Re: [Biofuel] The Death of US Engineering
Not in the US at least. Doug - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Death of US Engineering Maybe now isn't that best time to get an electrical engineering degree :-/Will K On 6/23/06, D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Death of US EngineeringBy Paul Craig RobertsThe May payroll jobs report released June 2 by the Bureau of LaborStatistics confirms the jobs pattern for the 21st century US economy:employment growth is limited to domestic services.In May the economy created only 67,000 private sector jobs. Jobestimates for the previous two months were reduced by 37,000.The new jobs are as follows: professional and business services, 27,000;education and health services, 41,000; waitresses and bartenders,10,000. Manufacturing lost 14,000 jobs.Total hours worked in the private sector declined in May.Manufacturing hours worked are 6.6 percent less than when the recoverybegan four and one-half years ago.American economists and policymakers are in denial about the effect ofjobs offshoring on US employment. Corporate lobbyists have purchasedfraudulent studies from economists that claim offshoring results in moreUS employment rather than less. The same lobbyists have spreaddisinformation that the US does not graduate enough engineers and thatthey must import foreigners on work visas.Lobbyists are currently pushing, as part of the immigration bill, anexpansion in annual H-1B work visas from 65,000 to 115,000.The alleged "shortage" of US engineering graduates is inconsistent withreports from Duke University that 30 to 40 percent of students in itsmaster's of engineering management program accept jobs outside theprofession. About one-third of engineering graduates from MIT go intocareers outside their field. Job outsourcing and work visas for foreignengineers are reducing career opportunities for American engineeringgraduates and, also, reducing salary scales.When employers allege a shortage of engineers, they mean that there is ashortage of American graduates who will work for the low salaries thatforeigners will accept. Americans are simply being forced out of theengineering professions by jobs outsourcing and the importation offoreigners on work visas. Corporate lobbyists and their hired economistsare destroying the American engineering professions.American engineering is also under pressure because corporations havemoved manufacturing offshore. Design, research and development are nowfollowing manufacturing offshore. A country that doesn't make thingsdoesn't need engineers and designers. Corporations that have movedmanufacturing offshore fund RD in the countries where their plants havebeen relocated.Engineering curriculums are demanding. The rewards to the effort arebeing squeezed out by jobs offshoring and work visas. If the currentpolicy continues of substituting foreign engineers for Americanengineers, the profession will die in the US.---Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reaganadministration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journaleditorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He iscoauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at:[EMAIL PROTECTED]___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. - is OK part000.txt - is OK part001.htm - is OK part001.txt - is OKhttp://www.eset.com Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK part001.htm - is OK http://www.eset.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Class Warfare: The Minimum Wage Goes Down
John- one problem is if even you own property outright you haven't eliminated your debt. The tax man will still demand payment. As will the insurance man if the use of said property brings mandatory liability insurance coverage. That's not to say you wouldn't be better off owning property outright. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. When all else fails- Amateur Radio http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/pscm/sec1-ch1.html ARES John Mullan wrote: snipped Economic crash and the re-issue of currency has happened before and has to happen again. To survive, eliminate your debt and try desperately to own all your property out-right. Just my two-cents worth. Cheers, John ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring
Unless the plastic film is of real good quality is better to use two thin layers at times, stops shorts as the chances of two poor spots in the plastic coinciding with each other would be very slim. This is why older dialectric units used double layers of paper films in wax or other substances to expel water. Doug - Original Message - From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring Jason Katie wrote: its pretty simple theory, take two dielectric layers (i.e. extremely thin plastic) and layer them between two foil layers like so- --- being plasticwrap/thin wax paper/other being foil -- /// -- /// and stagger pin/tape one end of each to a paper towel roll, dowel rod or other non conductor. make a connection to each layer of foil and roll the layers into a tight spool. it will take a lot of foil and dielectric but when it just fits inside the bucket it should measure in the full farad ranges (a pair of cofee cans in oil measures about 0.125F So the foil and dielectric layers move in spirals expanding outward, or there are independent rings of foil, dielectric, foil, dielectric, and so forth, and you tie all the foil layers together? Sorry, I'm a visual person, so I'm trying to imagine this while waiting for work uniforms to finish going through the laundry. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Class Warfare: The Minimum Wage Goes Down
