >and wonder how that would work as opposed to sea foam. > > > > > >5. I can get methanol for $2.24 US is this good bad or average? > > > > > >Thank you > > >Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] BD disinfo?
Who is putting about mis- or disinfo that biodiesel has a very short shelf-life? We keep getting enquiries from people who seem to think so. Does the biodiesel have a shelf life? Or: I read somewhere that biodesil has a short shelf life. And so on and on and on. Somewhere, hm. Any ideas where this BS is coming from? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality
Chris, The question was meant to be rhetorical (with the answer being no, and so a rhetorical question becomes a question when answered - there's a riddle in there somewhere). I tried to use it to illustrate the strangeness of calling your fellow Americans the enemy. Regards, Duncan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Biofuel- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 September 2005 11:34 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality hi duncan. um, send who to gitmo? if you mean the ones who succumb to the twisted, hateful triple-think which i describe, then, you might be onto something there. . . . -chris b. In a message dated Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:45:45, Duncan writes: You then say there is a level on which, for many americans, the new orleans victims **represent** the enemy which caused 9/11. And the solution? Send them to Guantanomo Bay? I hope that it's not many Americans who believe this, although if it is then perhaps the response to Katrina is explained. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ This E-mail message and its attachments are subject to the disclaimers published at http://www.barloworld-equipment.com/mail_disclaimer.htm Barloworld Equipment - 7 Values: Integrity + Uncompromising Customer Service + Long Term Customer Relationships + Passion For Our Brands + Professionalism + Effective Communication + Winning Through Team Work. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality
Chris, as i did with my earlier post to this thread. duncan is not an american but he summed up the meaning quite well (though based on his further comments i'm not sure whether he understood my voice either--see my post immediately preceding this one). No I didn't 'understand your voice'. Anyway I'll look (listen?) out for it next time. In the context you used it in earlier twisted, hateful triple-think does triple-think have a meaning (I'll accept an American one)? Regards, Duncan This E-mail message and its attachments are subject to the disclaimers published at http://www.barloworld-equipment.com/mail_disclaimer.htm Barloworld Equipment - 7 Values: Integrity + Uncompromising Customer Service + Long Term Customer Relationships + Passion For Our Brands + Professionalism + Effective Communication + Winning Through Team Work. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification
Hi Todd, There is a method of making biodiesel where all feedstock is converted to soap, then chemically cracked to 100% FFAs and esterified to yield ~100% biodiesel. But it's doubtful that you have the set up for something that involved at any moderate scale. What methode is that ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification
How stupid am I ?? When we remove the FFA's , we have only left the FFA's connected to a glyc molecule. Right so far ? The next step we do with the single stage is, breaking the fatty acids of the glyc molecule, which produces FFA's. (Not) right so far ? Next we connect a meth. molecule on top of the FFA's. So why do we have to remove the FFA's at the first place ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification Hi Ian Hi Folks I have tried the deacidification method with good results in the test batch. However when I heat the oil to process it foams agressivly. I assume this is the water/lye reacting? It leaves a thick layer of fat/soap? which i skim off leaving good oil, titration of 1ml instead of 7mls. For want of a better phrase, is this normal? You probably got some soapstock along with the oil, but it doesn't seem to matter much. Skimming it off is the right thing to do with it. Did you try processing the deacidified oil yet? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#deacid Make your own biodiesel - page 2: Deacidifying WVO Best wishes Keith Cheers Ian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Catalyst Produces Hydrogen from Water
Organosilane fuels? When carbon is oxidised we get a gas; when silicon is oxidised we get sand. External combustion engines perhaps. Not as efficient. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm. you'd think there's one obvious way the stuff could be obtained in larger quantities, but only if the current paradigm changes. -chris b. In a message dated Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:59:18, Kirk McLoren writes: The big question is, of course, whether it would be economically viable to create organosilane fuels in the quantities necessary. . .and while it's a relatively easy process, it's not dirt cheap. One of the drawbacks, the team reports, is the high cost of the organosilane starting materials. But if the silicon byproduct can be sold or recycled efficiently, the new approach could ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem....
Eh Mel, than so it's OK if they drowned? F.F, - Original Message - From: Mel Riser To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem Only time in my entire life I was "Almost " mugged was in New Orleans.I'm from North La. /Ruston/La Tech area with relatives in NO.We had gone done there when I was about 20 years ago for some wild boy partying on bourbon street.On the way back to our truck, we got lost in the alleys and bumped in to the wrong people at 4 amIf the .357 hadn't appeared from under the coat of one of the guys running with us that night, we would have all been robbed and fleeced, maybe knifed or hurtAnd we had NO IDEA he was packing that thing the whole evening.Kinda glad he did/was though we didn’t hang with him a whole lot more later as well... Psycho as wellStories, storiesNew Orleans LA is/was one of the most corrupted/crime and Drug infested places on this continent.ALL the cops are bad and drug barons in bed Remember the Grateful Dead Song about being busted in New Orleans? Setup like a bowling pin.The folks from the north are NOTHING like the south and the inner city New Orleans population is what you have seen on TeeVee-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 9/6/2005 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel
I haven't followed this thread too closely so if my comments are off the mark, just ignore them. 1. the methanol in fatty acid methyl esters is chemically combined so is a non-issue with respect to concerns about methanol in engines. 2. Spark ignition engines are not built to burn diesel fuel and by extension biodiesel. These fuels have too low a vapor pressure, and too high a viscosity to properly react in a gasoline engine. One could probably get away with small amounts, but too much and you will foul the plugs, and most likely degrade the effectiveness of the catalytic combustor in the exhaust system. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Gregg Hi Keith, I was just giving him info that I had run across in the owner's manual of a car I'd just bought to which I was thinking of adding a little BD with the gas. Once I saw that warning, I elected to err on the side of caution. I have seen that warning in at least 4 owner's manuals from different auto makers. But they were warning about methanol, not methyl esters. On the same basis, it needs oxygen to burn the fuel, will you give it water instead? Water has oxygen in it. I said I don't think, AFAIK: I'm not quite sure what you're saying Gregg, but I don't think methyl esters are a form of methanol any more than water is a form of oxygen. Free methanol in unwashed biodiesel is another matter though. If so, the warning just doesn't apply to biodiesel. As long as it's washed properly. We need a chemist's opinion. Best wishes Keith If the vehicle he was referring to is an older model, then he may not have any problems what so ever. As for use in his lawn mower engine, I love the smell of BD in the morning. Sincerely, Gregg */Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hello Christopher and all Hi: Don't professional race car drivers use methanol in their engines? So why can't it be used in an ordinary car? I'm guessing race car engines should be more sensitive. Anyone care to comment? Best, Christopher I went looking some time back and foun this at a race site. I've seen some other references to parts of it. Seems those racecars have special engines, thoroughly corrosion-proofed, no exposed aluminium, the entire fuel system is internally coated with Teflon and stainless steel, the fuel bladder is made of a special compound, the valve seats are brass, no fuel is left in the engine overnight, the cylinder walls have to be fogged with oil so they won't rust. Turns aluminum to powder... There's this too: http://www.bera1.org/LA-buses.ht! ml Los Angeles Evaluation of Methanol- and Ethanol-Fueled Buses Gregg Davidson wrote: Hi Jim, The * VERY * first thing you need to make sure of when putting biodiesel in your gasoline engine is that the addition of methanol in * ANY * form will not damage your engine. *I strongly suggest* * you read your owners manual *. I'm not quite sure what you're saying Gregg, but I don't think methyl esters are a form of methanol any more than water is a form of oxygen. Free methanol in unwashed biodiesel is another matter though. Best wishes Keith *I recently bought a new vehicle out of couriousity looked at the fuel specs. Use of gasoline, and */* or gasoline-ethanol* *mixtures is allowed, but gasoline-methanol mixtures or the addition of methanol in any way, shape, form, or fashion! can damage or destroy vital engine components.* ** Respectfully, Gregg Davidson ** Thanks Greg, I decided against using it as an additive right now except into an old lawn mower that I have. ( no loss..probably should be in dump anyway) But I did use it in an old Kerosene lamp. I guess its just so cool to see something you made do what its supposed to (quality tests) then to see it burn so clean no smoke at all well thats just cool. I plan on having the ASTM testing done for quality before I use it in my Cumins.I have a long ways to go before I am at that level though. I am still looking for information about white PVC pipe and and how it stands the chemicals. I want to experiment with my venturis as a vacume source and for introduction of Methoxil. Any guidance?? ! * * * * */Keith Addison /* wrote: Hello Jim I had some general question about Biodiesel: 1. I have some PVC Venturis that I thought would work for mixing the Methoxil and oil together. Would it tear up
Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo? And a storage question
I've found it last about a year in a cool dark place - but I don't have much experience storing it. On that point, would I be better off storing wvo or refining it and then storing the bd? Keith Addison wrote: Who is putting about mis- or disinfo that biodiesel has a very short shelf-life? We keep getting enquiries from people who seem to think so. Does the biodiesel have a shelf life? Or: I read somewhere that biodesil has a short shelf life. And so on and on and on. Somewhere, hm. Any ideas where this BS is coming from? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?
