Re: [Biofuel] Acid catalyst for biodiesel production, hemp oil, smell of exhaust
Boy that is a blast from the past. It goes quite well with the my original posting which was nostalgic in nature though. I looked into hemp oil for biodiesel but got told that hemp oil was better used for other things like high grade cullinary oils with high yields of GLA from omega 3, 6 and 9. JD2005 sorry i am only now getting a chance to respond to this. i do make hemp seed oil based biodiesel (oil imported from Canada to thet go when used, aust smells more like funnel cake or donuts, not like so much reefer.o too if it was mixed right. Boy, the scent of that, with the coke and fries and the reafer, would be enough to send most good folks straight back to their college days. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Paddy O'Reilly I just pulled out one of my old humour emails which says The active ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid. Its pH is 2.8. I wonder could The Real Thing be used as the catalyst for making biodiesel - of course you may have to purify the coke first but your exhaust fumes may take on a sweet caramelised aroma on top of the french-fries - stomach-churning huh?! All you need then is a big mac and you've got a travelling take-away. The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Changfa diesel generator
Hi; Thanks to everyone for the response. I contacted an australian company about the cellular concrete and they do endorse it for use as a sound and thermal insulator. see www.buildlite.com.au Of more interest is the use of a tractor silencer or special silencer like the salt water idea. Does the salt water heat up? Ultimately I would like to run the generator on wvo filtered to 5 or ten microns and the exhaust may provide a better source of heat even than the water coolant to get the oil up to temperature. Thanks very much Andrew and Tracy and John and Paula Chase. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Changfa diesel generator
One thing has occured to me:I'm not suicidal yet but can you kill youself on biofuel or wvo/svo fumes? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
Hi Bob; There's not anything much more to add only that they were putting mildly radioactive material in washing powder to make the laundry dry more quickly.:-) JD2005 - Original Message - From: bob allen whoa doggies, could you elaborate on this a little? JD2005 wrote: I do not agree with the utilisation of water to get wasser stoff (hydrogen) but it is possible to dissociate water with radioactive material such as they are putting in washing power these days to make laundry dry more quickly. JD2005 - Original Message - From: bob allen I guess if you ran the electrolysis device in your living room to recover the lost heat, but still there have to be better ways to provide space heat. It would be just as efficient and a lot cheaper to run a bare nichrome wire for heat. Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind generator regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Sent: 25 Apr 2005 21:01:21 If your electrolyzer is 50% efficient then half the power is lost. I guess they are thinking they can make hydrogen in the daytime and burn it at night. A battery and a heatpump would be enormously more efficient. Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:OK, I did some poking around and had a little trouble finding a Watt-hr/BTU value for hydrogen production using electrolysis. Does anyone have a link with some stats? Mike Kirk McLoren wrote: Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low oxygen levels are a VERY BAD idea. Kirk Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Changfa diesel generator
Great Chears Hakan; It's the Changfa engine from a Jetman 12KVA generating set and it's very noisy.Presumably, because it's such a big engine.It's not, currently, sound proofed in any way but there is a baffle on the exhaust. It looks exactly like the picture on the first page of www.utterpower.com . I've seen baffles for the exhaust advertised on ebay.Would these make any significant difference to the noise? I could quite easily build a box around it with wood and line that with high temperature something or other to act as a sound proof.Do you know if this would work? What would be the best material to sound proof it with? I'm here in Oxfordshire in the UK. Slap bang in the middle of town. There is a cellar, however, part of which reaches under the pavement!If I can get the generator into this part of the cellar all aprox 200 KG of it or more and it cannot be heard on the street outside, when I run it, then I'll be quids in but if it can be heard then I've got to start thinking of ways to sound proof it so that I can sell it. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk I can look at it and maybe come up with some advices, but need information of what you mean by sound proof first. I also like to know the environment, how it is placed etc. Describe the problems. Hakan At 02:12 PM 4/27/2005, you wrote: Anybody know how to sound proof a Changfa diesel generator? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Changfa diesel generator