Hallo MR, Monday, 26 June, 2006, 16:33:10, you wrote: MR Hi John, MR I don't mean to be a pain in the ass And I do. ;o) MR but, your focus is on company profits, re-issue of currency, and MR monetary greed - not a common denominator in an explanation on why MR both capitalist and communist societies would fail. As it should be. Greed, mammon, lust for power and control. Pretty much all just different slices of the same pie. MR At least for now, it's not an explanation that makes sense to me. MR More to the point, governments irrespective of the model they MR follow, fail because citizens do not realize the importance of MR participation (IMHO). Now brother, take a look at what you are talking about, or at least what I think you are talking about. I think you are trying to address a problem of morality with politics. Also, it is interesting that so many folks think capitalism and communism are political systems when they are economic systems at their root, branch and leaf. These systems are all concerned with who controls the wealth. Politics is perhaps more how it is controlled. Things have become blurred with time. Then again I could have it all wrong. hahaha The problem is a moral one not one of participation. If the participants don't have a high moral standard but are rather on the low side of the scale are you going to like what you get even with 100% participation? How about if the participants are dumber than clams and docile as sheep and those at the top are greedy swine (sound at all familiar), but you are getting 100% participation? Heart changes - mind follows. I would say to get the heart right and associate informally, create networks, which would obviate the necessity of government and be there in the event of a catastrophic failure of some sort from whatever cause, natural, political or otherwise. Participate as one is able and inclined, but don't get lost on the way from here to there. Make sure that you are part of the backup system with a heart. Be prepared to give and receive help as necessary and as able. Ready for the broken record part? Requirements are self-restraint, -discipline, a healthy sense of responsibility, love of ones neighbors and recognition that we are ALL neighbors, co-operation, non-violence, non-resistance (returning good for evil-you can't teach non-violence by coercion of any sort), loving service to ones neighbors (see above), sharing your toys (knowledge, skills, time, food, tools, whatever is necessary to get the job done). Oh Lord, patience! Recognizing that all the folks aren't evil they just don't know any better. Build on the positive things brother. Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative. How could I forget that? This is all religion to me. Others call it something else and that is fine, no problem, but for me it is a matter of religion. Not the go to the organized church every Sunday, one way and only one way type of thing which is creed and dogma not religion, but the love your neighbor as yourself and display the fruits of that love by service to your neighbors type of religion. No, not humanism. It is a thing where some of the attributes can be shown but not all and it is beyond description and definition. If you can put it in a box it isn't the thing. The real leaders do so by example not because they have control. Does anyone think Bush is a leader? He is a controller. Flat out. The leaders are out there in their communities making a real, lasting difference. They aren't looking for votes or trying to control others they are helping others. If it requires a thank you it is neither a gift nor is it free. Well, brother, you have had enough of my blather by now I suspect. I will turn the same old same old off. Well maybe not. It is what is right not what is accepted or legal. Take care. Stay well and happy. Happy Happy, Gustl MR - Redler MR John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MR I believe that either economic model (communist or capitalist) is MR destined to collapse, sooner or later. One of the main factors being MR greed. Greed is what causes inflation. Companies are driven to make MR more profit. People need more income to purchase the higher priced MR items they need AND want (ie; form of greed). MR In my area, I know many people earning minimum wage (Canada) and even MR simple one-room apartments tax their ability to have any disposable MR income. But there are also many companies that would be hard pressed to MR increase their prices such as to pay significantly more than minimum MR wage and still have a decent customer base. MR Add to the picture the coming death of cheap energy and the picture MR becomes even more bleak. MR Economic crash and the re-issue of currency has happened before and has MR to happen again. To
Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring
its a spiral. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring Jason Katie wrote: its pretty simple theory, take two dielectric layers (i.e. extremely thin plastic) and layer them between two foil layers like so- --- being plasticwrap/thin wax paper/other being foil -- /// -- /// and stagger pin/tape one end of each to a paper towel roll, dowel rod or other non conductor. make a connection to each layer of foil and roll the layers into a tight spool. it will take a lot of foil and dielectric but when it just fits inside the bucket it should measure in the full farad ranges (a pair of cofee cans in oil measures about 0.125F So the foil and dielectric layers move in spirals expanding outward, or there are independent rings of foil, dielectric, foil, dielectric, and so forth, and you tie all the foil layers together? Sorry, I'm a visual person, so I'm trying to imagine this while waiting for work uniforms to finish going through the laundry. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.4/375 - Release Date: 6/25/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.4/375 - Release Date: 6/25/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring
Hi Jeff; First let me say I am not a nuclear proponent. Quite the opposite. But I read your post and I thought, ok if they raise the rates because of the cost for comissioning and decommissioning, then how is it that they make more money? I am not arguing that the rates go up. Here in Ontario where we have reactors that can't be kept online due to hydrogen embrittlment of the fuel rods and other problems(candu reactors) the huge debts incurred by the reactors are painful in what it is costing us. Terrible technology no matter how you look at it. But are you saying they raise the rates more than what is justified? Can you substantiate this? I'm interested. Joe Jeff Lyles wrote: I have work at nuclear plants before. There are not design to reduce energy consumption. They are design to make money for the power companies. They do this as follows. First, they raise electric rates to be able to pay for the construction of the plant. It takes an average of 20 years to pay for the construction of the plant. Second, when