I can't seem to find it but, I thought that there WAS a recommendation on JtF to store BD for no long than a given time (I won't give the time frame that my memory serves in case I'm wrong) (the same time frame as for storing petro diesel). No?On 9/8/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is putting about mis- or disinfo that biodiesel has a very shortshelf-life?We keep getting enquiries from people who seem to think so. Does the biodiesel have a shelf life?Or:I read somewhere that biodesil has a short shelf life.And so on and on and on. Somewhere, hm.Any ideas where this BS is coming from? BestKeith AddisonJourney to ForeverKYOTO Pref., Japanhttp://journeytoforever.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem....
F.F., you miss the point. What do you make of wandering blind drunk in a bad neighborhood with psycho packing a .357? ;-) Fritz Friesinger wrote: Eh Mel, than so it's OK if they drowned? F.F, - Original Message - *From:* Mel Riser mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:43 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem Only time in my entire life I was Almost mugged was in New Orleans. I'm from North La. /Ruston/La Tech area with relatives in NO. We had gone done there when I was about 20 years ago for some wild boy partying on bourbon street. On the way back to our truck, we got lost in the alleys and bumped in to the wrong people at 4 am If the .357 hadn't appeared from under the coat of one of the guys running with us that night, we would have all been robbed and fleeced, maybe knifed or hurt And we had NO IDEA he was packing that thing the whole evening. Kinda glad he did/was though we didn’t hang with him a whole lot more later as well... Psycho as well Stories, stories New Orleans LA is/was one of the most corrupted/crime and Drug infested places on this continent. ALL the cops are bad and drug barons in bed Remember the Grateful Dead Song about being busted in New Orleans? Setup like a bowling pin. The folks from the north are NOTHING like the south and the inner city New Orleans population is what you have seen on TeeVee -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 9/6/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality
mardi gras--a days-long orgy of drunken debauchery and sexual disinhibition As long as they are grownups, don't hurt anyone and don't break the law, what business is it of ours? Let he who is free from sin cast the first stone. Didn't our president have a few years of drunken debauchery? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, hi, taryn. I'm surprised to see you take these positions you've often disparaged corporate and government abuse of power indeed i have. and spoken up for the underdogs. as i did with my earlier post to this thread. duncan is not an american but he summed up the meaning quite well (though based on his further comments i'm not sure whether he understood my voice either--see my post immediately preceding this one). Duncan wrote: It seems that you agree that Katrina and what happened during and after are caused by inequalities, but inequalities that are deeper than income. Inequalities that divide a nation to such an extent that one group can call itself American and the other not. of course, i was simplifying things a teeny bit in the interest of brevity and succinctness. for some, for example, the simple fact of mardi gras--a days-long orgy of drunken debauchery and sexual disinhibition--would be reason enough to let the city sink into the gulf. of course, many who think that way already think in the way i described earlier in this thread. anyway, sorry for any misunderstanding. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] National Geographic on New Orleans
It's well know our Fearless Leader doesn't like to read. Sam Critchley wrote: Hi, A friend sent me this link to a National Geographic article from October 2004, predicting what might happen should a hurricane strike the city: http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/ Spooky stuff. Thanks, Sam ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. vs. Canada (was Iran's Nuclear Program)
Another reason to vote for me - I will declare perpetual peace on Canada! -Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think the u.s. govt will feel it has no choice but to invade canada once the draft gets reinstated. a haven for draft dodgers must not be allowed (yet another aspect of the counter-counter-culture hysteria which has characterized the reagan era). -chris b. In a message dated Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:40:26, Darryl McMahon writes: The growing number of disputes where the U.S. is choosing which legal decisions it will respect (in their favour) and ignore (inconvenient), e.g. fisheries, softwood, Devil's lake, can be taken as an indication of U.S. willingness to invoke gunboat diplomacy at their discretion, even with their friends. I don't think the U.S. military will lack for resources to invade northward once the C-in-C gives the order. Darryl McMahon Doug ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Would you be willing to be shot or hanged first? Given the typical methods of authoritarian governments, that's the crucial question. In 1812 coercion was not necessary; propaganda alone sufficed. The American immigrants who made up most of the population of the Niagara peninsula found it hard to take the war seriously, until the American militia started burning and looting. By the end of the war the Niagara frontier was a burned-out desert on both sides. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Mike Weaver wrote: In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine???
I run a Changfa (Yanmar knockoff) on homebrew (triple-washed) and it's fine. Karn Intania wrote: Hi Malcolm, The shake test that you said is used proportion between water and BD 1:1 or 2:1, also, I plan to use my BD with a 125hp 1996-yanmar diesel engine for water pumping. Hi Michael, Keith, I did not do both test you said. however, I will figure it out what I gonna do with the said-test methods. Hi Mike, It is clear and has some soap(very little). I measure pH with litmus paper in the third wash. Thanks all regards, Karn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?
