Re: [Biofuel] Winterizing B100
Francisco, That you for the information. I visited the lubrizol web site, but have not yet found a way to get the Cold Flow Additive. My methanol supplier is a distributor for ExxonMobil lubricants. Maybe they can get the product for me. It's a bit odd that their sales representative gave me the information about EnerFlow, and phone number for the company that makes it, but didn't mention the Lubrizol product. So far, all the other products I've found only decrease pour point of BD, making it easier to transport during cold weather and then blend it with petro diesel. The Lubrizol Cold Flow Additive and the EnerTech EnerFlow 1000 claim to decrease cloud point. Thanks again. I hope I can get some of the additive to experiment with before the cold weather comes. Tom - Original Message - From: francisco ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Winterizing B100 Tom. My experience with fuels and lubes tells me always use a bullet proof product. To many variables are involved. Lot's of testing ; lab bench and engine. I strongly suggest you take a look at http://www.lubrizol.com/BioQualified/additives.asp To the best of my knowledge *Lubrizol and Infineum* ( ExxonMobil and Shell joint venture former Paramins) are the best additives companies on Earth. ( I worked during 20 year for Exxon /Paramins). Infineum is dedicated to petroleum and just starting with biofuels. Lubrizol is in the biofuel business for a long time. They are here in Brazil at least last 40 years so plenty of experience with biofuels. The problem in here is Lubrizol sells directly to big consumers- but who knows... take your chance Suggest you use only Cold Flow Additive forget about other additives provided biodiesel supplier is a good one. Very best Thomas Kelly escreveu: Hello All, It's a bit early for those of us in the northern hemisphere to be thinking about winter, but I just got off the phone with the developer of a winterizer for biodiesel. He is also the president of a company called Enertech Labs in Buffalo, NY. Among the products they sell are EnerFlow 20 for biodiesel blends up to B20 and EnerFlow 1000 for winterizing B100. (EnerFlow 20 is EnerFlow 1000 combined with another product called Complete Fuel Treatment, a cold weather treatment and conditioner for today's diesel fuels.) I was told that EnerFlow 1000 has been on the market for about 18 months and that it is selling well in the southern hemisphere right now. I would like to know if anyone has used it. I typically blend 30 - 40% winterized petro diesel with my BD from November through February. I'd like to use B100 all year round. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Winterizing B100
Tom May I suggest you inquiry directly to lubrizol? email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] They do have cfpp depressant. Very best Chic Thomas Kelly escreveu: Francisco, That you for the information. I visited the lubrizol web site, but have not yet found a way to get the Cold Flow Additive. My methanol supplier is a distributor for ExxonMobil lubricants. Maybe they can get the product for me. It's a bit odd that their sales representative gave me the information about EnerFlow, and phone number for the company that makes it, but didn't mention the Lubrizol product. So far, all the other products I've found only decrease pour point of BD, making it easier to transport during cold weather and then blend it with petro diesel. The Lubrizol Cold Flow Additive and the EnerTech EnerFlow 1000 claim to decrease cloud point. Thanks again. I hope I can get some of the additive to experiment with before the cold weather comes. Tom - Original Message - From: francisco ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Winterizing B100 Tom. My experience with fuels and lubes tells me always use a bullet proof product. To many variables are involved. Lot's of testing ; lab bench and engine. I strongly suggest you take a look at http://www.lubrizol.com/BioQualified/additives.asp To the best of my knowledge *Lubrizol and Infineum* ( ExxonMobil and Shell joint venture former Paramins) are the best additives companies on Earth. ( I worked during 20 year for Exxon /Paramins). Infineum is dedicated to petroleum and just starting with biofuels. Lubrizol is in the biofuel business for a long time. They are here in Brazil at least last 40 years so plenty of experience with biofuels. The problem in here is Lubrizol sells directly to big consumers- but who knows... take your chance Suggest you use only Cold Flow Additive forget about other additives provided biodiesel supplier is a good one. Very best Thomas Kelly escreveu: Hello All, It's a bit early