This is a good one thanks Doug although the foam on it's own or a foam on it's own may be just what I was looking for. I will be moving the generator tomorrow, trying to, so will get an idea of what kind of full on sound proofing I'm going to need. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Changfa diesel generator Why not make a Cellular concrete housing? Cellular concrete is made by adding foam (which looks like shaving foam) to a cement mortar mix. Check buildlite.com.au or other googled resources for more info. regards Doug On Thursday 28 April 2005 4:53, JD2005 wrote: Great Chears Hakan; It's the Changfa engine from a Jetman 12KVA generating set and it's very noisy.Presumably, because it's such a big engine.It's not, currently, sound proofed in any way but there is a baffle on the exhaust. It looks exactly like the picture on the first page of www.utterpower.com . I've seen baffles for the exhaust advertised on ebay.Would these make any significant difference to the noise? I could quite easily build a box around it with wood and line that with high temperature something or other to act as a sound proof.Do you know if this would work? What would be the best material to sound proof it with? I'm here in Oxfordshire in the UK. Slap bang in the middle of town. There is a cellar, however, part of which reaches under the pavement! If I can get the generator into this part of the cellar all aprox 200 KG of it or more and it cannot be heard on the street outside, when I run it, then I'll be quids in but if it can be heard then I've got to start thinking of ways to sound proof it so that I can sell it. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk I can look at it and maybe come up with some advices, but need information of what you mean by sound proof first. I also like to know the environment, how it is placed etc. Describe the problems. Hakan At 02:12 PM 4/27/2005, you wrote: Anybody know how to sound proof a Changfa diesel generator? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: hydrogen fire place
I do not agree with the utilisation of water to get wasser stoff (hydrogen) but it is possible to dissociate water with radioactive material such as they are putting in washing power these days to make laundry dry more quickly. JD2005 - Original Message - From: bob allen I guess if you ran the electrolysis device in your living room to recover the lost heat, but still there have to be better ways to provide space heat. It would be just as efficient and a lot cheaper to run a bare nichrome wire for heat. Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: I would think that you could power the electrolizer with PV or a wind generator regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hydrogen fire place Sent: 25 Apr 2005 21:01:21 If your electrolyzer is 50% efficient then half the power is lost. I guess they are thinking they can make hydrogen in the daytime and burn it at night. A battery and a heatpump would be enormously more efficient. Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:OK, I did some poking around and had a little trouble finding a Watt-hr/BTU value for hydrogen production using electrolysis. Does anyone have a link with some stats? Mike Kirk McLoren wrote: Supplemental oxygen is mandatory in an unvented heater in most cases. Otherwise the oxygen level would get very low. Most ventless heaters are cycling on their low oxygen sensor as a result. Ventless heaters are cheap, thus the appeal. They are not of much use north of say Georgia. Besides, low oxygen levels are a VERY BAD idea. Kirk Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This is interesting - a hydrogen fireplace. Uses standard electrolysis of water. You still have to use electricity for it to work so it is definately not free heat but it doesn't need any venting so it can be easily installed. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Changfa diesel generator
Anybody know how to sound proof a Changfa diesel generator? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Next Oil War?
