[Biofuel] Quality Issues: Big vs. Small
"Biodiesel Groups Recommend Action Plan for Minnesota Quality Problems"http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/01/biodiesel_group.html#moreKeith / Lyle,Do you see this as an example of various BIG interests moving production "rights" further into the hands of large-scale producers, therefore, further away from backyarders and small-scale producers?I think that quality lies in the hands of the fuel maker, and that there are high quality fuel makers in commercial production, and in the back yard. There are also poor quality fuel producers in each.I don't see this as a "power grab" by the NBB or by commercial producers. I see this as a "stop gap" solution to a genuine problem, which is fuel quality in this industry.I think the fuel quality issue if well known to the NBB, which is why they have tried to encourage BQ 9000. And I think there are a tremendous amount of backyarders who are intimate with fuel quality issues. After all, it was the grassroots biodiesel movement that pushed NBB for quality standards in 2003-2004.Minnesota is a high profile example of something we have all seen before. And while it may be bruising, and while it may hurt the perception of the fuel, it's not really a new message.If you are making crappy fuel (whether you are a little coop or a giant agricultural interest) don't let it hit the streets. Lyle EstillPiedmont Biofuelswww.biofuels.coop919-321-8260Fax: 919-321-6769 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Composting Glycerin by-product
Bob,My understanding is that glycerin tends to suffocate worms--sticks to them and they "drown," making it a rotten feedstock for vermiculture.On Dec 7, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Robert Carr wrote:Hi all,I have decided to go the composting route to dispose of my glycerinby-product, but I want to combine this process with at least one other. Iplan to dispose of garden waste, household compostibles and glycerin b-ptogether, but want to get another usable or saleable by product.Has anyone checked out the effects of puting glycerin by-product in a wormcomposter? Would this harm the worms?Another thought is will glycerin b-p ruin mushroom compost?All thoughts and opinions appreciated.Regards Bob___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Lyle EstillPiedmont Biofuelswww.biofuels.coop919-321-8260Fax: 919-321-6769 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Piedmont Biofuels
We need to add a line to our website which says, "Be Careful What You Wish For."On Oct 18, 2005, at 6:48 PM, Ramon wrote:Hi GuysCheck out this web site - this is something like what I'd like to setup in the Philippines - a coop of course.Best regards,Mon---http://www.biofuels.coop/coop.shtml--Piedmont BiofuelsCO-OPPiedmont Biofuels is a worker and member owned cooperative. Ourmission is to lead the grassroots sustainability movement in NorthCarolina by using and encouraging the use of clean, renewablebiofuels.We are involved in a wide variety of undertakings in support of this mission:We provide pure biodiesel (B100) to the community.We provide a space where worker members can make their own fuel fromwaste vegetable oil.We have a USDA Research Farm where we do oilseed crop research.We have an elaborate glycerin composting facility.We do education and outreach on both biodiesel and enginemodifications that enable people to use straight vegetable oil (SVO)as fuel.We lobby the North Carolina legislature, as well as our nationalrepresentatives, on behalf of biodiesel and alternative fuels.We have an intern program that allows people to live on site and learnabout all facets of our operations.Becoming a MemberBecoming a member-owner of the coop entitles you to buy biodiesel fromthe coop or learn how to make your own using our equipment. Signing upis easy. Just read the membership agreement and drop off or mail us asigned copy along with your check for $50. We also accept credit cardpayments over the phone or via the web.Web MailPO Box 661Pittsboro, NC 27312 Phone(919) 321-8260___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Lyle EstillPiedmont Biofuelswww.biofuels.coop919-321-8260Fax: 919-321-6769 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] solar tracking devices
Does your 30% gain depend on where you are on the planet? Wouldn't it be less for those further south and more for those in northern climes? On Jun 17, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Michael Redler wrote: I've been researching the cost of solar power and whether or not it's cost effective to use a solar tracking device. There are not a lot of manufacturers of solar trackers. However, some of the calculations I've done would indicate that if the price were kept low enough, it would lower your total price for solar electricity. Here isan example that I've been using based on a tracker that can accommodate a 1sq meter panel. I arbitrarily picked a cost of $1000.00 for my first iteration: $5.00 per watt x 1000 watts = $5000,00 per square meter (approximately) for PV panels. If I found a tracker which will hold a 1m sq panel for $1000.00 and I get a 30% panel output increase, (that's $5000.00 x .30 = $1500.00 worth of PV power for a $1000 investment) I think I wouldcome out ahead. Results: Total