Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media
Hi Ryan, I live about 70 miles from Kaydon Filtration. I talked with them this morning and they told me that this filter will not work on vegetable oil. Sorry. Good thought though. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Ryan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve the energy use of heating a bulk volume of oil to near water BP. Coalescing media comes to mind, has anybody every looked into this further or heard of its use in biodiesel production? All I see on JtF is variations on heating and settling. If you aren't familiar with coalescer media, it works because as the oil-water mix is passed though the media, the small suspended drops of water tend to group together into larger and larger drops of free water that will then separate by gravity on the downstream side of the media. An example video can be seen at http://www.kaydonfiltration.com/tech_video.htm Not sure on cost of the bulk media yet. Thanks, Ryan Pope _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] All plastic processor
Hi JJJN Marty, My first processor was made with PVC pipe. The glue fittings were no problem. The PVC screw fittings consistently became loose and since they were glued to other pipe, could not be tightened. All have been replaced with 304 stainless. Long runs are PEX and ag sprayer suction hose. Have had few problems with nylon barb fittings though they do need occasional tightening. Hope this helps, Bill Clark - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] All plastic processor PVC is rated at 160 psi at 73 deg F. as one (pressure) increases the other (temp) must decrease within limits of a range. thus if one takes PSI to 0 temp can increase to a maximum before deformation. I don't know that point... but I have tested it to 212 deg F with no deformations or glue problems. As far as I know 130 degrees is what BD's maximum is so I think it will be fine, but do some testing on some cheap small dia fittings first. I also like the way PVC holds the heat once it is at temp. luck and wisdom JJJN Marty Phee wrote: PVC will get soft as it's heated. Take this into account. I'm not sure how much heat is required though. I've seen people bend and stretch PVC using steam or propane torch. Also, PVC gives off dioxin when it burns. JJJN wrote: I may be getting in the middle here but FYI I just purchased some 8 Dia. Sch 40 PVC. It holds roughly 2.5 gallons per foot. they make a very nice concentric reducer glue fitting for the bottom that can be threaded to your choice of sizes. The Wall Thickness is heavy enough you can drill and tap side fittings for your pump/gage taps etc. you can get a tee with clean out also. 2 part marine (putty stick) sticks real well to if you prep with sand paper. I am making mine about 10 gallons each and making dual reactors with one wash tub. the pipe is about 5-6 bucks a foot and fittings run about 20 bucks each. Wisdom to all, Jim David Thornton wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] using incomplete reaction biodiesel
Hi Michael, Thanks for your quick response. We are blending our bioD 50/50 and using it. I wasn't so worried about the EPA as to potential engine problems. Oh well, garbage has to be picked up and fires must be extinguished. Thanks again for your encouraging words. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] using incomplete reaction biodiesel Hi Bill, I have used a wide array of biodiesel fuel which I have made. Some batches would smoke more than others. Mostly I used my B100 in my f250 pickup. Luck = preparation + opportunity You have an excellent, small bio-refinery. I encourage you to make the most of it and get bio-fuel into the vehicles that need it and worry about the EPA later. I would not hesitate to put your biodiesel in any city vehicle, ie fire truck, trash truck, ambulance, tractor, genset. Your setup there is first rate, take this tragic set of events as your queue to use what you've prepared so hard for. I suggest you use what bio-fuel you can lay your hands on. 50-50 mix should due for the large trucks/buses. You have an excellent facility for cleaning used grease also. Large diesels like trash trucks, tractors could probably do just fine on a 50- 50 mix of WVO and diesel. You should still have my contact information. Call me anytime. Best Regards, Let us know how this turns out, Michael Lendzian CINS Network Support Team Columbus State University CINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105 706.569.3044 (help desk) - Original Message - From: Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 1, 2005 11:03 am Subject: [Biofuel] using incomplete reaction biodiesel Hello to all, The City of Eufaula is running out of diesel and calls to the supplier have not been returned. We have on hand about 1,000 gal of fuel that is not completely reacted. We may need to use this fuel. Any suggestions aboutblending with diesel? We would normally try to reproccess but we need to save our methanol for more fuel. Rapid responses are needed. Thanks to everyone and God help those people on the Gulf Coast. Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] using incomplete reaction biodiesel
Hello to all, The City of Eufaula is running out of diesel and calls to the supplier have not been returned. We have on hand about 1,000 gal of fuel that is not completely reacted. We may need to use this fuel. Any suggestions about blending with diesel? We would normally try to reproccess but we need to save our methanol for more fuel. Rapid responses are needed. Thanks to everyone and God help those people on the Gulf Coast. Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Titrating with KOH
Thanks Keith and Ray. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titrating with KOH Hello Bill: Firstly, I apologize to the actual author, I simply cut and paste into a file of important notes: KOH is not as strong as NaOH -- use 1.4 times as much KOH (actually 1.4025 times). Titration is the same, just use a 0.1% KOH solution instead of NaOH solution, and use 1 gm of KOH for every milliliter of 0.1% solution used in the titration. But instead of the basic 3.5 grams of NaOH lye per liter of oil, use 3.5 x 1.4 = 4.9 grams of KOH. So, if your titration was 5 ml, use 5 + 4.9 = 9.9 gm KOH per liter of oil. ...One more complication -- check the purity of your KOH, it's generally not as pure as NaOH. Anhydrous grade KOH flake is usually about 92%, sometimes less -- check the label. We use half-pearls assayed at 85%. Adjust the basic quantity accordingly: the basic 4.9 grams would be 5.8 (5.775) grams for 85% KOH, or 5.3 (5.33) grams for 92% KOH. Ray On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:11:56 -0400, Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith and all, I have a question regarding titration with KOH. When making your titration solution (1 g KOH/ L distilled water) is itn necesary to adjust for the percent of your KOH, i.e. 90.5%? I am making the adjustment for the basic 3.5 grans NaOH to 5.4 grams KOH. However, I made no adjustments when making the titration solution. Any help is appreciated. Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Ray or Shiraz Ings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-613-253-1311 Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Reprocessing question
