[Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enough protection?
We're veering between incaution and overcaution. There've been some other messages pooh-poohing safety in general. I'd agree too much safety is dangerous, but so is too little. What's required is *due* caution, which needs good information. Here it is: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#moremeth More about methanol Question: Just how dangerous is methanol? Fact: Methanol is a poisonous chemical that can blind you or kill you, and as well as drinking it you can absorb it through the skin and breathe in the fumes. Question: How much does it take to kill you? Short answer: Anything from five teaspoons to more than half a pint, but nobody really knows. Fact: Human susceptibility to the acute effects of methanol intoxication is extremely variable. The minimum dose of methanol causing permanent visual defects is unknown. The lethal dose of methanol for humans is not known for certain. The minimum lethal dose of methanol in the absence of medical treatment is put at between 0.3 and 1 g/kg. That means it's thought to take at least 20 grams of methanol to kill an average-sized person, or 25 ml, five teaspoonsful. Or it might need more than three times as much, 66 grams, 17 teaspoonsful, or maybe more, and even then it'll only kill you if you can't reach a doctor within a day or two, and maybe it still won't kill you. But it definitely can kill you. If you drink five teaspoonsful of pure methanol you'll need medical treatment even if it doesn't kill you. Yet people have survived doses of 10 times as much -- a quarter of a litre, half a pint -- without any permanent harm. But others haven't survived much lower doses. Getting rapid medical attention is crucial, though the poisoning effects can be slow to develop. Authorities advise that swallowing up to 1.3 grams or 1.7 ml of methanol or inhaling methanol vapour concentrations below 200 ppm should be harmless for most people. No severe effects have been reported in humans of methanol vapour exposures well above 200 ppm. Out of 1,601 methanol poisonings reported in the US in 1987 the death rate was 0.375%, or 1 in 267 cases. It might have been only 1 in more than a thousand cases because most cases weren't reported. Most cases were caused by drinking badly made moonshine, which is a worldwide problem. Fiction: Methanol is ... a very active chemical against which the human body has no means of defence. It is absorbed easily through the skin and there is no means of elimination from the body, so levels of methanol dissolved in the blood accumulate. That's from a British website trying to sell Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO) solvent additives by frightening people with the alleged perils of biodiesel. See The SVO vs biodiesel argument Fact: 30 litres of fruit juice will probably contain up to 20 grams of methanol, near the official minimum lethal dose. Methanol is in the food we eat, in fresh fruit and vegetables, beer and wine, diet drinks, artificial sweeteners. Not only that, methanol occurs naturally in humans. It's a natural component of blood, urine, saliva and the air you breathe out. It's there anyway even if you've never been exposed to chemical methanol or its fumes. Methanol is eliminated from the body as a normal matter of course via the urine and exhaled air and by metabolism. Getting rid of it takes from a few hours for low doses to a day or two for higher doses. Some proportion of a dose of methanol just goes straight through, excreted by the lungs and kidneys unchanged. The normal background-level quantities of methanol in humans are eliminated and replenished all the time as a matter of course. Fiction: It's largely biodiesel's methanol content that's being blamed when the same British SVO website charges that biodiesel is wasteful and environmentally irresponsible. Fact: Methanol is readily biodegradable in the environment under both aerobic and anaerobic conditions (with and without oxygen) in a wide variety of conditions. Generally 80% of methanol in sewage systems is biodegraded within 5 days. Methanol is a normal growth substrate for many soil microorganisms, which completely degrade methanol to carbon dioxide and water. Methanol is of low toxicity to aquatic and terrestrial organisms and it is not bioaccumulated. (It's toxic mainly to humans and monkeys.) Environmental effects due to exposure to methanol are unlikely. Unless released in high concentrations, methanol would not be expected to persist or bioaccumulate in the environment. Low levels of release would not be expected to result in adverse environmental effects. Fiction: A European SVO fuel website using similar anti-biodiesel tactics claims: Biodiesel is a chemically altered plant oil. However the process to chemically change the structure of Pure Plant Oil is a very costly operation and requires a lot of energy, as it removes the glycerine substituting it by methanol as well as adding other
[Biofuel] Waste Plastics into Oil
Excerpts from ISIS Press Release 29/11/05 Waste Plastics into Oil What if the mountains of plastic wastes that blight our landscapes and beaches spewing poisons from incinerators and landfills could be transformed overnight into combustible gas and diesel oil. Dr. Mae-Wan Ho A fully referenced version of this paper is posted on ISIS members website. Details here: (Note: You must be an member to see the fully referenced article, this is their members' page: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/membership.php) As the price of oil and gas soar, alternative energy sources are rapidly becoming cost-effective by comparison. One attractive option that has emerged is diesel oil from waste plastics. Chinese oil refinery used waste plastics The first report of turning plastic wastes into oil came in 2001 from the Peoples Daily, Chinas English language newspaper [1]. An oil refinery in Hunan province had succeeded in processing 30 000 tonnes of plastic wastes into 20 000 tonnes of gasoline and diesel oil that satisfied the provincial standards. Wang Xu, who built the refinery in 1999, started experimenting with waste plastic processing in the 1980s, and later teamed up with Hunan University doctoral tutor Zeng Guangming who gave him scientific advice on decomposing plastic wastes. This may be one reason why China has been importing enormous amounts of plastic wastes (Redemption from the plastic wasteland, this series). See http://www.i-sis.org.uk/WPIO.php for the complete article minus the references. Regards. Vin Lava Manila, Philippines __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] clarification plz, ethanol
Lol this is me being jealous of you. I'm in the US, appalachia really. I think the guys sellin it for a mint b/c we have lots of eco-friendly people and no source. I used petrol to be specific about which fuel I meant in the particular sentence. Were that it was even the same price, or 5-10 cents more, I'd do it... As for my driving style, I just bought a 2004 stratus (the car in question) b/c I couldn't afford a not extremely-used diesel, the cheapest new option here is a Golf TDI that starts around $20k, and they do not exist in the used market. It's much faster than my last car, coasts very very very well. As such, I try to see how little I can touch the gas and the brake, and do everything I can to keep the turns below 2700. :) So far I'm being rewarded w/ surprizingly good mileage. Thanks for the firsthand response though, hopefully he'll get some competition soon. I almost bought a NGV, but then our one NGV station closed... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol
On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:51 PM, Keith Addison wrote: We're veering between incaution and overcaution. There've been some other messages pooh-poohing safety in general. I'd agree too much safety is dangerous, but so is too little. What's required is *due* caution, which needs good information. Thanks again, Keith, for bringing a balanced viewpoint, much as I do like to veer :-). Though hardly a chemophobe, even I would be horrified to take pure methanol internally even in the minutest of quantities. I'm cautious but not paranoid about the occasional whiff of vapor, and less cautious still about absorption through the skin. I wouldn't immerse my hands in it, but a spill or splash vapor- izes almost instantly and has no time to be significantly absorbed. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] neoprene gloves good enough protection?
My only recommendation, based on about 40 yrs in chemistry labs, is eye protective devices. Spills on the body are trivial compared spills in the eye. Ken Provost wrote: On Nov 29, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Kenji James Fuse wrote: What do others use for hand protection from methanol and methoxide? Do neoprene gloves provide adequate enough protection from methanol and methoxide? I realize this is sacrilege, but I don't use ANY PROTECTION! I find the methanol evaporates very quickly from my hands, leaving no ill effects (yet :-)) except a certain chappiness that can be remedied with various OTC preparations (hand lotion). Methoxide solution spilled on the hands has a tendency to produce a slight burning sensation after a couple of minutes that can be neutral- ized instantly with running water. Really. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] clarification plz, ethanol
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Evergreen Solutions wrote: Hi all, I recently found out that a local fuel wholesaler has begun selling E85 to consumers in our small town, and I'm also happy to report that my car is an FFV and capable of running it. However, I *believe* that I read somewhere that ethanol will get you *less* far per gallon than traditional petrol. It's funny. Ethanol is a slightly more efficient fuel in many ways, but it contains less energy per volume unit than does petrol. This is why one has to make allowances for running much leaner. In automotive engines, it's perhaps a bit strange, my very limited experience has been in small engines, and the math is very evident in those cases; Here's a very good write up: http://members.aol.com/pullingtractor/carbfuel.htm Folks think somehow that ethanol has more energy because of it's higher octane (which is kinda a misnomer anyway). But that isn't the case really. Because of it's higher octane one can burn a lot more of it without destroying an engine, meaning one can force a lot more fuel/air through the engine, making it excellent for hot-rodding. My old Saab Sonett LOVES the stuff, but it's too expensive for an every day fuel commercially. On the ethanol site it talks all about 105 octane, etc, but I can't seem to find a good answer. I'm hoping someone will tell me that mpg goes up instead of down, but I'm not holding my breath. Reason? I don't make a lot of money, and this wholesaler is selling his E85 (which is advertized as being partially from waste products) for $2.799 per gallon, while regular petrol is back down to about $2.159. Directly, I can't afford to go less far for more money. This isn't unique to your situation. I think if you poll anyone, regardless of their income they will empirically state that they cannot afford to pay more when they could pay less. I think the old saw goes something to the effect of: The poor have little, Beggars none; The rich too much Enough? not one. -Ben Franklin So much for money, eh? So, in the grand scheme of things. Bio fuels have real fixed costs. This is really true for commercial providers. For good folks who are brewing their own utilizing cast off products like waste vegetable oil, that's a grand thing. But commercial providers are not in that category. They have real costs. Look at the price of virgin soy oil, figure in a 60 percent yeild +transport and storage and rational profit, and you see a much higher price per unit at the pump than dino fuel. Same goes for ethanol. You see, no one, not one, really figure in the cost of the raw material in extractive oil processes. In the most liberal round numbers to avoid potential screaming matches, Folks best guess is that it took around 500 million years to sequester the carbon currently found in our fuel oils . Good ole crude as it were. But the most hopeful numbers one can find, we will expend ALL of this in about 500 years (calm down folks, I'm taking best case). No one I know, who has children, like my immediate family, wants anything else for their children, than for them to grow up, have a family of their own, enjoy life, grow old, die, and for their families to do the same. And so on. This extrapolates to far beyond 400 more years if you think about it at all. So, we are about one million times better than nature in making use of carbon. So, if you take these numbers into account, Dino fuel should cost a great deal more per gallon than it does currently. I mean a *LOT* more. A whole lot more, as in orders of magnitute more. But the demand for it is based almost completely in it's relative low cost. Since bio fuels are NOT extractive, but rather replentishable, (renewable is a misnomer in this case) They don't have the hidden costs of extractive fuels, and environmental costs aside, actually are tens to hundreds of thousands of times LESS expensive, even though the cost at the pump is much higher, because the cost of the raw material is right there, quite litterally at your feet. Whereas in the other case, the cost is so high, it's completely ignored. So, in conclusion. If you can afford to make use this fuel at all, you will in a de-facto sense, be increasing the demand for it. There by in an economincs 101 sense, be increasing the scale thereby lowering the cost. So if you can't afford to run it all the the time, perhaps you can afford to run it every third tank or so. at this stage, here in the US, E85 is a boutique fuel. As long as folks don't make much use of it, it will remain so, and the cost will remain high. Your local seller for instance, if they could commit based on demand to longer term higher volume purchases, their suppliers could commit to larger scale production, lowering the costs all around. Making the fuel more viable. This is kinda how it works. Tiz a far far better thing you will be doing by putting your limited fuel dollars into this economic model, and you know this
Re: [Biofuel] Can this Batch be Saved?!