cost for 1000 watts (without tracker) = $5000.00 or $5.00 per watt Total cost for 1300 watts (with tracker) = $6000.00 or $4.62 per watt The cost of the power gained from using a tracker = $1000.00/300 watts = $3.33 per watt I think this may be relevant to those biofuelers who wouldprefer to process their fuel in a location where power from the grid or their homes may not be asconvenient as a more autonomous source, using PV. Even if the speculation is true and we see a reduction in PV power cost (projected $2.00 per watt), These cost calculations would still be fairly reasonable whenone has limitedspace. Can anyone confirm or correct these calculations? Mike References: The 1000 watts is based on the estimatedsolar power radiated onto the Earth's surface per square meter. http://physics.mtsu.edu/~klumpe/astr1030/lectures/ Chapter%2009.pdf#search='1000%20Watts%20per%20square%20meter%20sun'pag e 1 The price per Watt for PV panels is based on: http://www.solarbuzz.com/ModulePrices.htm 30% is an estimated average increase in power outputfrom a comparison betweenpanels in a fixed position (30 degrees incline) and panels mounted to a tracker. http://www.wattsun.com/resources.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Lyle Estill Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-321-8260 Fax: 919-321-6769 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] IRS Extension
. This inconsistency creates a situation where the sale of biodiesel in intermediate storage containers is taxable pursuant to Section 4041(a)(1), but is not eligible for the Income Tax Credit because it was not placed into the persons vehicle at the time of sale. We would greatly appreciate clarification on when the Section 4041(a)(1) tax is applicable and when the Income Tax Credit is applicable for sales of biodiesel where the fuel is not placed into fuel tank of the person's vehicle. The Biodiesel Income Tax Credit should be able to be carried forward It is not clear to us whether or not the Biodiesel Income Tax Credit can be carried forward. In a phone conversation with Susan Athy on February 10, 2005, she was unable to answer whether or not the Biodiesel Income Tax Credit can be carried forward. Ms. Athy kindly referred me to Susan Reman, in department 5 of passthroughs, but as of today, I have not heard back from Ms. Reman. We believe the Biodiesel Income Tax Credit should be able to be carried forward. Many of the businesses selling biodiesel are small businesses, and like many new businesses, they have limited or no taxable income. Thus, if the Biodiesel Income Tax Credit cannot be carried forward, it would not provide the incentive Congress intended when it passed the Biodiesel Income Tax Credit as part of the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004, because it would be of limited use to the nascent biodiesel industry. Calculation of the credit for Agri-biodiesel and all other biodiesel It is unclear from the Bulletin how the credit for a mixture that included both agri- biodiesel and non-agri-biodiesel would be calculated. We believe that the credit should be based on the individual credits of each fuel. This should be administratively easy, since a certificate from the producer of the biodiesel is required to claim the credit. For example, in a 10,000 gallon mixture comprised of 5,000 gallons of diesel, 2,500 gallons of agri-biodiesel and 2,500 gallons of non-agri-biodiesel, the calculation of the tax incentive should be 2,500g x $1.00 + 2,500g x $0.50 for a total Excise Tax Credit of $3,750. Section 4041(a)(1) tax should not be imposed on a biodiesel mixture Section 4041(a)(1) imposes tax on any liquid other than gasoline sold for use as a fuel in a diesel-powered highway vehicle, unless tax was imposed on the liquid by Section 4081 and not credited for refunded. Since Section 6426 provides a credit against the tax imposed by Section 4081 for a Biodiesel Mixture, it seems that the Biodiesel Mixture may be taxable under Section 4041(a)(1). We do not believe that this was the intention of Congress and there may be a provision in 4041 or Section 6426 that addresses this issue, but if there is we were unable to find it. Please confirm that a Biodiesel Mixture, which is taxed pursuant to Section 4081 and which receives a credit pursuant to Section 6426 is not taxable pursuant to Section 4041. We respectfully request that you carefully evaluate the likely negative consequences of the proposed regulations. Thank you for consideration of this important matter. If you have any questions or need anything further please contact me at 415-218-3766. Sincerely, Eric M. Bowen Attorney-at-Law On behalf of: BioFuel Oasis - CA Central Oklahoma Clean Cities Program - OK CoopPlus - MA CoopPower MA East Tennessee Clean Cities Program - TN Ft. Lauderdale Clean Cities Program - FL Greater Philadelphia Clean Cities Program - PA Harbec Plastics, Inc. NY Healthfuel - CA Peoples Power Light RI Philadelphia Fry-O-Diesel - PA Piedmont Biofuels Coop- NC San Francisco Biofuels Cooperative CA The Energy Cooperative - MA Yokayo Biofuels - CA Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Be glad you don't have to routinely calculate the volume of tanks. American measurement is idiotic. And while I am glad you are free to use it, I wish America would get a clue. On Jan 21, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Andrew Cunningham wrote: Have you ever tried to lift one of those little dots? And forget trying to erase it and write it in another location. Perhaps you have better pencils up in Canada but quite frequently the dot isn't completely erased and just causes confusion later. As an american, I enjoy the freedom to not use metric. Andy Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