I thought (gulp) that I read here that one could count on about a year for BD storage. Dino perhaps a bit longer. I think people are confusing the statement (again, apocryphal) that BD breaks down faster than sugar *in the open air* Ken Dunn wrote: I can't seem to find it but, I thought that there WAS a recommendation on JtF to store BD for no long than a given time (I won't give the time frame that my memory serves in case I'm wrong) (the same time frame as for storing petro diesel). No? On 9/8/05, *Keith Addison* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is putting about mis- or disinfo that biodiesel has a very short shelf-life? We keep getting enquiries from people who seem to think so. Does the biodiesel have a shelf life? Or: I read somewhere that biodesil has a short shelf life. And so on and on and on. Somewhere, hm. Any ideas where this BS is coming from? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
The Minotaur? Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Canada's secret biological weapon WAS Iran's Nuclear Program
Well as everybody knows the government of Canada is actively supporting biological and genetics research. Apparently they want Canada to be a world leader in biotech but this is really just a front for a covert military program called operation Beaver Fever. Canada's seemingly blithe willingness to forgo nukes was really a strategic move to gain trust and avoid scrutiny while behind the scenes progress on the new weapon of massive destruction accelerated. The lack of military spending was part of the smoke screen and makes perfect sense when it is realized that it is completely unnecessary to have conventional forces when such a terrible and loathesome weapon is at your disposal. This plan dovetailed with the parallel research track in cloning and transgenics to mass produce a weapon so terrible that even it's proponents quake in fear when considering the possibility that the weapon could one day fall into the wrong hands. Taking a hint from local farmers who are able to grow turkeys to massive proportions by a combination of drugs and ground up cows, scientists set to work on genetically engineering a variant of the nefarious rodent already renown for it's great capacity for destruction in the forests of the Great White North. The result is said to be more viscious than the creature depicted in the Monty Python's The Holy Grail and it is whispered that it is refered to by operatives as "The Bushwhacker" but it's official name is the DeHaviland Turbobeaver. By transplanting the magnetic compass gene from the Canada Goose into the rodent brain and programming it to migrate south losses due to gnawing 'friendlies' is expected to be virtually nonexistent. Research into spontaneous human combustion has also enabled the scientists to install a latent capability into the animals to act as incindiary devices when they get close to washington so that the hugely successful tactic of burning the Whitehouse which was used to such great effect when Canadian troops defeated America in 1812 (or was it? -well one of the many times we defeated them anyways) can be used once again by remote control while the 'troops' prepare for vacation and celebration in Cuba on all the money saved by not buying US made military hardware. I understand that plans are already afoot so that once Canada takes over in it's new role as world superpower/police international law will quickly be updated to ensure that all products being sold or traded will have to be made from softwood and it will be illegal for Texas to fly the lone star. French and english will become THE official language, Michael Jackson will be incarcerated and Michael Moore will be knighted. Noam Chomsky will recieve the Nobel Prize and Hockey Night in Canada (with only the original six) will play 24/7 on every TV channel on the federal networks with reruns of the Canada-Russia series evey weekend. Tom Cruise will not be able to save the day at the eleventh hour but may be allowed to wear platform shoes if he is on his best behaviour and stops spouting off about scientology. So be forewarned neighbor you have but one chance to move north and join us before the first wave is released and it is too late! I am letting you know because you seem to be a good bunch of people on this list. Save yourselves from a horrible fate. Joe John I wrote: In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. I have identified a few waves in the nefarious Canadian assault on the US: Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavine, Shania Twain and the like. Oh it's on Canada, it's on! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Canada's secret biological weapon WAS Iran's Nuclear Program
That's all ok with me but what about As it Happens? Will it replace Fox news? Joe Street wrote: Well as everybody knows the government of Canada is actively supporting biological and genetics research. Apparently they want Canada to be a world leader in biotech but this is really just a front for a covert military program called operation Beaver Fever. Canada's seemingly blithe willingness to forgo nukes was really a strategic move to gain trust and avoid scrutiny while behind the scenes progress on the new weapon of massive destruction accelerated. The lack of military spending was part of the smoke screen and makes perfect sense when it is realized that it is completely unnecessary to have conventional forces when such a terrible and loathesome weapon is at your disposal. This plan dovetailed with the parallel research track in cloning and transgenics to mass produce a weapon so terrible that even it's proponents quake in fear when considering the possibility that the weapon could one day fall into the wrong hands. Taking a hint from local farmers who are able to grow turkeys to massive proportions by a combination of drugs and ground up cows, scientists set to work on genetically engineering a variant of the nefarious rodent already renown for it's great capacity for destruction in the forests of the Great White North. The result is said to be more viscious than the creature depicted in the Monty Python's The Holy Grail and it is whispered that it is refered to by operatives as The Bushwhacker but it's official name is the DeHaviland Turbobeaver. By transplanting the magnetic compass gene from the Canada Goose into the rodent brain and programming it to migrate south losses due to gnawing 'friendlies' is expected to be virtually nonexistent. Research into spontaneous human combustion has also enabled the scientists to install a latent capability into the animals to act as incindiary devices when they get close to washington so that the hugely successful tactic of burning the Whitehouse which was used to such great effect when Canadian troops defeated America in 1812 (or was it? -well one of the many times we defeated them anyways) can be used once again by remote control while the 'troops' prepare for vacation and celebration in Cuba on all the money saved by not buying US made military hardware. I understand that plans are already afoot so that once Canada takes over in it's new role as world superpower/police international law will quickly be updated to ensure that all products being sold or traded will have to be made from softwood and it will be illegal for Texas to fly the lone star. French and english will become THE official language, Michael Jackson will be incarcerated and Michael Moore will be knighted. Noam Chomsky will recieve the Nobel Prize and Hockey Night in Canada (with only the original six) will play 24/7 on every TV channel on the federal networks with reruns of the Canada-Russia series evey weekend. Tom Cruise will not be able to save the day at the eleventh hour but may be allowed to wear platform shoes if he is on his best behaviour and stops spouting off about scientology. So be forewarned neighbor you have but one chance to move north and join us before the first wave is released and it is too late! I am letting you know because you seem to be a good bunch of people on this list. Save yourselves from a horrible fate. Joe John I wrote: In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. I have identified a few waves in the nefarious Canadian assault on the US: Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavine, Shania Twain and the like. Oh it's on Canada, it's on! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
No, he had a little contracting job there. Built a fancy house for some guy. Minos I think. KirkMike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Minotaur?Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little "youthful indiscetion" I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos. Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