Hi Keith and all, I made a 200 gallon batch of biodiesel last Friday. I used 200 gallons of wvo, 40 gallons of methanol, and 16.5 lbs of 90.5% anhydrous KOH from a titration of 4.5 g/L. After draining off the glycerine I took a 400 ml sample and performed a shake test.I got an emulsion. I added a couple of grains of calcium chloride and a thimble of vinegar and got perfect separation in about 10 minutes. As you know, I have addressed the question of soft water in the wash and while the addition of calcium chloride and vinegar have yet to produce a poor result, I am troubled by this initial emulsion formation using plain water. Today I took 1 litre od the biodiesel and reprocessed it. I used 200 ml of methanol and 5.4 grams of 90.5% KOH, preheated the oil to 120 F and blended for 20 minutes. After 1 hour there was no detectable settling of anything. The biodiesel remains in one phase that is slightly darker than the original biodiesel and somewhat cloudy. Does anyone think that I have a concern here or am I just being paranoid? Thanks for any comments, Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] NaOH
Hi Keith, Seems your right again, though down here in south Alabama most folks would call that opaque, white. Micropearls are mighty small for these old eyes to get a good look at. Anywho, my apologies for any misdirection on my part. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] NaOH Hi Bill Hi Ray, When I open a new bag of caustic ( I have used NaOH micro pearls and KOH flake) the caustic is as white as snow. It turns opaque when it begins absorbing water. Only after it has absorbed water and been left out does it turn white again due to carbonization. I work with these caustics 2 or 3 times per week. So do I, and I disagree. Fresh: opaque Moisture: translucent Carbonated: white Marc, if you're not sure, don't use it, is the best advice. However, since it's your first test batch, and I guess (hope) it'll only be a litre or so rather than 200 or so, and using virgin oil (fresh, new, uncooked), why not just go ahead and try it. New oil is quite forgiving, used oil progressively less so. If you have problems then replace the lye. As Jan advised, get some pure stuff from a lab supply company. Later, you can use this pure lye as a check against cheaper lye from a hardware store if you're not sure of the quality. Keep it well-sealed and away from moisture. It absorbs moisture from the atmosphere very fast, as soon as it's exposed. Replace the lid tightly as quickly as you can. We measure it out into plastic bags and close them and the container as soon as possible to keep moist air out. For overkill you could do the whole operation inside a big plastic bag, lye, scales, your arms and all. Best wishes Keith Bill Clark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] NaOH Bill: I have not seen the stuff for a while, but I believe when NaOH is new and anhydrous it is opaque, you can almost see through it. As it absorbs water it turns white. It has been 20 years, so... Ray On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:03:45 -0400, Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc, When it looks white, it is dry, unless it has all turned to carbonte which is unlikely. Pure anhydrous NaOH is white in appearance and becomes more translucent as it absorbs water. Exposed to the air long enough it will liquify. Hope this helps, Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Marc Arends To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:52 AM Subject: [Biofuel] NaOH Hello all, I have a questions before i want to start with making my first test batch with the single stage method. I bought NaOH from a hardware store, but it looks white so it is not pure. Does somebody know how i can mesure the moisture content of this NaOH so i can compensate for all this water? (I can use an oven at my work that can reach 1000 degrees Celsius). Greetings, Marc ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] NaOH
Marc, When it looks white, it is dry, unless it has all turned to carbonte which is unlikely. Pure anhydrous NaOH is white in appearance and becomes more translucent as it absorbs water. Exposed to the air long enough it will liquify. Hope this helps, Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Marc Arends To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:52 AM Subject: [Biofuel] NaOH Hello all, I have a questions before i want to start with making my first test batch with the single stage method. I bought NaOH from a hardware store, but it looks white so it is not pure. Does somebody know how i can mesure the moisture content of this NaOH so i can compensate for all this water? (I can use an oven at my work that canreach1000 degrees Celsius). Greetings, Marc ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] NaOH
Hi Ray, When I open a new bag of caustic ( I have used NaOH micro pearls and KOH flake) the caustic is as white as snow. It turns opaque when it begins absorbing water. Only after it has absorbed water and been left out does it turn white again due to carbonization. I work with these caustics 2 or 3 times per week. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] NaOH Bill: I have not seen the stuff for a while, but I believe when NaOH is new and anhydrous it is opaque, you can almost see through it. As it absorbs water it turns white. It has been 20 years, so... Ray On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:03:45 -0400, Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc, When it looks white, it is dry, unless it has all turned to carbonte which is unlikely. Pure anhydrous NaOH is white in appearance and becomes more translucent as it absorbs water. Exposed to the air long enough it will liquify. Hope this helps, Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Marc Arends To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:52 AM Subject: [Biofuel] NaOH Hello all, I have a questions before i want to start with making my first test batch with the single stage method. I bought NaOH from a hardware store, but it looks white so it is not pure. Does somebody know how i can mesure the moisture content of this NaOH so i can compensate for all this water? (I can use an oven at my work that can reach 1000 degrees Celsius). Greetings, Marc ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Ray or Shiraz Ings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-613-253-1311 Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel
