Re: [biofuel] Re: defamation is Bush/cheney
Save the ducks, eat the politicians. The worst that could happen is you could die. It would be worth it. fred At 09:09 AM 6/11/2004 -0400, you wrote: I like ducks and I support ducks. They taste good with a bernaise sauce. - bfn - JAW biobenz wrote: Wha, ha ha ha I almost wet myself.That's very mucho funny there Keith. Luc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be advised that the (Duck Defamation Defence Division) of the United Avian Workers League Marching Band and Chowder Society will not hesitate to litigate the pants off anyone who compares in a public forum any of our members or their relatives, living or deceased, or any aspect of their characters, persons, appearance or manner of speech or gait to those of a politician. DisGRACEful!!! (Fine critters, ducks.) Keith Ross, I have heard a lot, but calling Bush/Cheney ducks. ONLY based on the way they look, talk and walk? There are a few more things you know. LOL Hakan At 00:52 11/06/2004, you wrote: Re: Oil and Israel - Keith Is this an essay on defamation or an unauthorized copy of the Bush re- election campaign plan.Brian The Practice of Ritual Defamation: How Values, Opinions and Beliefs are controlled in Democratic Societies By Laird Wilcox Hit seems to me that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.probably it's a duck. Ross Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links John Watkins mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 309-19th Avenue South (612) 624-3374 day Minneapolis MN 55406 (612) 729-2209 home Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Notify about your e-mail account utilization.
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma...
Sorry Chris, But the illegal invasion and occupation was not to remove Saddam from power. It was to get a better foothold in the middle east... WHERE THE OIL IS!! That was the intent during the first Gulf War. The US succeeded to a small degree with bases in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. But the bigger picture now is to turn Iraq into the neutered puppy of the middle east where the handler has a big stick just in case someone has something to say about it (that would be the US.) Frankly, all sides have blood on their hands. fred At 06:02 PM 2/20/2004 +, you wrote: Yep - the sanctions did kill a lot of people. too bad there wasn't some kind of food for oil program that would have allowed the kind baathists to care for the indigent of Iraq. Oh wait... there was. Gee, I wonder what happened to all that money that Iraq got under the food for oil program. GWB must have used halliburton connections to steal it..but it was UN administered... and GWB he wasn't president for any of that time But as governor of texas he was certainly able to hijack the oil for food moneys yeah - thats the ticket in case any of you have forgotten, Saddam actually did invade his neighbors, and yes the US did support him (to the extent that we provided 3% of his armaments during the iran/iraq war) aginst what we viewed as a more serious threat, namely radical islamism (no that isn't a typo). But when he moved against kuwait it didn't seem prudent to do nothing, since he had a proven track record of aggression. so we kicked him out of kuwait and then instituted sanctions if he violated the ceasefire- which he did. Ideally we would have gone back in a year or two later to enforce the cease fire terms, but by that time it was a new adminisration so it didnt happen. had we done so there would have been only a fraction of the deaths related to sanctions. But never forget that saddam could have ended the sanctions at any time by simply keeping to his agreement, and he could have averted starvation by not siphoning off the food for oil money. the blood is on his hands. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 01:15 PM, the_maniacal_engineer wrote: When I first heard this it was about osama bin laden - a man who wants snip california state con...sti..tution... no wait - that was gay activist mayor/judges.. Did they really kill millions? Nope. The US- and UK-backed sanctions against Iraq killed at least half a million children though, as intended. In 1998, the UN carried out a nationwide survey of health and nutrition. It found that mortality rates among children under five in central and southern Iraq had doubled from the previous decade. That would suggest 500,000 excess deaths of children by 1998. Excess deaths of children continue at the rate of 5,000 a month. UNICEF estimated in 2002 that 70 percent of child deaths in Iraq result from diarrhea and acute respiratory infections. This is the result-as foretold accurately by U.S. intelligence in 1991-of the breakdown of systems to provide clean water, sanitation, and electrical power. Adults, too, particularly the elderly and other vulnerable sections, have succumbed. The overall toll, of all ages, was put at 1.2 million in a 1997 UNICEF report. The evidence of the effect of the sanctions came from the most authoritative sources. Denis Halliday, UN humanitarian coordinator in Iraq from 1997 to 1998, resigned in protest against the operation of the sanctions, which he termed deliberate genocide. He was replaced by Hans von Sponeck, who resigned in 2000, on the same grounds. Jutta Burghardt, director of the UN World Food Program operation in Iraq, also resigned, saying, I fully support what Mr. von Sponeck was saying. There is no room for doubt that genocide was conscious U.S. policy. On May 12, 1996, U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright was asked by Lesley Stahl of CBS television: We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it? Albright replied: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price, we think the price is worth it. -- From: Behind the War on Iraq by the Research Unit for Political Economy Monthly Review May 2003 Research Unit for Political Economy is based in Mumbai, India. The group publishes the journal Aspects of India's Economy and a range of research publications in English and Hindi. http://www.monthlyreview.org/0503rupe.htm I suggest you read the whole report, it will certainly give you a very much clearer and less muddied picture than Chris Stratford has managed to do. Read this one too while you're at it: http://www.scn.org/ccpi/HarpersJoyGordonNov02.html Cool War: Economic sanctions as a weapon of mass destruction By Joy Gordon Harper's Magazine November
Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma...