From: Keith Addison The Next Oil War? . China, driven by its rising internal demand for oil supplies, now looks at Taiwan not only as an nationalist issue, but as as a strategic necessity. Effective possession of Taiwan would help secure 80 percent of Chinese oil supply routes. I though they just signed some big business aqgreement with India (unlike MG Rover who they've just left high and dry in some possible agreement with Shanghi Automotive)? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US Takes the Lead in Trashing Planet
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison Subject: [Biofuel] US Takes the Lead in Trashing Planet If the American people vito bush and decide go green you would have a best case scenario rather than one of the worst case scenarios on the planet. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
I see why they call it down under now.Perpetural motion isn't possible on this planet. I think not in this universe.This guy has slid over into another dimension or what? JD2005 - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Who is the freest; was Global Bully Goes to Guatemala
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison Global Bully Goes to Guatemala By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman There's something profoundly disturbing -- sickening, really -- about watching a bully at work. You feel either complicit, or powerless, or both. The global bully, the United States... I didn't read all of this but I would like to agree with the bit about the bully. When you have got , for what ever reason, a militaristic/politically-motivated-war-fare scheme in progress I think you let in a plethora of bad spirits, a veritable, pandoras box of bad goings on which some types of people thrive on and others don't. Maciavelli advocated this as a means to an ends (much in the same way as some newer types of organic gardener adovate using systemic weed killer on land to kill everything before starting on an organic scheme.). More socialist countries like Spain, France and Germany have put their collective foot down and said NO to this kind of goings on.We in the UK and other coalition countrys have not. Who is the freest? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Animal fat
I don't know if you'v mentioned this method yet but it might be worth a try it's not for novice biofuel makers. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth It would be worth discussing it with Kieth Addison before attempting it. I think you'll find he's very patient and helpful. JD2005 - Original Message - From: James Gillies I have been making biodeisel from WVO for a few years, running a diesel car, a boiler and three tractors. I have used the single stage method to make several thousand litres without a problem. I have recently been offered a significant quantity of animal fat (in Australia Frytol), and while I have plenty of WVO I am reluctant to knock the offer back... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Haken Falk and Anti-fossil
Mi ka cest su ka sa (phonetic spelling only) - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk JD2005, Sorry if I came on too hard, because I do understand what you mean. That is that it is too many born to this world, not that it is too many running around. Birth control and family planning is very different, from saying that some of us are too many. Birth control and family planning are also alien to me. As alien as genocide or abortion. important to be careful with this kind of expressions, because many genocides started with what looks like harmless expressions. Depends on which side of the depleted uranium penertraters your on and what kind of frame of mind your in. I also wanted to point out that this kind of expressions are made by people who live in societies where the individual footprint is maybe 100 times larger than in developing societies. The biggest problem is the irresponsible energy waste and pollution, not over population, and something must be done about it. I will have to agree to diagree with you on this one.I think overcrowding is a part of the downward spiral. However, I don't think that primitive people should be gassed or sterolised in exchange for a transistor radio. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ishmael/ was: Too many People
Ok thanks. At first I was insulted what with Ishmael being a gorilla but I'm not any more and will be going to the book shop or library tomorrow to find a copy. Thank you, JD2005 - Original Message - From: Joanne Olafson Regarding both posts of these posts (see below) from JD2005, you can also check this website: www.ishmael.com - the website was started when the book was published. And yes, I also have very high regard for the book Ishmael. I totally agree with Marylynn: and you are interested in this subject...then reading this is a must. Regards, Joanne ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Haken Falk and Anti-fossil
May I start by saying I do not wish to have a fallacious exchange with anybody. I maintain, there are too many people.If, because I believe that, that makes me a bad person, well, I will just have to burden that.Yet; ' no see ', it's not the likes of me who are going around killing everybody. Is it! In my defence I think what I wrote was written in as diplomatic a format as possible and think what I wrote needed writing. JD2005 n.b, I should mention that the manner and tennor of what these two people have posted has not come across as they intended it too. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ishmael/ was: Too many People
From: Marylynn Schmidt For those of you that have not had the opportunity to read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn .. and you are interested in this subject .. then reading this is a must. Is this the one about mother earth getting her revenge.I can't think of the name they use for mother earth though. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: the several Billion dead one
Stop, Rewind; I seem to have hit a major nerve ganglion which has triggered a very mixed but passionate response from everybody.I should clarify what I believe. I believe that had we utilised renewables and lived a less urbane (hope this is what I mean, squalid town/city based existence) but natural existence communing with nature and the like there would be fewer people. That's what I believe.I do not believe that there should be mass exterminations or a maximum age or anything like that at all. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Ray in Atlanta GA? What are you going to do with them? The powers that be want several billion dead. Are you advocating a mass extermination of the worthless eaters like they are? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid?