Hi to all, Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation using a wood gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer driers. They had previously been using LPG as a fuel source. The increase in the price of LPG was threatening to put them out of business. With the help of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the new biomass gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a year and a half. There is another industry here struggling with LPG prices. Chicken growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken houses during cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft. long. They turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock is sold, a layer of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste)must be removed from the floor of the house. While the litter poduced is being used on some farmland (a problem in itself), there is a large glut of chicken litter piled around most of these farms. It is smelly, full of avian pathogens and is a serious leachate problem. There is work being done to utilize this waste as a heat source for these houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs Science, Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very interested in biomass as energy and has a grant program aimed at agricultural energy efficiency. Questions: Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel operation be effective as a source of syngas in a gasifier? What implications from the soap content? Proposal: Since the removal of the litter from each house is a very dusty operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on the surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the energy content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a wood gasification unit to produce heat for the chicken houses. As some of you know, I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week leaving me with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine co-product. While this is not enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the area, it may be enough to demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. If the addition of raw glycerine to chicken litter is workable, perhaps it could create a reliable use for rawglycerine produced in a larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine could be sold for perhaps $.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an impact on the feasibility of a local biodiesel operation. I am just begining to think this through so any comments, positive or negative, would be appreciated. Hoping all is well with each of you, Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel
Sorry, error in my last post. ...I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week ... Should read "... I am running a biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula. I can produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week..." Sorry again, I am a bad typist. Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel
Thanks Todd, That was extremely helpful. Bill - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel Bill, One would imagine that a gasifier would reduce all components of the glyc cocktail to syn gas and char. Gasification is a novel thought to reducing that waste/co-product to nill though. No addition of anything. No chemical refining. No new energy inputs. No disposal problem with the remaining crude glycerol. A standard ratio/mix of biomass to cocktail might be just the ticket. Here is a gasifier that we've been eying for a couple of years now. http://www.alternateheatingsystems.com/woodboilers.htm It's the only one we've seen that might fit the ticket. Todd Swearingen Bill Clark wrote: Hi to all, Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation using a wood gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer driers. They had previously been using LPG as a fuel source. The increase in the price of LPG was threatening to put them out of business. With the help of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the new biomass gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a year and a half. There is another industry here struggling with LPG prices. Chicken growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken houses during cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft. long. They turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock is sold, a layer of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste) must be removed from the floor of the house. While the litter poduced is being used on some farmland (a problem in itself), there is a large glut of chicken litter piled around most of these farms. It is smelly, full of avian pathogens and is a serious leachate problem. There is work being done to utilize this waste as a heat source for these houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs Science, Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very interested in biomass as energy and has a grant program aimed at agricultural energy efficiency. Questions: Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel operation be effective as a source of syngas in a gasifier? What implications from the soap content? Proposal: Since the removal of the litter from each house is a very dusty operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on the surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the energy content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a wood gasification unit to produce heat for the chicken houses. As some of you know, I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week leaving me with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine co-product. While this is not enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the area, it may be enough to demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. If the addition of raw glycerine to chicken litter is workable, perhaps it could create a reliable use for raw glycerine produced in a larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine could be sold for perhaps $.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an impact on the feasibility of a local biodiesel operation. I am just begining to think this through so any comments, positive or negative, would be appreciated. Hoping all is well with each of you, Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Washing Biodiesel
Hi Ray, We are thankful for the quality and plentifulness of our water supply. The people I was referring to are visitors or newcomers. Established citizens are well aware of the benefits of soft water on skin. Thanks, Bill Clark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Washing Biodiesel Bill: The folks in your town should be thankful. After their shower they still have a thin layer of natural (and yet clean) oils on their skin. Others, like me, need to soften our water to accomplish that or live with dry cracking skin, especially in the winter. Ray On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:11:25 -0400, Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Terry, Here is one from the archives: Message #45295. There is a post from Keith that refers to problems with soft water, nothing detailed, but I can't seem to find it right now. Soft water problems make sense to me. People who don't live here often complain that they can't get the soap off in the shower. Your pretty slick when you step out of the shower here. When washing clothes we only use half the recommended rate of detergent. I should have been more detailed about my conversation with the water works people. They gave me a target of 60-80 ppm of hardness. This