I forgot to mention: Frankly, all sides have blood on their hands. This would include me since I did not speak out when it was necessary, fred At 02:58 PM 2/20/2004 -0600, you wrote: Sorry Chris, But the illegal invasion and occupation was not to remove Saddam from power. It was to get a better foothold in the middle east... WHERE THE OIL IS!! That was the intent during the first Gulf War. The US succeeded to a small degree with bases in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. But the bigger picture now is to turn Iraq into the neutered puppy of the middle east where the handler has a big stick just in case someone has something to say about it (that would be the US.) Frankly, all sides have blood on their hands. fred At 06:02 PM 2/20/2004 +, you wrote: Yep - the sanctions did kill a lot of people. too bad there wasn't some kind of food for oil program that would have allowed the kind baathists to care for the indigent of Iraq. Oh wait... there was. Gee, I wonder what happened to all that money that Iraq got under the food for oil program. GWB must have used halliburton connections to steal it..but it was UN administered... and GWB he wasn't president for any of that time But as governor of texas he was certainly able to hijack the oil for food moneys yeah - thats the ticket in case any of you have forgotten, Saddam actually did invade his neighbors, and yes the US did support him (to the extent that we provided 3% of his armaments during the iran/iraq war) aginst what we viewed as a more serious threat, namely radical islamism (no that isn't a typo). But when he moved against kuwait it didn't seem prudent to do nothing, since he had a proven track record of aggression. so we kicked him out of kuwait and then instituted sanctions if he violated the ceasefire- which he did. Ideally we would have gone back in a year or two later to enforce the cease fire terms, but by that time it was a new adminisration so it didnt happen. had we done so there would have been only a fraction of the deaths related to sanctions. But never forget that saddam could have ended the sanctions at any time by simply keeping to his agreement, and he could have averted starvation by not siphoning off the food for oil money. the blood is on his hands. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 01:15 PM, the_maniacal_engineer wrote: When I first heard this it was about osama bin laden - a man who wants snip california state con...sti..tution... no wait - that was gay activist mayor/judges.. Did they really kill millions? Nope. The US- and UK-backed sanctions against Iraq killed at least half a million children though, as intended. In 1998, the UN carried out a nationwide survey of health and nutrition. It found that mortality rates among children under five in central and southern Iraq had doubled from the previous decade. That would suggest 500,000 excess deaths of children by 1998. Excess deaths of children continue at the rate of 5,000 a month. UNICEF estimated in 2002 that 70 percent of child deaths in Iraq result from diarrhea and acute respiratory infections. This is the result-as foretold accurately by U.S. intelligence in 1991-of the breakdown of systems to provide clean water, sanitation, and electrical power. Adults, too, particularly the elderly and other vulnerable sections, have succumbed. The overall toll, of all ages, was put at 1.2 million in a 1997 UNICEF report. The evidence of the effect of the sanctions came from the most authoritative sources. Denis Halliday, UN humanitarian coordinator in Iraq from 1997 to 1998, resigned in protest against the operation of the sanctions, which he termed deliberate genocide. He was replaced by Hans von Sponeck, who resigned in 2000, on the same grounds. Jutta Burghardt, director of the UN World Food Program operation in Iraq, also resigned, saying, I fully support what Mr. von Sponeck was saying. There is no room for doubt that genocide was conscious U.S. policy. On May 12, 1996, U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright was asked by Lesley Stahl of CBS television: We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it? Albright replied: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price, we think the price is worth it. -- From: Behind the War on Iraq by the Research Unit for Political Economy Monthly Review May 2003 Research Unit for Political Economy is based in Mumbai, India. The group publishes the journal Aspects of India's Economy and a range of research publications in English and Hindi. http://www.monthlyreview.org/0503rupe.htm I suggest you read the whole report, it will certainly give you a very much clearer and
[biofuel] Hydrogen Reactor