Castro: U.S. hasn't responded to Katrina offer From Lucia Newman CNN Monday, September 5, 2005; Posted: 11:48 a.m. EDT (15:48 GMT) HAVANA, Cuba (CNN) -- Cuban President Fidel Castro told more than 1,500 doctors Sunday night that American officials had made absolutely no response to his offer to send them to the U.S. Gulf Coast to help victims of Hurricane Katrina. Castro, a longtime adversary of the United States, initially offered to send 1,100 doctors and at least 26 tons of supplies and equipment, but the Communist leader announced Sunday during a televised speech that he had increased the number of physicians to 1,586. Each doctor would carry about 27 pounds of medicine. You could all be there right now lending your services, but 48 hours have passed since we made this offer, and we have received absolutely no response, Castro said at Havana's Palace of the Revolution. We continue to wait patiently for a response. In the meantime, all of you will be taking intensive courses in immunology and also something that I should be doing -- an intensive brush-up course in English. Besides Cuba, several other countries and international agencies have offered money and supplies to the hurricane victims. (Full story) In the past, Cuba has refused U.S. offers of aid, the most recent following Hurricane Dennis. That storm killed more than 10 people in the Caribbean island nation in July. At that time, Castro said he would not accept help from Washington because of the U.S. trade embargo against his country. The United States has no diplomatic relations with Cuba. Castro has named the Cuban rescue team the Henry Reeve Brigade in honor of an American who fought with Cuba's rebel forces during the Cuban War of Independence against Spain that began in 1895. The doctors who have been mobilized went to South Asia after the December tsunami and have worked in other disasters. Find this article at: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/09/05/katrina.cuba/index.html I guess George Bush is ignoring Fidel Castro, much like Mike Weaver was ignoring Kieth Addison (or was it the other way around?). Perhaps the Cuban doctors should brush up on English phrases like, Don't shoot, I am not a spy!, Yes, this medicine is legal (wink,wink). and Insurance, you don't need no stinking insurance. Earl Kinsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe -- Check out my latest blogs at http://KinsleyForPrez08.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 51 'soldiers' with a capital 's'? nice touch. so, these doctors castro has offered to send, since they were at one point in their youth soldiers by virtue of universal conscription, they are condemned to be forever regarded as such? i guess that means that all cuban immigrants since 1959 should be regarded with suspicion. best round them up and cart them off to gitmo posthaste. -chris b. In a message dated 9/6/05 Juan Gutierrez writes: See I thought you guys had some idea. In Cuba all 18 year olds go to military trainning before thats women and men before they get put in the career choice of the government. Including Doctor's and Scientists. From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 08:11:37 -0500 When did he offer soldiers? this article is about 1100 doctors. Oh, you're joking? I take it then that you think Castro is insincere? Juan Gutierrez wrote: He such a nice guy he wants to send 1100 fully specially trained Soldiers to this country ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Shooting Down the Breeze
The percentage in solution is very pressure sensitive and champagne is hardy a pneumatic source. If all the gas were sequestered I think you would get premature cessation of fermentation as it would get too acid. Kirk[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm. you could be right, kirk, but i must say that i've done some home brewing of wine and don't recall ever reading anything about having to pay attention to ph for high yeast productivity. there's also the question of pressure, though. nevertheless, if this only slows the yeast down, there's no reason such a scheme wouldn't work so long as the slower ethanol generation weren't prohibitive. even if it were, a modified arrangement might still work whereby the pressurized co2 were obtained in a way similar to champagne making.-chris b.In a message dated Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:42:04, Kirk McLoren writes:CO2 readily goes into solution and thereby changes pH.I think the yeast would be inhibited as pH dropped. KirkManick Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:May I moot an unconventional source of power: It is my firm belief thatCO2 from ethanol fermentation process can be compressed on its own withoutcompressors and without damage to the bugs and drive turbines for electricpower.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem....
I CLARIFY The folks from NORTH Louisiana are nothing like the folks from South LA I wasn't talking about any Yankees or northerners like from Arkansas or Michigan mel -Original Message- From: Mel Riser Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 2:44 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem Only time in my entire life I was Almost mugged was in New Orleans. I'm from North La. /Ruston/La Tech area with relatives in NO. We had gone done there when I was about 20 years ago for some wild boy partying on bourbon street. On the way back to our truck, we got lost in the alleys and bumped in to the wrong people at 4 am If the .357 hadn't appeared from under the coat of one of the guys running with us that night, we would have all been robbed and fleeced, maybe knifed or hurt And we had NO IDEA he was packing that thing the whole evening. Kinda glad he did/was though we didn’t hang with him a whole lot more later as well... Psycho as well Stories, stories New Orleans LA is/was one of the most corrupted/crime and Drug infested places on this continent. ALL the cops are bad and drug barons in bed Remember the Grateful Dead Song about being busted in New Orleans? Setup like a bowling pin. The folks from the north are NOTHING like the south and the inner city New Orleans population is what you have seen on TeeVee -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 9/6/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 9/6/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/92 - Release Date: 9/7/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem....
That's not what I SAID I am on the Search and Rescue team here, been helping refugees for days, but keeping my SAR team here for the next hurricane which will probably hit south Texas. And they knew about the levees. They know what happens when it floods. I grew up there. ANYBODY with any sense has a boat or a canoe or SOMETHING to deal with flood waters. Is it OK if they are STUPID Yes it is OK by me mel -Original Message- From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:08 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem F.F., you miss the point. What do you make of wandering blind drunk in a bad neighborhood with psycho packing a .357? ;-) Fritz Friesinger wrote: Eh Mel, than so it's OK if they drowned? F.F, - Original Message - *From:* Mel Riser mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:43 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem Only time in my entire life I was Almost mugged was in New Orleans. I'm from North La. /Ruston/La Tech area with relatives in NO. We had gone done there when I was about 20 years ago for some wild boy partying on bourbon street. On the way back to our truck, we got lost in the alleys and bumped in to the wrong people at 4 am If the .357 hadn't appeared from under the coat of one of the guys running with us that night, we would have all been robbed and fleeced, maybe knifed or hurt And we had NO IDEA he was packing that thing the whole evening. Kinda glad he did/was though we didn’t hang with him a whole lot more later as well... Psycho as well Stories, stories New Orleans LA is/was one of the most corrupted/crime and Drug infested places on this continent. ALL the cops are bad and drug barons in bed Remember the Grateful Dead Song about being busted in New Orleans? Setup like a bowling pin. The folks from the north are NOTHING like the south and the inner city New Orleans population is what you have seen on TeeVee -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 9/6/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists. org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ --- - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/92 - Release Date: 9/7/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/92 - Release Date: 9/7/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem....
Found out later he became a cop. Great more psychos carrying weapons covertly Mel Who wasn't born here in Austin but got here as Fast as he could. Who is from Louisiana, where they hand you your fishing rod and shotgun when you step out of the womb :) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/92 - Release Date: 9/7/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
I am from Crete also. I go for a walk to knossos almost everyday, nice to hear about this... Stelios Terzakis The real Cretan... Αρχικό μήνυμα από Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Minotaur? Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fox Reports - Pat Robertson's Charity is One of Three On FEMA's Press Release
...nice I've been strugglingto keep up with the posts. So, if this was already mentioned...my apologies. Mike Fox Reports - Pat Robertson's Charity is One of Three On FEMA's Press Release [snip] Male Reporter: FEMA has 3 charities listed on their press release that they sent out. Brown: Ahuh. Male Reporter: One of them is Operation Blessings. Can you tell me why that charity is on the list? And, who put it there? Brown: I'm sure the staff (Comment: Who specifically?) did and it's there because they offered to help and they're doing good work. (Comment: You know this for a fact?) Male Reporter: Operation Blessings is a Pat Robertson organization. Should that be there? Brown: If they're willing to work, if they're willing to help we're not turning help away, we're not turning help away from anybody. (Comment: Is that correct? Did we accept the over 1,000 doctors that Cuba offered to send?) [snip] more: http://www.newshounds.us/2005/09/07/fox_reports_pat_robertsons_charity_is_one_of_three_on_femas_press_release.php#more ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fox Reports - Pat Robertson's Charity is One of Three On FEMA's Press Release
The Cubans would probably just be assassinated anyway... Michael Redler wrote: ...nice I've been struggling to keep up with the posts. So, if this was already mentioned...my apologies. Mike *Fox Reports - Pat Robertson's Charity is One of Three On FEMA's Press Release* [snip] Male Reporter: FEMA has 3 charities listed on their press release that they sent out. Brown: Ahuh. Male Reporter: One of them is Operation Blessings. Can you tell me why that charity is on the list? And, who put it there? Brown: I'm sure the staff (Comment: Who specifically?) did and it's there because they offered to help and they're doing good work. (Comment: You know this for a fact?) Male Reporter: Operation Blessings is a Pat Robertson organization. Should that be there? Brown: If they're willing to work, if they're willing to help we're not turning help away, we're not turning help away from anybody. (Comment: Is that correct? Did we accept the over 1,000 doctors that Cuba offered to send?) [snip] /more: / http://www.newshounds.us/2005/09/07/fox_reports_pat_robertsons_charity_is_one_of_three_on_femas_press_release.php#more ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?
