Re: [Biofuel] Check your Beliefs
Hi Fritz, Thanks for your two posts.I don't think I have anything further to add to the debate other than to say I feel for yourPalestinian friend. My approach was too academic and certainly not acceptable in terms of the very real human crisis which has developed. The current situation is indefensible and - as indicated by the sources suppliedby Keith - even the status quo ante appearsmore and more a legal fiction. Keith is also on the button when he points out thatunless until wecan add more light to this subjectwe are only generatingheat. One minor point: I offered no quotations from the Bible. If you reread my post you will see I carefully avoided that. In the context it wouldn't have been appropriate. I apologise and withdraw. Best wishes, Bob. - Original Message - From: Fritz Friesinger To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 5:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Check your Beliefs Bob and all, here is an answer of my goog friend Shadi Hadjara,a Christian Palestinenser on your Mail Fritz Actually, the tactic of deploying suicide bombers against Israeli civiliansonly started in 1994 in retaliation to the Hebron Massacre. In March 1994,at the peak of the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians (wherePalestinians were begrudgingly accepting to give away more than 3/4 of theirancestrial land and control over most of their sovreignty over their newlyformed bantustans for peace), a Jewish settler in Hebron sneaks into theHebron mosque during morning prayers. He unloads his automatic rifle on thekneeling crowd killing 4 dozen and injuring another 100. The first suicidebombing took place 3 weeks later.As for rocket attacks, the 1967 six day war resulted in the murder of morethan 20,000 civilians by Israeli missiles. The 1982 three month Israeliinvasion of Lebanon resulted in the massacre of another 20,000 Palestinianand Lebanese civilians by Israel. So please don't squabble over a fewmissiles in the arsenal of resistence groups that only formed to defendtheir respective communities against a murderous enraged rogue state.In the context of what took place in the past, Palestinians would not havefiercely opposed Israel if the Zionist pioneers had decided to create astate in Uganda. The fact is that Israel was created over their land byforcefully pushing them out of their towns and villages. The precurssor usedto justify those atrocities in 1948 was the Jewish suffering in theHolocaust. When Europe de jure accepted Israel, it was not because theallied government believe in Israel's right to exist but for, what I believeis, the massive guilt of allowing the devestation of the Holocaust to runfor so long combined with the underlying anti-semitism that still remains.So basically, Europeans did not want the Jews in their midst but at the sametime felt that sending them off to their "ancestrial" land is much moreideal, humanely speaking, than sending them off to the gas chambers. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fluorescent fuel?
Hi All, Flaming mufflers! Just picked up this story from Spain which claims the use of plankton (that fluorescent stuff that lights up the sea in tropic zones) to make biofuel. SPANISH FIRM CLAIMS TO MAKE OIL FROM PLANKTON TUESDAY , 25 JULY 2006 MADRID: A Spanish company has claimed to have developed a method of breeding plankton and turning the marine plants into oil, providing a potentially inexhaustible source of clean fuel. Vehicle tests are some time away because the company, Bio Fuel Systems, has not yet tried refining the dark green coloured crude oil phytoplankton turn into, a spokesman said. Bio Fuel Systems is a wholly Spanish firm, formed this year in eastern Spain after three years of research by scientists and engineers connected with the University of Alicante. "Bio Fuel Systems has developed a process that converts energy, based on three elements: solar energy, photosynthesis and an electromagnetic field," it said in a press release. "That process allows us to obtain biopetroleum, equivalent to that of fossil origin." Phytoplankton, like other plants, absorb carbon dioxide as they grow. Scientists have examined the possibility of stimulating growth of the single cell plants as a means of reducing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. CO2, liberated by burning fossil fuels like coal, oil and gas, is widely held responsible for global warming. Bio Fuel Systems said its new fuel would reduce CO2, was free of other contaminants like sulphur dioxide and would be cheaper than fossil oil is now. "Our system of bioconversion is about 400 times more productive than any other plant-based system producing oil or ethanol," it said, referring to currently available biofuels made from plants like maize or oilseeds. Bio Fuel Systems is working with scientists at the University of Alicante on the project. It has drawn up industrial plans to make the fuel and says it will be able to start continuous production in 14 to 18 months. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Redneck biodiesel video