will provide enough hardness without affecting the ability of the water to dissolve soaps. Best wishes, Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Terry DeSimone To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Washing Biodiesel Hello Bill, Thought I'd read about everything there was on biodiesel,but don't recall anything on water hardness. Could you direct me to a link or post so I can learn more about this? By hardness I'm assuming you mean calcium? Terry Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the unrelated text at the bottom of my last e-mail regarding Acusorb beads. Meant to cut that. I have been experiencing wash problems (bubble wash using Simon's super bubbler), specifically failures in the wash test. At first I suspected titration problems as well as process problems. Then I saw the message in the archives regarding soft water. The municipal water supply in the City of Eufaula is very soft (near 0 grains of hardness). It also has a pH of 8.5. Treating the wash water with vinegar resulted in some reduction of emulsion formation but not complete elimination of the problem. After consulting the City's water works, I began using a water hardness increaser made for use in swimming pools. The results were dramatic; complete elimination of emulsions. I now use .5 oz. of hardness increaser in 50 gallons of wash wa! ter (200 gal. biodiesel) along with 1 cup of vinegar. This increases hardness by 60 ppm. The manufacturer of the hardness increaser informed me that I may see some scale formation with the addition of vinegar but I will cross that bridge when I reach it. As I stated in my previous post, I use Acusorb beads as the final step in my washing process. It does a fine job of drying and buffering the biodiesel. I now use 1 wash before filtering the biodiesel through the beads. A shake test of the final product using distilled water results in very fast separation with clear biodiesel on top and pH nuetral water on the bottom. I am neither recommending nor condemning the use of Acusorb beads. I have found a way to make them useful to me. My use of the beads is more a matter of speed of process. If time were not a factor, the cost of the beads might prohibit my use of them. If there are factors I have neglected please let me know. Even though! I have good results in my final shake test, my obsessive-compulsive nature keeps me from feeling cofident about anything. Good biodieseling to everyone. Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz
Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl questions and a few other questions
Hello Theo, I ordered 100% isopropyl from my pharmacist, $28 retail for a gallon. I get my chemicals from a company called Univar. This is an international company with many branches in the US. I do not know if they will deal with an individual since I make my purchases through the City of Eufaula. I get lye in a 50 lb. bag for $0.37 per pound. Good luck, Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Theo Chadzichristos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Isopropyl questions and a few other questions Hi everyone, I'm done building my processor and gathering the last odds and ends before I go oil free. A lot of thanks to everyone for all the helpful email I've gotten from this list over time. Anyways I'm having trouble locating 100% isopropyl alcohol. The highest I was able to find was 91% at a local Walgreen's. I don't know if that's pure enough to do an accurate titration and feedback on that would be great. Also I picked up some Red devil lye at $5.50 for 18 ounces. Anyone know where I can get a better deal or buy in bulk? And lastly I found a chemical company who will sell me a 55 gallon drum of methanol for $2.60 a gallon. Seems a bit expensive but does anyone know where I could get a better deal. You can get a slightly better deal but only if I were to buy 4 drums. (I don't have the room). If it will help I'm located in a suburb of Chicago. Thanks again everyone, Theo Chadzichristos ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Process Question
Hello to all, In the set up I have here at the City of Eufaula Public Works, I preheat the wvo before transferring to the processor. I hadn't thought of this until today, but the volume of 200 gallons of oil cold is less than it is at temp. I have been filling the processor to the the 200 gallon mark with hot oil. Have I been overdosing my process with catalyst? Thanks for any help. Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads
Hello Andy, A freind of mine is puting in a new stove and has promised me his old one. I intend it for regenerating the beads I have. As soon as I can I will grab a hand full and see what happens at 400 F. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads Hi, Someone recently replied, I did a quick seach and it turned up this description of them: http://www.survivalunlimited.com/biodiesel.htm#techno It probably is a form of silica with the additional salts. If I'm not= mistaken industry refers to this as a molecular sieve. I doubt that these are zeolites, silica compounds, molecular sieves since they have to be regenerated at greater than 350F.. The description states that these beads turn black when heated over that. Could we ask Bill to take one and bake it at 400F and see if it turns black? Please Bill :) Andy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads
Hello Andy, My experience w/ acusorb beads has been good and bad. The beads were exhausted rapidly, however, I was using them without any pre treatment or serious filtering beforehand. Before they were exhausted. I produced 400 gallons of beautiful biodiesel. My opinion is still up in the air. Since I did not use them as instructed I can hardly complain about the short life span. I think that the best use for them is to remove the last traces of water from well filtered and mostly dewatered oil. I have recently begun to use the .5 micron prefilter and it does remove a good bit of water. Once it is properly set up, I will report on how the beads progress. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads Hi, I have read about Bill Clark's use of the beads and would like see how they are doing now. I am wondering if they are acting in an ion exchange manner and get exhausted overtime. I have read many people suggest that the beads are one material or another, but does anyone know what they are for sure? I doubt they are silica gels or activated alumina since neither of those two turn black at 350F. Someone suggested that they are superabsorber polymers, but have found little information to sway me one way or another on that possibility. I found reference to Sorbeads and wonder if these are them, once again not enough information. I would love to get a sample analyzed and determine what they are really made out of. Bill or anyone willing to send me a small sample? Andy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Peggy, How can I contact you or your group directly? Please respond to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I am interested in your small scale ethanol prodution systems. Thanks, Bill Clark Director, The Fuel for