Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as a motor fuel
Have you looked on drag racing forums about methanol for race fuel? And they discuss the effects on the motor and modifications required. Michele On Nov 27, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com wrote: Has anyone read Beyond Oil and Gas: The Methanol Economy? http://www.technologyreview.com/news/405436/the-methanol-economy/ http://www.amazon.ca/Beyond-Oil-Gas-Methanol-Economy/dp/3527324224 If so, any thoughts about the book or subject matter? Darryl On 27/11/2014 12:55 PM, John Jaser wrote: Tom: Thanks for the abundant knowledge in your post. I am most certainly not a chemist, but have always considered liquid methanol a very interesting candidate for energy storage. Since it can be made from a variety of renewable and non renewable means (wood, coal, biogas, etc) it seems like an easier economic target to produce than pure hydrogen. Transprots and pumps well, compared to what would be needed for compressed hydrogen gas. What to do with it once you make it? The indirect methanol fuel cell, if developed further looks promising. Thanks again for the conversation! From: Tom Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 5:33 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Aaah, methane is intriguing. Biogas is a metabolic product of one of the most ancient life forms, the methanocreatrices. Anaerobic chemoautotrophic bacteria so different from others that many would assign them to their own kingdom. As to methane being easily transported consider where propane and natural gas can be compressed to liquids, greatly increasing energy density, methane resists liquefaction, requiring tremendous pressure. This seems to be the fly in the ointment. Unliquefied, a tankful of methane doesn't go far. Methane has value as a renewable fuel. It is captured and used at waste treatment plants to generate electricity. Methane is currently being captured at landfills and used to generate electricity. I know of a dairy farm that harvests methane from the manure the cows produce. They use the methane to generate electricity. The heat from the generators heats the water used to sanitize the milking area. They don't use the methane in their cars or farm machinery however. Relatively safe.Hmmm Methane is a potent greenhouse gas. Ocean burps from vast storehouses of methyl hydrates/clathrates have been credited with contributing significantly to the end of the last ice age. The release of methane from thawing peat bogs is a part of the cascade of events that is accelerating global warming. Gasoline was once considered a waste product of oil refining, dumped into rivers. When it was pointed out that it could replace ethanol as fuel for internal combustion engines the waste became valuable. Imagine what might happen if methane gas presented the same financial opportunities by its use as vehicle fuel a renewable fuel. Do we dare the oil giants to tap the vast stores of methane currently trapped safely under the ocean? It's already being proposed. They can do it safely, right? Have you seen the data about leakage from pipelines compressed gases seem to find their way out. Not so good in the case of methane. Capturing methane at its source and using it close to where it's produced to generate electricity seems appropriate. Sorry to carry on, but you did say methane was intriguing. Best, Tom ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as a motor fuel
I have not yet started in on racing forums, as I understand they use 100% methanol as fuel, and my interest is using a mix of methanol (up to 50% possibly) in order to avoid making engine modifications while not sacrificing engine life. The idea of the methanol energy economy is way beyond my current practical interest, but definitely of academic interest. Darryl On 28/11/2014 1:08 PM, Michele Stephenson wrote: Have you looked on drag racing forums about methanol for race fuel? And they discuss the effects on the motor and modifications required. Michele On Nov 27, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com wrote: Has anyone read Beyond Oil and Gas: The Methanol Economy? http://www.technologyreview.com/news/405436/the-methanol-economy/ http://www.amazon.ca/Beyond-Oil-Gas-Methanol-Economy/dp/3527324224 If so, any thoughts about the book or subject matter? Darryl On 27/11/2014 12:55 PM, John Jaser wrote: Tom: Thanks for the abundant knowledge in your post. I am most certainly not a chemist, but have always considered liquid methanol a very interesting candidate for energy storage. Since it can be made from a variety of renewable and non renewable means (wood, coal, biogas, etc) it seems like an easier economic target to produce than pure hydrogen. Transprots and pumps well, compared to what would be needed for compressed hydrogen gas. What to do with it once you make it? The indirect methanol fuel cell, if developed further looks promising. Thanks again for the conversation! From: Tom Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 5:33 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Aaah, methane is intriguing. Biogas is a metabolic product of one of the most ancient life forms, the methanocreatrices. Anaerobic chemoautotrophic bacteria so different from others that many would assign them to their own kingdom. As to methane being easily transported consider where propane and natural gas can be compressed to liquids, greatly increasing energy density, methane resists liquefaction, requiring tremendous pressure. This seems to be the fly in the ointment. Unliquefied, a tankful of methane doesn't go far. Methane has value as a renewable fuel. It is captured and used at waste treatment plants to generate electricity. Methane is currently being captured at landfills and used to generate electricity. I know of a dairy farm that harvests methane from the manure the cows produce. They use the methane to generate electricity. The heat from the generators heats the water used to sanitize the milking area. They don't use the methane in their cars or farm machinery however. Relatively safe.Hmmm Methane is a potent greenhouse gas. Ocean burps from vast storehouses of methyl hydrates/clathrates have been credited with contributing significantly to the end of the last ice age. The release of methane from thawing peat bogs is a part of the cascade of events that is accelerating global warming. Gasoline was once considered a waste product of oil refining, dumped into rivers. When it was pointed out that it could replace ethanol as fuel for internal combustion engines the waste became valuable. Imagine what might happen if methane gas presented the same financial opportunities by its use as vehicle fuel a renewable fuel. Do we dare the oil giants to tap the vast stores of methane currently trapped safely under the ocean? It's already being proposed. They can do it safely, right? Have you seen the data about leakage from pipelines compressed gases seem to find their way out. Not so good in the case of methane. Capturing methane at its source and using it close to where it's produced to generate electricity seems appropriate. Sorry to carry on, but you did say methane was intriguing. Best, Tom ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
