Re: [Biofuel] Nigeria: Shell Oil's 'License to Kill'
Hi Keith and all of my fellow bio-dieselers! I joined your mailing list about a year ago.. After discovering journey to forever I have made it one of the most important missions in my life to get off of the fossil fuel drug. In the past year and a half I have built a straw bale bio diesel processing shop on my family land deep in the mountains of rural British Columbia, Canada. I have successfully set up a network of collection with 10 regional restaurants and have successfully made thousands of litres of clean-burning bio-diesel. I am currently trying to set-up a small co-op business here to provide fuel for green farmers in the area. I am also madly trying to pour a floor in my shop complete with in-floor heating pipes before freeze-up(which is happening SOON!) I am curious if anyone out there has ever tried to run Bio-Diesel in a hydronic in-floor heating system. It seems to me to be the perfect solution to using energy already consumed by the drying process to heat the facility. My biggest question is wether or not plastic pex water pipe is compatible with bio-diesel. Any leads on this subject would be greatly appreciated, Sincerely, The Dred Neck Dunster BC Canada V0J 1J0 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 5:45:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nigeria: Shell Oil's 'License to Kill' This one still leaves me stunned. I've read it twice now, trying to imagine how it could possibly come to pass. Well, they think they own everything, and everyone, and certainly the law, whatever law. Even if they don't own it, they're usually in a position to bend it. It seems to me, that as a matter of basic equity in law, that a person (natural or otherwise) should not be able to invoke the legal system to its advantage unless it is equally answerable to the same body of law. How is it that trans-national corporations, that explicitly operate in the international realm, can be not answerable to international law? This might help: http://www.asil.org/files/insight100930pdf.pdf Still stunned. I'm not very surprised. Do you remember this? How to kill a mammoth, from Roberto Verzola, secretary-general of the Philippine Greens: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg30628.html [biofuel] Mammoth corporations Economics, properly defined, is the study of human behaviour in the marketplace. IT is a BEHAVIOURAL SCIENCE. Unfortunately, people are too often greedy and the economic models can predict behaviour by reducing humans to a collection of pecuniary interests. So, the problem is not to change economics. The problem is to change people's attitude. When that happens, the economist's models will fail. You can denounce economics all you want, but it is really human behaviour that is the problem. That is what we need to address. Pat Hi Pat. I have a different interpretation: it is true that people are occasionally / often greedy in varying degrees. However economists idealized this greed and made it the centerpoint of the ideal economic agent. Then society created a legal person in the perfect image of this idealized economic agent. This legal person is the corporation/business firm, the epitome of pure greed. Corporations (which I'd count as if they were a separate species) have domesticated many humans and forced them to act and think like corporations too. This is what we need to address. Roberto Verzola Prehistoric peoples could kill mammoths; how about corporations? by Roberto Verzola Most legal systems today recognize the registered business firm as a distinct legal person, separate from its stockholders, board of directors or employees. In fact, laws would often refer to natural or legal persons. It should therefore be safe to conclude that such registered business firms or corporations are persons (ie, organisms), but NOT natural persons, and therefore not humans. Other social institutions have been created by humans (State, Church, etc.), but they have never quite reached the state of life and reproductive capacity that corporations attained. It would be very useful to analyze corporations *as if* they were a different species, and then to extract ecological insights from the analysis. (By corporations here, I am basically referring to registered business firms, or for-profit corporations). Corporations are born; they grow; they might also die. They can reproduce and multiply, using different methods, both asexual and sexual. We have bacteria within our bodies as if they were part of us; corporations have humans within them. Their genetic programming - profit maximization - is much simpler than human genetic programming, humans being a bundle of mixed and often conflicting emotions and motives. Corporations' computational capabilities for such maximization easily exceed most natural persons' capabilities. Therefore they
Re: [Biofuel] Nigeria: Shell Oil's 'License to Kill'