Hi; Ive been wondering out in the wilderness of the internet looking into boidiesel and SVO and the like.Alot of the most recent questions may be answered by a vistit to: http://www.biofuels.ca Particuarluy those about drying and cleaning waste vegetable oil plus the suitability of diesels. I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Acid catalyst for biodiesel production
Make sure it's the organic non genetically modified stuff. You don't know what they're putting in that stuff these day's. LOL Sorry to ruffle you're feathers. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Kenneth Kron (CEO) I believe the traditional spelling is !reefer!. Get it right or I'm going to have to have a smoke to calm myself down! JD2005 wrote: No, I spealt it wrong I think I meant refer. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Chris That would put a hint reafer in there too if it was mixed right. Boy, the scent of that, with the coke and fries and the reafer, would be enough to send most good folks straight back to their college days. Reafer is what keeps the trailer cold on the truck, right? Chris Kueny Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2]http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [3]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): [4]http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [5]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [7]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel 3. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html 4. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ 5. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 6. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel]
- Original Message - From: Jerry T Van Horn info but I have to figure out how to use my PH meter. You should definately check out the alternative method. see: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth Keith addison pointed this out to me in an earlier posting.Boy, this reminds me of chemistry lab. at school. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] remedial help required
Hi; Fortunately, I'm a member of the British Red Cross so if anything does go wrong I will pretty much know what to do although I do not, as a rule, handle major incidence. Even more fortunately one of our local Red Cross big wigs is a chemistry teacher so I'm lucky in being able to consult her, generally, about soap making, at least, she's not so clued up on biofuel. This in mind I will definately be attempting the foolproof method. I've also applied for a license to handle denatured ethanol in the hope that I can 'dry' this enough. I understand that I will require potassium hydroxide for this reaction.Will I be able to utilise the foolproof method with ethenol? JD2005 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison Start again. Start here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Read the whole thing. Try to eschew such items as bursting thermometers, dissolving picnic spoons and breathing hot fumes. Mix the methoxide properly as recommended below and use a blender for the biodiesel reaction. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Acid catalyst for biodiesel production
No, I spealt it wrong I think I meant refer. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Chris That would put a hint reafer in there too if it was mixed right. Boy, the scent of that, with the coke and fries and the reafer, would be enough to send most good folks straight back to their college days. Reafer is what keeps the trailer cold on the truck, right? Chris Kueny Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biogas from deoiled cake
- Original Message - From: Dr. Paul Raj hallo will somebody solve our problem we started producing biogas from deoiled cake from Pongamia pinnata seeds. In our experiment we iitially used cow dung for the digester and when the bio gas production started we slowly replace the dung with pongamia deoiled cake. the was going on for three days and now surpricingly the gas production rate reduced. we replace daily one kg of cake. our plant is an experimental one with 0.5 m3 capacity. our doubt is whether any chemical in the cake retard the bacterial growth. i would be thankful if any body clarify our doubt and sove our problem. i read that the pongamia cke is an ideal raw material for biogas production. our cake contain about 5% oil on it. thanking you Sincerely Dr. S. Paulraj I'm not an expert but it sounds as though it needs a dose of m m's (anti-biotic) followed by a course of live yoghurt... Sorry I couldn't resist that. Are you using the methane to make methanol? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] remedial help required
Hi, After attempting to make a 100ml sample (i.e. 100ml virgin oil). I'm left with 120ml of glumpy emulsion with a strong chemical smell. Will this ever separate or is this soap? I've had trouble disolving my caustic soda granules which seem to be, on average, over 1.25 mm in diameter so I've tried smashing them with a hammer but I fear that moisture may be getting in this way unless my methanol is spiked. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] remedial help required