School Project Eufaula, AL 36027 - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen Good for you Walt! And we at BioFuels Energy Corporation are the same. Because we understand the need for biofuels, we (a group of people who are mostly retired or semi-retired) have designed a small fuel ethanol production facility that can be easily set up in most any area for immediate processing of all cellulosic waste materials. And someday, we hope to recoup some of the money we have individually invested plus something for our time. And grass-roots people like your buddies and our team bootstrapping ourselves without federal aid is important is demonstrating that WE ARE NOT DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT-- Yet we appreciate incentives, and financial help when available. I, too, have received some (not much, though, mostly kudos) flack on what we are doing. I appreciate the recent humorous message on changing a light bulb. We are the light bulb changers. The other people are a part of the rest of it. If you would like to know more about recent progress with my assiciate's wave-energy hydrogen production, let me know. This technology is also moving along fairly well considering the lack of funding and time off from regular employment to forward the process. The pilot projects have done well and now we are entering into a demonstration phase. Our buoy system with hydrogen generation capabilities also produces it's own energy to light up the buoys. It's pretty exciting. And we now have a few investors that seem ready to take their first steps in our next round of funding. Money helps. If you have an ocean-front property, we could possibly set up hydrogen and electricity production adjacent to your front yard. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walt Patrick Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen At 09:56 AM 10/12/04 -0400, Steve wrote: Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system that can generate 30 miles per day of hydrogen. It's more than you will pay in fuel taxes in your lifetime. You're probably right, but so what? Everyone's situation is different, and therefore their options will differ as well. Our situation is such that we're not constrained by the economics that rule corporate research. Corporations have to pay rent for the land they use; we've got our 130 acre campus, and the building's we've built there, and eleven septic systems, and more than a mile of underground water lines, and so on all owned outright, so we don't have to figure those costs in our systems. And we don't have shareholders who expect a monetary return on that investment. What they do expect is that we'll use these resources to explore ways that sustainable energy can be made relevant to community-based systems. Corporations have to pay hefty salaries to get engineers to design and build their systems; we're a team of retired/laid-off engineers who live here and do these things because they're fun and need doing, so we don't have to figure those personnel costs in either. Corporations have to hire welders, machinists and electricians to set up their systems; we have our own machine shop with six different types of welders, an induction foundry that can handle 200 pound castings, our own saw mill (and our own trees for that matter), and on and on . . . Are we a bunch of amateur tinkers? You bet, we are. We do this because we love the concepts, are fascinated by the technology and committed to finding ways to weave a renewable matrix that will provide a quality life. It's sort of like the need to distinguish between what one's going to have for dinner, and how one is going to manage their diet. You can get a McDonald's double-cheese burger for a buck a piece every day of the week, so why endure all the upfront cost involved in building a kitchen and learning to cook? Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net
Re: [Biofuel] Slogan
Hi All, I haven't kept up on this thread so this may have already been suggested. Biodiesel is for Life As we say in Alabama, Keep on keepin' on. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: subramanian D.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Slogan Mr. Keith, Would junk the wars ( or warmongers) for ever make a better slogan for a sticker? Regards, Mani Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/18/04 2:20 PM, Jeff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fossils Fuels are Extinct While Biodiesel is Alive and Growing! Is this a better one? Jeff Still too long, but I'd put a bumper sticker on my Beetle TDI that just said Fossil Fuels are Extinct. That's good Ken! It hits home and it's a teaser, it'd get at least some people thinking about what isn't extinct, maybe starting to ask questions. Reminds me of my old War is Obsolete sticker -K Hasten the day when you can put one there saying Warmongers are Obsolete and it's just a superfluous statement of fact rather than a goal. Regards Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[biofuel] wash test
Hello Everyone, I did a wash test on one of my batches this morning and am unsure of the results. As I mentioned in my last post concerning Acusorb beads, I filteer my biodiesel through a filter containing Acusorb beads. No washing. The biodiesel is crystal clear after filtering. The shake test separated in about 10 minutes leaving the biodiesel sitting on top of about 2 mm of emulsion and very hazy. The water is very nearly clear. Is my fuel finished ? Thanks, Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Colour of latest batch Gregg, Fuel from shortening makes perfectly fine biodiesel. Actually it makes fuel of higher energy content than other less saturated feedstocks. If the water wash test is taking half of one hour to split, you've got an incomplete reaction. Draw off 200 ml of what you believe to be biodiesel and reprocess it to see if more glyc drops.. Also, if it's taking four or five washes before you get a clean rinse, something is amiss. As for the colour of the fuel, that is largely determined by the degree that the parent stock was abused. While the fuel colour will be considerably lighter than the parent stock when finished, you'll never get blonde fuel out of brunette oil. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: gregg2560 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: [biofuel] Colour of latest batch Hi All, I'm at a bit of a loss regarding the colour of my latest batch of biodiesel. It is a medium amber rather than pale straw yellow. This particular batch went through about 8 washes. The water in the first one or two was quite milky as expected, washes 3 - 6 got increasingly clear, the last 2 looked like clean water. I checked the pH it was 6.8 to 7.2. I also did the shake test, the BD water separated within 30 - 45 minutes. The only thing I can think of is that this batch was made from vegetable shortening rather than oil. I'm wondering if maybe I should run it back through the process (Aleks Kac Method). As always, any help, advice, or suggestions are appreciated. Sincerely, Gregg Davidson Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Accusorb beads- fraud?