Personally I am not a big believer in a hydrogen economy but this did get the interest of our local paper. fred http://startribune.com/stories/1592/4374132.html Associated Press University reactor shows promise for `hydrogen economy' Researchers at the University of Minnesota say they have built a prototype reactor that produces hydrogen from ethanol so efficiently that it could one day power conventional fuel cells for homes. The technology is cheaper and more efficient than the current commercial method of capturing hydrogen from fuel, which is done with fossil fuels in large refineries, the scientists said. They said the reactor they built is much smaller and simpler and requires less energy. Their technology could be coupled with a fuel cell to generate nearly enough energy to power an average-sized home, according to the scientists, who will publish their findings in the Feb. 13 issue of the magazine Science. ``This points to a way to make renewable hydrogen that may be economical and available,'' said Lanny Schmidt, a chemical engineer who led the study. Gregg Deluga and graduate student James Salge also worked on the project. All three are in the department of chemical engineering and materials science. The men built the reactor, a 2-foot-high apparatus of tubes, valves and wires, in a laboratory on the university's East Bank. The hydrogen-driven fuel cell they envision might be a little larger than a coffee cup. Right now, hydrogen can be made cheaply only in large refineries that use fuels such as natural gas. The new technology holds promise for a ``hydrogen economy'' that would use hydrogen to fuel cars and make electricity. It also holds economic potential for Midwest farmers, who are leaders in the production of corn-based ethanol. A bushel of corn, the researchers said, yields three times as much power if its energy is channeled into hydrogen fuel cells rather than burned with gasoline. Hydrogen, a clean energy source, emits no pollution or greenhouse gases. President Bush supports funding for the development of hydrogen-powered fuel cells that are commercially viable. George Sverdrup, a technology manager at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, said he was encouraged by the research. ``When hydrogen takes a foothold and penetrates the marketplace, it will probably come from a variety of sources and be produced by a variety of techniques,'' he said. ``So this particular advance and technology that Minnesota is reporting on would be one component in a big system.'' While ethanol could be an important part of a hydrogen economy, Sverdrup said it's unlikely corn itself would be enough to support the entire system. The University of Minnesota researchers initially envision people buying ethanol to power the small fuel cell in homes in remote areas where installing power lines isn't feasible. The cell could produce 1 kilowatt of power, nearly enough for an average home. According to their estimate, a gallon of ethanol costing $1 could be used to produce energy for about 4 cents per kilowatt hour. That would be in the ballpark with national figures for the cost of raw energy, said a spokesman for the Edison Electric Institute, a national energy association. Frederick E. Finch Delivery System Manager MINITEX Delivery Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (612) 624-3374 Direct 15 Andersen Library(612) 624-4002 Office 222 21st Avenue South (800) 462-5348 WATS Minneapolis MN 55455(612) 624-4508 FAX Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Great letter Keith - was: I am building abiodiesel Plant in Nebraska USA
just turn out to be as big a nightmare as Big Oil has been, with wall-to-wall industrialized monocrops of GMO soy and canola, for one thing, along with all the usual externalisations. The silly thing about that, or one of them anyway, is that industrialized monocropping of biofuels crops would be (is) just as fossil-fuel-dependent as industrialized monocropping of anything else is. Not exactly the best way to produce sustainable biofuels, nor any way at all towards a sustainable energy future. What you'll mostly see here about the big companies is news of yet another case of a commercial company causing problems distributing sub-standard biodiesel, discussion of how they bend their own rules to exclude small-producers, and of how they only promote B20, and at best don't know much about B100 or at worst they're against it. Anyway, as far as making biodiesel a household item is concerned, the NBB was recently given a large grant to do just that, which caused some chuckles here on the lists because they're not very good at it (though they seem to be pretty good at writing grant proposals), nor are their commercial-producer members much good at it, despite their big PR agency accounts. In fact they admit that we're much better at it than they are (and we do it for nothing). No, another commercial producer isn't going to change anything much, even if it happens. A really sustainable energy future will take a lot more than merely substituting biofuels for fossil-fuels, it needs greatly reduced energy use, greatly improved energy efficiency, and most important, decentralization of supply to the local level. Which last brings us to this: Once we are up and running we will be developing small production units available to everyone who wants to buy one. We also will come to your area all over the world and help you set it up you home production unit for safety reasons. We want everyone have the opportunity to make your own biodiesel and use it! Oh dear, more one-size-fits-all ready-made biodiesel processors, something else that has failed to impress. Do an archive search for Fuelmeister, for instance: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ That aside, I don't see how you're going to fit this last bit into the same package as a large commercial plant, they're two quite different operations with virtually nothing in common, or even incompatible: a big, centralised producer undermining its own market potential by encouraging independent, localised production of the same product? I don't think it'll look good in your business plan. Only a tiny minority will ever be willing to make their own fuel anyway, no matter how push-button it might become in the future - home production units are not an answer to the energy crisis, except for pioneers like the list members here, who'll much more likely design and built their own processors. Small, local-niche, community-level, farm-scale production is the real answer, and that's the opposite of your scheme, despite this local angle you've tagged on to the end. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Frederick E. Finch Delivery System Manager MINITEX Delivery Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (612) 624-3374 Direct 15 Andersen Library(612) 624-4002 Office 222 21st Avenue South (800) 462-5348 WATS Minneapolis MN 55455(612) 624-4508 FAX Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Gustl