celebration? On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Appal Energy wrote: Hello Peggy, It's a very exciting time to be active in these pursuits. Not to be the token, crusty, old, curmudgeon. But I don't think I'll be getting overly exited and start passing out party balloons until fossil and nuclear fuel subsidies are also reduced/eliminated, Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Estimating WVO Volume
. Hope this helps. Phillip Wolfe --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone estimat= ed total WVO volume at any scale? In thest1:placeU.S.= , or in a state. Perhaps from the front end taking the am= ount produced, how much for fryers, figure out per capita, then you could e= stimate for your community? I've tried from th= e other end; number of restaurants, typical volume per week, building= up, to an estimate of 50 to 75,000 gallons per year for a town of 40,000.= nbsp; Ideas? _ Msg sent via @bmi.net Mail v4 - http://www.bmi.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] The Balfour Decision Reconsidered
When I studied the war of 1812 in grade nine in Canada, this was exactly the view. The U.S. wanted territory, failed to take it, therefore lost the war--to Canada nonetheless. Studying the same war in 10th grade in the United States, the message was The U.S. has never lost a war. Korea and Vietnam did not count as they were police actions. On Jan 1, 2005, at 9:53 PM, Darryl McMahon wrote: I don't think the War of 1812 counts as a U.S. win either. IIRC my history correctly, that began as a European war (Napoleonic), and the U.S. decided to grab the North American British colonies while Britain was distracted on the continent, part of American expansionist desires (later known as Manifest Destiny). Yes, some British policies (impressing sailors from ships at sea, including some U.S. citizens, to man her ships) did provide a pretext for U.S. campaigns into British territories, but the desires to do so go back at least as far as 1810 in Congressional records. Instead, Washington D.C. was attacked, and the Executive Mansion - later the White House - was set afire by British troops in August 1814. In fact, this act was the basis for the name. The building was not completely destroyed by the fire, and in the subsequent hasty rebuilding, the structure (originally yellow IIRC) was painted white (as white paint was the easiest to obtain quickly). In the end, the U.S. gained no British territory after their campaigns north in 1812-1814. They did succeed in invading and occupying Spanish territories during this period, e.g. parts of what is now Florida, Louisiana and Texas. Actually, the U.S. ended up ceding the Passamaquoddy Islands and Grand Manan Island to the British as part of the war settlement (Treaty of Ghent and subsequent to 1817). In general, the British simply chose to hold their own territories in North America during this period. In those cases where they did take American territory, they withdrew shortly afterward. In fact, the British were distracted in Europe, and did not wish to put any more resources into N.A. than absolutely necessary. History certainly has its quirks. Darryl Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not know of any war, except the civil war, were the American soldier has been the winner. Maybe Iraq will be the first, but I personally doubt it. You Brits seem to have a short memory - did you forget the American Revolution and the War of 1812? I can see why you might want to forget those. But why did you forget the Spanish-American War, The Mexican War and the first Gulf War? Ken -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Food waste and Leaping for $1.50
It's not that wasting 1.50 a day worth of food is a given, and that the job is to figure out a way to convert this waste into something meaningful for those who need it. I think you are completely right, hunger is a distribution problem. On one side of the fence, the destitute are starving. On the other, the locked dumpster is full of perfectly good food. But isn't the point to reduce or eliminate the estimated 590 per year? Isn't the point to finish the day with zero food waste and an extra 1.50 cash on hand? Enough days like that could whittle away at the 590 and leave something concrete in the form of shippable cash that could go toward a redistribution effort. On Dec 15, 2004, at 12:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has been on my mind since my mother first scolded me for not finishing my vegetables. But how, in a global economy, does my improved efficiency of food use get one extra meal to someone outside of my local market? By the time the products are available for me to consume they are already out of the shipment flow to another market. Even if the local market demand was reduced by a