[Biofuel] Help needed - batch with clear 'soap'?

2005-04-12 Thread Don Goodeve


when I collected it. It had the highest titration I have found so far 
(4.7g/L NaOH); processed using 5 + 4.7 - 9.7g/L NaOH (methanol process).


The result gave a very heavy/gel glycerine layer. The result that has 
been standing in air has formed some gelly-like, almost clear solid 
suspended in the BioD. I have just finished washing a 15L tester, and it 
seems to be coming up fine.


A sample that I have left in the air for a day has formed an almost 
clear gel, retaining the shape of the beaker when I tip it. It is 
floating in what looks like 'normal' BioD.


However - I want to understand what this is and the possible causes, and 
the ramifications of using the BioD.


Hypotheses:
---
1) High water content in the source oil - hence this stuff is a form of 
soap (glop soap?)

2) Something I do not know about

If it is soap, can I hope to remove it using washing alone? Once it 
starts congealing, is this washing likely to work?


I am going to do some further experiments (ie. washing) to see what 
happens, but I would be grateful for the benefit of others experience 
dealing with this - new experience.


This is my seventh 30L batch and the first time I have seen something 
like this.


Thanks in anticipation. Can provide photos if that would help with the 
diagnosis.


Cheers
   Don


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[Biofuel] Process debugging help required

2005-03-10 Thread Don Goodeve



I have just started working with making BioDiesel and want to refine my 
process - there seem to be some bugs to work out.


First batch in a used blender from a local thrift store; scary as the 
blender started to leak everywhere at the Sodium Methoxide stage (tested 
it with water first; no leaks then...). The leak was slow enough - so I 
continued, reasoning that the oil would probably stay in the blender 
long enough and I could make the area safe. Overnight there was a sticky 
mess left at the base of the blender (now sitting in a bowl) and 
something a lot thinner left in the blender. Wrote it off as a disaster, 
however now not so sure...


Take 2: Same process but mixed it by vigorously agitating in a 2L 
polyethylene container - again using fresh Canola oil after heating oil 
up to about 50degC before mixing. Seemed to work like a charm, however;
   1) Product was slightly cloudy - sorty of 'fuzzy'. Is this normal? 
Does it just need to settle?
   2)  In contrast to Mike Pelly's description (Journey to Forever) the 
Glycerine layer was liquid and
remained so until I exposed it to air. After a couple of days 
with the lid off - it started gelling up. Is
this normal/correct? Mike seems to describe the layer as 
solidifying almost straight away below

   38degC.

I figured that this was probably, on balance, a reasonable start - so I 
did my first small and then large batch with waste veg. oil. I made the 
mistake of titrating using phenol red rather than phenolthalein (sp?) so 
the titration pH may have been closer to 8 than the ideal 8.5; ie. may 
have used too little lye. May have done. However please don't let that 
prejudice the jury.


Small batch came out okay except the product and glycerine were both 
much darker in colour than the original batch colours. Glycerine was 
*very* dark brown. BioD layer was again a slightly fuzzy dark amber. 
Looked and smelled good... Consistency of both products the same as with 
the Canola. Both liquid down to 10degC at least (working temperature in 
my Garage right now (nr. Victoria, BC)).


Product had same fuzziness.

Then I tried the 'mix with water, shake vigorously for 10 seconds and 
watch for 30 mins test'. I got a load of white and the separation was 
*really* slow. It never cleared. My guess is that the white stuff was 
hydrated soaps.


Tentative conclusions:
---
1) Working environment probably not the most conducive to soap freedom 
right now; cold/condensation being an issue. I am being careful, and 
this is likely less of a factor with large batches than with small.
2) Source WVO probably had water in it - it had been standing for a 
while. No - I did not boil it off first.
3) Titration may be a little off due to using the wrong indicator - 
perhaps reaction did not go far enough?


I would really appreciate any help in understanding/debugging further. 
You could save me a lot of time, which with 2 young kids (who I want to 
grow up knowing about this kind of stuff, coz they are going to need 
it...) is at a premium.


Best
Don
  


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