Gustl, Please do not apologize for the post. We (Americans) have lost too much of our heritage by loosing our native languages. My Father-in-law is a first generation Italian. His parents did not want him to learn the Italian language either. The way he got around that was he would listen to his grandfather play poker in the bar that the family had. His Grandfather did not speak any English. Therefore his marching orders came to him in Italian unless there was someone around who would try to translate. The stories that my father in-law has about the games, beer and hiding from spouses could take an entire week to hear. It was there where he learned to not only speak Italian, he was able to keep a part of his heritage that would have been lost forever. My family name is English and I am decended from horse theives (Google search : Fighting Finches.) Nothing new about culture to learn there. However I also am decended from a pack of Europeans. By the time that I was old enough to understand what was lost, it was too late to get any language or history from anyone who knew because they were all dead. fred On 9 Jan 2004, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Hallo All, Sorry for that last post to Fritz to the group. I am not only going deaf but have lost the sight in one eye and missed the reply to in the message and thought I was posting it directly to Fritz. My apologies for wasting bandwidth and inflicting that bit of personal info on you all. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: FW: Feeling Patriotic?
At 07:23 PM 1/6/2004 +, you wrote: I am not a chicken hawk, we are at war. the other side started it. our enemy is at least as hostile to liberal western civilization as any enemy in the past, including facsism and communism as practiced by mussolini, hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot, etc. The other side views our entire culture and civilization as invalid and wants all of us dead, or at least to remove our ability to direct our own lives. The other side started it? What? Which conflict are you talking about? Afghanistan? Done deal. Now they are in mop-up and keep the peace mode. The Islamists (or whatever label seems to fit this week) have been banished to the hills of Tora Bora, crawled into a hole and peek out only to see if things have changed. Iraq? Tell me again how they started it? Oh yeah, Weapons of Mass Destruction. That is right, they bombed... err, gassed, that's right they gassed... Yellow Cake!! They wanted yellow cake and Duncan Heinz couldn't cut it so they went to Nigeria where the cake was yellow. And now we need to liberate the country from the people who want yellow cake. The reasons for going to war had nothing to do with WMD or associations with Al Queda (BTW, I have a neighbor named Al Kada who is not very happy about this name.) It was about making a bigger presence in the middle east so US corporations could have access to more oil. Painting the other side with a mighty broad brush, eh? It is easy to kill 'em all when you can just as easily hate 'em all. Just a small fact fer ya, almost all of them (90% of Arabs) do not want us dead, they just want us to leave. Better to look at the reasons why they (10% of Arabs) want us dead and change the direction. fred I happen to believe that modern western liberal judeao-christian democracy is the best culture, the best set of values, that this planet has ever produced and I will fight to preserve it. there is good in this world and it is worth fighting for Sam Gamgee snip Definition Chickenhawk - n. - A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal experience with war; most emphatically when that lack of experience came in spite of ample opportunity in that person's youth. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Military diesel motorcycles and other cool stuff...
I'm sorry if I came in late on this but I did see this: http://www.farmshow.com/issues/27/05/270502.asp Kind of big but a place to start. Also, Farmshow is a very good publication to browse. Good ideas and things to ponder. fred On 22 Dec 2003, Dan Maker wrote: Neoteric Biofuels Inc said: http://www.americanprofile.com/issues/20010930/20010930ne_1354.asp See link above, ask this chap for plans, maybe. Perkins in a Harley, on biodiesel. It's a cool story, but I'm not sure it's the direction I want to go to build a diesel bike. This bit from the fifth paragraph put me off the first time I read it, a few days ago: He also spent $15,000 on parts for his one-of-a-kind motorcycle. But then he did buy the frame new, it could probably be done for a lot less if one were to check the local salvage yards for parts. Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] A good use for dino-fuels!