Hard to believe, but the following is not a joke, but an acutal conversation reported today by Minority Leader of the House, Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi said, I told Bush he should fire Brown as head of FEMA. Bush answered, Why should I do that? Pelosi responded, Because of all that went wrong last week. Bush answered, What didn't go right? A tragic reminder of how insulated the spin masters keep GW from the real world. His mother admitted in an interview that he doesn't read the news. When he was asked where he gets his news, he said he didn't need to read it because he gets it from the best possible source, his own staff. People who have left the administration admit that even cabinet members are not allowed to directly contact GW with memos, email or phone calls. The only time they can talk to him is in cabinet meetings. This man has been given by a spineless Congress the power to wage preemptive wars, to slash funding for disaster preparation, to enable giant corporations to increase control of agriculture worldwide, and to ignore disastrous impacts of global warming. When ingnorance of facts becomes the hallmark of a man with such powers, our world is in major trouble. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality
Hi all, Ok, I think I've finally caught up here. Chris, in your first post of this thread you were quoting those americans (excluding yourself?) who believe that the blacks of New Orleans are enemies of the state, morally equivalent to the 9-11 bombers? Then in your next post you said that believing this requires Orwellian triple-thinking, basically lying to oneself? And your comments about Mardi Gras in the third post were again quoting the same sort of triple-thinking hypocrites as the first? I agree, this is first class hypocrisy, especially from people who think that invading sovereign states and wounding or killing many thousands of people, is morally justifiable, but a few days of drunken debauchery by consenting adults, isn't. I must say your position was quite obscure from the posts. Duncan, you wondered about triple-think, an extension of a process commonly known as doublethink, first discussed in George Orwell's 1984. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink Doublethink means, according to George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four: the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth. (pages 35, 176-177) Of course our current administration finds doublethink too limiting, thus triplethink. Paul Krugman has been writing about the ugly side effects of extreme income inequality for years, here's some of it: http://faculty.pnc.edu/arw/gbg344/For%20Richer.htm http://www.pkarchive.org/economy/therich.html On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:17 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: mardi gras--a days-long orgy of drunken debauchery and sexual disinhibition As long as they are grownups, don't hurt anyone and don't break the law, what business is it of ours? Let he who is free from sin cast the first stone. Didn't our president have a few years of drunken debauchery? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, hi, taryn. I'm surprised to see you take these positions you've often disparaged corporate and government abuse of power indeed i have. and spoken up for the underdogs. as i did with my earlier post to this thread. duncan is not an american but he summed up the meaning quite well (though based on his further comments i'm not sure whether he understood my voice either--see my post immediately preceding this one). Duncan wrote: It seems that you agree that Katrina and what happened during and after are caused by inequalities, but inequalities that are deeper than income. Inequalities that divide a nation to such an extent that one group can call itself American and the other not. of course, i was simplifying things a teeny bit in the interest of brevity and succinctness. for some, for example, the simple fact of mardi gras--a days-long orgy of drunken debauchery and sexual disinhibition--would be reason enough to let the city sink into the gulf. of course, many who think that way already think in the way i described earlier in this thread. anyway, sorry for any misunderstanding. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
That's what I want - a contracting gig in Crete. I get sent to Lagos and Conakry Kirk McLoren wrote: No, he had a little contracting job there. Built a fancy house for some guy. Minos I think. Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: The Minotaur? Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver /* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos . Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
I would love to go to Crete - do you have any networks you need fixing? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am from Crete also. I go for a walk to knossos almost everyday, nice to hear about this... Stelios Terzakis The real Cretan... Αρχικό μήνυμα από Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Minotaur? Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Violence mayhem....
Its really simple. Americans are sheltered, you know this kinda thing doesnt happen to me. How can you expect such a people to respond? As for gun control, the less of it the better. Jeromie Doug Foskey wrote: I am really sorry that New Orleans had to go through the devastation of Katrina. However I have to compare how the people of Asia handled the ravages of the Tsunami compared to the anarchy of the population of New Orleans. One picture I carry from New Orleans is of the violence shootings. I think it is time that the Americans gained some common sense, got control of the gun situation. I am amazed at the stoicism of the Asians in the aftermath of the Tsunami, and the comparison in my eyes to the current events leaves me horrified. regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] National Geographic on New Orleans
Just wondering how people could actually be suprised by anything that's happened in New Orleans? I've been reading articles and studies for a few years at least on how the city would be screwed if a hurricaine hit it. And we already did some experiments in Iraq on what happens to the social order of a city if you completely destroy the infrastructure and government when there are deep rooted underlying societal tensions. Yes, it's a tragedy, but why is anyone shocked? No wonder people think that the possible costs of global warming are too low to bother trying to do anything to avoid it. They must see global warming as just a hot day, rather than crop failure, climatoligical shifts and droughts, more intense storms, etc Zeke On 9/8/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's well know our Fearless Leader doesn't like to read. Sam Critchley wrote: Hi, A friend sent me this link to a National Geographic article from October 2004, predicting what might happen should a hurricane strike the city: http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/ Spooky stuff. Thanks, Sam ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fox Reports - Pat Robertson's Charity is One of Three On FEMA's Press Release
You're right Mike!! Imagine, the 700 club declaring war on Cuba over charity competition! Mike Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Cubans would probably just be assassinated anyway...Michael Redler wrote: ...nice I've been struggling to keep up with the posts. So, if this was already mentioned...my apologies. Mike *Fox Reports - Pat Robertson's Charity is One of Three On FEMA's Press Release* [snip] Male Reporter: FEMA has 3 charities listed on their press release that they sent out. Brown: Ahuh. Male Reporter: One of them is Operation Blessings. Can you tell me why that charity is on the list? And, who put it there? Brown: I'm sure the staff (Comment: Who specifically?) did and it's there because they offered to help and they're doing good work. (Comment: You know this for a fact?) Male Reporter: Operation Blessings is a Pat Robertson organization. Should that be there? Brown: If they're willing to work, if they're willing to help we're not turning help away, we're not turning help away from anybody. (Comment: Is that correct? Did we accept the over 1,000 doctors that Cuba offered to send?) [snip] /more: / http://www.newshounds.us/2005/09/07/fox_reports_pat_robertsons_charity_is_one_of_three_on_femas_press_release.php#more___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Saving Oil in a Hurry: Measures for Rapid Demand Restraint in Transport