- Original Message - From: Seth Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nigeria: Shell Oil's 'License to Kill' |SNIP |I am also madly trying to pour a floor in my shop complete with in-floor heating |pipes before freeze-up(which is happening SOON!) | |I am curious if anyone out there has ever tried to run Bio-Diesel in a hydronic |in-floor heating system. It seems to me to be the perfect solution to using |energy already consumed by the drying process to heat the facility. My biggest |question is wether or not plastic pex water pipe is compatible with bio-diesel. | |Any leads on this subject would be greatly appreciated, | |Sincerely, |The Dred Neck | |Dunster BC |Canada |V0J 1J0 http://cpm01.smugmug.com/Bicycles/buy-fresh-bike-local-2010/IMG0749/963631153_nZVUP-XL.jpg Hey Seth; What you see in this picture, is an experimental greenhouse soil bed heating system, which is based on the same concept as radiant floor heating. This system uses an oil burner converted to run biodiesel. It works. This system is installed at the Dickenson College Farm CSA, which grows the food for Dickenson College in Carlisle Pa, US. This is the website: http://www.dickinson.edu/about/sustainability/college-farm/ Jen Halpin is the farmer/farm manager, and her partner, Matt is the whacko who comes up with stuff like this. You can find her contact info on the website, and they may be able to share some clues with you. Good luck! Sounds like a fun project. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel powered radiant heat (was Nigera)
I should clarify; The oil burner system shown, is a BACKUP to the solar collector system shown here: http://cpm01.smugmug.com/Bicycles/buy-fresh-bike-local-2010/IMG0751/963631204_narY5-XL.jpg When planning stuff like this, one of the key points to keep in mind, is the order of energy, as Amory Lovins puts it. Second law of thermodynamics. While an oil burner is in the same order of magnitude as the work in this case, heating the floor, it's still a higher quality of energy. A closer match is solar power. The closer the match, the more efficient, taking the long view. esp when you factor in the cracking of the biofuel in the first place. Biofuels, like fossilfuels are just too danged convenient for their own good. :) Using your ingenuity and some more of your food powered energy (IE doing work) you could probably front load your heating needs by dreaming up and implementing a solar heat collection/distribution system, which would drop the biofuel requirements for your heating needs radically. I know you are trying to get this done on a short timeline, but please plan for migrating the main energy source from the oil burner to solar collection, I think you'll be happy you did. You don't have time to do it this year, but maybe next summer. Again, neat project, keep us posted! cheers --chipper - Original Message - From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:06:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nigeria: Shell Oil's 'License to Kill' - Original Message - From: Seth Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nigeria: Shell Oil's 'License to Kill' |SNIP |I am also madly trying to pour a floor in my shop complete with in-floor heating |pipes before freeze-up(which is happening SOON!) | |I am curious if anyone out there has ever tried to run Bio-Diesel in a hydronic |in-floor heating system. It seems to me to be the perfect solution to using |energy already consumed by the drying process to heat the facility. My biggest |question is wether or not plastic pex water pipe is compatible with bio-diesel. | |Any leads on this subject would be greatly appreciated, | |Sincerely, |The Dred Neck | |Dunster BC |Canada |V0J 1J0 http://cpm01.smugmug.com/Bicycles/buy-fresh-bike-local-2010/IMG0749/963631153_nZVUP-XL.jpg Hey Seth; What you see in this picture, is an experimental greenhouse soil bed heating system, which is based on the same concept as radiant floor heating. This system uses an oil burner converted to run biodiesel. It works. This system is installed at the Dickenson College Farm CSA, which grows the food for Dickenson College in Carlisle Pa, US. This is the website: http://www.dickinson.edu/about/sustainability/college-farm/ Jen Halpin is the farmer/farm manager, and her partner, Matt is the whacko who comes up with stuff like this. You can find her contact info on the website, and they may be able to share some clues with you. Good luck! Sounds like a fun project. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] PEX tubing - was Re: Nigeria: Shell Oil's 'License to Kill'
Hello Seth From the list archives: Using polyethylene,cross linked pex tubing is rated for petrochemical use. you will have no problems using it for svo, or biodiesel fuel and processing. It is also rated for pressure and temperature,usually around 200 degress F.and 100 p.s.i. I use it in my business all the time. Other responses: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg19828.html http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg61418.html http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg29560.html There's lots more there. You're supposed to check the archives first, before asking. The link is at the end of every message you receive from the list. Also, I don't want to sound snarky, but please change the subject header when you change the subject, and snip the old content - your message was 32kb, sent to all the list members, lots of bandwidth, but what you wrote was less than 2kb. All best Keith Hi Keith and all of my fellow bio-dieselers! I joined your mailing list about a year ago.. After discovering journey