they close the plant down, they raise the electric rates again to pay for the decommissioning of the plant. In between those times, they do as little as maintenance work as possible so that they can keep the plant online as much as possible. So, in the end, you close down the plant because the amount of work, including maintenance, is so much that it is not cost effective to do it. In the end, nuclear plants make the power company money by giving them a good reason to raise their electric rates and fail to show how long term dependence upon nuclear plants can lower and keep rates stabilized. One case in point in Trojan Nuclear Plant. It was close down and decommission because of the amount of work that needed to be done on it, including replacing the steam generators. Trojan operated for around 30 years, give or take. If nuclear plants were the solution to the problem, then the nuclear plants built 30 years ago would be pointed to as shining examples of why we need nuclear power. But, instead, the nuclear industry is not wanting the public to think or go see how they are doing. There is a very good reason for this. As the saying goes, connect the dots. Jeff - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring chem.dd, Have a look at what Chernobyl is like now. It's not like you really get a second chance when you screw up with nuclear. FWIW, I think if you had started your post with: Here are examples of nulclear power working successfully; the problems that caused Three Mile Island and Chernobyl are now solved - here's the proof: (insert proof) perhaps it merits a second look for these reasons 1,2,3, you would have had a better response. You mention scientific and engineering but then no examples or research. I think you set yourself up to get hammered. And no, I personally don't think nuclear power is a good option, but would read a well-constructed post as to why I'm wrong. -Weaver scientific and engineering, as opposed to the politically correct view, the use of nuclear energy is the solution. ( Please don't scream Three Mile Island and Chernobyl) Fission reactors will have to do until we develop a functional fusion reactor which is by its physics inherently safe. Please let me know your thoughts on this. jtcava wrote: I'm getting the idea that I wouldn't want many of the people here on this online comunity anywhere near me when sh*t happens. It is my outlook that everybody has something to offer in a true survival situation. John Keith Addison wrote: I would think this is the ideal forum for discussing any aspects and options for reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, particularly in terms of sustainability. Indeed it is, as a great deal of previous discussion residing in the list archives will attest, covering, I'm sure, all aspects of the issue. What is truly sad is closed mindedness. Wouldn't you think, David, that's it's perhaps a little closed-minded to arrive at a mature forum such as this and just naturally assume such an obvious subject hasn't been dealt with here before in the last six years? I think the reason Robert would be laughing if only it wasn't so sad is that your argument has had all the substance shot right out of it long ago. It's also a little closed-minded to to assume that it's Robert who's being closed-minded, apparently without checking first to see what he might have posted on the subject before, or even checking his website, though he provides the url. This, eg: http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/p5.htm Ranger Supercharger Project Maybe you owe him an apology. I have to say the same for your views on nuclear power: From an objective scientific and engineering, as opposed to the politically correct view,
Re: [Biofuel] Never seen wash problem
Hi Andrew; The acidic water may have encouraged rust. I have tried hot water and found it to be an improvement so I don't think that is it. I am no chemist but I understand that water is a polar molecule and oil is non polar so they normally don't like to hang out together but if there is something like a soap which has one end that likes water and the other end that likes oil it works something like a religious official who can join a man and a woman ( which also naturally don't like each other) and you have a problem ( in both cases of course) called an emulsion. Funny I never realized it before. God help me if I ever feel like getting emulsified again! There must have been something else in the water or fuel. It could be something small. Sometimes a small drop of surfactant for instance in a large amount of water can change it's property dramatically. How reliable is your water supply? Joe Tonomár András wrote: Joe, the water is from the household water heater and is not conditioned. It sounds stupid but my first idea was that the water was too hot than I added 0,1l vinegar to break the emulsion. Is this a reason for the brown powder? Andrew - Original Message - From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Never seen wash problem Hi Andrew; Is the water you used conditioned by a water softener? Joe Tonomár András wrote: Dear List members, I need your ideas of what went worng with my washing I make 45 l batches for almost a year now and I have only had minor emulsion problems in the first wash that I could handle pretty good with hot water or some vinegar. I make BD from WVO with 2 stage base - base, and I stir wash it all the time. Today morning I started to do the 5th (last wash) on my batch. the previous (4th) wash water was see through but not chrystal clear. The fuel handeled stir washing very well - long time, and even high rpm. As I stired for the 5th what I got was a thick emulsion. I am shocked The wash water is from the household water heater, ph 7 and around 60 deg C Overall tempreture of the mix is around 35 - 40 deg C. The emulsion separated in a couple hours and as I drained the wash water a brown layer remained on the inside wall of the wash tank. This looks like rust But it is not rust I just don't get it. Do you??? Never ever had such a problem before. Any ideas? Thanks Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] satellite dish collectors