Thanks MikeOn 11/29/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my book that's more trouble than it's worth.I don't think you could cook out the water w/o evaporating all the Methanol. Your probably right. No offense, but I also have an 8 year old and biodiesel making isprobably not the safest activity for her to be around. True. She actually was in the house with my friends wife. I have made a blender batch with her, and for that she wore gloves, goggles and a smock. I'd think about neutralizing the batch to PH 7 and safely disposing of it. Good luck, Mike Thats what we'll do! I love this group!!! James james demer wrote: Hi All, Boy did I screw up a 240 liter batch of biodiesel. The wvo titrated out to 4.5 g lye, so my methoxide mix was 1760grams (4.5 +3.5=8g x 220) lye and 44 liters of methanol. I made the batch using the simple process. mistake #1- I'm almost positive there was a small amount of water in my methoxide tank. I also put the lye in first, before the methanol. mistake #2- when I dumped the methoxide into the vat with the wvo (wvo was about 100 deg. f) I noticed too late that not all of the lye had dissolved (5% left in container). I think it was because the temp in my garage was about 35 deg f , and my pump system needs tweaking. mistake#3- My 8 year old daughter was with me and her attention span was up! My friend that was helping (its actually his garage) stayed to monitor the reaction so I could get my girl home. What I was left with is a bunch of white curd looking stuff (lye/soap) on the top. I scooped a bunch of it out and put it in a 5 gallon bucket. I got to what looked like good fuel and put it ina jar. 12 hrs later it developed the white stuff. I tried to wash some and it will not seperate. It doesnt turn into mayo when agitated, it just does not seperate from the water. I re-processed 1 liter with 3.5g lye and 100ml methanol, and it looks the same as the original batch- white curd like (on the bottom now). Itook a small sample of the re-processed batch and tried adding water- no seperation.Just for kicks I put some malt vinegar (all I had at home - no ph tester at my house either, but I have one at my disposal) in a little bit of the reprocessed bio-mess and i made the white stuff dissappear! some dark sediment formed on the bottom- it didnt quite look like glycerine. I tried washing a little of that and it STILL wont seperate. OK, I know I seriously f*%# \'d up. I WILL change my ways. can THIS batch be saved? I want to burn it in my furnace, not a car if that matters. Thanks All, James Demer in Falmouth, Maine USA ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
Mike Weaver wrote: Did you use a kit? I looked into an adapter from the Suzuki Samurai kit but never did it. Was it hard? Stanley baer wrote: I didn't use a kit I made all the parts in my machine shop. It took a long time and the results were less than perfect, but it has been running for three years now. The main problem is that the engine is not powerful enough to tow anything. I need another 25 hp. stan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, and theorizing.
I was trying to do one of those back of envelope calculations but the numbers I came up with are depressingly low. IIRC the formula for power in watts is (Kg*m^2*s^-3) So for a sample calculation I considered the following; 25mm of rain will fill my cistern which consists of 8, 50 gallon drums or roughly 1600 liters of water. If I had placed the cistern on stilts (strong ones) at roof level (roughly 10 m) I would have 1600 Kg at 10 m head. If I released all this water and it went through a 100 % efficient turbine in 10 seconds I could generate 160 watts during that time according to the above formula. Did I do something really dumb here or is that realistic? I feel like I missed somethingI hope. Joe Evergreen Solutions wrote: 7. In high school I had visions of a device for recharging batteries that went something like this: captures rain in a funnelled system (big opening = more rain), rain travels downhill turning a series of wheels/cogs that via a system of gears works down to a very tight ratio (one spin of the first wheel = ~10 of the smalll wheel) which spin alternators to generate a charge to the batteries. The higher the system starts aerially, the more primary wheels, the more kinetic energy. Never built it, but...seemed reasonable. Then you could use your captured rainwater for your crops/drinking/whatever. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, and theorizing.
Take a look a the standard calculations for microhydro power systems. You need quite a bit of water, with decent head, to get any power. http://www.harrishydro.com/determineoutput.html On 3/2/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trying to do one of those back of envelope calculations but the numbers I came up with are depressingly low. IIRC the formula for power in watts is (Kg*m^2*s^-3) So for a sample calculation I considered the following; 25mm of rain will fill my cistern which consists of 8, 50 gallon drums or roughly 1600 liters of water. If I had placed the cistern on stilts (strong ones) at roof level (roughly 10 m) I would have 1600 Kg at 10 m head. If I released all this water and it went through a 100 % efficient turbine in 10 seconds I could generate 160 watts during that time according to the above formula. Did I do something really dumb here or is that realistic? I feel like I missed somethingI hope. Joe Evergreen Solutions wrote: 7. In high school I had visions of a device for recharging batteries that went something like this: captures rain in a funnelled system (big opening = more rain), rain travels downhill turning a series of wheels/cogs that via a system of gears works down to a very tight ratio (one spin of the first wheel = ~10 of the smalll wheel) which spin alternators to generate a charge to the batteries. The higher the system starts aerially, the more primary wheels, the more kinetic energy. Never built it, but...seemed reasonable. Then you could use your captured rainwater for your crops/drinking/whatever. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
Greetings Ken That was a real pleasure to read, thankyou. Your food shed, that's great! Footprints and food sheds. On 11/28/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not all vegetarians avoid meat because of animal rights issues. Why do they avoid it then? Best Keith Are you itchin' for a fight? ;^) :-) What's that mean-lookin' smiley mean? Are you bigger than me? Nope, I never itch for a fight, but I try to be a friend of clarity. Well, I trust that based on our long discussion a few months ago, But have you any idea how many new members have joined the list since a few months ago? Nor was that the first time we've been through all that here. Meanwhile the ante got upped. Not only do we have David Pimentel's annual disinfo campaign against ethanol to contend with, this year he found a new friend, Tad Patzek, and they did a duet, in two parts furthermore, attacking not only ethanol but biodiesel too. Arch-shill Denis Avery of the Hudson Institute has now joined the fray. He's been waging a disinfo war against organic farming for years. Many of the green groups, especially the corporate enviros sector (Big Green), swallow Pimentel's anti-ethanol crap, but they fight Avery over organic farming. But they're agreeing with Avery over biofuels, from George Monbiot a few months ago on. Some of the myths of vegetarianism play right into their hands. Especially if it's true that some or many vegetarians, whatever they might say, really do it as alleged because veggies don't scream and try to escape when you kill them, ie for emotional reasons. To which of course they're welcome, but it means they'll be more likely to believe what they want to believe rather than accept unpalatable facts such as that it's not even possible to grow veggies sustainably without raising animals, or that there is no traditional vegetarian farming system and never has been, or not one that survived. But if you know that it's not so easy to fall for the food vs fuel line Pimentel spins. That's why I asked, how spinnable are you, in other words. You sure aren't. :-) All best Keith that you know why I avoided meat for so many years. But, I'll bite anyway...there are those that feel that the land used to grow feed for livestock could be better used to grow feed for humans. There are also those that believe that there is an excessive burden placed on the environment by the poor farming practices followed by the large corporate farms that provide most of the animal-based food products in some portions of the world. Keith, before this turns into a heated debate, lets both agree that we both understand that properly grazing animals helps to amend soil without harming watersheds. Which really does answer both of the reasons mentioned above for avoiding meat. I had avoided meats and dairies for many, many years because of environmental damage done be agro-business. Prior to the Pimentel is at it again thread back in July, I followed an almost vegan diet. In the course of that discussion and over the next 6 weeks or so, I did some serious searching and found many local farmers that are raising organic, grassfed meats and organic pastured poultry. My wife and I had switched to these local farms over the grocery store for the meats that our kids wished to eat. After some additional food-mile considerations, I have begun eating locally grown, organic, grassfed meats and dairy to augment the locally grown, organic vegetables that I was always able to find seasonally. With the exception of rice and the occasional exotic treat, we have reduced our food shed to a six mile radius. Once I find a source of local barley, we'll kick the rice habit also. But, not everyone is so lucky as I am to have these resources available. If I didn't have these farms close by, I would be happy to return to a diet of based solely on locally grown plant foods. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel for model Aircraft
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Jeffrey Kumjian wrote: Can you tell me how to make Bio diesel for a model Aircraft? Jeffrey He got a few replies too. But I'll bet he's none the wiser. Maybe it'll come as a big surprise, but actually we've discussed running biodiesel in model aircraft engines before over the last six years, a few times, lots of messages. And indeed we sorted it all out - which model aircraft engines are diesels and which aren't, where you can get them, and what fuel you can run in them. All of which you'll find right here, in the - ta-daa! - list archives. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg38910.html Re: [Biofuel] Model fuel Man, am I tired of having to do that!!! Do it yourself next time! Why bother? Because if we'd had a fresh look at what we'd already established maybe something new and useful might've come of it. Well, maybe it still will. It's a stated requirement of list membership that members make use of the list resources. Be warned! CHECK THE LIST ARCHIVES FIRST. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol
On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:51 PM, Keith Addison wrote: We're veering between incaution and overcaution. There've been some other messages pooh-poohing safety in general. I'd agree too much safety is dangerous, but so is too little. What's required is *due* caution, which needs good information. Thanks again, Keith, for bringing a balanced viewpoint, much as I do like to veer :-). :-) So do I Ken, I'm sure we're not the only ones. I suppose it would be wiser always to wait until one had enough information for a balanced viewpoint before veering, but I can't plead guilty to that. Though hardly a chemophobe, even I would be horrified to take pure methanol internally even in the minutest of quantities. Right, no way. Let Nature provide if she wants to, I'm sure she doesn't need any help from me. I'm cautious but not paranoid about the occasional whiff of vapor, and less cautious still about absorption through the skin. I wouldn't immerse my hands in it, but a spill or splash vapor- izes almost instantly and has no time to be significantly absorbed. I agree with you, but I wouldn't advise it, such advice too easily goes wild - Ken says Cleopatra used to bath in it or something. Actually I never get exposed to it when I'm making biodiesel, but like Joe I use it for a lot of other things, it's useful stuff, splashes happen, but it's negligible. I agree with Bob though, I absolutely don't want methanol in my eyes, and I'm careful about that. You're using it with a mix of mostly ethanol aren't you? That'd make it friendlier. Coming soon to a workshop near me, it's only #4 on the list now. Well, on that particular list... All best Keith -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] USA should be renamed USE
So where's my check? Derick Giorchino wrote: Just goes to show you money can buy you the answers you want. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:35 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] USA should be renamed USE Actually, almost nothing shocks me any more... Zeke Yewdall wrote: You're being sarcastic Mike, I hope? On 11/28/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm shocked. radema wrote: Chairman of the House Intelligence subcommittee on terrorism and human intelligence admits taking $2.4Million in bribes. http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/28/congressman.shouse.ap/index.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, and theorizing.
Ok well according to them (your link) they are indicating that from a similar height (25 ft) 100 GPM will result in 300 watts being generated. My example released 400 gallons in 10 seconds and I calculated 160 watts. But my example has 4 times as much water in one sixth the time so why do I not get 24 times as much power?? I must be overlooking something obvious here... I could have used the wrong formula but I checked it and it was the right equationscroll down http://www.answers.com/topic/watt This is the basic definition of power i.e. force through distance over time. What gives?? Joe Zeke Yewdall wrote: Take a look a the standard calculations for microhydro power systems. You need quite a bit of water, with decent head, to get any power. http://www.harrishydro.com/determineoutput.html On 3/2/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trying to do one of those back of envelope calculations but the numbers I came up with are depressingly low. IIRC the formula for power in watts is (Kg*m^2*s^-3) So for a sample calculation I considered the following; 25mm of rain will fill my cistern which consists of 8, 50 gallon drums or roughly 1600 liters of water. If I had placed the cistern on stilts (strong ones) at roof level (roughly 10 m) I would have 1600 Kg at 10 m head. If I released all this water and it went through a 100 % efficient turbine in 10 seconds I could generate 160 watts during that time according to the above formula. Did I do something really dumb here or is that realistic? I feel like I missed somethingI hope. Joe Evergreen Solutions wrote: 7. In high school I had visions of a device for recharging batteries that went something like this: captures rain in a funnelled system (big opening = more rain), rain travels downhill turning a series of wheels/cogs that via a system of gears works down to a very tight ratio (one spin of the first wheel = ~10 of the smalll wheel) which spin alternators to generate a charge to the batteries. The higher the system starts aerially, the more primary wheels, the more kinetic energy. Never built it, but...seemed reasonable. Then you could use your captured rainwater for your crops/drinking/whatever. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, and theorizing.
4. I've already done most of this: I bought an aircooled small diesel $300.00 and use it to spin a GM small frame alternator. I put a larger sheve on the diesel to get the right speed. It puts out 1450 KW. I have this hooked to a bank of deep cycle marine batteries, Do not use car batteries. Waste of money. I have an 1800 watt inverter hooked to this. Total cost under 1,000.00. It runs on homebrew biodiesel. This was an el cheapo project - I use it to power my biodiesel processer/shed, and as back up power. If I were doing it over again/or was planning it to power a house: I would get a bigger small diesel (9-12 HP) and either buy a real genset or get a rebuild HO alternator. Many cars have 24 volt systems nowadays. You can also re-wind GM alternators for power output. I would get a water-cooled diesel engine and use the heat the keep the power shed/house warm. I would wire a system that would start the motor when the power in the battery array dropped to a certain level. The farther down you drain the batteries, the faster they wear out. I would have bought more batteries. I have 4. I would like 8-10. 57.00 ea at Costco. I would add at least one PV array. Isulate/soundproof the power shed. It's loud. Go to 24 v if you can, or even 48 v. Spend the money to get a pure sine wave converter. On your prevous questions, I've installed a second alternator - - I used a GM and an old Chrysler mechanical regulator. I used to be in the towing business and used the rig for quick starts. This was 20 years ago, tho'. Now I would just buy a more powerful alternator - with the advent of giant sound systems there are a lot of places rebuilding them for more power. Not knowing what kind of car you have, it's hard to answer. If you happen to have a 1 ton truck with a diesel motor and a PTO (power take off) you're home free. If not, Evergreen is right, it's way too much hassle. Look at point 4. Email me if you want the specifics of my system. -Mike Evergreen Solutions wrote: Michael, Unless my gmail is lying, and it might be, I didn't see other repsonses to this email. I'd just like to ask a couple questions (and say thanks for the chest freezer/fridge, that thing is awesome!) 1. Having recently replaced several alternators, I'm wondering how you would plan to add *additional* alternators to your car, since they're spun by a belt generally connected to the waterpump and the camshaft assembly? 2. Adding to the previous question...you're talking about adding additional drag to the motor, which will degrade your performance/fuel economy, much like an air conditioner. 3. Were I you I might consider swapping for a heavy duty alternator + sound system capacitor + 6-8 gauge wire routed to your trunk to power your Grid. 4. Even better than that, build/buy a small bd generator to power them/whatever else you have around. 5. Charging a DEAD battery is tough, since they're not designed to go completely DEAD and will need replaced quickly if they do completely die. W/ a rapid charger you're looking at about 2-4 hours for a complete charge, 4-8-12 w/ a traditional charger, and that's one plugged into 110v, not from a car. 6. Another bad thing about car batteries is LEAD and ACID, two things you don't want to be introducing to the environment if you don't have to. 7. In high school I had visions of a device for recharging batteries that went something like this: captures rain in a funnelled system (big opening = more rain), rain travels downhill turning a series of wheels/cogs that via a system of gears works down to a very tight ratio (one spin of the first wheel = ~10 of the smalll wheel) which spin alternators to generate a charge to the batteries. The higher the system starts aerially, the more primary wheels, the more kinetic energy. Never built it, but...seemed reasonable. Then you could use your captured rainwater for your crops/drinking/whatever. Keep us informed :) On 11/19/05, *Michael Nehring* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, In about 8 months or so, I and my (future) wife will buy our first house. One of my goals is to have a relatively high level of energy self-sufficiency (without going bankrupt since we currently don't have a ton of cash lying around). First question: does anyone know of any charts/statistics of household energy consumption. I'm not so much interested in kilowatthours per day, but rather how the usage is divided up. This will make it easier to plan what areas typically need to be improved. On another note, have any of you guys already looked at this: http://mtbest.net/chest_fridge.html. It's a fridge that uses only .1 kw-hours/day (that's around 37 per year, and at $.1/kWh, that's less than $4 year if you're on the grid). The idea is surprisingly simple. Another question:
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
Rust, mostly. The motor is solid but not particularly strong. My friend has one that's 20+ years old and still going strong. Derick Giorchino wrote: The last diesel pickup I saw sold in North America was a Isuzu pup. They had there flaws but it wasn't the engine. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert luis rabello Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:08 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada steve reimer wrote: Any suggestions on where I can find a small to mid sized diesel pick-up truck in Ontario, Canada? In the truck trader, I only found 2 or 3 older trucks with over 300 000km. Good luck, Steve! Nobody has made a small or mid sized diesel for sale in North America for a LONG time. If you want a newer one that hasn't been driven into the ground, you'll have to import one of those lovely diesel Rangers from Mexico. (I'd love to get one myself!) Otherwise, you're stuck with a 3 / 4 to full ton beast with a big block diesel, like the GM 6.2 / 6.5, Duramax, Dodge Cummins (those are a little over 5 liters in displacement, I believe), or the Ford Powerstroke. Expect to pay a LOT of money for a full sized diesel. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, and theorizing.