Not only you can't please all the people all the time, it's damn difficult to please few, once. ;) Yes it's an infomercial minus the disclaimer, but most who watch such programs know that already. Yes it could have been done better, but they probably done what they could in only ~11.5 minutes. Power braking never really unpressed me, but tire fryer, I like it -- Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Check your Beliefs
I threw in the bible quotes, though I don't call myself a Christian. I think the bible is a fascinating historical and literary artifact, but not the literal word of God. There are some interesting thoughts contained within, tho' The quotes I mentioned were basically judge not, lest ye be judged - I do try to remember this, though not becaue I fear Hell. Also, Let he who is free from sin cast the first stone and why are you concerned with that mote in your neighbor's eye when you have such a beam in your own? From the Qu'ran: Even as the fingers of the two hands are equal, so are human beings equal to one another. No one has any right, nor any preference to claim over another. You are brothers. Final Sermon of Muhammad Anyone who believes in God and the Last Day should not harm his neighbour. Anyone who believes in God and the Last Day should entertain his guest generously. And anyone who believes in God and the Last Day should say what is good or keep quiet. Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 47. Happy is the man who avoids dissension, but how fine is the man who is afflicted and shows endurance. Sunah of Abu Dawood, Hadith 1996. It is better for a leader to make a mistake in forgiving than to make a mistake in punishing. Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1011 Hard to keep the current situation going and be a Christian or a Muslim. I didn't go through the Old Testament, though I might have, as all three regard it as relevant. -Weaver Bob Molloy wrote: Hi Fritz, Thanks for your two posts. I don't think I have anything further to add to the debate other than to say I feel for your Palestinian friend. My approach was too academic and certainly not acceptable in terms of the very real human crisis which has developed. The current situation is indefensible and - as indicated by the sources supplied by Keith - even the status quo ante appears more and more a legal fiction. Keith is also on the button when he points out that unless until we can add more light to this subject we are only generating heat. One minor point: I offered no quotations from the Bible. If you reread my post you will see I carefully avoided that. In the context it wouldn't have been appropriate. I apologise and withdraw. Best wishes, Bob. - Original Message - *From:* Fritz Friesinger mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2006 5:14 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Check your Beliefs Bob and all, here is an answer of my goog friend Shadi Hadjara,a Christian Palestinenser on your Mail Fritz Actually, the tactic of deploying suicide bombers against Israeli civilians only started in 1994 in retaliation to the Hebron Massacre. In March 1994, at the peak of the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians (where Palestinians were begrudgingly accepting to give away more than 3/4 of their ancestrial land and control over most of their sovreignty over their newly formed bantustans for peace), a Jewish settler in Hebron sneaks into the Hebron mosque during morning prayers. He unloads his automatic rifle on the kneeling crowd killing 4 dozen and injuring another 100. The first suicide bombing took place 3 weeks later. As for rocket attacks, the 1967 six day war resulted in the murder of more than 20,000 civilians by Israeli missiles. The 1982 three month Israeli invasion of Lebanon resulted in the massacre of another 20,000 Palestinian and Lebanese civilians by Israel. So please don't squabble over a few missiles in the arsenal of resistence groups that only formed to defend their respective communities against a murderous enraged rogue state. In the context of what took place in the past, Palestinians would not have fiercely opposed Israel if the Zionist pioneers had decided to create a state in Uganda. The fact is that Israel was created over their land by forcefully pushing them out of their towns and villages. The precurssor used to justify those atrocities in 1948 was the Jewish suffering in the Holocaust. When Europe de jure accepted Israel, it was not because the allied government believe in Israel's right to exist but for, what I believe is, the massive guilt of allowing the devestation of the Holocaust to run for so long combined with the underlying anti-semitism that still remains. So basically, Europeans did not want the Jews in their midst but at the same time felt that sending them off to their ancestrial land is much more ideal, humanely speaking, than sending them off to the gas chambers.