300 watts in a 1.5 litre reator is A LOT! I use 375 watts to heat 30 litres in my prototype batch reactor. Joe Ken Provost wrote: On Jun 25, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Jason Katie wrote: does anyone know if a regular 2'x1.5' satellite dish (primestar i think) will work for a solar collector? Pretty small -- 300 watts of insolation at best. Figure a typical small stove burner puts out 1000 watts at least. Now one of those early satellite dishes five feet in diameter would catch a LOT of rays -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Interactive Mapping of Alternative Fuel Stations across the US
FYI To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Interactive Mapping of Alternative Fuel Stations across the US From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Hi, I am writing to let persons interested in alternative fuels know that MapMuse.com has recently introduced interactive mapping of biodiesel fuel stations and ethanol 85 fuel stations across the US. There are presently over 650 ethanol 85 fuel stations, and 350 biodiesel fuel stations located on the MapMuse maps. The idea is for alternative fuel enthusiasts to build upon what we have started by adding information about their local ethanol 85, and biodiesel fuel stations to the maps. The following information can be provided for each station- the name, descriptive text, a photo, contact information, and a link to a website. Through this kind of community effort, we hope to have the most comprehensive, and descriptive maps for the public to locate alternative fuel stations at home, and on their travels. So we invite you to let others know about what is available in your community. There is an ADD and EDIT feature on the site (you can refer to http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/mmFAQ.htm#A4 if you have questions about making changes). Once a visitor suggests a change, it is reviewed for appropriateness and then posted within a few hours. This service constitutes free advertising for the alternative fuel stations. You can view the alternative fuels maps by going to MapMuse.com, and selecting View All Interests. Alternatively, the following links will take you directly to the alternative fuels maps: For ethanol 85 fuel stations, see: http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/interest.php?brandID=ETHANOL85 For biodiesel fuel stations, see: http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/interest.php?brandID=BIODIESEL If you are not familiar with MapMuse.com, we are a highly trafficked mapping website with an Alexa traffic rating of approximately 14,000 in the world. MapMuseÄôs goal is to help people find places related to their interests. MapMuse continues to add new topics of interest each week. If you have a topic that you would like to see mapped (energy related or not), you can suggest the interest on the MapMuse site, and there is a good chance it will be addressed. If you find our maps useful, we would appreciate it if you would pass the word on to like-minded friends. And if you have an alternative fuel related website, blog or newsletter, a mention or a link would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cindy Jett MapMuse.com 1326 14th Street NW Washington, DC 20005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
sorry, bad explanation again. i meant as a lubricant not a fuel, i believe it was kieth who pointed me at information about castor oil. it breaks down under heat and pressure and the lubricative properties are enhanced after a period of use. the problem is if it breaks down too far, it turns to a thick messy sludge with little or no continuing benefit as a lubricant. Jason This one I think: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm CASTOR OIL They prevent the final breakdown with additives: Unfortunately, the end byproduct of this process is what we refer to as varnish. So, you can't have everything, but you can come close by running a mixture of castor oil with polyalkylene glycol like Union Carbide's UCON, or their MA 731. This mixture has some synergistic properties, or better properties than either product had alone. Best Keith ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Zeke Yewdall To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans I tried using biodiesel (probably about 25% biodiesel/75% gasoline) in a lawnmower. Smokey startup, and stalled right away. I think the primitive lawnmower carb couldn't vaporize the biodiesel effectively -- relying on the vaccuum from the engine to suck the fuel out of the tank into the carb probably didn't help either (it would start every time when you used the primer bulb, but stall right out). Makes me want to try it on a fuel injected gas engine that could probably manage to actually get the biodiesel mix into the cylinders though. On 6/26/06, Jason Katie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i wanted to try this also, i have a mostly scrap lawnmower engine that is good for experiments of this nature. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]lres1 To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans Have had many years ago engines like steam driven units that used good castor oil as their engine lubricants. Some of this was fed through adjustable sight feed lubricators to open shafts and some was in dip pans where a ring was inserted to the centre of a bearing but of large diameter and thus the ring was in the oil and slowly picked up the oil and dropped it to the shafts. A similar system was used in Comet and Southern Cross wind pumps running on white metal bearings and or hard wood bearings. The oil for the later being of many mixed varieties of what could be had. Has any one run straight castor oil as stand alone engine oil in the sump of an engine without using any other additives? I have used it but only in small model engines and not as a fully synthetic stand alone in a car or SUV. Any ideas? Doug - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mike Redler To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans Hi Juan, I saw the word beans and thought of a climbing plant, like a string bean. ...bad assumption. I'm definitely NOT a farmer. Anyway, I'll check Keith's links. Thanks. -Redler Juan Boveda wrote: Hello Mike Redler. That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links. Best Regards. Juan Boveda Paraguay -original- From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: 3/30/ 2006 5:38 For: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from Castor Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel brewing using small-scale plants? I am told that castor oil dissolves in alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process. I'm also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freeze even below -20 deg C. Any pointers to more specific info along these lines? I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll start with proven processes and materials described on J2FE), but we could do with as much existing wisdom as we can get our hands on, especially because what we want to get into out here is not only for our personal consumption. Many thanks in advance for any help. Chandan Hi Chandan I can't share any experience of using castor oil but I