You'd need a pretty fast flowing stream or river, unless you could build a dam. I lit a flashligh bulb with a 55 gallon drum and a paddle wheel once. Joe Street wrote: I was trying to do one of those back of envelope calculations but the numbers I came up with are depressingly low. IIRC the formula for power in watts is (Kg*m^2*s^-3) So for a sample calculation I considered the following; 25mm of rain will fill my cistern which consists of 8, 50 gallon drums or roughly 1600 liters of water. If I had placed the cistern on stilts (strong ones) at roof level (roughly 10 m) I would have 1600 Kg at 10 m head. If I released all this water and it went through a 100 % efficient turbine in 10 seconds I could generate 160 watts during that time according to the above formula. Did I do something really dumb here or is that realistic? I feel like I missed somethingI hope. Joe Evergreen Solutions wrote: 7. In high school I had visions of a device for recharging batteries that went something like this: captures rain in a funnelled system (big opening = more rain), rain travels downhill turning a series of wheels/cogs that via a system of gears works down to a very tight ratio (one spin of the first wheel = ~10 of the smalll wheel) which spin alternators to generate a charge to the batteries. The higher the system starts aerially, the more primary wheels, the more kinetic energy. Never built it, but...seemed reasonable. Then you could use your captured rainwater for your crops/drinking/whatever. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
Bring it to Mike's GTDI Shop! My 2002 Golf TDI gets rubber in three gears and I've smoked more than a few BMW's with it - running biodiesel. I have a RocketChip, redialed the boost w/ Vag-Com and installed a KN induction system. Right now my seat of the pants feel is easily 125 -135 HP and well over 200 lbs of torque. I have bigger injectors for the engine but am worried that it'll put out so much power the clutch will slip. This model has the small clutch, and I'm not ready invest in a bigger one. Which motor do you have? If it's the non-turbo, you may be able to pick up some ponies with a KN setup and bigger injectors. I have long wanted to do this swap but will probably wind up buying a used Cummins P/U. -Mike Stanley baer wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: Did you use a kit? I looked into an adapter from the Suzuki Samurai kit but never did it. Was it hard? Stanley baer wrote: I didn't use a kit I made all the parts in my machine shop. It took a long time and the results were less than perfect, but it has been running for three years now. The main problem is that the engine is not powerful enough to tow anything. I need another 25 hp. stan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] neoprene gloves good enough protection?
You may wish to keep an eye wash kit around... bob allen wrote: My only recommendation, based on about 40 yrs in chemistry labs, is eye protective devices. Spills on the body are trivial compared spills in the eye. Ken Provost wrote: On Nov 29, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Kenji James Fuse wrote: What do others use for hand protection from methanol and methoxide? Do neoprene gloves provide adequate enough protection from methanol and methoxide? I realize this is sacrilege, but I don't use ANY PROTECTION! I find the methanol evaporates very quickly from my hands, leaving no ill effects (yet :-)) except a certain chappiness that can be remedied with various OTC preparations (hand lotion). Methoxide solution spilled on the hands has a tendency to produce a slight burning sensation after a couple of minutes that can be neutral- ized instantly with running water. Really. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Can this Batch be Saved?!
Our people hail from Down East - Vinalhaven - and as my grandfather used to say You can always tell a Maine man, but you can't tell him much! I go through Falmouth every Summer. I've made BD with my daughter - the World-famous Dr. Pepper method - but don't let her in my processing shed. Too dangerous. She's a big BD fan already! james demer wrote: Thanks Mike On 11/29/05, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my book that's more trouble than it's worth. I don't think you could cook out the water w/o evaporating all the Methanol. Your probably right. No offense, but I also have an 8 year old and biodiesel making is probably not the safest activity for her to be around. True. She actually was in the house with my friends wife. I have made a blender batch with her, and for that she wore gloves, goggles and a smock. I'd think about neutralizing the batch to PH 7 and safely disposing of it. Good luck, Mike Thats what we'll do! I love this group!!! James james demer wrote: Hi All, Boy did I screw up a 240 liter batch of biodiesel. The wvo titrated out to 4.5 g lye, so my methoxide mix was 1760grams (4.5 +3.5=8g x 220) lye and 44 liters of methanol. I made the batch using the simple process. mistake #1- I'm almost positive there was a small amount of water in my methoxide tank. I also put the lye in first, before the methanol. mistake #2- when I dumped the methoxide into the vat with the wvo (wvo was about 100 deg. f) I noticed too late that not all of the lye had dissolved (5% left in container). I think it was because the temp in my garage was about 35 deg f , and my pump system needs tweaking. mistake#3- My 8 year old daughter was with me and her attention span was up! My friend that was helping (its actually his garage) stayed to monitor the reaction so I could get my girl home. What I was left with is a bunch of white curd looking stuff (lye/soap) on the top. I scooped a bunch of it out and put it in a 5 gallon bucket. I got to what looked like good fuel and put it in a jar. 12 hrs later it developed the white stuff. I tried to wash some and it will not seperate. It doesnt turn into mayo when agitated, it just does not seperate from the water. I re-processed 1 liter with 3.5g lye and 100ml methanol, and it looks the same as the original batch- white curd like (on the bottom now). I took a small sample of the re-processed batch and tried adding water- no seperation. Just for kicks I put some malt vinegar (all I had at home - no ph tester at my house either, but I have one at my disposal) in a little bit of the reprocessed bio-mess and i made the white stuff dissappear! some dark sediment formed on the bottom- it didnt quite look like glycerine. I tried washing a little of that and it STILL wont seperate. OK, I know I seriously f*%# \'d up. I WILL change my ways. can THIS batch be saved? I want to burn it in my furnace, not a car if that matters. Thanks All, James Demer in Falmouth, Maine USA ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enough protection?
Better to be over-cautious than under-cautious. I wish we could set up a training series and teach interested parties how to brew safely. I dread the thought than someone will make an avoidable error and taint the home-brewing scenario. If I wrote a quick safety punchlist would the greybeards on the list look it over - if approved maybe Keith would post it on the website? I have some informal points in my biodiesel notebook that could probably be expanded. -Mike Keith Addison wrote: We're veering between incaution and overcaution. There've been some other messages pooh-poohing safety in general. I'd agree too much safety is dangerous, but so is too little. What's required is *due* caution, which needs good information. Here it is: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#moremeth More about methanol Question: Just how dangerous is methanol? Fact: Methanol is a poisonous chemical that can blind you or kill you, and as well as drinking it you can absorb it through the skin and breathe in the fumes. Question: How much does it take to kill you? Short answer: Anything from five teaspoons to more than half a pint, but nobody really knows. Fact: Human susceptibility to the acute effects of methanol intoxication is extremely variable. The minimum dose of methanol causing permanent visual defects is unknown. The lethal dose of methanol for humans is not known for certain. The minimum lethal dose of methanol in the absence of medical treatment is put at between 0.3 and 1 g/kg. That means it's thought to take at least 20 grams of methanol to kill an average-sized person, or 25 ml, five teaspoonsful. Or it might need more than three times as much, 66 grams, 17 teaspoonsful, or maybe more, and even then it'll only kill you if you can't reach a doctor within a day or two, and maybe it still won't kill you. But it definitely can kill you. If you drink five teaspoonsful of pure methanol you'll need medical treatment even if it doesn't kill you. Yet people have survived doses of 10 times as much -- a quarter of a litre, half a pint -- without any permanent harm. But others haven't survived much lower doses. Getting rapid medical attention is crucial, though the poisoning effects can be slow to develop. Authorities advise that swallowing up to 1.3 grams or 1.7 ml of methanol or inhaling methanol vapour concentrations below 200 ppm should be harmless for most people. No severe effects have been reported in humans of methanol vapour exposures well above 200 ppm. Out of 1,601 methanol poisonings reported in the US in 1987 the death rate was 0.375%, or 1 in 267 cases. It might have been only 1 in more than a thousand cases because most cases weren't reported. Most cases were caused by drinking badly made moonshine, which is a worldwide problem. Fiction: Methanol is ... a very active chemical against which the human body has no means of defence. It is absorbed easily through the skin and there is no means of elimination from the body, so levels of methanol dissolved in the blood accumulate. That's from a British website trying to sell Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO) solvent additives by frightening people with the alleged perils of biodiesel. See The SVO vs biodiesel argument Fact: 30 litres of fruit juice will probably contain up to 20 grams of methanol, near the official minimum lethal dose. Methanol is in the food we eat, in fresh fruit and vegetables, beer and wine, diet drinks, artificial sweeteners. Not only that, methanol occurs naturally in humans. It's a natural component of blood, urine, saliva and the air you breathe out. It's there anyway even if you've never been exposed to chemical methanol or its fumes. Methanol is eliminated from the body as a normal matter of course via the urine and exhaled air and by metabolism. Getting rid of it takes from a few hours for low doses to a day or two for higher doses. Some proportion of a dose of methanol just goes straight through, excreted by the lungs and kidneys unchanged. The normal background-level quantities of methanol in humans are eliminated and replenished all the time as a matter of course. Fiction: It's largely biodiesel's methanol content that's being blamed when the same British SVO website charges that biodiesel is wasteful and environmentally irresponsible. Fact: Methanol is readily biodegradable in the environment under both aerobic and anaerobic conditions (with and without oxygen) in a wide variety of conditions. Generally 80% of methanol in sewage systems is biodegraded within 5 days. Methanol is a normal growth substrate for many soil microorganisms, which completely degrade methanol to carbon dioxide and water. Methanol is of low toxicity to aquatic and terrestrial organisms and it is not bioaccumulated. (It's toxic mainly to humans and monkeys.) Environmental effects due to exposure to methanol are unlikely. Unless released in high concentrations, methanol would not
Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada
Yeah, the stock 2.2 liter isuzu was rated at 62 horsepower, and the 1.6 liter VW was only 55 horsepower. You can boost the 1.6 a little by getting rid of the factory snorkel with a 4 system, and putting on a 2.5 straightpipe exhaust, but it's just not very powerful compared to even a stock TDI. On 11/30/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bring it to Mike's GTDI Shop! My 2002 Golf TDI gets rubber in three gears and I've smoked more than a few BMW's with it - running biodiesel. I have a RocketChip, redialed the boost w/ Vag-Com and installed a KN induction system. Right now my seat of the pants feel is easily 125 -135 HP and well over 200 lbs of torque. I have bigger injectors for the engine but am worried that it'll put out so much power the clutch will slip. This model has the small clutch, and I'm not ready invest in a bigger one. Which motor do you have? If it's the non-turbo, you may be able to pick up some ponies with a KN setup and bigger injectors. I have long wanted to do this swap but will probably wind up buying a used Cummins P/U. -Mike Stanley baer wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: Did you use a kit? I looked into an adapter from the Suzuki Samurai kit but never did it. Was it hard? Stanley baer wrote: I didn't use a kit I made all the parts in my machine shop. It took a long time and the results were less than perfect, but it has been running for three years now. The main problem is that the engine is not powerful enough to tow anything. I need another 25 hp. stan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Jason and Katie wrote: i dont give a fuzzy flying fuck about taxes, yeah, you and leona 'taxes are for little people helmsley if they want to stop me and test my fuel for dyes, ill spend my time in the can, and get right back to it when i get home. America is a great country... its the idiots at the helm that bother me. - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? There are two types of taxes for Fuel - State and Federal. All registered fuel Sellers are required to be registered with the IRS and the State they sell fuel in. They inject a dye in the fuel - Yellow for on road fuel Red for off road. I think all gasoline is taxed and not dyed. ( I think the yellow has been discontinued now.) but any way they pay a tax on every gallon sold at the pump. Ethanol and Biodiesel is the same as Dinogas and Dinodiesel in the eyes of the State and Federal officials. Some states do encourage alternate fuels by one means or another but I havent heard of any tax breaks. Now in the world of do it yourselfers it is how brave you are to avoid paying those taxes. I leave that one there. If you are talking about hybrids that use electricity the government gets the fuel side tax but would have a rough time implementing a zap tax for charging the vehicle but its not out of the question they may try. Jim Alan Petrillo wrote: I caught a piece of something on the news about the US Guvmint wanting to tax alternate fuel vehicles so they can pay their fair share of highway maintenance costs. Anyone know anything about this? AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Chicken Power (sorry Keith)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051130/ap_on_sc/chicken_fat_fuel AP - Researchers Convert Chicken Fat to Fuel Tue Nov 29, 8:42 PM ET Fuel is the thing with feathers. Hoping to find an efficient way to help power automobiles and trucks, researchers at the University of Arkansas say they have developed a way to convert chicken fat to a biodiesel fuel. We're trying to expand the petroleum base, said Brian Mattingly, a graduate student in chemical engineering. Five to 20 percent blending of biodiesel into petroleum-based diesel significantly reduces our dependence on foreign oil. Mattingly's research allows biodiesel producers to assess different materials to see what works best. Producers will be able to choose the best way to convert different grades of chicken fat into fuels. R.E. Babcock, a professor of chemical engineering, said chicken-fat fuels are better for the environment and the machines. They burn better, create less particulate matter and actually lubricate and clean things like cylinders, pistons and fuel lines, Babcock said. Traditionally, biodiesel producers have used refined products like soybean oil because they are easier to convert to fuels. However, the refining process makes soybean oil more expensive — and fuel producers must compete with grocers for the oil supply. Chicken fat can be a less-expensive substitute because it is available at a low cost. However, fatty acids in raw chicken fat can lead to the creation of soap during the various chemical processes. In his studies, Mattingly used high-quality fat (less than 2 percent fatty acid content) and low-quality, feed-grade fat (6 percent fatty acid content) obtained from Tyson Foods Inc. plants in Clarksville and Scranton. The high-quality fat is more expensive than the feed-grade fat, but both are less expensive than soybean oil. It took different steps to refine the different fats, but it could be done, Mattingly said. The project demonstrated that there is a very fine line between facilitating an adequate reaction and generating so much soap that the biodiesel yield is diminished, Mattingly said. Basically, deciding which method to use comes down to economics. Michael Popp, an associate professor of agricultural economics, said it is too early to tell if making biodiesel fuel from chicken fat is economically feasible. Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. Copyright 2005 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. Questions or Comments ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Power (sorry Keith)
Interesting that the flagship campus gets all the press. I have been working with a local company that processes poultry plant wastes for several months turning the waste (chicken fat) into biodiesel. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg5.html Fred Finch wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051130/ap_on_sc/chicken_fat_fuel AP - Researchers Convert Chicken Fat to Fuel /Tue Nov 29, 8:42 PM ET/ Fuel is the thing with feathers. Hoping to find an efficient way to help power automobiles and trucks, researchers at the University of Arkansas say they have developed a way to convert chicken fat to a biodiesel fuel. We're trying to expand the petroleum base, said Brian Mattingly, a graduate student in chemical engineering. Five to 20 percent blending of biodiesel into petroleum-based diesel significantly reduces our dependence on foreign oil. Mattingly's research allows biodiesel producers to assess different materials to see what works best. Producers will be able to choose the best way to convert different grades of chicken fat into fuels. R.E. Babcock, a professor of chemical engineering, said chicken-fat fuels are better for the environment and the machines. They burn better, create less particulate matter and actually lubricate and clean things like cylinders, pistons and fuel lines, Babcock said. Traditionally, biodiesel producers have used refined products like soybean oil because they are easier to convert to fuels. However, the refining process makes soybean oil more expensive — and fuel producers must compete with grocers for the oil supply. Chicken fat can be a less-expensive substitute because it is available at a low cost. However, fatty acids in raw chicken fat can lead to the creation of soap during the various chemical processes. In his studies, Mattingly used high-quality fat (less than 2 percent fatty acid content) and low-quality, feed-grade fat (6 percent fatty acid content) obtained from Tyson Foods Inc. plants in Clarksville and Scranton. The high-quality fat is more expensive than the feed-grade fat, but both are less expensive than soybean oil. It took different steps to refine the different fats, but it could be done, Mattingly said. The project demonstrated that there is a very fine line between facilitating an adequate reaction and generating so much soap that the biodiesel yield is diminished, Mattingly said. Basically, deciding which method to use comes down to economics. Michael Popp, an associate professor of agricultural economics, said it is too early to tell if making biodiesel fuel from chicken fat is economically feasible. Copyright © 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. Copyright © 2005 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. Questions or Comments http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12fofb32d/M=224039.1983420.3465435.1919853/D=news/S=14715249:FOOT/_ylt=AhqI5BAghSK4EziGv64qLitxieAA/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1133380822/A=1030392/R=1/SIG=1124ddvo1/*http://help.yahoo.com/help/news/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Joe Street wrote: I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, utilities.. I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in. Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article below by an American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements and international law being ignored: Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of Law says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties and standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi prisoners... The Bush Administration has consistently signaled for three and a half years that international law does not matter. The American military and civilian personnel at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad apparently received that signal loud and clear. Not only did they fail to follow the requirements of the Geneva Convention on Treatment of POW's, according to the Red Cross, no copies of the treaty were to be found on-site. The list of high-profile treaties broken or withdrawn by this government is a long one that includes denunciation of the Rome Statute creating the International Criminal Court, pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol to diminish ozone-depleting gases, and unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty over initial Russian objections. An overwhelming majority of nations condemned each of these moves as irresponsible and self-serving, but Washington paid little heed - steadfastly pursuing short-term political gains instead of America's long-term global interests. International law was undermined and flouted. When the invasion of Iraq became a front-burner issue, the world implored the Bush Administration not to do it, threatening everything from vetoes in the UN to political recrimination. America again disregarded the objections and went forward. The Security Council was subverted in the process and a creaky pre- World War II theory of justified pre-emptive strikes was resurrected. Again international law was cast aside. When questions arose as to whether Geneva Convention protections would be extended to those captured in Afghanistan, President Bush dismissed the landmark 55-year-old treaty regime as a series of legalisms he would consider in making his decision. This unapologetic pattern of discounting the importance of international law helped create an environment where it could easily by disregarded by those who were supposed to follow it. That subtle message was especially potent when coupled with the specific message to extract all information possible out of detainees to help further the war on terrorism. How can the privates and sergeants on the ground at Abu Ghraib be faulted for following the lead of their commander-in-chief? They can be faulted because they should be regarded as rational, thinking human beings - the same as those they tortured. The fact that international law was simply disregarded made the process easier, but no more excusable. America has begun to reap the whirlwind of its policy-line ignoring international law. It is held in the lowest regard foreign nations have had for it in decades, and it suffers from diminished standing worldwide. The abuses at Abu Ghraib are a particularly ugly gust of that whirlwind that has blown back in Washington's face. Re-embracing international law and the United Nations (and the unique legitimacy each can bestow) could help us weather and avoid the fury of such storms. Michael Kelly is Associate Professor of Law of International Law at Creighton University School of Law in Omaha, Nebraska, and the co-author of Equal Justice in the Balance, Assessing America's Legal Responses to the Emerging Terrorist Threat (University of Michigan Press 2004). May 19, 2004 http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2004/05/reaping-whirlwind-departures- from_19.php ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Yeah I didn't write that Marilyn. I did respond to that post though. You must have replied to my post and snipped out my response which I have copied below after the post you erroneously attribute to me. Keith hates it when people do that. I've done it too by accident. Be careful Keith seems a little testy these days especially about the archives BTW great post otherwise :-) I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, utilities.. I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in. Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General Hospital? That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva convention. The US government is clearly guilty of international war crimes. I don't understand why the people of that country are not doing anything about this. There are plenty of grounds for impeachment without anyone getting thier lips dirty! Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe Street wrote: I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, utilities.. I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in. Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article below by an American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements and international law being ignored: Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of Law says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties and standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi prisoners... "The Bush Administration has consistently signaled for three and a half years that international law does not matter. The American military and civilian personnel at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad apparently received that signal loud and clear. Not only did they fail to follow the requirements of the Geneva Convention on Treatment of POW's, according to the Red Cross, no copies of the treaty were to be found on-site. The list of high-profile treaties broken or withdrawn by this government is a long one that includes denunciation of the Rome Statute creating the International Criminal Court, pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol to diminish ozone-depleting gases, and unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty over initial Russian objections. An overwhelming majority of nations condemned each of these moves as irresponsible and self-serving, but Washington paid little heed - steadfastly pursuing short-term political gains instead of America's long-term global interests. International law was undermined and flouted. When the invasion of Iraq became a front-burner issue, the world implored the Bush Administration not to do it, threatening everything from vetoes in the UN to political recrimination. America again disregarded the objections and went forward. The Security Council was subverted in the process and a creaky pre- World War II theory of justified pre-emptive strikes was resurrected. Again international law was cast aside. When questions arose as to whether Geneva Convention protections would be extended to those captured in Afghanistan, President Bush dismissed the landmark 55-year-old treaty regime as a series of legalisms he would consider in making his decision. This unapologetic pattern of discounting the importance of international law helped create an environment where it could easily by disregarded by those who were supposed to follow it. That subtle message was especially potent when coupled with the specific message to extract all information possible out of detainees to help further the war on terrorism. How can the privates and sergeants on the ground at Abu Ghraib be faulted for following the lead of their commander-in-chief? They can be faulted because they should be regarded as rational, thinking human beings - the same as those they tortured. The fact that international law was simply disregarded made the process easier, but no more excusable. America has begun to reap the whirlwind of its policy-line ignoring international law. It is held in the lowest regard foreign nations have had for it in decades, and it suffers from diminished standing worldwide. The abuses at Abu Ghraib are a particularly ugly gust of that whirlwind that has blown back in Washington's face. Re-embracing international law and the
Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Thanks for the correction, Joe. I will be more careful from now on to be sure who I am quoting. Is it OK to just say Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: and not mention a name when including a response? I'm glad you liked the post otherwise. I don't blame Keith for being a little testy. We all are these days with what is going on in the world. Marilyn Note: Forwarded Email Message Below: Yeah I didn't write that Marilyn. I did respond to that post though. You must have replied to my post and snipped out my response which I have copied below after the post you erroneously attribute to me. Keith hates it when people do that. I've done it too by accident. Be careful Keith seems a little testy these days especially about the archives BTW great post otherwise :-) I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, utilities.. I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in. Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General Hospital? That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva convention. The US government is clearly guilty of international war crimes. I don't understand why the people of that country are not doing anything about this. There are plenty of grounds for impeachment without anyone getting thier lips dirty! Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe Street wrote: I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, utilities.. I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in. Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article below by an American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements and international law being ignored: Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of Law says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties and standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi prisoners... The Bush Administration has consistently signaled for three and a half years that international law does not matter. The American military and civilian personnel at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad apparently received that signal loud and clear. Not only did they fail to follow the requirements of the Geneva Convention on Treatment of POW's, according to the Red Cross, no copies of the treaty were to be found on-site. The list of high-profile treaties broken or withdrawn by this government is a long one that includes denunciation of the Rome Statute creating the International Criminal Court, pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol to diminish ozone-depleting gases, and unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty over initial Russian objections. An overwhelming majority of nations condemned each of these moves as irresponsible and self-serving, but Washington paid little heed - steadfastly pursuing short-term political gains instead of America's long-term global interests. International law was undermined and flouted. When the invasion of Iraq became a front-burner issue, the world implored the Bush Administration not to do it, threatening everything from vetoes in the UN to political recrimination. America again disregarded the objections and went forward. The Security Council was subverted in the process and a creaky pre- World War II theory of justified pre-emptive strikes was resurrected. Again international law was cast aside. When questions arose as to whether Geneva Convention protections would be extended to those captured in Afghanistan, President Bush dismissed the landmark 55-year-old treaty regime as a series of legalisms he would consider in making his decision. This unapologetic pattern of discounting the importance of international law helped create an environment where it could easily by disregarded by those who were supposed to follow it. That subtle message was especially potent when coupled with the specific message to extract all information possible out of detainees to help further the war on terrorism. How can the privates and sergeants on the ground at Abu Ghraib be faulted for following the lead of their commander-in-chief? They can be faulted because they should be regarded as rational, thinking human beings - the same as those they tortured. The fact that international law was simply disregarded made the process
Re: [Biofuel] clarification plz, ethanol
Chip, I like the way you did that. Now if my new job actually starts to pay me what they SAY they're gonna pay me, I'll be swilling the E85 likeuhm...well, instead I guess. On 11/30/05, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Evergreen Solutions wrote: Hi all, I recently found out that a local fuel wholesaler has begun selling E85 to consumers in our small town, and I'm also happy to report that my car is an FFV and capable of running it. However, I *believe* that I read somewhere that ethanol will get you *less* far per gallon than traditional petrol.It's funny. Ethanol is a slightly more efficient fuel in many ways, but it contains less energy per volume unit than does petrol. This is whyone has to make allowances for running much leaner.In automotive engines, it's perhaps a bit strange, my very limitedexperience has been in small engines, and the math is very evident in those cases; Here's a very good write up:http://members.aol.com/pullingtractor/carbfuel.htmFolks think somehow that ethanol has more energy because of it's higher octane (which is kinda a misnomer anyway). But that isn't the casereally. Because of it's higher octane one can burn a lot more of itwithout destroying an engine, meaning one can force a lot more fuel/air through the engine, making it excellent for hot-rodding. My old SaabSonett LOVES the stuff, but it's too expensive for an every day fuelcommercially. On the ethanol site it talks all about 105 octane, etc, but I can't seem to find a good answer. I'm hoping someone will tell me that mpg goes up instead of down, but I'm not holding my breath. Reason? I don't make a lot of money, and this wholesaler is selling his E85 (which is advertized as being partially from waste products) for $2.799 per gallon, while regular petrol is back down to about $2.159. Directly, I can't afford to go less far for more money. This isn't unique to your situation. I think if you poll anyone,regardless of their income they will empirically state that theycannot afford to pay more when they could pay less. I think theold saw goes something to the effect of: The poor have little,Beggars none;The rich too muchEnough? not one. -Ben FranklinSo much for money, eh?So, in the grand scheme of things. Bio fuels have real fixed costs. This is really true for commercial providers. For good folks who are brewingtheir own utilizing cast off products like waste vegetable oil, that'sa grand thing. But commercial providers are not in that category. They have real costs. Look at the price of virgin soy oil, figure in a 60percent yeild +transport and storage and rational profit, and you seea much higher price per unit at the pump than dino fuel.Same goes for ethanol. You see, no one, not one, really figure in the cost of the raw materialin extractive oil processes.In the most liberal round numbers to avoid potential screaming matches,Folks best guess is that it took around 500 million years to sequester the carbon currently found in our fuel oils . Good ole crude as it were.But the most hopeful numbers one can find, we will expend ALL of thisin about 500 years (calm down folks, I'm taking best case).No one I know, who has children, like my immediate family, wants anything else for their children, than for them to grow up, havea family of their own, enjoy life, grow old, die, and for theirfamilies to do the same. And so on. This extrapolates to farbeyond 400 more years if you think about it at all. So, we are about one million times better than nature in makinguse of carbon.So, if you take these numbers into account, Dino fuel should costa great deal more per gallon than it does currently. I mean a *LOT* more. A whole lot more, as in orders of magnitute more. But thedemand for it is based almost completely in it's relative lowcost.Since bio fuels are NOT extractive, but rather replentishable,(renewable is a misnomer in this case) They don't have the hidden costs of extractive fuels, and environmental costs aside, actuallyare tens to hundreds of thousands of times LESS expensive, even thoughthe cost at the pump is much higher, because the cost of theraw material is right there, quite litterally at your feet. Whereas in the other case, the cost is so high, it's completely ignored.So, in conclusion. If you can afford to make use this fuel at all,you will in a de-facto sense, be increasing the demand for it.There by in an economincs 101 sense, be increasing the scale thereby lowering the cost. So if you can't afford to run it all the thetime, perhaps you can afford to run it every third tank or so.at this stage, here in the US, E85 is a boutique fuel. As longas folks don't make much use of it, it will remain so, and the cost will remain high. Your local seller for instance, if they could commitbased on demand to longer term higher volume purchases, their supplierscould commit to larger scale production, lowering the costs all around. Making the fuel more viable. This is kinda
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Several States in the Northwest already add several hundred dollars annual "registration fee" on estimated travel distance for hybrid and electric vehicles.This has been going on for several years. Alan Petrillo wrote: I caught a piece of something on the news about the US Guvmint wanting to tax alternate fuel vehicles so they can "pay their fair share of highway maintenance costs." Anyone know anything about this? AP ___Walker (Ben W. Gardner)___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Hubbert Peak Theory Made it into Wikipedia