to forever I have made it one of the most important missions in my life to get off of the fossil fuel drug. In the past year and a half I have built a straw bale bio diesel processing shop on my family land deep in the mountains of rural British Columbia, Canada. I have successfully set up a network of collection with 10 regional restaurants and have successfully made thousands of litres of clean-burning bio-diesel. I am currently trying to set-up a small co-op business here to provide fuel for green farmers in the area. I am also madly trying to pour a floor in my shop complete with in-floor heating pipes before freeze-up(which is happening SOON!) I am curious if anyone out there has ever tried to run Bio-Diesel in a hydronic in-floor heating system. It seems to me to be the perfect solution to using energy already consumed by the drying process to heat the facility. My biggest question is wether or not plastic pex water pipe is compatible with bio-diesel. Any leads on this subject would be greatly appreciated, Sincerely, The Dred Neck Dunster BC Canada V0J 1J0 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] PEX tubing
Also: Gates Corporation The world's most trusted name in belts, hose and hydraulics. http://gates.com/ Contact: http://gates.com/contact/index.cfm?location_id=527 Hello Seth From the list archives: Using polyethylene,cross linked pex tubing is rated for petrochemical use. you will have no problems using it for svo, or biodiesel fuel and processing. It is also rated for pressure and temperature,usually around 200 degress F.and 100 p.s.i. I use it in my business all the time. Other responses: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg19828.html http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg61418.html http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg29560.html There's lots more there. You're supposed to check the archives first, before asking. The link is at the end of every message you receive from the list. Also, I don't want to sound snarky, but please change the subject header when you change the subject, and snip the old content - your message was 32kb, sent to all the list members, lots of bandwidth, but what you wrote was less than 2kb. All best Keith Hi Keith and all of my fellow bio-dieselers! I joined your mailing list about a year ago.. After discovering journey to forever I have made it one of the most important missions in my life to get off of the fossil fuel drug. In the past year and a half I have built a straw bale bio diesel processing shop on my family land deep in the mountains of rural British Columbia, Canada. I have successfully set up a network of collection with 10 regional restaurants and have successfully made thousands of litres of clean-burning bio-diesel. I am currently trying to set-up a small co-op business here to provide fuel for green farmers in the area. I am also madly trying to pour a floor in my shop complete with in-floor heating pipes before freeze-up(which is happening SOON!) I am curious if anyone out there has ever tried to run Bio-Diesel in a hydronic in-floor heating system. It seems to me to be the perfect solution to using energy already consumed by the drying process to heat the facility. My biggest question is wether or not plastic pex water pipe is compatible with bio-diesel. Any leads on this subject would be greatly appreciated, Sincerely, The Dred Neck Dunster BC Canada V0J 1J0 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel powered radiant heat
Hi Seth, i guess you want to recover the cooling of new batches of BD to heat the floor.Keep in mind thath floorheating is verry slow to respond and should therefore be a continuing thing.Take in account to separate the glycerin upfront! The basic idea is good,sinze you dont need a lot of heat to heat the floor (25deg. is enough).The thing is to coordinate your input to get even heat to the floor! The Flexpipes should do the tric.To compensate for any cold-periode (lack of BD) i would poor electric cables,the ones that are sold to de-ice the eavedrougths,parallel to the Flexpipes. I did this in two of the houses i built lately and it workes very good.2400 watts are heating a whole house if solar has a break during nigth and cloudy conditions.You can install a thermostat or a timer to switch them on and off. If you run your BD heater,dont forget to install a heatexchanger before going in to the cementslab otherwise to much heat wont be very good! good luck with the project Fritz from Quebec ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hydronic Heat WAS Nigeria: Shell Oil's 'License to Kill'