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison Did you heat it? I heated the oil to 50 degrees celcius. Actually, the thermometer I used burst so some alcohol went in there but I'd hoped that that had evaporated off.I cooled it a bit by waiting. How did you agitate it? I agitated it with a spoon. A plastic picnic spoon which I think, unfortunately, started to dissolved. I must admit. For how long? Until it went thick. Like french salad dressing when you've added the whole grain mustard; a thick emulsion. Identical, infact, to a french whole grain mustard salad dressing in colour and texture. I've had trouble disolving my caustic soda granules which seem to be, on average, over 1.25 mm in diameter so I've tried smashing them with a hammer but I fear that moisture may be getting in this way unless my methanol is spiked. See Methoxide the easy way http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth Are your scales and measuring flasks etc accurate? No; this I will rectify by buying an electronic scales and thermometer and I think my measuring pippet is good. Best Keith Thanks for your help again. All the best, JD2005 P.S. currently my methnol is, currently, hooked up to a 110v half wave rectified (like crude DC) power supply and does drop a , relatively small, potential so a current is being drawn although I've not been able to measure it yet. This is interesting because I didn't think it would conduct at all. This may mean that you can dry methanol in this way if necessary. Also, I was looking through jfe recently and happened on the emmissions content of emr in relation to eer.Is it that the methanol can pass on it's greenhouse gas effect even when it has been turned into emr and burnt? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Acid catalyst for biodiesel production
That's a good one, Anybody know anything about hemp seed oil as a suitable crop oil for Biofuel? That would put a hint reafer in there too if it was mixed right. Boy, the scent of that, with the coke and fries and the reafer, would be enough to send most good folks straight back to their college days. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Paddy O'Reilly I just pulled out one of my old humour emails which says The active ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid. Its pH is 2.8. I wonder could The Real Thing be used as the catalyst for making biodiesel - of course you may have to purify the coke first but your exhaust fumes may take on a sweet caramelised aroma on top of the french-fries - stomach-churning huh?! All you need then is a big mac and you've got a travelling take-away. The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] using ethanol for BioD based on
- Original Message - From: John Wilson using ethanol for BioD based on eletromagnetic radiation. HI, Anyone know the details of this process or where one can find how it works. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens I think the technology for this is similar to that used an alkaliser. Alkalisers are employed to make hydroxyl from tap (forcet) water. Hydroxyl is HO or h one o.In other words an electron is dissociated form water H2O to produce hydroxyl.Hydroxyl is the form in which water is stored in the cells of the human body it is also the stuff of ice bergs and ice sheets.It exchanges, like all things in this solar system, energy on the infra red spectrum or a spectrum of frequencies that doesn't look too dissimilar from the mobile phone licensing frequencies. Indeed, when we look for water in space we look for hydroxyl with our radio telescopes and since hydroxyl can be made to resonate at the lower end of the spectrum we get an hydroxyl maser.I digress. The point I wish to make is that the dissociation reaction in an alkaliser is spead (note the hard verb) up by the use of an electronic scheme involving platinum electrodes and the like.There is a magnetic or load stone version but it is much slower. Anyhow, I think that chemical reactions, generally, can be spead up by a magenetic field.I'm not sure whether it must be lined up with the earth's magnetic field or not.I suppose if one conducted experiments in a lead enclosure this would not matter too much. Waffle waffle. Sorry if I've wasted your time. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] MB Brasil and Patent
Is that a world patent? Dated when? JD2005 - Original Message - From: Pannir P.V Hi Adrian The USP ,Riberao preto Dr Prof. Dr. Miguel J. Dabdoubhas developed new process for using ethanol for BioD based on eletromagnetic radiation.It is true that some private company related with the Big Alcohol making firm in Brasil are involved to get this process using his graduate students and MB Brasil are indirectly suported by this private company. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] affordable methanol in uk
These guys just chargesd me £30.00 for a sample :-( JD2005 - Original Message - From: philip reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] affordable methanol in uk Hi, Try albion Chemicals, Approx £90 per 205L drum --- JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris Bennet, Thank you for getting back to me.I'm trying to look into ways of turning wvo into biofuel but havn't been able to get started due to severe problems getting methanol.I've even applied for a license to use denatured ethanol and industrial meths in case I could get any of these to work. Utimately, I'm hoping to get off the grid and the gas. Well more off them than I am already by means of a diesel generator. I've found a company in the uk who are looking into importing low rev diesel generators (water cooled) that can run on biofuel and svo etc without adaptation. See www.utterpower.com Also, www.f1-rocketboy.com/lister.html I havn't had time to look at these properly yet. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Chris Bennett JD2005 wrote: Hi; Is there anybody on this list who knows where to purchase methanol for a reasonable price in the uk, england? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ I used a company called 'Almetron' in Wrexham. They charged about £14 per 25litre drum plus vat. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What Kind of Car?