Hubbert peak theoryFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil (Redirected from Peak oil) Jump to: navigation, searchThe Hubbert curve, devised by M. King Hubbert, is a model of future oil availability.Global fossil carbon emissions, an indicator of consumption, for 1800-2000. Total is black. Oil is in blue. The Hubbert peak theory, also known as "peak oil", concerns the long-term rate of conventional oil (and other fossil fuel) extraction and depletion. It is named after American geophysicist M. King Hubbert, who created a model of known reserves, and proposed, in 1956, in a paper he presented [1] at a meeting of the American Petroleum Institute, that oil production in the continental United States would peak between 1965 and 1970; and that world production would peak in 2000. U.S. oil production peaked in 1971 [2], and has been decreasing since then. Global production did not peak in 2000, but Hubbert's model did not account for the 1973 and 1979 OPEC oil shocks, which effectively reduced global demand for oil and delayed the peak. Colin Campbell of the Association for the Study of Peak OilGas(ASPO) has calculated that the global production of conventional oil peaked in the Spring of 2004 albeit at a rate of 23-GB/yr, not Hubbert's 13-GB/yr. Given that oil is a non-renewable resource, it is inevitable that at some point there will be a similar peak in worldwide oil production. Hubbert's theory is that the same calculations that successfully predicted the peak in oil production in the USA would apply to other circumstances, such as the peak in worldwide oil production. Various estimates for the worldwide peak have been made by Hubbert and others, with some of these dates already having passed. This has led to criticism of the method and predictions made using the method. Hubbert's peak theory is subject to continued discussion because of the potential effects of lowered oil production, and because of the ongoing debate over aspects of energy policy. Opinions on the effect of passing Hubbert's peak range from faith that the market economy will produce a solution to predictions of doomsday scenarios of a global economy unable to meet its energy needs. (See Implications section, below) Some oil industry executives, economists, and analysts doubt that Hubbert's peak theory applies on a global scale. However, Chevron has launched the Will You Join Us? ad campaign, seeking to inform the public to the possibility of oil depletion and encourage discussion. The campaign's website notes findings from the International Energy Agency's (IEA) World Energy Outlook 2004: "Fossil fuels currently supply most of the worlds energy, and are expected to continue to do so for the foreseeable future. While supplies are currently abundant, they wont last forever. Oil production is in decline in 33 of the 48 largest oil producing countries, ..."[more]___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Seperating glycerine
Hi, I didcouple of tests onglycerin separationwith the titration method onJTFwith different results. Test One; 250ml byproduct 10ml phosphoric shacked vigorously There was separation with 3 layers about 60/30/10 within about 15 minutes. FFa Glycerin and fluffy white sodium phosphate Test two; 250ml byproduct 10ml phosphoric shaked vigorously I then added 5ml phosphoric shaked vigorously I added more phosphoricto see what would happen. there was separation with In about one minute withtwo layers about 50/50 with creamy brown stuff on the bottom. FFa on top I then added more phosphoric untilI got separation of a reddish colour on bottom. this has being sitting for 4 hours or so. In the jar there is about 60/40 (ffa/glycerin) with a very fine white layer on the bottom. There is a greater amount of glycerin in test two and less ffa Could any one explain to me what is happening? John ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] USA should be renamed USE
USPS Priority Service...keep us advised -- Original Message -- From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:37:58 -0500 So where's my check? Derick Giorchino wrote: Just goes to show you money can buy you the answers you want. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:35 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] USA should be renamed USE Actually, almost nothing shocks me any more... Zeke Yewdall wrote: You're being sarcastic Mike, I hope? On 11/28/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm shocked. radema wrote: Chairman of the House Intelligence subcommittee on terrorism and human intelligence admits taking $2.4Million in bribes. http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/28/congressman.shouse.ap/index.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
...and it wasn't just the hospital! Mike THE RESULTS OF US DEMOCRACY IN FALLUJAH!From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CampusAntiwarNetwork] Fallujah: A Horrific Case of a Crime Against HumanityDate: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:05:54 -0500Fallujah: A Horrifc Case of a Crime Against Humanity March 21, 2005Dr. Hafidh al-Dulaimi, the head of the Commission for the Compensation of Fallujah citizens have reported the following destruction that has been inflicted on Fallujah as a result of the American attack on it: 7000 totally destroyed, or nearly totally destroyed, homes in all districts of Fallujah.8400 stores, workshops, clinics, warehouses, etc.. destroyed.65 mosques and religious sanctuaries have been either totally demolished and leveled with the ground or whose minarets and inner halls have been demolished. 59 kindergartens, primary schools, secondary schools and technical colleges have been destroyed. 13 government buildings have been leveled.Destruction of the two electricity substations, the three water purification plants, the two railroad stations and heavy damages to the sewage and rain drainage subsystems throughout the city.The total destruction of a bridge to the West of the city. The death of 100,000 domestic and wild animals due to chemical and/or gaseous munitions. The burning and destruction of four libraries that housed hundreds perhaps thousands of ancient Islamic manuscripts and books. The targeted destruction (which appears to be intentional) of the historical nearby site at Saqlawia and the castle of Abu al-Abbas al-Safah. Dr. al-Dulaimi has asked all relevant international organization tovisit and document the destruction to Fallujah. The Head of the Compensation Committee reveals in numbers the FallujahTragedy March 21, 2005 (Islam Memo news item in Arabic - my translation)UN: Fallujah cost nears $500 million March 14, 2005 __ Search engine results on this report: http://tinyurl.com/88qud Search Yahoo! "Dr. Hafidh al-Dulaimi" Fallujah March 21, 2005Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I didn't write that Marilyn. I did respond to that post though. You must have replied to my post and snipped out my response which I have copied below after the post you erroneously attribute to me. Keith hates it when people do that. I've done it too by accident. Be careful Keith seems a little testy these days especially about the archives BTW great post otherwise :-) I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, utilities..I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General Hospital? That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva convention. The US government is clearly guilty of international war crimes. I don't understand why the people of that country are not doing anything about this. There are plenty of grounds for impeachment without anyone getting thier lips dirty!Joe___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Radioactive Leaks at Indian Point
I live 2.61 miles from the Indian Point Nuclear facility and this is what I have to deal with.MikeTHE BIG LEAK - SEPTEMBER, 2005Radioactive Leaks from Irradiated Fuel Pools Raise New Worries According to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) website, Indian Point 2s safety rating has been down rated from green to white status for the second quarter. Again, the NRC has been reticent in releasing significant safety information about the plant, although the rating change occurred in August, this information has only been recently released. The plant lost its green rating because of degradation to the safety injection system over a period of several weeksthis involved the accumulation of nitrogen gas in portions of the safety injection system which caused one pump to become inoperable and would have caused the performance of the two remaining pumps to become degraded.Mark Jacobs, spokesperson for the Indian Point Safe Energy Coalition (IPSEC) stated: Indian Point, the first nuclear reactor to be given a red rating by the NRC after the February 2000 steam generator leak, is again moving in the wrong direction. The current profile of problems including degradation of the safety injection system, faulty sirens, failing water pumps, defective emergency sump pumps, defective fireproofing of electrical cables, two leaking irradiated fuel pools, control rods dropping unexpectedly and a backlog of over a thousands repairs show Indian Point to be too great a risk for the surrounding community.The number of problems at the plant has raised the concern of state and local officials. In response to this pressure the NRC recently issued a "deviation" memo that called for increased scrutiny of the reactors. Margo Schepart of Westchester Citizens Awareness Network (WestCAN) said, "They can inspect it until the cows come home. What good is that going to do? It did not keep the spent fuel pool from leaking and it has not kept the water pump operating properly.We need to put an end to this nonsense. Indian Point is an aging plant that will unquestionably be closed. The only question is when. And the only rational answer is: as soon as possible. The minute this decision is made, the marketplace will have the incentive to develop replacement energy sources." As has been reported, problems with the spent fuel pool at Indian Point have resulted in the leak of the radioactive isotopes tritium, cesium and cobalt into the soil and groundwater surrounding the pools. It has just been discovered that there have been similar leaks at the decommissioned Connecticut Yankee nuclear plant. Connecticut Yankee reports the east side concrete wall shows some concentrations of cesium, cobalt, strontium and tritium, three of which are the same isotopes found leaking from the Indian Point fuel pool. In both cases it is not known when the leak started or how much water was lost from the spent fuel pool. In fact, the Indian Point 2 Spent fuel pool is the only one in the country that was built without leak detection channels between the steel liner and the concrete outer wall of the pool. Had the pool been built consistently with other plants designs, the leak would have been detected immediately. At Connecticut Yankee, monitoring equipment failed to detect a leak. The leaks were found much later by sampling water in nearby wells. In both cases radioactive isotopes are migrating away from the pool and possibly into ground water. In the case of Indian Point, the migration pathway includes the Hudson River . Marilyn Elie of WestCAN said, It is now evident that these pools have reached the end of their useful life. Reactors are like used cars, you can only keep patching them up for so long and then you just can't throw enough money at them to keep them operating safely. "It is unconscionable that nuclear corporations not only leak toxic materials, but act like its no big deal," said Deb Katz, executive director of Citizens Awareness Network. "Pool leakage is a systemic problem at aging reactor sites. In western MA, Yankee Rowe's compromised fuel pool leaked tritium as well as chemicals into the groundwater. Two of the tritium plumes are double the EPA drinking water standard. This violation of the community's trust is a big deal." While officials at Entergy continue to maintain that the amounts radioactive isotopes discovered in the water are below current regulatory limits, a recent report by the National Academy of Science determined that there is no such thing as a risk free low level of radiation. Moreover, long term exposure to low levels of radioactive isotopes is carcinogenic. Notably, regular and routine radioactive emissions are part of the everyday operation of nuclear reactors.Indian Point is located on the Wappinger 's fault line. This fault line has caused displacement problems with conduits in the past. Michel Lee of IPSEC questioned if earth tremors could have caused the cracks in the
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol
Hi Keith and All ; I had a bug infestation eating new leaves on some trees I was growing. The only thing I had handy was some 85% methanol. I used a hand pump spray bottle and sprayed it on, and the plants loved it, the bugs all died and haven't come back yet. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, and theorizing.