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided toput someBD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then. Tom - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom,I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining. This could be the case with your methanol drum. I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure. Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L)drumsthat methanol came in. They are blue tanks with "VP Racing" on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and "are lined" with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] An Inconvenient Truth
Video that continues 'what you can do' in the film. The story at the beginning is pretty funny, too. http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=al_goreflashEnabled=1 http://www.climatecrisis.net/ On 6/26/06, Sarath G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw the movie this weekend and I was very impressed by the story and facts. Not that this is a new topic to any of the members on this list, but the portrayal of clear and present dangers of looming climate change are well illustrated and makes an extra effort to bring this issue to public focus. Sarath ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Methoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good... Thomas Kelly wrote: Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then. Tom - Original Message - *From:* Will Kelleher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining. This could be the case with your methanol drum. I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure. Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Death of US Engineering
Even if they are available for purchase it would help if someone would level the playing field. The ruling class and their corporations have centralized everything (monopolized). You need permission from the public utility commission for example to sell power from your waterwheel to a neighbor if it crosses a road. I think the law is unchanged in this. So utility generation on a microscale bounded by roads faces much less regulation. Current trends are higher prices and lower reliability. Sounds like a need to be filled.Small water cooled diesels operated as cogen units offer much in cooler locations. The economictrick is needing heat. Last time I penciled it the power was about 5 cents per kwhour - and that was mostly amortising machinery Fuel was 10% of the bill as I recall. KirkZeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. My engineering degree may not get me a job (well, it did, but it was lousy pay, and in a cube), but it (along with alot of hands on experience) will aid immensly when I need to deal with the crazy world we are entering when services such as electricity, food, heat, water, etc, are not just available for purchase, but when we must find our own ways of getting them. On 6/26/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Will,I earned my B.S. in mechanical engineering technology in 1992 and worked as a mechanical design engineer for seven years. Frustrated by the lack of legitimate and rewarding work, I earned a BSEE in 2000 with the idea that you must apply theory to something which has no moving parts. The math and applied science has to stay in tact. That turned out to be partially true and I worked on analog circuit design and motor controls for another seven years. Anyway, my advice to you is stay sharp, learn what you can and go for that degree (if that's your ambition) because eventually, the industries which were abandoned will need help in the coming recovery, one which (IMO) will last a generation. ...an optimists point of view of one of the most destructive and incompetent US administrations ever.-Redler Will Kelleher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe now isn't that best time to get an electrical engineering degree :-/ Will K On 6/23/06, D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The Death of US EngineeringBy Paul Craig RobertsThe May payroll jobs report released June 2 by the Bureau of LaborStatistics confirms the jobs pattern for the 21st century US economy:employment growth is limited to domestic services. In May the economy created only 67,000 private sector jobs. Jobestimates for the previous two months were reduced by 37,000.The new jobs are as follows: professional and business services, 27,000;education and health services, 41,000; waitresses and bartenders, 10,000. Manufacturing lost 14,000 jobs.Total hours worked in the private sector declined in May.Manufacturing hours worked are 6.6 percent less than when the recoverybegan four and one-half years ago. American economists and policymakers are in denial about the effect ofjobs offshoring on US employment. Corporate lobbyists have purchasedfraudulent studies from economists that claim offshoring results in more US employment rather than less. The same lobbyists have spreaddisinformation that the US does not graduate enough engineers and thatthey must import foreigners on work visas. [snip]___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] satellite dish collectors