SIPHON ANYONE? A lobbyist, on his way home from work in Washington, D.C., comes to a dead halt in traffic and thinks to himself, Wow, this seems worse than usual. He notices a police officer walking between the lines of stopped cars, so he rolls down his window and asks, Officer, what's the hold-up? The officer replies, The President is depressed, so he stopped his motorcade and is threatening to douse himself in gasoline and set himself on fire. He says no one believes his stories about why we went to war in Iraq, or the connection between Saddam and al-Qa'ida, or that his tax cuts will help anyone except his wealthy friends; the press called him on the lie about Iraq trying to buy uranium from Niger, and now Campbell Brown is threatening to sue him for a sexual innuendo he made at a recent press conference. So we're taking up a collection for him. The lobbyist asks, How much have you got so far? The officer replies, About 14 gallons, but a lot of folks are still siphoning. Frederick E. Finch Delivery System Manager MINITEX Delivery Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (612) 624-3374 Direct 15 Andersen Library(612) 624-4002 Office 222 21st Avenue South (800) 462-5348 WATS Minneapolis MN 55455(612) 624-4508 FAX Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ArdFIC/hP.FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: your subscribe request
Curtis, You are in Minnesota? Hot enuff fer ya? fred in Minnesota 98F degrees on 8/19/03 At 08:32 AM 8/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: Eh, wassup brah, Howzit. (LOLOLOL) Curtis Biofuel list member: Live MN but was born/raised Pearl City, HI 96782 Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Ted Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aloha, street next to Waikiki! I cut pasted the Waikiki, In Hawaii, winter cold temps are NOT A PROBLEM, Proving that diesels are more than closely completive. Ted Powell Waikoloa, HI Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Got Three Minutes?
Try it. Every time you respond to a cheap-labor conservative in letters to the editor, or an online discussion forum, look for the cheap labor angle. Trust me, you'll find it. I can even show you the cheap labor angle in things like the war on drugs, and the absurd conservative opposition to alternative energy. DEFEAT THE RIGHT IN THREE MINUTES Have you got three minutes. Because that's all you need to learn how to defeat the Republican Right. Just read through this handy guide and you'll have everything you need to successfully debunk right-wing propaganda. It's really that simple. First, you have to beat their ideology, which really isn't that difficult. At bottom, conservatives believe in a social hierarchy of haves and have nots that I call corporate feudalism. They have taken this corrosive social vision and dressed it up with a respectable sounding ideology. That ideology is pure hogwash, and you can prove it. But you have to do more than defeat the ideology. You have to defeat the drum beat. You have to defeat the propaganda machine, that brainwashes people with their slogans and catch-phrases. You've heard those slogans.Less government, personal responsibility and lots of flag waving. They are shorthand for an entire worldview, and the right has been pounding their slogans out into the public domain for getting on forty years. So you need a really good slogan ö a counter-slogan really, to deprogram the brainwashed. You need a magic bullet that quickly and efficiently destroys the effectiveness of their drum beat. You need your own drum beat that sums up the right's position. Only your drum beat exposes the ugly reality of right-wing philosophy ö the reality their slogans are meant to hide. Our slogan contains the governing concept that explains the entire right-wing agenda. That's why it works. You can see it in every policy, and virtually all of Republican rhetoric. And it's so easy to remember, and captures the essence of the Republican Right so well, we can pin it on them like a scarlet letter. Is there really a catch phrase ö a magic bullet ö that sums up the Republican Right in such a nice easy-to-grasp package. You better believe it, and it's downright elegant in its simplicity. You want to know what that magic bullet is, don't you. Read on. You've still got two minutes. Right-Wing Ideology in a Nutshell When you cut right through it, right-wing ideology is just dime-store economics ö intended to dress their ideology up and make it look respectable. You don't really need to know much about economics to understand it. They certainly don't. It all gets down to two simple words. Cheap labor. That's their whole philosophy in a nutshell ö which gives you a short and pithy catch phrase that describes them perfectly. You've heard of big-government liberals. Well they're cheap-labor conservatives. Cheap-labor conservative is a moniker they will never shake, and never live down. Because it's exactly what they are. You see, cheap-labor conservatives are defenders of corporate America ö whose fortunes depend on labor. The larger the labor supply, the cheaper it is. The more desperately you need a job, the cheaper you'll work, and the more power those corporate lords have over you. If you are a wealthy elite ö or a wannabe like most dittoheads ö your wealth, power and privilege is enhanced by a labor pool, forced to work cheap. Don't believe me. Well, let's apply this principle, and see how many right-wing positions become instantly understandable. á