- Original Message - From: Paddy O'Reilly I've often thought about a car that would re-charge itself by solar panels when its sitting outside our offices for 8+ hours a day. Has anybody looked at this scenario - where the electric-only car recharges itself during daylight hours through the use of solar panels integrated into the body panels? Is this the one where you use a diesel generator, running biofuel of course, to keep the batteries topped up? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What Kind of Car?
Hi; Yes, I think this would be an highly marketable vehicle in a sunny country. You would need additional stuff like supperconductor motors and bearings to make this work in colder darker countries like the uk or other parts of northern europe.Now that really is a long way off. Vis solar powered vehicle or dual powered vehicles, not so far off. Infact, we see one every now and then up and running.Exhibition pieces only but working non the less. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Paddy O'Reilly Could a diesel hybrid with solar panels could be a marketable product? JD2005 wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] need a catchy title
How about fry or yyy join us if you don't want to die. sort of thing. JD2005 - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO To list, On friday I have been asked to talk about my biodiesel project. I need a good title. I was thinking of calling it: Why does that bus smell like french fries? A look at diesel fuel from vegitable oil. any (quick) thoughts? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] affordable methanol in uk
- Original Message - From: michael hicks Try Jennychem 016934 290770 Myke Bristol Ok, myke I checked these and they are very good.They are really interested in customers and offering a good price. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] need a catchy title
OK; It's a while since I was at college so I'm totally out of it these days I can see that or in it dependent on which way you look at it. How about buy life and pinch your wife's Frying oil. How to do this and why you should do it. JD2005 - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO How about fry or yyy join us if you don't want to die. sort of thing. JD2005 While it is catchy I would have to say I'm not big on the fear of death motivation! This reminds me of a poster we have here at the university. Its about sun burning and it say, Fry now, Pay later in reference to skin cancer! Thanks! -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] affordable methanol in uk
Thanks will do. JD2005 - Original Message - From: michael hicks Try Jennychem 016934 290770 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] affordable methanol in uk
Hi Chris Bennet, Thank you for getting back to me.I'm trying to look into ways of turning wvo into biofuel but havn't been able to get started due to severe problems getting methanol.I've even applied for a license to use denatured ethanol and industrial meths in case I could get any of these to work. Utimately, I'm hoping to get off the grid and the gas. Well more off them than I am already by means of a diesel generator. I've found a company in the uk who are looking into importing low rev diesel generators (water cooled) that can run on biofuel and svo etc without adaptation. See www.utterpower.com Also, www.f1-rocketboy.com/lister.html I havn't had time to look at these properly yet. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Chris Bennett JD2005 wrote: Hi; Is there anybody on this list who knows where to purchase methanol for a reasonable price in the uk, england? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ I used a company called 'Almetron' in Wrexham. They charged about £14 per 25litre drum plus vat. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] affordable methanol in uk
Hi; Is there anybody on this list who knows where to purchase methanol for a reasonable price in the uk, england? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap
I don't agree with this at all. JD2005 - Original Message - From: John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:10 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap Kyoto is nothing more than a means for the government in power to syphon from the tax payer billions of dollars for their friends and has very little to do with global warming. It also helps those countries that do not have a supply of fossil to gain a competitive edge. We are living in the tail end of an ice age. The weather we are living in, in geological time is not normal. Global warming in my opinion is caused changes in speed of continental drift. As the continents speed up the earths mantle becomes thinner and volcanic activity greatly increases. This increase, heats up the great thermal buffers the oceans and the volcanoes release millions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere causing the inevitable global warming. Kyoto is a lot like taking aspirin for cancer. It may ease the pain a bit but will not cure the ailment and an extremely expensive placebo. We should be focusing on the health and cost benefits of non fosil fuels and not on Kyoto. With the amount of diesel equipment that I drive I might as well take up smoking 5 packs a day of cigarettes. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO in central heating burners
Hi; Would glycerin do as well? JD2005 - Original Message - From: Andreas W Ohnsorge Currently I am running my central heating on WVO in a modified Mannesman (blue) burner. Modified because the material used in the nozzle, the filter and in the pre-heater (sintered bronze, brass) oxidizes over time and cloggs the nozzle. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto...