Saving Oil in a Hurry - draft report, free online (or pay the IEA 60 Euros for the official pdf) 744 kb http://www.stcwa.org.au/journal/210405/files/background_IEA.pdf http://www.stcwa.org.au/journal/210405/995660_30077.html Sustainable Transport Coalition Saving Oil in a Hurry: Measures for Rapid Demand Restraint in Transport This draft report below prepared by the International Energy Agency in February 2005 is very important. It provides a new, quantitative assessment of the potential impacts and costs of oil demand restraint measures in transport, under the conditions of a supply disruption or other oil-related emergency. In short, there appear to be opportunities to achieve substantial reductions in transportation oil demand quickly and cheaply - if countries are prepared. --- http://www.iea.org/bookshop/add.aspx?id=197 IEA Publications Bookshop Press Release http://www.iea.org/Textbase/press/pressdetail.asp?PRESS_REL_ID=146 Table of Contents http://www.iea.org/textbase/nptoc/SavingOilTOC.pdf Summary http://www.iea.org/textbase/npsum/SavingOilSUM.pdf 288kb Saving Oil in a Hurry, 168 pages, ISBN 92-64-10941-2 (2005) Type: Studies Subject: Transport ; Oil ; Emergency Preparedness ; Energy Efficiency During 2004, oil prices reached levels unprecedented in recent years. Though world oil markets remain adequately supplied, high oil prices do reflect increasingly uncertain conditions. Many IEA member countries and non-member countries alike are looking for ways to improve their capability to handle market volatility and possible supply disruptions in the future. This book aims to provide assistance. It provides a new, quantitative assessment of the potential oil savings and costs of rapid oil demand restraint measures for transport. Some measures may make sense under any circumstances; others are primarily useful in emergency situations. All can be implemented on short notice - if governments are prepared. The book examines potential approaches for rapid uptake of telecommuting, ecodriving, and car-pooling, among other measures. It also provides methodologies and data that policymakers can use to decide which measures would be best adapted to their national circumstances. This tool box may help countries to complement other measures for coping with supply disruptions, such as use of strategic oil stocks. http://www.iea.org/Textbase/press/pressdetail.asp?PRESS_REL_ID=146 IEA Press Releases (05)07 IEA Press Release: Saving Oil in a Hurry 4/28/2005 Paris --- Today the IEA has issued a new analysis of measures that governments can use to save oil in a hurry. There are many possible reasons why governments might want to save oil quickly; an obvious one is to cope with oil supply disruptions. Our study shows that a number of measures could provide substantial reductions in transport oil use quickly and cheaply - if countries are well-prepared and act aggressively during an emergency, said Claude Mandil, the Executive Director of the International Energy Agency (IEA) at the launch of Saving Oil in a Hurry. This book provides an assessment of the potential oil savings and implementation costs of rapid oil demand restraint measures for transport. This tool box of measures includes new approaches towards telecommuting, car-pooling, transit use and ecodriving (fuel efficient driving styles), among other measures. If implemented by many IEA countries, certain combinations of measures could reduce world oil demand by a significant amount - on the order of a million barrels per day or more. Such actions could be used to complement supply-side measures (such as use of strategic oil stocks) to help countries cope with oil supply disruptions, and avoid physical shortages and associated price spikes. Some of the assessed measures may make sense for many situations, others primarily during emergencies; all can be implemented quickly - if governments are prepared. These measures are by no means a substitute for careful transportation planning, promoting efficiency improvements and other medium-term and long-term strategies. Perhaps most importantly, this book is intended to raise awareness that transport demand response is an important aspect in dealing with supply disruptions, apart from oil supply management. Oil demand in transport is indeed very inelastic in the short run. But the measures outlined can help to change that, by giving travellers more options for coping, and giving countries an important tool for lowering the duration and costs of petroleum supply disruptions. Public Information Office: (+33) 1 40 57 65 50 ; e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
The Minotaur? MISTer Weaver! This is an unminotaured list, IF you please! And long may it remain so. Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Just as long as you didn't inhale. Mike of Knossos You're not going to put that on your campaign posters are you? Is it in Texas? Anyway, you're welcome, I'm glad you're happy there. Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
I am from Crete also. I go for a walk to knossos almost everyday, nice to hear about this... Stelios Terzakis The real Cretan... Hello Stelios I'm glad you're here to set the record straight! Very ancient place you live in. That old guy Epimenides gave the Cretans a bad press just to make a point, you sure don't owe him any favours. He was a Cretan philosopher and he said: All Cretans are liars. It's 2600 years later and they still haven't decided whether he was lying or not! Anyway, Mike's lawyer has just been explaining to me that Mike didn't tell me he was ignoring me, he told Hakan he was ignoring me, and he told me he was ignoring Hakan, not a paradox at all. I think I'll vote for the lawyer. Best wishes Keith Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Minotaur? Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Ending Government Regulation By Manufacturing Doubt - Part 2
Rachel's #825: Ending Regulation, Pt. 2 See: Ending Regulation, Pt. 1 http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-September/004087.html Or: http://snipurl.com/hj7l [Biofuel] Ending Government Regulation By Manufacturing Doubt - Part 1 ^ ^ RACHEL'S ENVIRONMENT HEALTH NEWS #825 http://www.rachel.org http://www.rachel.org September 1, 2005 ^ ^ Part 2: Ending Government Regulation By Manufacturing Doubt By Peter Montague Continuing from Rachel's #824: Smokers started calling cigarettes coffin nails in the 1920s. Almost 40 years later, science caught up to popular knowledge: In 1956, the U.S. Surgeon General concluded cigarettes cause lung cancer. To prevent regulation of cigarettes, tobacco corporations adopted a strategy of casting doubt on the scientific studies showing harm. Today it is no secret that many industrial chemicals are killing tens of thousands of workers and ordinary citizens each year, making many more sick, altering the sexual behavior of wildlife, and generally wreaking havoc with human health and the natural environment. In response, the chemical industry has honed and sharpened the manufacture doubt strategy, essentially paralyzing the U.S. regulatory system. The Data Quality Act In December, 2000, a two-sentence law called the Data Quality Act was slipped into the 712-page government spending bill, without benefit of public hearings or Congressional debate. The law was written by James J. Tozzi, a consultant to the tobacco and chemical industries,[http://www.precaution.org/lib/05/epa_asbestos_warning_und er_attack.20031026.htm1] and he says it was intended to regulate the regulators.[http://www.precaution.org/lib/05/fed_data_quality_act_a_ nightmare.20031223.htm2] President Clinton signed it into law, and it took effect in October 2002. On its face, the Data Quality Act appears to serve a worthy purpose: it requires government to set standards for the quality of scientific information and statistics used and disseminated by government. It requires government to create procedures ensuring and maximizing the quality, objectivity, utility and integrity of scientific information and data. Surely, good data is a goal everyone can support. However the business community recognizes the real importance of the Data Quality Act, which is to give industry an unlimited license to cast doubt on the integrity of government data, and thereby paralyze regulation indefinitely. This is the biggest sleeper there is in the regulatory area and will have an impact so far beyond anything people can imagine, says William L. Kovacs, vice president for environment, technology, and regulatory affairs of the United States Chamber of Commerce.[http://www.precaution.org/lib/05/data_quality_act.020321.ht m3] The Data Quality Act is overseen by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), a political agency whose directors are appointed by the White House. As the law has evolved, it has increasingly politicized science within the federal government because every agency of government must now develop procedures and definitions of science that satisfy OMB guidelines. OMB now has a powerful role in distinguishing sound science from junk science. In the case of atrazine, the second-most popular weed-killer in the U.S., the industry argued that, under the Data Quality Act, EPA (U.S. Environmental Protection Agency) had no right to regulate atrazine as a hormone-disrupting chemical because EPA had not defined a single procedure for determining hormone disruption, and therefore studies of hormone disruption are not reproducible, and therefore not reliable, as required by the Data Quality Act. In the old days scientists knew what reproducible meant -- it meant that an experiment's design and methods had to be described in sufficient detail to allow another scientist to reproduce the experiment. It never meant that everyone had to agree that there was only one way to study a problem. But the Data Quality Act seems to have changed that because EPA accepted the atrazine industry's argument and concluded that endocrine [hormone] disruption cannot be considered a legitimate regulatory endpoint at this time -- meaning chemicals cannot be regulated in the U.S. just because they turn boys into girls. After a ten-year regulatory battle, atrazine was allowed to remain on the market, and industry had gained a powerful new way of undercutting all future regulations. But the power of the Data Quality Act does not stop there. Using the Data Quality Act, OMB has now established an unprecedented government-wide peer review system for all data that might be used to support a regulation. The fact that a study has appeared in a peer-reviewed journal is no longer