Re: [Biofuel] Check your Beliefs
Nice. ... And anyone who believes in God and the Last Day should say what is good or keep quiet. Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 47. (... though there's another side to that...) You might enjoy this, about the Spanish Arabs, by the estimable Dr Wrench, always a good read: http://snipurl.com/tuea and http://snipurl.com/tueb -- Reconstruction by Way of the Soil by G. T. Wrench, Faber and Faber, 1946 Best Keith I threw in the bible quotes, though I don't call myself a Christian. I think the bible is a fascinating historical and literary artifact, but not the literal word of God. There are some interesting thoughts contained within, tho' The quotes I mentioned were basically judge not, lest ye be judged - I do try to remember this, though not becaue I fear Hell. Also, Let he who is free from sin cast the first stone and why are you concerned with that mote in your neighbor's eye when you have such a beam in your own? From the Qu'ran: Even as the fingers of the two hands are equal, so are human beings equal to one another. No one has any right, nor any preference to claim over another. You are brothers. Final Sermon of Muhammad Anyone who believes in God and the Last Day should not harm his neighbour. Anyone who believes in God and the Last Day should entertain his guest generously. And anyone who believes in God and the Last Day should say what is good or keep quiet. Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 47. Happy is the man who avoids dissension, but how fine is the man who is afflicted and shows endurance. Sunah of Abu Dawood, Hadith 1996. It is better for a leader to make a mistake in forgiving than to make a mistake in punishing. Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1011 Hard to keep the current situation going and be a Christian or a Muslim. I didn't go through the Old Testament, though I might have, as all three regard it as relevant. -Weaver Bob Molloy wrote: Hi Fritz, Thanks for your two posts. I don't think I have anything further to add to the debate other than to say I feel for your Palestinian friend. My approach was too academic and certainly not acceptable in terms of the very real human crisis which has developed. The current situation is indefensible and - as indicated by the sources supplied by Keith - even the status quo ante appears more and more a legal fiction. Keith is also on the button when he points out that unless until we can add more light to this subject we are only generating heat. One minor point: I offered no quotations from the Bible. If you reread my post you will see I carefully avoided that. In the context it wouldn't have been appropriate. I apologise and withdraw. Best wishes, Bob. - Original Message - *From:* Fritz Friesinger mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2006 5:14 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Check your Beliefs Bob and all, here is an answer of my goog friend Shadi Hadjara,a Christian Palestinenser on your Mail Fritz Actually, the tactic of deploying suicide bombers against Israeli civilians only started in 1994 in retaliation to the Hebron Massacre. In March 1994, at the peak of the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians (where Palestinians were begrudgingly accepting to give away more than 3/4 of their ancestrial land and control over most of their sovreignty over their newly formed bantustans for peace), a Jewish settler in Hebron sneaks into the Hebron mosque during morning prayers. He unloads his automatic rifle on the kneeling crowd killing 4 dozen and injuring another 100. The first suicide bombing took place 3 weeks later. As for rocket attacks, the 1967 six day war resulted in the murder of more than 20,000 civilians by Israeli missiles. The 1982 three month Israeli invasion of Lebanon resulted in the massacre of another 20,000 Palestinian and Lebanese civilians by Israel. So please don't squabble over a few missiles in the arsenal of resistence groups that only formed to defend their respective communities against a murderous enraged rogue state. In the context of what took place in the past, Palestinians would not have fiercely opposed Israel if the Zionist pioneers had decided to create a state in Uganda. The fact is that Israel was created over their land by forcefully pushing them out of their towns and villages. The precurssor used to justify those atrocities in 1948 was the Jewish suffering in the Holocaust. When Europe de jure accepted Israel, it was not because the allied government believe in Israel's right to exist but for, what I believe is, the massive guilt of
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Cool article: Going Green
Hi Mike Hi Kirk and List...what a wonderful article. Of course there will be the naysayers who will tell us blah blah blah but good lord at least we're hearing about people in wasteful America trying to make a difference. Refreshing. I have a question for you and the List: any ideas on how I might collect the scraps from restaurants and eventually individuals to turn into compost and do so profitably? I'm talking about a need for more industrial sized composting. Not sure what that might involve. I would prefer to do this as a business rather than try and involve the local government, but if our local government eventually got involved, that would be okay with me. Maybe my efforts would push them to act. Not sure I've asked a specific enough question, but would at least like to get the ball rolling with ideas from the List. Thanks for everyone's help beforehand. Mike DuPree Lots to be said about that. You might start with this article - main focus on developing countries, but I think it applies everywhere (like Appropriate Technology). http://www.cityfarmer.org/Furedy.html Solid Waste Reuse And Urban Agriculture Best Keith - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kirk McLoren To: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Cool article: Going Green - --- Going Green With windmills, low-energy homes, new forms of recycling and fuel-efficient cars, Americans are taking conservation into their own hands. By Jerry Adler Newsweek July 17, 2006 issue - One morning last week ... 29 years after president Jimmy Carter declared energy conservation the moral equivalent of war ... 