[Biofuel] Government Data Sharpens Focus on Crude-Oil Train Routes
http://truth-out.org/news/item/27700-government-data-sharpens-focus-on-crude-oil-train-routes [multiple links in on-line article] Government Data Sharpens Focus on Crude-Oil Train Routes Friday, 28 November 2014 11:31 By Isaiah Thompson, ProPublica | Report The oil boom underway in North Dakota has delivered jobs to local economies and helped bring the United States to the brink of being a net energy exporter for the first time in generations. But moving that oil to the few refineries with the capacity to process it is presenting a new danger to towns and cities nationwide — a danger many appear only dimly aware of and are ill-equipped to handle. Much of North Dakota's oil is being transported by rail, rather than through pipelines, which are the safest way to move crude. Tank carloads of crude are up 50 percent this year from last. Using rail networks has saved the oil and gas industry the time and capital it takes to build new pipelines, but the trade-off is greater risk: Researchers estimates that trains are three and a half times as likely as pipelines to suffer safety lapses. Indeed, since 2012, when petroleum crude oil first began moving by rail in large quantities, there have been eight major accidents involving trains carrying crude in North America. In the worst of these incidents, in July, 2013, a train derailed at Lac-Mégantic, Quebec and exploded, killing 47 and burning down a quarter of the town. Six months later, another crude-bearing train derailed and exploded in Casselton, North Dakota, prompting the evacuation of most of the town's 2,300 residents. See interactive map of the crude-oil train data. (http://projects.propublica.org/graphics/oil-trains) In those and other cases, local emergency responders were overwhelmed by the conflagrations resulting from these accidents. Residents often had no idea that such a dangerous cargo, and in such volume, was being transported through their towns. Out of the disasters came a scramble for information. News outlets around the country began reporting the history of problems associated with the DOT-111 railroad tank cars carrying virtually all of the crude. Local officials, environmental groups, and concerned citizens began to ask what routes these trains were taking and whether the towns in their paths were ready should an accident occur. In July, the U.S. Dept. of Transportation ordered railroads to disclose route information to state emergency management officials. Railroads had fought hard to keep this information private, citing security concerns. Even after federal regulators required more disclosure, railroads pressured many state governments to withhold their reports from the public. Some have come out, often as a result of public records requests by news organizations: The Associated Press has obtained disclosures in several states initially unwilling to release them. Still, those disclosures offer scant detail, often consisting of little more than a list of counties through which crude oil is passing, without further specifics. There have been attempts to fill in the blanks. KQED in Northern California, for example, combined the information disclosed in federal route reports with maps of the major railroads to show where trains carrying crude passed through California. The environmental group Oil Change International superimposed major refineries and other facilities that handle crude oil onto a national railroad map. A ProPublica analysis of data from the federal Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration adds new details by plotting out where trains carrying crude have experienced safety incidents, most of them minor. The data shows such incidents in more than 250 municipalities over the last four years. We've used the data to create an interactive map showing where safety incidents on trains were reported, where each train began its journey, and where it was ultimately headed. The data also shows that factors that contributed to major, or even catastrophic, accidents have also been present in hundreds of minor ones: outdated tank car models; component failures; and missing, damaged and loose parts. Bit by bit, a more realistic notion of where the dangers of crude-bearing trains are most substantial is emerging. Frankly, the [previous] disclosures weren't of that much use, says Kelly Huston, a spokesman for the California Governor's Office of Emergency Services, one of the first state agencies to make those disclosures available for anyone on its website. When it comes to a detailed picture of where crude is moving, Huston says, The expectation of the public is very far from the reality of what we're actually getting. The hazardous materials data reviewed by ProPublica adds to that picture. Only a handful of places around the country have the refinery capacity and infrastructure necessary to handle the massive amounts of oil being extracted
[Biofuel] remove from list
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Re: [Biofuel] An exercise for list members
Hi Darryl, Sent you a piece on the latest development in wind turbines but it came back access denied. What gives? Bob. -Original Message- From: sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org [mailto:sustainablelorgbiofuel-boun...@lists.sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of Darryl McMahon Sent: Sunday, 23 November 2014 5:22 a.m. To: Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] An exercise for list members I am pleased to hear from Chip that he is prepared to continue his efforts as required to keep this list functioning. I appreciate that. I am glad the list archives will continue to grow. I have a request of list readers. Make a post to the list. Just one. Open your e-mail tool of choice. Put (paste) Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org in the [To:] field. Put something descriptive in the [Subject:] field. Tell us about something you think matters, or is challenging you where you could benefit from the wisdom of others, or something you have seen that struck you as important. Click on [Send]. That's the process. Once you know you can do it, perhaps you will choose to do it again. We'll all be richer for it. -- Darryl McMahon Freelance Project Manager It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] An exercise for list members
Renewable energy overtakes nuclear as Scotland's top power source http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/27/renewable-energy-overtakes-nuclear-as-scotlands-top-power-source?utm_source=facebookutm_medium=postutm_term=scotland,renewablesutm_campaign=Climate__surl__=IgH5e__ots__=1417212324954__step__=1 Sent from my iPhone ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
[Biofuel] Cheaper wind turbines.
Subject: Cheaper wind turbines Could this be the big break-through? New superconductor-powered wind turbines could hit Australian shores in five years - ScienceAlert http://www.sciencealert.com/new-superconductor-powered-wind-turbines-could- hit-australian-shores-in-five-years http://www.sciencealert.com/new-superconductor-powered-wind-turbines-could-h it-australian-shores-in-five-years ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] remove from list
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