Hello Keith, Long time, no communicate. I have been quite busy with my project. I tried a couple of times to e-mail but had some Yahoo problems followed by a worm. Anyway, My processor is completed if not totally debugged. I will send you some pictures off-list. I use the Acusorb beads. I will tell you what they seem to do and how I use them. First, before I bought them, I spoke with someone who was using them. His experience had been positive so I made my choice. Now, after I allow a couple of different times to settle (sun heated), I pump my waste oil through a 55 gallon drum containing 30 gallons of these beads and into a 300 gallon electric water heater. Once full, I heat to 135 F and circulate through the drum for about 8 hrs. Results: The oil is clear and the pH has been raised by 1 to 1.5. I don't segregate oils except that I don't use anything that's not liquid in sunlight. I also use the beads on the back end to clean (wash) the biodiesel. Same type circulating system. Result: The biodiesel is crystal clear and pH neutral. My first batch was 200 gallons. A jar of it has been on my desk for over a month now and nothing has settled out. I don't think it is right yet. Maybe some unconverted oil. We are working on that. Trying to get better at titration. I always use excess of lye.We just made our 4th batch. 2 hrs. process time instead of 1. All have separated fine, no glop soap. As far as the manufacturer is concerned, some caution seems warranted. I am looking into an alternative source. The product is slightly different but it seems to be doing the same thing in some tests I have done. This is not an endorsement of Acusorb beads. It is only my experience so far. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Accusorb beads- fraud? Well, I hope they get somewhere. Pity they didn't ask the Biofuel list first, if they'd read what it says in the archives it could have saved them some trouble: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/14806/ Accusorb beads http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/26341/ Back yard Bio-Diesel chemists are playing with a toxic time bomb Best wishes Keith After much online speculation about Acusorb beads and the overblown advertising they were hawked with, I finally met someone who bought the package- and it didn't work at all. Acusorb was the company that claimed that you only need to run oil through their magic beads and it'll turn into something resembling biodiesel (my words). Here's what the unfortunate buyers had to say: In our experience, the beads do NOT work. We are trying to resolve this issue with the manufacturer after getting the run around for 7 weeks with the distributor (Survival Unlimited). We just yesterday received an email address for the manufacturer and are pursuing them now so will post any additional results regarding our problem here. I was attempting to get the water out of some WVO with their system to run my oil hot water heater on it (Meredith wouldn't let me near the VW TDI). Long story short we didn't have any hot water for a few days; the oil was actually cloudier coming out of the beads than going in! So, looks like I'm the big fool. We threatened Survival Unlimited with bad publicity on multiple websites so here we go . STAY AWAY FROM THE BEADS..the pumps work well but you can find them cheaper elsewhere, same with the biopass filter...STAY AWAY FROM THE BEADS..!!! -Adlai Meredith Here is a link to a discussion in which these folks talk about what happened and the lame excuse from the manufacturer: http://www.forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3243 Mark Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Accusorb beads- fraud?
Sorry, one other detail. I don't use the biopass filter or the pumps. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Accusorb beads- fraud? Hello Keith, Long time, no communicate. I have been quite busy with my project. I tried a couple of times to e-mail but had some Yahoo problems followed by a worm. Anyway, My processor is completed if not totally debugged. I will send you some pictures off-list. I use the Acusorb beads. I will tell you what they seem to do and how I use them. First, before I bought them, I spoke with someone who was using them. His experience had been positive so I made my choice. Now, after I allow a couple of different times to settle (sun heated), I pump my waste oil through a 55 gallon drum containing 30 gallons of these beads and into a 300 gallon electric water heater. Once full, I heat to 135 F and circulate through the drum for about 8 hrs. Results: The oil is clear and the pH has been raised by 1 to 1.5. I don't segregate oils except that I don't use anything that's not liquid in sunlight. I also use the beads on the back end to clean (wash) the biodiesel. Same type circulating system. Result: The biodiesel is crystal clear and pH neutral. My first batch was 200 gallons. A jar of it has been on my desk for over a month now and nothing has settled out. I don't think it is right yet. Maybe some unconverted oil. We are working on that. Trying to get better at titration. I always use excess of lye.We just made our 4th batch. 2 hrs. process time instead of 1. All have separated fine, no glop soap. As far as the manufacturer is concerned, some caution seems warranted. I am looking into an alternative source. The product is slightly different but it seems to be doing the same thing in some tests I have done. This is not an endorsement of Acusorb beads. It is only my experience so far. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Accusorb beads- fraud? Well, I hope they get somewhere. Pity they didn't ask the Biofuel list first, if they'd read what it says in the archives it could have saved them some trouble: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/14806/ Accusorb beads http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/26341/ Back yard Bio-Diesel chemists are playing with a toxic time bomb Best wishes Keith After much online speculation about Acusorb beads and the overblown advertising they were hawked with, I finally met someone who bought the package- and it didn't work at all. Acusorb was the company that claimed that you only need to run oil through their magic beads and it'll turn into something resembling biodiesel (my words). Here's what the unfortunate buyers had to say: In our experience, the beads do NOT work. We are trying to resolve this issue with the manufacturer after getting the run around for 7 weeks with the distributor (Survival Unlimited). We just yesterday received an email address for the manufacturer and are pursuing them now so will post any additional results regarding our problem here. I was attempting to get the water out of some WVO with their system to run my oil hot water heater on it (Meredith wouldn't let me near the VW TDI). Long story short we didn't have any hot water for a few days; the oil was actually cloudier coming out of the beads than going in! So, looks like I'm the big fool. We threatened Survival Unlimited with bad publicity on multiple websites so here we go . STAY AWAY FROM THE BEADS..the pumps work well but you can find them cheaper elsewhere, same with the biopass filter...STAY AWAY FROM THE BEADS..!!! -Adlai Meredith Here is a link to a discussion in which these folks talk about what happened and the lame excuse from the manufacturer: http://www.forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3243 Mark Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM
Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Tier 1 testing
Hi Marc, I am currently running a small scale biodiesel project in Eufaula, Alabama. We will be beginning production inside a month. I would be very interested in having you test my biodiesel. Please reply to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Marc Orion Cardoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: EPA Tier 1 testing Dear eva, Actually we were approached recently by a potential producer about doing that very thing... testing.and certifying biodiesel..for small producers who cant afford the exhorbitant testing fees.. We are a nonprofit organisation (501C3) known as the Ecogenics center for the study of alternative solutions and environmental stewardship.. we envision being able to perform this service based on donations from biodiesel producers.. we have access to a gas chromatograph and have a well equipped testing laboratory. Over the years, we tested alternative feedstocks for ethanol production for growers all over the country and conducted studies in cellulose hydrolysis of woods and rice stalks. and lectured on alternative feedstocks at many National gasohol commission seminars as well as for the Tennessee Valley Authority and most of the community colleges in the south and southeast.and now we are well immersed in biodiesel production technology and have modified our distillery to be able to make up to seven thousand gallons per week of Nafta grade biodiesel. so we are well qualified to undertake such a responsibility.If theres any interest in this we are all ears...any producers out there needing testing services? Marc Cardoso. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Eva Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the links, Keith. I actually read a bunch of that, and the last post by the person that talked to Jim Caldwell seems to put us back at square 1: Small producers must either pay $300K for testing or join the NBB for $5k a year. Nobody likes this; am I right? I'm proposing a solution: a nonprofit organization that acquires some sort of free money to do the $300K testing. Basically like the NBB but the test money comes from someone charitable who wants to promote the use of alternative fuels by helping small producers into the market. And provide that test data, along with a standard that is a bit less harsh than the diesel standard, to small businesses. The data would be free to small producers, or perhaps accessed for a small, affordable operations fee. P.S. Do other countries have regulations like this? P.P.S. It's still free to sell biodiesel for marine use. [original message snipped] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: WVO pickup problems in CA
x-charset ISO-8859-1I can't say if this will help but you may not be subject to laws in this regard because you are not a business. I know that laws are more strict in California but in many places individuals have more flexibility than businesses. Hope that will help. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: mcgeough65 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: WVO pickup problems in CA Chuck, Here is some generic advice that I hope will be useful and applicable in this situation. Often bureaucrats say things that are not quite exact, especially if said statement enhances his or her authority and power, or makes his or her job easier, etc. Now, perhaps it's true in this instance that licenses are required, and there may be severe penalties for non- compliance, but I would take the time to read the actual statute. Most state laws are available on line. See what they say. What is the exact act that enables this agency? Which acts define the scope and power of this agency? And most importantly, which acts specify the penalties of enforcement. Are you risking life in prison or a $10 fine for violations of said statutes? (Believe it or not, sometimes no penalties whatsoever are specified.) Foremost, take the time to read the laws yourself. Print out hard copies. Put them in front of friends and collegues and ask them to read and interpret them as well. If you can read the language in which these laws are written, you will amaze yourself with the understanding that you can achieve from such a research effort. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Re: Current Ice Age
x-charset ISO-8859-1Seeds can remain dormant for many years before germinating when conditions are better. Also, bananas and other tropical region plants are and were transported by men and other vectors like birds.Your assumption that there would be no tropical regions is eroneous. While equatorial regions may have cooled, that does not imply that temperatures would be too cool for tropical plants to survive. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: kirkmcloren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Current Ice Age snip He arrived at a theory on the centers of genetic diversity of different crops, which he believed were their centers of origin. All of them were located in mountainous regions with an ancient agricultural civilization http://www.bbg.org/gar2/topics/botany/con_crop.html Brooklyn Botanic Garden Which goes back to my earlier statement. The ice age had glacial presence in present Arkansas. Thus Florida would have been downright chilly, no citrus, and bananas -- where would they survive? If Arkansas occupied its present latitude there would be no tropical egions, which brings us back to banana survival. Something wrong with the theory I think. When you add in mountainous it is doubly so. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kirk I find something logically wrong with the concept of tropical regions being replaced with temperate while the rest of the planet is supposeedly covered with ice. After all, bananas survived didn't they? Check out Vavilov centres. Best Keith As for present clime it is on the cool side as during the time of the Roman occupation wine grapes were grown in central England. Can't do that now. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Global Warming