I have this hooked to a bank of deep cycle marine batteries, Do not use car batteries. Waste of money. Actually, in my experience, marine deep cycle batteries are a waste of money too. They are not true deep cycle batteries like ones designed for PV systems. We used a bank of four of these for years, and every year and a half, we'd be buying another one or two for $120 each from Sears. Part of the problem was that we would add two new batteries each time, and keep the best two of the previous batch. This is not a good idea, as the worst ones will pull the others down to their level. But I would still be suprised to get more than 4 or 5 years out of them. The ones designed for solar use will last 5 years easily, or perhaps 10 with care. And they don't cost that much more than marine deep cycle ones. About $90 for a 200AH 6 volt T-105 battery, or $230 for a 400AH more durable L-16HC one. If you can get the AGM batteries, they are the best, but do cost a bit more. I got two of them which were on their way to recycling from a decomissioned PV system (probably 5 years old when I got them), hooked them up to my PV system, and haven't looked at them for the past two years. Still have lights and sound every night, and fridge in the summer. Also, in battery bank design, it's best to have everything in series. If you have too many parallel strings, the current doesn't divide perfectly equally, and some batteries can fail before others. Obviously, you can't always avoid parallel strings, but this one a good reason to go to larger cells for the big banks, because it means fewer strings. You can actually get single cells with 2000 AH rating, but you'll need a forklift to move them too. Also, fewer, larger, cells are faster to service -- fewer caps to open and look in and add water too. Zeke On 11/30/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. I've already done most of this: I bought an aircooled small diesel $300.00 and use it to spin a GM small frame alternator. I put a larger sheve on the diesel to get the right speed. It puts out 1450 KW. I have this hooked to a bank of deep cycle marine batteries, Do not use car batteries. Waste of money. I have an 1800 watt inverter hooked to this. Total cost under 1,000.00. It runs on homebrew biodiesel. This was an el cheapo project - I use it to power my biodiesel processer/shed, and as back up power. If I were doing it over again/or was planning it to power a house: I would get a bigger small diesel (9-12 HP) and either buy a real genset or get a rebuild HO alternator. Many cars have 24 volt systems nowadays. You can also re-wind GM alternators for power output. I would get a water-cooled diesel engine and use the heat the keep the power shed/house warm. I would wire a system that would start the motor when the power in the battery array dropped to a certain level. The farther down you drain the batteries, the faster they wear out. I would have bought more batteries. I have 4. I would like 8-10. 57.00 ea at Costco. I would add at least one PV array. Isulate/soundproof the power shed. It's loud. Go to 24 v if you can, or even 48 v. Spend the money to get a pure sine wave converter. On your prevous questions, I've installed a second alternator - - I used a GM and an old Chrysler mechanical regulator. I used to be in the towing business and used the rig for quick starts. This was 20 years ago, tho'. Now I would just buy a more powerful alternator - with the advent of giant sound systems there are a lot of places rebuilding them for more power. Not knowing what kind of car you have, it's hard to answer. If you happen to have a 1 ton truck with a diesel motor and a PTO (power take off) you're home free. If not, Evergreen is right, it's way too much hassle. Look at point 4. Email me if you want the specifics of my system. -Mike Evergreen Solutions wrote: Michael, Unless my gmail is lying, and it might be, I didn't see other repsonses to this email. I'd just like to ask a couple questions (and say thanks for the chest freezer/fridge, that thing is awesome!) 1. Having recently replaced several alternators, I'm wondering how you would plan to add *additional* alternators to your car, since they're spun by a belt generally connected to the waterpump and the camshaft assembly? 2. Adding to the previous question...you're talking about adding additional drag to the motor, which will degrade your performance/fuel economy, much like an air conditioner. 3. Were I you I might consider swapping for a heavy duty alternator + sound system capacitor + 6-8 gauge wire routed to your trunk to power your Grid. 4. Even better than that, build/buy a small bd generator to power them/whatever else you have around. 5. Charging a DEAD battery is tough, since they're not designed to go completely DEAD and will need replaced quickly if they do completely die. W/ a
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
This news item was also shown on the BBC news last night (Tues 11/29), including a shot of David Keogh being arrested for leaking the information. This may help those who think the story is phony to rethink their opinion. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious. But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men. Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war. Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage. Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week. Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10. He said Mr O'Connor had behaved perfectly correctly. Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment. Copyright - The Mirror ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] HDPE Drums Washing
Dear All, Has anybody ever tried to wash a 55-gallon (200 litre) HDPE drums? Please share your experience. Thanks PJW ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, and theorizing.
I never made the transition to metric. Still using furlongs per fortnite. Anyway, 100gpm is about 800 pounds per minute(830 is closer but. . .) and 25 feet would be 800x25 or 20,000 foot pounds. A horsepower is 33,000 foot pounds/minute so you are looking at about 2/3 of a horsepower for 1 minute. In electrical terms a horsepower is about 750 (746) watts and 2/3 of that is 500 watts for 1 minute or 0.5/60 kwhr or 1/120 of a kilowatt hour.KirkJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok well according to them (your link) they are indicating that from a similar height (25 ft) 100 GPM will result in 300 watts being generated. My example released 400 gallons in 10 seconds and I calculated 160 watts. But my example has 4 times as much water in one sixth the time so why do I not get 24 times as much power?? I must be overlooking something obvious here... I could have used the wrong formula but I checked it and it was the right equationscroll down http://www.answers.com/topic/watt This is the basic definition of power i.e. force through distance over time.What gives??JoeZeke Yewdall wrote: Take a look a the standard calculations for microhydro power systems. You need quite a bit of water, with decent head, to get any power. http://www.harrishydro.com/determineoutput.html On 3/2/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trying to do one of those back of envelope calculations but the numbers I came up with are depressingly low. IIRC the formula for power in watts is (Kg*m^2*s^-3) So for a sample calculation I considered the following; 25mm of rain will fill my cistern which consists of 8, 50 gallon drums or roughly 1600 liters of water. If I had placed the cistern on stilts (strong ones) at roof level (roughly 10 m) I would have 1600 Kg at 10 m head. If I released all this water and it went through a 100 % efficient turbine in 10 seconds I could generate 160 watts during that time according to the above formula. Did I do something really dumb here or is that realistic?I feel like I missed somethingI hope.JoeEvergreen Solutions wrote: 7. In high school I had visions of a device for recharging batteries that went something like this: captures rain in a funnelled system (big opening = more rain), rain travels downhill turning a series of wheels/cogs that via a system of gears works down to a very tight ratio (one spin of the first wheel = ~10 of the smalll wheel) which spin alternators to generate a charge to the batteries. The higher the system starts aerially, the more primary wheels, the more kinetic energy. Never built it, but...seemed reasonable. Then you could use your captured rainwater for your crops/drinking/whatever. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Actually Kansas has been taxing alternate fuel vehicles for years. Those who use propane have to pay yearly based on an estimated miles to be driven and are issued a windshield sticker. Doug - Original Message - On 11/27/05, Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I caught a piece of something on the news about the US Guvmint wanting to tax alternate fuel vehicles so they can pay their fair share of highway maintenance costs. Anyone know anything about this? AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