On 10/25/2010 8:11 PM, Seth Macdonald wrote: Hi Keith and all of my fellow bio-dieselers! I joined your mailing list about a year ago.. After discovering journey to forever I have made it one of the most important missions in my life to get off of the fossil fuel drug. In the past year and a half I have built a straw bale bio diesel processing shop on my family land deep in the mountains of rural British Columbia, Canada. I have successfully set up a network of collection with 10 regional restaurants and have successfully made thousands of litres of clean-burning bio-diesel. I am currently trying to set-up a small co-op business here to provide fuel for green farmers in the area. Wow! You're in Dunster? I live in Sardis. Some of my online students live in the Robson Valley, including two in the family who own Lamming Mills. I am also madly trying to pour a floor in my shop complete with in-floor heating pipes before freeze-up(which is happening SOON!) It IS starting to get cold. Some of my online students tell me they've already had snow. I am curious if anyone out there has ever tried to run Bio-Diesel in a hydronic in-floor heating system. It seems to me to be the perfect solution to using energy already consumed by the drying process to heat the facility. My biggest question is wether or not plastic pex water pipe is compatible with bio-diesel. I have hydronic heating in my house, but I don't understand why you wouldn't simply use a coil in a tank, exchange the heat and put water in the PEX pipe. That way, you keep everything separate. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Honeybee Colony Collapse Disorder Update
I asked a friend who is an organic farmer and keeps bees in a more natural way if he or any of his like minded bee keeping community were suffering from this issue. The answer was no. That may not be the most scientific piece of information but still a piece. Joe Chip Mefford wrote: Yeah, I've been watching this news break and spread (like a virus) for a few months now. While I have no doubts that there are in fact contributing factors, I remain a bit skeptical as to this being the smoking gun, esp in view that these stories make no mention of the correlation (though not necessarily causation, but sure could be) of the rising use of neonicotinoid pesticides. google about for that. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nigeria: Shell Oil's 'License to Kill'
Nine - an update on How to kill a mammoth. - K --0-- http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/10/25 Published on Monday, October 25, 2010 by TomDispatch.com Jurassic Ballot: When Corporations Ruled the Earth by Rebecca Solnit This country is being run for the benefit of alien life forms. They've invaded; they've infiltrated; they've conquered; and a lot of the most powerful people on Earth do their bidding, including five out of our nine Supreme Court justices earlier this year and a whole lot of senators and other elected officials all the time. The monsters they serve demand that we ravage the planet and impoverish most human beings so that they might thrive. They're like the dinosaurs of Jurassic Park, like the Terminators, like the pods in Invasion of the Body Snatchers, except that those were on the screen and these are in our actual world. We call these monsters corporations, from the word corporate which means embodied. A corporation is a bunch of monetary interests bound together into a legal body that was once considered temporary and dependent on local licensing, but now may operate anywhere and everywhere on Earth, almost unchallenged, and live far longer than you. The results are near-invincible bodies, the most gigantic of which are oil companies, larger than blue whales, larger than dinosaurs, larger than Godzilla. Last year, Shell, BP, and Exxon were three of the top four mega-corporations by sales on the Fortune Global 500 list (and Chevron came in eighth). Some of the oil companies are well over a century old, having morphed and split and merged while continuing to pump filth into the air, the water, and the bodies of the many -- and profits into the pockets of the few. Thanks to a Supreme Court decision this January, they have the same rights as you when it comes to putting money into the political process, only they're millions of times larger than you -- and they're pumping millions of dollars into races nationwide. It's like inviting a T. rex into your checkers championship -- and it doesn't matter whether dinosaurs can play checkers, at least not once you're being pulverized by their pointy teeth. The amazing thing is that they don't always win, that sometimes thousands of puny mammals -- that's us -- do overwhelm one of them. Gigantic, powerful, undead beings, corporations have been given ever more human rights over the past 125 years; they act on their own behalf, not mine or yours or humanity's or, really, carbon-based life on Earth's. We're made out of carbon, of course, but we depend on a planet where much of the carbon is locked up in the earth. The profit margins of the oil corporations depend on putting as much as possible of that carbon into the atmosphere. So in a lot of basic ways, we are at odds with these creations. The novelist John le Carré remarked earlier this month, The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done -- dare I say it -- in the name of God. Corporations have their jihads and crusades too, since they subscribe to a religion of maximum profit for themselves, and they'll kill to achieve it. In an odd way, shareholders and god have merged in the weird new religion of unfettered capitalism, the one in which regulation is blasphemy and profit is sacred. Thus, the economic jihads of our age. They Fund By Night! In the jihad that concerns me right now, most of the monsters come from Texas; the prey is in California; and it's called our economy and our environment. Four years ago, with state Assembly Bill 