- Original Message - Keith Addison I've been watching all this for 13 years now, well longer, but in 1992 I did a major publishing job at the final, ministerial-level UN climate-change conference that preceded the Rio Earth Summit. We produced an online (via GreenNet) conference newspaper for a world coalition of NGOs at the conference, held for two weeks in Nairobi prior to the Rio Earth Summit. The NGOs had observer status, and we put the paper online (courtesy of Apple) every evening, sending it worldwide for local re-distribution by NGOs in each country. By the following morning we'd received their feedback for inclusion in the next edition, which was in hardcopy on all the official delegates' tables when they arrived for the day. Very effective. Advanced for those days My mother sat on the local LA21 steering committee for the region (Cherwell Valley, uk) which was eventually disbanded in favour of two NGO level representatives and a quarterly environmental forum. I think it has been a mistake to opt for this.I am an inventer and have worked in a number of fields but in 'alternative' energy saving technology since the early 90s I have a couple of good strong inventions being an energy regulating equipment which clips any overvoltage (in excess of the EU standard 230v rms) and uses it to heat water and charge batteries and an Hysteresis Compensating device that provides masses of hot water by compensating for the hysteresis losses in thermostatically controlled equipment.Meanwhile, the local authority have just been granted a cool million pounds sterling to implement a recycling scheme in the region. Well, I'm not on any NGO committee but I'm recycling electricity here but cannot get haypenny. Either of my inventions would really help you good people in China incidentally. I'm currently looking to gain the Chinese patent rights. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Ethanol from glycerin
Anybody achieved this the result of the absolute alcohol process? JD2005 P.S. I saw a Duralog product for sale at our local hardware store, here in Banbury near Oxford, UK.Easy to light burns for two hours!I was reminded of the milk carton, wood shavings and glycerin log detailed at Jfe, however, I couldn't read the constituants of the product because they were in german or jpanese or some language. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
- Original Message - From: Legal Eagle G'day JD; Using a simple to make condenser. There is an example at the bottom of the 5 gallon processor at JtF http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html . I have just finished one of these and am hooking it up to a pressure cooker. This is yet experimental, so don't run out and do it. The first use worked so so. Is this the same as the absolute alcohol process?Alcohol from methanol. Or is that something different again? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
- Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham -Or you could just recover the alcohol before burning. Andy By evaporation...Is there an easy, non-expensive way of doing this using standard eqipment that could be purchased anywhere in the world (i.e. the UK)? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
Thank you for this thread. It is one of the best threads at the moment because it is constructive. When you make boifuel you are left with alot of glycerin we all know that. What we don't know is what this glycerin can be utilised for. Also if the glycerin is from a wvo reaction to make rem or ree whether it is suitable for making soap or not. JD2005 Presumeably lye water would be realy an ideal method of making soap from glycerin. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
Ok Thanks, The burning idea with the milk cartons looks really good to us here. We're burning wood and stuff on an old oxfordshire range here at the moment.I wouldn't put one on untill we'd got a really hot fire though because of the poison fumes it can cause.Also you stand stand to lose methanol or ethanol that way unless you separate that out. The FFA separation with some kind of expensive acid I reject on the grounds of expense. Unless, I could (I havn't got any methanol or a license for ethenol yet.) find a market for the pure glycerin. JD2005 - Original Message - From:Legal Eagle G'day JD; Yes, maybe, and that is the experimenting part :-) There is a lot of info at JtF about soap making too, have you snooped it ? Also about seperating the FFA's from the glycerine. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycsep.html http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html JD2005 Presumeably lye water would be realy an ideal method of making soap from glycerin. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] very dark biodiesel
- Original Message - anibal wrote hello, keith, jd,fox,eagle and all. i apologize for not being very outgoign and not posting anything else besides help requests... Mi ca cest sous ca sa. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] very dark biodiesel