for those of us in the northern hemisphere to be thinking about winter, but I just got off the phone with the developer of a winterizer for biodiesel. He is also the president of a company called Enertech Labs in Buffalo, NY. Among the products they sell are EnerFlow 20 for biodiesel blends up to B20 and EnerFlow 1000 for winterizing B100. (EnerFlow 20 is EnerFlow 1000 combined with another product called Complete Fuel Treatment, a cold weather treatment and conditioner for today's diesel fuels.) I was told that EnerFlow 1000 has been on the market for about 18 months and that it is selling well in the southern hemisphere right now. I would like to know if anyone has used it. I typically blend 30 - 40% winterized petro diesel with my BD from November through February. I'd like to use B100 all year round. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Winterizing B100
cfpp is the variable to be managed as it indicates the plugging point.So what you need is a cold flow plugging point depressant. Vbest Chic francisco ramos escreveu: Tom May I suggest you inquiry directly to lubrizol? email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] They do have cfpp depressant. Very best Chic Thomas Kelly escreveu: Francisco, That you for the information. I visited the lubrizol web site, but have not yet found a way to get the Cold Flow Additive. My methanol supplier is a distributor for ExxonMobil lubricants. Maybe they can get the product for me. It's a bit odd that their sales representative gave me the information about EnerFlow, and phone number for the company that makes it, but didn't mention the Lubrizol product. So far, all the other products I've found only decrease pour point of BD, making it easier to transport during cold weather and then blend it with petro diesel. The Lubrizol Cold Flow Additive and the EnerTech EnerFlow 1000 claim to decrease cloud point. Thanks again. I hope I can get some of the additive to experiment with before the cold weather comes. Tom - Original Message - From: francisco ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Winterizing B100 Tom. My experience with fuels and lubes tells me always use a bullet proof product. To many variables are involved. Lot's of testing ; lab bench and engine. I strongly suggest you take a look at http://www.lubrizol.com/BioQualified/additives.asp To the best of my knowledge *Lubrizol and Infineum* ( ExxonMobil and Shell joint venture former Paramins) are the best additives companies on Earth. ( I worked during 20 year for Exxon /Paramins). Infineum is dedicated to petroleum and just starting with biofuels. Lubrizol is in the biofuel business for a long time. They are here in Brazil at least last 40 years so plenty of experience with biofuels. The problem in here is Lubrizol sells directly to big consumers- but who knows... take your chance Suggest you use only Cold Flow Additive forget about other additives provided biodiesel supplier is a good one. Very best Thomas Kelly escreveu: Hello All, It's a bit early for those of us in the northern hemisphere to be thinking about winter, but I just got off the phone with the developer of a winterizer for biodiesel. He is also the president of a company called Enertech Labs in Buffalo, NY. Among the products they sell are EnerFlow 20 for biodiesel blends up to B20 and EnerFlow 1000 for winterizing B100. (EnerFlow 20 is EnerFlow 1000 combined with another product called Complete Fuel Treatment, a cold weather treatment and conditioner for today's diesel fuels.) I was told that EnerFlow 1000 has been on the market for about 18 months and that it is selling well in the southern hemisphere right now. I would like to know if anyone has used it. I typically blend 30 - 40% winterized petro diesel with my BD from November through February. I'd like to use B100 all year round. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Crosspost: Home-Front Ecology
Yes it's a matter of scale, that's probably why I referenced it, instead of ignoring it. You mentioned urban not village, Mention of urban horses. Now there's an idea worth looking at. The current calender year is 2007 not 1907, much less 1808. I have too believe you would have a hard time finding even a rural community that is far removed from dodging animal emissions, willing to start doing so again on a voluntary basis. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. Dawie Coetzee wrote: As with everything else, it's a matter of scale. I was seeing a handful of village drayhorses, not London, 1880! -D ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] GM sparks buzz about 2010 release of Chevy Volt
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