Cheap-labor conservatives don't like social spending or our safety net. Why. Because when you're unemployed and desperate, corporations can pay you whatever they feel like ö which is inevitably next to nothing. You see, they want you over a barrel and in a position to work cheap or starve. á Cheap-labor conservatives don't like the minimum wage, or other improvements in wages and working conditions. Why. These reforms undo all of their efforts to keep you over a barrel. á Cheap-labor conservatives like free trade, NAFTA, GATT, etc. Why. Because there is a huge supply of desperately poor people in the third world, who are over a barrel, and will work cheap. á Cheap-labor conservatives oppose a woman's right to choose. Why. Unwanted children are an economic burden that put poor women over a barrel, forcing them to work cheap. á Cheap-labor conservatives don't like unions. Why. Because when labor sticks together, wages go up. That's why workers unionize. Seems workers don't like being over a barrel. á Cheap-labor conservatives constantly bray about morality, virtue, respect for authority, hard work and other values. Why. So they can blame your being over a barrel on your own immorality, lack of values and poor choices. á Cheap-labor conservatives encourage racism, misogyny, homophobia and other forms of bigotry. Why? Bigotry among wage earners distracts them,
[biofuel] Got Three Minutes?
Try it. Every time you respond to a cheap-labor conservative in letters to the editor, or an online discussion forum, look for the cheap labor angle. Trust me, you'll find it. I can even show you the cheap labor angle in things like the war on drugs, and the absurd conservative opposition to alternative energy. Here it is with the link: http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/ DEFEAT THE RIGHT IN THREE MINUTES Have you got three minutes. Because that's all you need to learn how to defeat the Republican Right. Just read through this handy guide and you'll have everything you need to successfully debunk right-wing propaganda. It's really that simple. First, you have to beat their ideology, which really isn't that difficult. At bottom, conservatives believe in a social hierarchy of haves and have nots that I call corporate feudalism. They have taken this corrosive social vision and dressed it up with a respectable sounding ideology. That ideology is pure hogwash, and you can prove it. But you have to do more than defeat the ideology. You have to defeat the drum beat. You have to defeat the propaganda machine, that brainwashes people with their slogans and catch-phrases. You've heard those slogans.Less government, personal responsibility and lots of flag waving. They are shorthand for an entire worldview, and the right has been pounding their slogans out into the public domain for getting on forty years. So you need a really good slogan ö a counter-slogan really, to deprogram the brainwashed. You need a magic bullet that quickly and efficiently destroys the effectiveness of their drum beat. You need your own drum beat that sums up the right's position. Only your drum beat exposes the ugly reality of right-wing philosophy ö the reality their slogans are meant to hide. Our slogan contains the governing concept that explains the entire right-wing agenda. That's why it works. You can see it in every policy, and virtually all of Republican rhetoric. And it's so easy to remember, and captures the essence of the Republican Right so well, we can pin it on them like a scarlet letter. Is there really a catch phrase ö a magic bullet ö that sums up the Republican Right in such a nice easy-to-grasp package. You better believe it, and it's downright elegant in its simplicity. You want to know what that magic bullet is, don't you. Read on. You've still got two minutes. Right-Wing Ideology in a Nutshell When you cut right through it, right-wing ideology is just dime-store economics ö intended to dress their ideology up and make it look respectable. You don't really need to know much about economics to understand it. They certainly don't. It all gets down to two simple words. Cheap labor. That's their whole philosophy in a nutshell ö which gives you a short and pithy catch phrase that describes them perfectly. You've heard of big-government liberals. Well they're cheap-labor conservatives. Cheap-labor conservative is a moniker they will never shake, and never live down. Because it's exactly what they are. You see, cheap-labor conservatives are defenders of corporate America ö whose fortunes depend on labor. The larger the labor supply, the cheaper it is. The more desperately you need a job, the cheaper you'll work, and the more power those corporate lords have over you. If you are a wealthy elite ö or a wannabe like most dittoheads ö your wealth, power and privilege is enhanced by a labor pool, forced to work cheap. Don't believe me. Well, let's apply this principle, and see how many right-wing positions become instantly understandable. á Cheap-labor conservatives don't like social spending or our safety net. Why. Because when you're unemployed and desperate, corporations can pay you whatever they feel like ö which is inevitably next to nothing. You see, they want you over a barrel and in a position to work cheap or starve. á Cheap-labor conservatives don't like the minimum wage, or other improvements in wages and working conditions. Why. These reforms undo all of their efforts to keep you over a barrel. á Cheap-labor conservatives like free trade, NAFTA, GATT, etc. Why. Because there is a huge supply of desperately poor people in the third world, who are over a barrel, and will work cheap. á Cheap-labor conservatives oppose a woman's right to choose. Why. Unwanted children are an economic burden that put poor women over a barrel, forcing them to work cheap. á Cheap-labor conservatives don't like unions. Why. Because when labor sticks together, wages go up. That's why workers unionize. Seems workers don't like being over a barrel. á Cheap-labor conservatives constantly bray about morality, virtue, respect for authority, hard work and other values. Why. So they can blame your being over a barrel on your own immorality, lack of values and poor choices. á Cheap-labor conservatives encourage racism, misogyny, homophobia and other