- Original Message - Keith Addison Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:07 Of course you DO have to look in the first place. Which was why I pointed you to the List resources after your first post - My appologise thank you (not forgetting Appal Energy). Has there been anything on the conductivity of wvo at various temperatures?I'm sure wvo varies in consistancy and I'm not wishing to stress you at all but am wodering if passing a current through wvo to alter it's ph may be a possibility. After all, pure water is an insulator being only the impurities in it that produce a conductor from what is, basically, a solvent. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] very dark biodiesel
- Original Message - Keith Addison Anibal A lot of people have responded to your questions and given you a lot of help and advice, but you do not respond to them, nor even acknowledge it other than a generalised thanks (for exactly what nobody knows except you). Please respond to the replies your questions get on the list - response and feedback is required, especially if you want to go on getting help. If it appears that you simply take no notice of people, they won't respond to you anymore. That's not how a discussion works when you're talking with your friends, why would you think it works that way here? Hi Friend, I Agree.This thread has been the most interesting to me as a newby. Also of the threads it seems to be the most constructive and potentially fruitfull presumeably even to the single most experienced people. I have been helped by other people like lagal eagle and fox moulder be it simply because they've resonded or taken a rudimentary interest in what I've posted and I would like to thank them. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react
- Original Message - From: fox mulder Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:53 AM hi biodiesel is methyl or ethylesters (an organic molecule) isn't it that you are carrying out electrolysis for which you need an ionic electrolyte? fox Great question.I'm glad you asked me that.I'm not an expert so I'm afraid that I will not be able to give you a good answer. However , much of my experience is with making alkalisers for water thence altering the PH of water by altering the oxidisation reduction potential or ORP of the water molecule. It occurs to me that perhaps my posting was a bit brash. However, if there were any water in the mix it would dissotiate it (probably best performed at the first melting of the wvo stage.) Also, the electrical current would increase any effect that the earths magnetic field had on the reaction (arguably time) thence may be useful at the adding of the Methanol/lye product Methoxide to the melted/heated wvo.I havn't tried it yet in as much as I haven't even worked on any of the reactions. Indeed, I am currently in the process of obtaining Methanol for my first experiments. I do possess a platinum electrode, however, which you'll need to conduct this procedure successfully. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react
- Message - G'day JD: Have you read through the material at the JtF site ? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Those questions snd more are all answered there. Luc Hi; I looked at this when I read your first posting about two minutes ago. It look prema faci like a very thorough and usefull document. Enlarging on my previous posting... which was by no means an expert one of any kind.I merely seem to recall reading somewhere I think it was at http://www.smartveg.com/ forum well worth a visit anyhow that wvo had an higher acid content than svo or even derv.The older the oil the more acidic it becomes.Also, wvo has water and impurities in it that would not make it an ideal replacement for svo in a dual tank scheme for example... JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react
Hi, I just read this more thoroughly. I think if you've got a particuarly sticky batch of wvo you might try passing a current through it. This would alter the orp of any mollecules in there and therby the PH of the whole thing. As a catalyst, I think you'll find that this is the very fastest. All you need is PP9 cell and at least one platinum electrode. JD2005 - Original Message - G'day JD: Have you read through the material at the JtF site ? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Those questions snd more are all answered there. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react
Hi; I'm a new member.I just read that WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil) has got a higher level of acidity than ordinary oil. (particuarly rapeseed oil which is why it's used.) Might the acidity of the wvo have an effect on the reaction. I think lye is an alkali but i'm not a chemist so I don't know, unfortunately. JD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