that was my hope. i didnt want to waste my time for less success than i needed. ill try it, and maybe if i can get a lathe for my birthday (riiight...) i will hammer together(probably buy) a little stirling to play with. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] satellite dish collectors 300 watts in a 1.5 litre reator is A LOT! I use 375 watts to heat 30 litres in my prototype batch reactor. Joe Ken Provost wrote: On Jun 25, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Jason Katie wrote: does anyone know if a regular 2'x1.5' satellite dish (primestar i think) will work for a solar collector? Pretty small -- 300 watts of insolation at best. Figure a typical small stove burner puts out 1000 watts at least. Now one of those early satellite dishes five feet in diameter would catch a LOT of rays -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.4/375 - Release Date: 6/25/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
i wonder if i could use the castor oil as a lube and after an oil change use it for BD? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans sorry, bad explanation again. i meant as a lubricant not a fuel, i believe it was kieth who pointed me at information about castor oil. it breaks down under heat and pressure and the lubricative properties are enhanced after a period of use. the problem is if it breaks down too far, it turns to a thick messy sludge with little or no continuing benefit as a lubricant. Jason This one I think: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm CASTOR OIL They prevent the final breakdown with additives: Unfortunately, the end byproduct of this process is what we refer to as varnish. So, you can't have everything, but you can come close by running a mixture of castor oil with polyalkylene glycol like Union Carbide's UCON, or their MA 731. This mixture has some synergistic properties, or better properties than either product had alone. Best Keith ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Zeke Yewdall To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans I tried using biodiesel (probably about 25% biodiesel/75% gasoline) in a lawnmower. Smokey startup, and stalled right away. I think the primitive lawnmower carb couldn't vaporize the biodiesel effectively -- relying on the vaccuum from the engine to suck the fuel out of the tank into the carb probably didn't help either (it would start every time when you used the primer bulb, but stall right out). Makes me want to try it on a fuel injected gas engine that could probably manage to actually get the biodiesel mix into the cylinders though. On 6/26/06, Jason Katie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i wanted to try this also, i have a mostly scrap lawnmower engine that is good for experiments of this nature. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]lres1 To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans Have had many years ago engines like steam driven units that used good castor oil as their engine lubricants. Some of this was fed through adjustable sight feed lubricators to open shafts and some was in dip pans where a ring was inserted to the centre of a bearing but of large diameter and thus the ring was in the oil and slowly picked up the oil and dropped it to the shafts. A similar system was used in Comet and Southern Cross wind pumps running on white metal bearings and or hard wood bearings. The oil for the later being of many mixed varieties of what could be had. Has any one run straight castor oil as stand alone engine oil in the sump of an engine without using any other additives? I have used it but only in small model engines and not as a fully synthetic stand alone in a car or SUV. Any ideas? Doug - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mike Redler To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans Hi Juan, I saw the word beans and thought of a climbing plant, like a string bean. ...bad assumption. I'm definitely NOT a farmer. Anyway, I'll check Keith's links. Thanks. -Redler Juan Boveda wrote: Hello Mike Redler. That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links. Best Regards. Juan Boveda Paraguay -original- From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: 3/30/ 2006 5:38 For: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from Castor Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel brewing using small-scale plants? I am told that castor oil dissolves in alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process. I'm also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freeze even below -20 deg C. Any pointers to more specific info along these lines? I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll start with proven processes and
[Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
Hello all, I'm interested ingetting adiesel generator. A friend has offered me a VW Rabbit diesel engine (48HP) and says it would be great to power a generator. It seems a bit overkill. I was looking at 4 - 6 HP. Guidance here would be appreciated. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Mike, I used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank and to my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel exposure. Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Methoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good... Thomas Kelly wrote: Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then. Tom - Original Message - *From:* Will Kelleher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining. This could be the case with your methanol drum. I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure. Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] compost
will clay cat litter (used as directed on package...) hurt compost? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
maybe rig up 2 or 3 generators to it? use a heavy motorcycle chain maybe? JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:34 PM Subject: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator Hello all, I'm interested ingetting adiesel generator. A friend has offered me a VW Rabbit diesel engine (48HP) and says it would be great to power a generator. It seems a bit overkill. I was looking at 4 - 6 HP. Guidance here would be appreciated. Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