32, the Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006, we Californians decided we'd like to cultivate our environment for the benefit of all of us, human and biological, now and in the long future. They'd like to pillage it to keep their profit margins in tip-top shape this year and next. The latest tool to do this is called Proposition 23, and it's on our ballot on November 2nd. It is wholly destructive, cloaked in lies, and benefits no one -- no one human, that is, though it benefits the oil corporations a lot. (You could argue that it benefits their shareholders, but I'd suggest that their biological and moral nature matters more than their bank accounts do and that, as a consequence, they're acting against their deepest interests and their humanity.) When he signed AB 32 into law, Governor Arnold Schwartzenegger, who's totally weird, termed out, but really good on climate stuff, said: Some have challenged whether AB 32 is good for businesses. I say unquestionably it is good for businesses. Not only large, well-established businesses, but small businesses that will harness their entrepreneurial spirit to help us achieve our climate goals. Using market-based incentives, we will reduce carbon emissions to 1990 levels by the year 2020. That's a 25% reduction. And by 2050, we will reduce emissions to 80% below 1990 levels. We
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel powered radiant heat (was Nigera)
Thanks for the tip Chip! The only reason I would want to be heating the floor with Bio-diesel instead of water or Glycol heated by solar and/or a wood fired boiler, is because I have to dry the fuel anyways. I'd rather not waste that energy so to speak so I may as well pump the fuel throough the floor while I'm heating it and heat the building... When I need to heat the next batch, my thought was to have a hopper above the heating system which is allways full and I would recharge the system with exactly the amount I remove.. Eventually I'd love to run the system on solar or another renewable heat source... Seth(Dredneck) From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tue, October 26, 2010 3:30:57 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel powered radiant heat (was Nigera) I should clarify; The oil burner system shown, is a BACKUP to the solar collector system shown here: http://cpm01.smugmug.com/Bicycles/buy-fresh-bike-local-2010/IMG0751/963631204_narY5-XL.jpg When planning stuff like this, one of the key points to keep in mind, is the order of energy, as Amory Lovins puts it. Second law of thermodynamics. While an oil burner is in the same order of magnitude as the work in this case, heating the floor, it's still a higher quality of energy. A closer match is solar power. The closer the match, the more efficient, taking the long view. esp when you factor in the cracking of the biofuel in the first place. Biofuels, like fossilfuels are just too danged convenient for their own good. :) Using your ingenuity and some more of your food powered energy (IE doing work) you could probably front load your heating needs by dreaming up and implementing a solar heat collection/distribution system, which would drop the biofuel requirements for your heating needs radically. I know you are trying to get this done on a short timeline, but please plan for migrating the main energy source from the oil burner to solar collection, I think you'll be happy you did. You don't have time to do it this year, but maybe next summer. Again, neat project, keep us posted! cheers --chipper - Original Message - From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:06:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nigeria: Shell Oil's 'License to Kill' - Original Message - From: Seth Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nigeria: Shell Oil's 'License to Kill' |SNIP |I am also madly trying to pour a floor in my shop complete with in-floor heating |pipes before freeze-up(which is happening SOON!) | |I am curious if anyone out there has ever tried to run Bio-Diesel in a hydronic |in-floor heating system. It seems to me to be the perfect solution to using |energy already consumed by the drying process to heat the facility. My biggest |question is wether or not plastic pex water pipe is compatible with bio-diesel. | |Any leads on this subject would be greatly appreciated, | |Sincerely, |The Dred Neck | |Dunster BC |Canada |V0J 1J0 http://cpm01.smugmug.com/Bicycles/buy-fresh-bike-local-2010/IMG0749/963631153_nZVUP-XL.jpg Hey Seth; What you see in this picture, is an experimental greenhouse soil bed heating system, which is based on the same concept as radiant floor heating. This system uses an oil burner converted to run biodiesel. It works. This system is installed at the Dickenson College Farm CSA, which grows the food for Dickenson College in Carlisle Pa, US. This is the website: http://www.dickinson.edu/about/sustainability/college-farm/ Jen Halpin is the farmer/farm manager, and her partner, Matt is the whacko who comes up with stuff like this. You can find her contact info on the website, and they may be able to share some clues with you. Good luck! Sounds like a fun project. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20101026/521b00f9/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