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
I've always wanted to go there. I had an uncle in the RAF that had nice things to say about it. I haven't been to Greece either. Hitch hiked around northern Italy when I was younger. Really enjoyed my experiences in Europe. All that was 40 years ago though. I'm sure there has been a lot of change just as there has been a lot of change here in the US. If money was no object I would spend the remainder of my life traveling. So much to see and do. Kirk[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am from Crete also.I go for a walk to knossos almost everyday, nice to hear about this...Stelios TerzakisThe real Cretan...Áñ÷éêü ìÞíõìá áðü Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: The Minotaur? Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once.--Kirk */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little "youthful indiscetion" I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
Lagos -- now there's a prize. I worked with a guy that was a Hausa. Nice guy actually. Warm hearted. He used to tell me stories about Nigeria. Some things just leave you shaking your head. 1st prize a day in Lagos. 2nd prize a week in Lagos. Really makes you appreciate the scoundrels we have at home. KirkMike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I want - a contracting gig in Crete. I get sent to Lagos and ConakryKirk McLoren wrote: No, he had a little contracting job there. Built a fancy house for some guy. Minos I think. Kirk */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: The Minotaur? Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver /* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little "youthful indiscetion" I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos . Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
John I wrote: I have identified a few waves in the nefarious Canadian assault on the US: Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavine, Shania Twain and the like. Oh it's on Canada, it's on! I guess you didn't hear about the Newfies who phoned up the White House to declare war. When the staffers told them the immese size of the U.S. military, the Newfies backed off, claiming they had no room to house so many prisoners . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
I could tell a few interesting stories myself... Kirk McLoren wrote: Lagos -- now there's a prize. I worked with a guy that was a Hausa. Nice guy actually. Warm hearted. He used to tell me stories about Nigeria. Some things just leave you shaking your head. 1st prize a day in Lagos. 2nd prize a week in Lagos. Really makes you appreciate the scoundrels we have at home. Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: That's what I want - a contracting gig in Crete. I get sent to Lagos and Conakry Kirk McLoren wrote: No, he had a little contracting job there. Built a fancy house for some guy. Minos I think. Kirk */Mike Weaver /* wrote: The Minotaur? Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver /* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos . Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
Sorry, those pesky list serv regs again! Besides, it's in the archives! Keith Addison wrote: The Minotaur? MISTer Weaver! This is an unminotaured list, IF you please! And long may it remain so. Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Just as long as you didn't inhale. Mike of Knossos You're not going to put that on your campaign posters are you? Is it in Texas? Anyway, you're welcome, I'm glad you're happy there. Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am from Crete also. I go for a walk to knossos almost everyday, nice to hear about this... Stelios Terzakis The real Cretan... So I looked it up in the dictionary, and there _are_ 2 spellings for this. With completely different meanings and origins. I thought Mike was being called a cretin: Pronunciation: 'krE-t^ n Function: /noun/ Etymology: French /crétin, /from French dialect /cretin, /literally, wretch, innocent victim, from Latin /christianus /Christian *1* *:* one afflicted with cretinism *2* *:* a stupid, vulgar, or insensitive person *: *CLOD, LOUT - cre·tin·ous / -t^ n-s/ adjective When actually the word was Cretan:/ / Pronunciation: 'krEt Variant(s): or Greek Krí·ti /'krE-tE/ Usage: geographical/ /name island Greece in the E Mediterranean capital Iráklion area/ /3189 square/ /miles/ /(8260 square/ kilometers),/ population/ /536,980 - Cre·tan /'krE-t^ n/ adjective or noun/ /shamelessly borrowed from the m-w.com site doug/ /swanson/ / -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Shooting Down the Breeze
hi, kirk. hi, mannick. The percentage in solution is very pressure sensitive and. . . . the percentage of what? yeast? co2? . . .champagne is hardy a pneumatic source. obviously, end-stage co2 generation, by definition, is only going to provide a single shot of pressurized gas per batch. but that is still a fair amount of gas. a 100 gallon batch would roughly equal 400 bottles of champagne. as with so many things, the viability of conserving/converting that energy would be determined by the processing setup and expectations of the processor. If all the gas were sequestered I think you would get premature cessation of fermentation as it would get too acid. again, this seems entirely plausible, but i've never run across such a caution. winemaker's are warned against excess acidity primarily for reasons of palate, but also because of the possibility that it can retard--not totally cease--fermentation. even then, there are ways of neutralizing excess acid (though i must admit i am ignorant of whether this is possible when the acidity is from co2, or whether it would absorb/bond the gas). in any case, it strikes me as a very original notion, mannick. there are technical considerations to be certain, but i would encourage exploring it further. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. vs. Canada (was Iran's Nuclear Program)
mike(s), only if you use different language. promise to wage peace on the canadians, by force if necessary. -chris b. In a message dated Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:22:12, Mike Weaver writes: Another reason to vote for me - I will declare perpetual peace on Canada! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. vs. Canada (was Iran's Nuclear Program)
Oh, I will. And if they don't peacefully give up their oil, why, I'll invade! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike(s), only if you use different language. promise to wage peace on the canadians, by force if necessary. -chris b. In a message dated Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:22:12, Mike Weaver writes: Another reason to vote for me - I will declare perpetual peace on Canada! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. vs. Canada (was Iran's Nuclear Program)
I was visiting friends in Windsor, Ontario last week and realized that these people take their leisure time very seriously. I'm not one to generalize but, I couldn't help but notice thatif your the excitable type and insist that everyone else be a certain way, you might just get a " off- eh". The very worst case scenario is that you really get 'em ticked off about something. A Canadian insurgency ensues!! They'll swarm over the border(or maybe just leave from work in Detroit) in full body armor (except for the old timers who refuse to wear a helmet).You then start hearing reports of people having their shirts pulled over their heads from behind and random body-checking occurs in every major US city and thegovernment will have to spend millions on gigantic penalty boxes to contain them and build huge pipe organs, playing cheerful chants to draw them out. But usually after all is said and done, the only proof that they were therearea pair of gloves that came off in the scuffle. :-) MikeMike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I will. And if they don't peacefully give up their oil, why, I'll invade![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:mike(s),only if you use different language. promise to wage peace on the canadians, by force if necessary.-chris b.In a message dated Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:22:12, Mike Weaver writes: Another reason to vote for me - I will declare perpetual peace on Canada! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bush's Second Gulf Disaster