Yeah, I'd rig up several generators to it. Or better yet, you can buy 10 - 20kW generators from northerntool.com which are meant to be driven off of PTO's from tractors. If you are running the rabbit engine at a nice 1,800 or 2,000 rpm instead of redlined at 4,500 where the 48 hp is measured, it should be alot happier long term, and still provide somewhere around 20 horsepower -- or about 15kW (maybe more like 12kW if you count inefficiency). You don't want to run it at too low of power though, or it won't run hot enough, and efficiency will go down, stuff will get carbonned up, and such. Sort of like cars that are always used for short run errands. ZekeOn 6/27/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe rig up 2 or 3 generators to it? use a heavy motorcycle chain maybe? JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:34 PM Subject: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator Hello all, I'm interested ingetting adiesel generator. A friend has offered me a VW Rabbit diesel engine (48HP) and says it would be great to power a generator. It seems a bit overkill. I was looking at 4 - 6 HP. Guidance here would be appreciated. Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
I'll try that - bear in mind this epoxy was exposed to methoxide, not finished BD. The methoxide really did a number on it. It may well be fine for BD storage and washing. Thomas Kelly wrote: Mike, I used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank and to my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel exposure. Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Methoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good... Thomas Kelly wrote: Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then. Tom - Original Message - *From:* Will Kelleher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining. This could be the case with your methanol drum. I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure. Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
Take the motor anyway! Is it any good? It'll fit a lot cars. Thomas Kelly wrote: Hello all, I'm interested in getting a diesel generator. A friend has offered me a VW Rabbit diesel engine (48HP) and says it would be great to power a generator. It seems a bit overkill. I was looking at 4 - 6 HP. Guidance here would be appreciated. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
Yeah, Mike's got a point. It'll pretty much bolt into any volkswagen, diesel or gas, made between 1977 and 1996 or thereabouts. If it's a good engine, you might be able to find an old VW jetta with a toasted engine, drop it in, and have a biodiesel car. On 6/27/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take the motor anyway!Is it any good?It'll fit a lot cars.Thomas Kelly wrote: Hello all,I'm interested in getting a diesel generator. A friend has offered me a VW Rabbit diesel engine (48HP) and says it would be great to power a generator. It seems a bit overkill. I was looking at 4 - 6 HP.Guidance here would be appreciated. Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
I've also used JB weld to attach the temp sensor to the engine block on my VW, and so far, it has survived 6 months of biodiesel exposure (fuel line leak soaked entire engine) and regular heating to 190 - 225F. I do know that brake fluid will slowly dissolve JB weld though. I used it to seal a hole in the brake booster of my bus (non pressure side of the brake fluid), and after a year or so, it was more like jello, and fell off again. On 6/27/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike,I used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank andto my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel exposure. Tom- Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Methoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good... Thomas Kelly wrote: Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan color.I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then. Tom - Original Message - *From:* Will Kelleher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining.This could be the case with your methanol drum.I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure.Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all,I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter.I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line.Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it?Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
brake fluid will eat ANYTHING if you let it. so will bologna mystery meat. leave a slab of the bologna on a car hood in the sun for 45 minutes and you have a perfectly lunchmeat shaped hole in your paint. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel I've also used JB weld to attach the temp sensor to the engine block on my VW, and so far, it has survived 6 months of biodiesel exposure (fuel line leak soaked entire engine) and regular heating to 190 - 225F. I do know that brake fluid will slowly dissolve JB weld though. I used it to seal a hole in the brake booster of my bus (non pressure side of the brake fluid), and after a year or so, it was more like jello, and fell off again. On 6/27/06, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike,I used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank andto my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel exposure. Tom- Original Message - From: "Mike Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Methoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good... Thomas Kelly wrote: Will, Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. The inside walls are a smooth light tan color.I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then. Tom - Original Message - *From:* Will Kelleher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Tom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drums with an epoxy lining.This could be the case with your methanol drum.I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure.Hope that helps. Will Kelleher On 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all,I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter.I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with "VP Racing" on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and "are lined" with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line.Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it?Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Good point. One question I have on the tendancy of biodiesel to dissolve stuff. How much of that is due to biodiesel itself, and how much is due to unwashed biodiesel which may still contain methanol and such? Though hopefully no methoxide any more. I know my ASTM biodiesel that I bought is still trying to eat the new fuel hoses on my VW, so that shouldn't be attributable to methanol in there, but of all the anecdotes we hear about biodiesel eating lines, how many of those people are using unwashed biodiesel? On 6/27/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try that - bear in mind this epoxy was exposed to methoxide, notfinished BD.The methoxide really did a number on it.It may well befine for BD storage and washing.Thomas Kelly wrote:Mike, I used JB Weld (epoxy?) to attach some fittings to my settling tank andto my wash tank. It has held up very well to biodiesel exposure. Tom- Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing BiodieselMethoxide seemed to chew up my epoxy pretty good...Thomas Kelly wrote: Will,Thanks for the reply. I dropped a light inside the tank. Theinside walls are a smooth light tan color. I decided to put some BD in one of them. I have 3 - 4 months until heating season. We'll see what happens between now and then.Tom- Original Message -*From:* Will Kelleher mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto: biofuel@sustainablelists.org*Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2006 4:44 PM*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing BiodieselTom, I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon steel drumswith an epoxy lining.This could be the case with your methanoldrum.I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but I don't know for sure.Hope that helps.Will KelleherOn 6/18/06, *Thomas Kelly* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello to all, I would like to start storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter. I have two 55 gallon (209L) drums that methanol came in.They are blue tanks with VP Racing on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and are lined withsomething. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel line. Will they make suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. It is apparently a featurethat makes them more valuable for methanol storage, but willbiodiesel dissolve it? Tom ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
I have a 4.7 HP Changfa I've been happy with - it runs a 100 amp GM alternator - I get about 1200 watts out of it. I think it would easily run a 200 amp, or just buy a genset from Grainger if you want AC current. I expect it would handle 3000 - 4000 watts. It doesn't use much fuel but it is noisy - needs to be in a shed unless you are rural. -Mike ason Katie wrote: maybe rig up 2 or 3 generators to it? use a heavy motorcycle chain maybe? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - *From:* Thomas Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:34 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator Hello all, I'm interested in getting a diesel generator. A friend has offered me a VW Rabbit diesel engine (48HP) and says it would be great to power a generator. It seems a bit overkill. I was looking at 4 - 6 HP. Guidance here would be appreciated. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
Jason Katie wrote: brake fluid will eat ANYTHING if you let it. so will bologna mystery meat. leave a slab of the bologna on a car hood in the sun for 45 minutes and you have a perfectly lunchmeat shaped hole in your paint. Mmmm, preservatives! Imagine what those do to your digestive system. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel
this is only one of the reasons i dont eat bologna, the other is i know the quality of the meat they put in it. And I Quote: If it hits the floor it goes in the bologna and hot dog pot- a friend of mine used to work in a meat packing plant and that is exactly what they did. (he quit and wont eat anything but deer meat he hunts and cleans for himself now.) Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel Jason Katie wrote: brake fluid will eat ANYTHING if you let it. so will bologna mystery meat. leave a slab of the bologna on a car hood in the sun for 45 minutes and you have a perfectly lunchmeat shaped hole in your paint. Mmmm, preservatives! Imagine what those do to your digestive system. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
how old of a gm alternator? you could bypass the diode set and get unregulated AC out of it anyway. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator I have a 4.7 HP Changfa I've been happy with - it runs a 100 amp GM alternator - I get about 1200 watts out of it. I think it would easily run a 200 amp, or just buy a genset from Grainger if you want AC current. I expect it would handle 3000 - 4000 watts. It doesn't use much fuel but it is noisy - needs to be in a shed unless you are rural. -Mike ason Katie wrote: maybe rig up 2 or 3 generators to it? use a heavy motorcycle chain maybe? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - *From:* Thomas Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:34 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator Hello all, I'm interested in getting a diesel generator. A friend has offered me a VW Rabbit diesel engine (48HP) and says it would be great to power a generator. It seems a bit overkill. I was looking at 4 - 6 HP. Guidance here would be appreciated. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
Very rough, 48Hp close to 30Kw at 4,000 plus. At 1,800 is about 12Kw minus Power factor = about 9Kw useable at low revs on multi pole generator. The engine should not glaze at that and if kept close to a reasonable load at 4 to 5 Kw then you could have a happy genset that should last a very long time. I run Deutz units which are horrible for prices on parts. My very quick and rough and ready calcs. Doug - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 7:34 AM Subject: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator Hello all, I'm interested ingetting adiesel generator. A friend has offered me a VW Rabbit diesel engine (48HP) and says it would be great to power a generator. It seems a bit overkill. I was looking at 4 - 6 HP. Guidance here would be appreciated. Tom Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers.- is OKpart000.txt - is OKpart001.htm - is OKpart001.txt - is OKhttp://www.eset.com-- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. - is OK part000.txt - is OK part001.htm - is OK part001.txt - is OKhttp://www.eset.com Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK part001.htm - is OK http://www.eset.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