x-charset ISO-8859-1Snipped from: http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html Note that this is Chaos THEORY. The whole explanation is fairly shortand and easy to understand. Later, a scientist by the name of Feigenbaum was looking at the bifurcation diagram again. He was looking at how fast the bifurcations come. He discovered that they come at a constant rate. He calculated it as 4.669. In other words, he discovered the exact scale at which it was self-similar. Make the diagram 4.669 times smaller, and it looks like the next region of bifurcations. He decided to look at other equations to see if it was possible to determine a scaling factor for them as well. Much to his surprise, the scaling factor was exactly the same. Not only was this complicated equation displaying regularity, the regularity was exactly the same as a much simpler equation. He tried many other functions, and they all produced the same scaling factor, 4.669. This was a revolutionary discovery. He had found that a whole class of mathematical functions behaved in the same, predictable way. This universality would help other scientists easily analyze chaotic equations. Universality gave scientists the first tools to analyze a chaotic system. Now they could use a simple equation to predict the outcome of a more complex equation. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Global Warming Hi Keith I was afraid this was going to happen! Chaos is not a scientific view rather a proven mathematical (mathematics is stronger than scientific æòheoriesç§ fact about the way nonlinear dynamical systems behave in the real world. Laminar flow to turbulence is a good example. Behavior cannot be predicted no matter how much info is available and the size of the computer. I æàelieveçCO2 leads to global warming, but like any belief, there is no proof that it does. Best regards, Ken Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] First aid for house owners. was: A more sensible mindset (was: Emissivity....)
Good morning from Alabama, I have lived all my life in rural southeast Alabama. Hunted, fished, and played in the wild. I have numerous friends in the timber business. This is what I have learned about poisonous things that live here. Timber people refer to Rattlesnakes as Gentlemen. These snakes are not aggressive. They will let you know when you when you are too close. Unless you step on one, you are highly unlikely to get bitten. Most often, you will pass right by a Rattler and never know it is there. That being said, we still kill poisonous snakes near the house. Pets and children are at risk and you are more likely to confront the snake in a situation where the snake feels threatened. The only aggressive poisonous snake in my area is the Cottonmouth water moccasin. In spring, when the Cottonmouth is nesting, it becomes highly territorial. A pass too close to a mother Cottonmouth's nest will undoubtedly bring on a charge and a good possibility of a bite. But, unless you live near water, you are unlikely to find a Cottonmouth near your house. During the rest of the year, an encounter with a Cottonmouth will scare the bejeezus out of you but is almost exclusively non- aggressive in nature. Black Widow spiders are shy and almost never seen except when moving piles of things. Never put your hand in a hole or under a rock or board without a close examination and you most likely won't have any problem. Wear work gloves. Check shoes. The Brown Recluse spider is the most common bite that people here get. I have hardly ever seen one, yet I have been bitten several times. I never knew when I was bitten. While the Brown Recluse has venom six times as toxic as the Rattlesnake, it is tiny and unless you are allergic to its venom, the worst you will have is a small, round necrotic wound that will heal in a month or so. Concerning anti-venom, proper use requires that the exact species that bit you be identified. Even then, the cure is almost as bad as the bite. If you want a snake free environment, get a ferret. Hoping you all remain puncture free, Bill Clark P.S. All who live in areas with Cobras, Gaboon vipers, Fer de Lance and the like, please disregard this message. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:Black widows ,brown recluses
I have also heard of the electric shock treatment, for snake bite as well. The theory is that the electric current neutralizes the toxin. I have heard that this treatment is a favorite among people who are in an environment where snake bites are frequent and treatment is scarce. Brown Recluse bites are more frequent than many people realize. The wound may run from a small pimple-like bump that is slow to heal to a large life or limb threatening necrosis over a large area around the wound (half of your thigh). The difference is akin to what you would expect from bee sting. Some folks should be very careful, most not. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Grahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re:Black widows ,brown recluses We probably find one Black widow a day here in rural VA in the summer. Wearing gloves as suggested is a great idea, but I find not always practical. I ALWAYS look to see what I am putting my hand on though, that habit is pretty easy to get. Black widows are almost always hanging under something, but that could be within folds of a tarp to the holes in a cinder block, or a wagon turned upside down to keep rain from collecting in it.Any we find around the house we kill, because children may not be so careful, but beyond the perimeter of the play yard or work area we ignore them. About brown recluses I am somewhat more concerned but we have never actually seen any. I did have a young man visiting who said he had been bitten by a brown recluse, and proceeded to get a nasty looking wound. After doing exhaustive research on the net, It is still unclear as to what happens with one of their bites. This young man seem to get reoccurring wounds, but not always in exactly the same place. He said it was quite painful. The emergency room didn't offer any real help (and the bill was pretty debilitating). One suggestion from the net was to electric shock the wound, and so we tried that using an electric fence charger. It seemed to have helped it heal quicker than the other wounds he had. Certainly he could have been getting multiple bites, but as I said we never saw one, and he had been bitten before he stayed with us, and then another wound showed up while he was here. Caroline Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