Bush's Second Gulf Disaster http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050908/bushs_second_gulf_disaster.php Terry Lynn Karl http://www.tompaine.com/search/index.cgi?search=Terry%20Lynn%20KarlIncludeBlogs=1SearchFields=keywordsTemplate=author September 08, 2005 /Terry Lynn Karl http://cddrl.stanford.edu/people/terrylkarl/ is professor of political science at Stanford University./ *President Bush has asked* that Americans not “play politics” at this moment of terrible national disaster. But asking hard questions of our nation’s leaders is exactly what democracy demands when the government’s response to Hurricane Katrina is widely viewed as “a national disgrace.” Katrina came with at least two days’ warning, but authorities waited to issue an evacuation order. There was no transportation for people without cars or money; facilities to house and care for refugees were insufficient; there were no forces in place to deliver desperately needed supplies or to secure order; and there was nowhere near the number of boats, helicopters and other craft necessary to rescue the stranded. Hampered by a National Guard with 40 percent of its people in Iraq, the pace of getting military personnel to the hardest hit areas was inordinately slow. For four days, there was simply no clear center of command and control. As a result, countless people suffered and died. Much of this failure is the result of the Bush administration’s policies, which effectively eroded the capacities of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the government agency primarily responsible for dealing with disasters. Obsessed with the war on terror as well as an ideology of privatizing the functions of government, the administration systematically sapped FEMA’s long-term ability to prevent disaster or at least cushion the blows when prevention is not possible. FEMA was downsized and downgraded from a cabinet position, then placed under the Department of Homeland Security. Its mission of disaster planning and preparation was dropped entirely, and its focus was altered to fight terrorists. Its leadership had no experience in disaster management. The past director was one of Bush’s Texas political cronies, and the current director’s qualifications include a stint as commissioner for judges and stewards with the International Arabian Horse Association, where he was asked to resign for “supervision failures.” Since 2001, billions of dollars were shifted from disaster relief to homeland security and the war in Iraq. Key disaster mitigation programs were slashed, and federal funding for post-disaster relief was cut in half. The Army Corps of Engineers’ budget for levee construction in New Orleans was gutted, including funds specifically aimed at the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project. Preventive measures to protect people and property were not carried out despite FEMA’s own conclusion in 2001 that a major hurricane hitting New Orleans was one of the three “likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country.” Believing FEMA to be an “oversized entitlement program” and that the “business of government is not to provide services,” Bush’s first FEMA director instituted new outsourcing requirements as part of a major privatization effort. This provoked a brain drain as experienced FEMA personnel moved into the private sector. Privatization also left poorer states and poorer communities especially vulnerable. As money dried up and federal programs were contracted out to private firms at higher rates, only the richest and politically most important states and communities could compete successfully for the scarce federal grants necessary to pay for services. For example, Florida (with 16 more electoral votes than Louisiana and where the president’s brother governs) received its requested funding to protect its wetlands. By contrast, a more needy Louisiana (with its staggering 24 percent poverty rate) was denied its request for flood-mitigation funds in 2004. With Louisiana’s ability to protect itself weakened and the center of disaster relief badly undermined, an inadequate government response and unnecessary destruction were almost inevitable—with the poor paying the price. But the failure of this administration runs deeper than its chronic and intentional diversion of resources away from the types of policies that keep people safe from disaster. Despite scientific evidence demonstrating that the increased intensity and frequency of hurricanes is related to climate change, the Bush administration systematically rejects participation in international climate-protection regimes. Rather than continue a ban on wetlands development instituted by previous administrations, the Bush administration overturned it. Because development-provoked erosion has brought the Gulf of Mexico 20 miles closer to land than it was in 1965, hurricanes are able to retain more
[Biofuel] Energy Policy: DOA
Energy Policy: DOA http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050908/energy_policy_doa.php Michael T. Klare http://www.tompaine.com/search/index.cgi?search=Michael%20T.%20KlareIncludeBlogs=1SearchFields=keywordsTemplate=author September 08, 2005 /Michael T. Klare is a professor of peace and world-security studies at Hampshire College, and the author of/ Blood and Oil: The Dangers and Consequences of America's Growing Dependency on Imported Petroleum /(Metropolitan Books, 2004). This article originally appeared in the/ South Florida Sun-Sentinel. *Of the many lessons to be learned* from the effects of Hurricane Katrina, none is perhaps more important over the long run than the obvious need for a new national energy strategy. The existing strategy announced with great fanfare by President Bush in May 2001 has now collapsed. It's been swept away like so many under-strength dikes around New Orleans. As a result, every American will face the pain of suddenly much higher gasoline prices and home heating costs, along with other economic liabilities. As we strive to rebuild New Orleans and other Gulf Coast communities, we must also construct a new energy plan that will better serve our needs. Bush's 2001 plan has one overriding goal: to increase the supply and consumption of petroleum through any means necessary. The goals of this strategy are clear: to ensure a steady supply of affordable energy for America's homes and businesses and industries, Bush intoned on May 17, 2001. To achieve this objective, the administration called for increased oil drilling in the U.S., particularly in the Gulf of Mexico, the only area of the nation believed capable of supplying increased yields in the years ahead (given the anticipated decline in output from most other fields). That the Gulf is a major magnet for hurricanes doesn't appear to have figured in this calculation. To further boost supply, the administration has favored oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska, and increased reliance on imports from the Middle East, Africa and the Caspian Sea basin. So far, Congress has refused to allow drilling on ANWR, so our reliance on imported supplies has continued to soar. Imports now account for nearly 60 percent of our total supply. Because political conditions in many of the producing areas have been consistently turbulent, to say the least, output in these countries has been inadequate to meet global needs, hence the surge in gasoline prices seen before the Gulf Coast devastation. While favoring increased oil drilling at home and greater reliance on imports from abroad, the administration plan has done virtually nothing to promote conservation in energy use by the American people. As Vice President Dick Cheney sneered in a meeting with reporters: Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy. If anything, the administration's plan invited increased profligacy. The disgracefully low fuel-efficiency standards imposed on SUVs and other light trucks were left untouched, and many super gas guzzlers, like the Hummer, were exempted from such standards altogether. Astonishingly, the most recent efficiency standards proposed by the White House announced just one week before Katrina struck will further encourage the production and sale of super guzzlers. As a result of this lack of effort to constrain demand, America's consumption of petroleum has risen steadily during the administration's term in office. It reached a record of 20.7 million barrels per day in early 2005. And this at a time when global oil output has begun to show signs of a protracted slowdown. The causes of this slowdown are many: declining output in many older fields; a failure to discover any large new fields; chronic instability in the Middle East and other key producing regions. But one thing is clear: Nothing can be done, certainly not in the short run, and perhaps never to reverse this decline. There is only one sure way out of this trap: increased energy conservation. And that is precisely the path rejected by the White House. Now, in Katrina's wake, we have to start over. The U.S. needs a new energy strategy that emphasizes conservation and the alternative fuels. As a first step, Congress must impose substantially higher minimum fuel-efficiency requirements for all vehicles, but especially for SUVs and light trucks (which now enjoy much lower requirements than ordinary cars). Other measures, like reduced speed limits and bigger incentives for driving hybrids and using public transit, should also be considered. Most important, we need a long-term strategy that weans us off fossil fuels like oil and natural gas and moves us toward the fuels of the future whether derived from biomass (ethanol), hydrogen or some other potential source. Aside from rebuilding New Orleans