37 years after the first reference to the greenhouse effect in The New York Times ... one day after oil prices hit a record peak of more than $75 per barrel ... Kelley Howell, a 38-year-old architect, got on her bicycle a little after 5 a.m. and rode 7.9 miles past shopping centers, housing developments and a nature preserve to a bus stop to complete her 24-mile commute to work. Compared with driving in her 2004 Mini Cooper, the 15.8-mile round trip by bicycle conserved approximately three fifths of a gallon of gasoline, subtracting 15 pounds of potential carbon dioxide pollution from the atmosphere (minus the small additional amount she exhaled as a result of her exertion). That's 15 pounds out of 1.7 billion tons of carbon produced annually to fuel all the vehicles in the United States. She concedes that when you look at it that way, it doesn't seem like very much. But if you're not doing something and the next family isn't doing anything, then who will? On that very question the course of civilization may rest. In the face of the coming onslaught of pollutants from a rapidly urbanizing China and India, the task of avoiding ecological disaster may seem hopeless, and some environmental scientists have, quietly, concluded that it is. But Americans are notoriously reluctant to surrender their fates to the impersonal outcomes of an equation. One by one¢Ç¨Äùand together, in state and local governments and even giant corporations¢Ç¨Äùthey are attempting to wrest the future from the dotted lines on the graphs that point to catastrophe. The richest country in the world is also the one with the most to lose. Environmentalism waxes and wanes in importance in American politics, but it appears to be on the upswing now. Membership in the Sierra Club is up by about a third, to 800,000, in four years, and Gallup polling data show that the number of Americans who say they worry about the environment a great deal or a fair amount increased from 62 to 77 percent between 2004 and 2006. (The 2006 poll was done in March, before the attention-getting release of Al Gore's global-warming film, An Inconvenient Truth.) Americans have come to this view by many routes, sometimes reluctantly; Carl Pope, executive director of the Sierra Club, thinks unhappiness with the Bush administration's environmental record plays a part, but many of the people NEWSWEEK spoke to for this story are Republicans. Al Gore can't convince me, but his data can convince me, venture capitalist Ray Lane remarks ruefully. Lane is a general partner in the prominent Silicon Valley firm of Kleiner Perkins Caufield Byers, which has pledged to invest $100 million in green technology. He arrived at his position as a Republican environmentalist while pondering three trends: global warming, American dependence on foreign oil and the hypermodernization of Asian societies. Others got to the same place by way of religion, most prominently Richard Cizik, director of governmental relations for the National Association of Evangelicals¢Ç¨Äùbut also people like Sally Bingham, an Episcopal priest in San Francisco and a founder of the religious environmental group Interfaith Power and Light. A moderate
Re: [Biofuel] Japan - was Re: Check your Beliefs
Thanks again, Keith. Cool. I do wish you and Midori the very best. Mike And thankyou, Mike. All best to you Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 12:29 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Japan - was Re: Check your Beliefs Hi Mike Hi Keith...thanks for the references. You're welcome. I'm curious, why do you live in Japan? :-) Well, if you mean something like home, that's nowhere in particular, home's where I hang my hat (if I had a hat). Midori's Japanese, my partner and wife and co-founder of Journey to Forever, but I think she feels much the same way about it (we met in Hong Kong, not Japan). Journey to Forever is based here, mainly because it sort of grew out of Hong Kong. Building such a thing from scratch out of nothing with nothing needed us to be in a major world economy, and there were good reasons for choosing Japan rather than the other two. No regrets about that decision, and we're nearly there now. We haven't decided yet if we'll keep our base here once the project is fully launched, it depends how things shape up, probably we will keep it if we can. You've seen a lot of the planet and its' governments up close and personal and there you are in Japan. Yes, so I am. I carry the required Alien Registration Card but it doesn't say which planet I'm from, not Planet Japan though, LOL! All best Keith Thanks. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check your Beliefs Hi Bob You say: ... The reason for starting from the moment when UNO accepted Israel as a member (in other words as a legally constituted legitimate state) was in my view the only possible point of departure. There are many others, but none so clearly legitimised as the moment when the most modern international organisation we had then in existence chose to do so. ... Previous: And if you've forgotten how it all began, here's a brief sketch. I found it on my thumbnail... It all began in 1948? That's like saying a person's life only begins when they turn 21 and anything before that is irrelevant (or didn't even happen maybe). sn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] lye-contaminated batch
Hi all, I have a small batch that appars to contain too much lye as wash test shows quite a bit of soap under murky biodiesel (which after all doesn't wash and remain a chicken soup). Is there a good way to reprocess it ? I know I can process unfinished batch (too little lye) as it still contains mono- and diglicerides to be reacted. Theoretically, I could just add low concentrated methoxide or downright pure methanol, reprocess it once again, and lye still present in the batch should take part of a catalyst. Am I correct ? -- cheers, Rafal Szczesniak **mir[at]diament.iit.pwr.wroc.pl Samba Team member mi***[at]samba.org +-+ *BSD, GNU/Linux and Samba http://www.samba.org +-+ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye-contaminated batch
On Jul 25, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: I have a small batch that appars to contain too much lye as wash test shows quite a bit of soap under murky biodiesel (which after all doesn't wash and remain a chicken soup). Is there a good way to reprocess it ? The soap layer is a total loss (others may disagree). I would throw out any layer that was still white after one week of settling. The yellow top layer (biodiesel heavily contaminated with soap and unconverted oil) ) can be saved by very gentle washing of that layer (no included soap layer) in HOT water, by hand, with gentle stirring. If after washing and water removal you can get it clear and it doesn't seem excessively viscous, mix it with good biodiesel and use it. If it seems too thick, closer to the consistency of the original oil, reprocess it. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