Re: [biofuel] Re:Environmental process for Motor oil clean up
Tom, There have been some studies using fungi particularly a strain of Oyster Mushroom that has been successful at breaking down oils. Look here: http://fungi.com/mycotech/mycova.html I have been playing with some contaminated wood chips soaked in oil. The results have been varied. Something you can try: Take the contaminated clay and mix it with fresh wood chips, straw even fallen leaves. Add some mushroom spawn then cover with a landscape mat. Water every day and wait. There should be activity almost from the first day. my results have been mixed, mostly because I have not been paying attention to the process. Let me know off-list if you need any spawn, I got plenty to share. fred At 02:26 AM 5/20/2003 +0900, you wrote: Will do---my oversight thanks Tom g Thankyou Tom. Re your question, trouble with clay is it has this huge internal structure and stuff gets electrically bonded in there, never comes out again. Well, I guess as long as never means never... That's what's supposed to happen to Paraquat, for instance, but there have been some doubts about it. Anyway, I agree with Kim's advice about compost, in the end it'll break down everything that breaks and help buffer residual nasties too. I'm not recommending it, but it might just be an idea to treat it with biodiesel first. Biodiesel is used for oil-spill remediation and seems to be very effective. You're supposed then to remove the biodiesel as well, however. But it might be worth trying here: the biodiesel itself is innocuous and breaks down fast, but my feeling, after using it for a lot of different things (and we're organic farmers), is that it might very well help the compost and soil life to break down and generally deal with the motor oil faster and more safely. This might give you some ideas: http://www.cytoculture.com/process.html CytoSol Process Shoreline Oil Spill Remediation with a Vegetable Oil-based BioSolvent I hope Fred Finch will respond, he was saying interesting things about compost, mushrooms and bioremediation: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=24599list=BIOFUEL Check the list archives for bioremediation and also phytoremediation, I'm sure you'll get some good ideas there. http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Best Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: [biofuel] Subject headings - was Re: Natural pH-Indicators Please change the subject line when you change the subject - basic Netiquette, saves confusion and annoyance, and makes archives searching much easier. Thankyou. Keith Addison List moderator I have cleaned up some real disasters that I found on my land by either putting my compost pile on top of them for a few years, or my kill pen. Both allow Mother Earth to clean up the mess. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:01 PM 5/18/2003 -0600, you wrote: Im being faced with the clean up of rather heavy clay soaked with old motor oil. What are the most effective processes currently being used for reclaiming such an environmental problem. Is there a process that produces a positive environmental effect?? Tom G. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Frederick E. Finch Delivery System Manager MINITEX Delivery Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (612) 624-3374 Direct 15 Andersen Library(612) 624-4002 Office 222 21st Avenue South (800) 462-5348 WATS Minneapolis MN 55455(612) 624-4508 FAX Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism
Greg, Are you looking for anything in particular? I do some small scale bio-remediation using straw and sawdust/shavings to grow mushrooms, it then becomes compost for my garden. The sawdust is something I like better because I can get as much as I want for free. I need to pay for the straw but I hope that may change if I can find a source. fred At 09:47 AM 4/30/2003 -0600, you wrote: I have been looking around the internet for info about Bioremediation, for some time, and have not found much on the homeowner scale. About every thing so far, has been on the industrial / commercial scale. Have you found much for the small scale use of Bioremediation? If so were? Greg H. P.S. Don't forget, that when the cattails get over crowded, you can use the roots to make alk. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 08:04 Subject: Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism I'm looking at a constructed wetlands (pond) for grey water, and harvest the cattails and water hyacinths for the compost bin. This will attract a lot of wild life for our enjoyment. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/cjB9SD/od7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism
I have been playing with woodchips contaminated with oil and gasoline. The experiment that I have been working with came from a project that Paul Stamets has been doing. See: http://fungi.com/mycotech/mycova.html So far the strain of oyster mushroom that I have will eat just about anything. It consumes paper products, coffee grounds and wood. I came across a pile of contaminated wood chips from a neighbor who parked his boat on a pad of wood chips. He would change his oil, purge his gas tanks and flush the coolant system on the chips. After about 5 years of doing this he wanted to put in a concrete pad. He did not have anyplace to dump the wood chips because of all the oil and crap. He asked me if I had any ideas and I did. So far the fungus has broken down about 1/5th of the pile. We have been doing this in small stages. to see the results. So far so good. Coffee grounds in high concentrations are a pesticide but also a herbicide (I found this out the hard way.) This means that in the compost pile they will keep out the pests and eventually kill the garden that you are trying to cultivate. Oyster mushroom fungus will eat the coffee grounds and break it down. Let me know if you have any other questions, fred At 08:22 AM 5/1/2003 -0700, you wrote: fred, what type of mushrooms are you using to remediate, and what is it that your remediating? sorry if i came in kinda late on this one but was just curious. josh - Original Message - From: Frederick E. Finch To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism Greg, Are you looking for anything in particular? I do some small scale bio-remediation using straw and sawdust/shavings to grow mushrooms, it then becomes compost for my garden. The sawdust is something I like better because I can get as much as I want for free. I need to pay for the straw but I hope that may change if I can find a source. fred At 09:47 AM 4/30/2003 -0600, you wrote: I have been looking around the internet for info about Bioremediation, for some time, and have not found much on the homeowner scale. About every thing so far, has been on the industrial / commercial scale. Have you found much for the small scale use of Bioremediation? If so were? Greg H. P.S. Don't forget, that when the cattails get over crowded, you can use the roots to make alk. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 08:04 Subject: Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism I'm looking at a constructed wetlands (pond) for grey water, and harvest the cattails and water hyacinths for the compost bin. This will attract a lot of wild life for our enjoyment. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Frederick E. Finch Delivery System Manager MINITEX Delivery Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (612) 624-3374 Direct 15 Andersen Library(612) 624-4002 Office 222 21st Avenue South (800) 462-5348 WATS Minneapolis MN 55455(612) 624-4508 FAX Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/cjB9SD/od7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send
Re: Could we stop all this POLITICAL Crap?? Was: America, Inc. Was: [biofuel] Re: How We Lost the Victory
ROFLMAO! fred On 20 Apr 2003, tboonefisher wrote: Bravo!! I agree 100%! I joined this list to LEARN about biofuels. Let's get on with it. Tom Fisher Dallas,TX - Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: Could we stop all this POLITICAL Crap?? Was: America, Inc. Was: [biofuel] Re: How We Lost the Victory Just so other members can laugh along and not be offended and upset. ILL say it. What does all this O.T. Political Crap have to do with Biofuels? Could we stop all this O.T. Political Crap and RETURN to biofuels??? There, it was said. :) Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] The result of the dissenter leaving ... would result in who's-left being the (as you call it) the toe-in-line-ers. Which would result in this country's BECOMING take your pickChina? Burma? Singapore? Syria? Saudi Arabia? North Korea? dozens of other countries in Africa and the Middle East. America ... to use corporate terms ... is a Company ... who The People (note Caps) ... are the Investors/ShareHolder. The Congress is the Board of Directors. The President ... um ...is the ... President/CEO. The Board/President ... is hired by the investors. Don't forget that. Always remember ... who works for who. Who was hired by who. And who can get FIRED by who. Dissenters are necessary. They keep the Board/President nervous. By always reminding them ... WHO ... was hired ... by WHO. - Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would disagree. I believe the world is becoming LESS democratic. No matter what any report says. Oh sure, votes are being taken ... laws enacted by counting those votes. But now PR agencies kick in ... paid for by powerful, invisible small groups of people ... who basically sway the votes ...one way or the other. The details Keith explains it well (help me out here, Keith). So once again ... a small group of people (sway the votes and ) control the laws being written. Laws that govern (spelled R.U.L.E.S.) all. Once again ... UNDEMOCRATIC. So to me, the authoritarianism isn't really disappearing ... it's just going underground. Curtis Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ford Ranger Diesel on eBay
Looks like Harley got it!! fred At 12:05 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2407022917 For those of you, like me, who would like a _small_ diesel pickup. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