considerable amount, the harvest/products would already be produced and the spoilage clock would be ticking. But more importantly, from what I have learned, there is more than enough food production worldwide; it is the imbalance of delivery that creates localized shortages. The imbalance of delivery is primarily caused by local political powers. Those localized political powers are derived from farmers that want to earn a living, producers that want to earn a living, shippers that want to earn a living and governments that want to tax everybody. So how do I get the $1.50 a day in less food waste to someone that needs it? And remember, we are not talking about actual money that does not spoil and can be transfered, we are talking about small portions of each meal that have already been prepared and served. I intend no offense. I honestly inquire your perspective. Mike Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:26:10 -0500 From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] food waste in perspective To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I was under the impression that there are many on the planet that would leap at an extra 1.50 per day. On Dec 14, 2004, at 3:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jones estimates an average family of four currently tosses out $590 per year, just in meat, fruits, vegetables and grain products. To put $590 per year in perspective, it is roughly half of what we spend on telecommunication services(cable, telephone cell phone) each year, or about $1.50 per day, or $0.40 per family member per day. As much as I sympathize with the effort to reduce food waste, I do not see how we can be any more frugal. I am open to suggestions. Mikem ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] ASTM standards questions
On Dec 9, 2004, at 6:32 PM, Ross Horner wrote: I am planning on making and selling some biodiesel in my local community. I have read a bunch of conflicting reports about many things. I am most interested in methanol residuals in the fuel and ASTM standards. 1. If I meet the US ASTM standards can I then sell it? Nope. At least not the States. Gotta buy a membership in the National Biodiesel Board first. OR can I sell it prior to meeting standards? Once I meet standards, will the government then grant me some number or license or something as a biodiesel producer? Nope. At least not in the States. 2. Some say that methanol will be hazardous to the engine. Some say it does nothing but alter the cetane number slightly. I have read a lot about this from several different sources. Who is correct? Get your methanol back. You need it for the next batch. 3. Will residual methanol in the fuel make it fail ASTM standards? Doubt it, but it's silly and wasteful to try. 4. If you meet ASTM standards, how often do you have to retest to continue your ASTM certification. There is no policing of this in the United States. 5. If you meet ASTM standards, what is actually certified? Is it the producer or individual who is now capable of producing quality fuel, the machinery as being capable of producing quality fuel, or the business that makes it? Its whoever jumps into the trough that is covered. Thanks all! Ross - Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Trees and power companies
grow high enough to interfere with your wires, is there any way you could not cut the Dogwoods? Neanderthal to Joe, Sure thing. We never cut the Dogwoods. Besides, there are no Dogwoods this time of year. On Oct 19, 2004, at 7:58 PM, GuyW wrote: Is there no an easement for the power lines? If so, they can cut anything within the easement, but not outside it. -Guy- - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Trees and power companies Greetings, Well my trees have managed to survive the Texas Hiway departments massacre, but now the power company is on the rampage. Any tree within 20 feet of a power line is being cut down, regardless of how tall it is. I had a major argument with them, as I have a lovely mature tree windscreen between my property and the hiway in the front of my place. I am tail end charlie on the line, so if I go off grid, I get to keep my trees. They have given me six months. I have been concentrating on the sustainable farming and on getting my farm going, planning on doing my biofuel thing in a big way when I had the farm up and running. I do not have the rabbitry set up for manure collection to do methane the way I wanted to. I had planned on using a separate generator and drive engines, so I could use my tractor for back up when maintenance was needed. I am still looking at the various ideas for solar AC and trying to figure out how much power I can get away with. I am not ready to do this. I am not willing to part with 20 to 30 year old tress, either. On a happy note, someone that does engine conversions to run SVO just joined HREG. [Houston Renewable Energy Group] so I will have some help reasonably close at hand. It will be wonderful to be able to get my conversions done locally. [within 150 miles] So, I have 6 months to be off grid. Any ideas of how to stream line the process and get me to where I need to be? Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
would be a better choice, 65% energy loss from end to end? To deliver electrons to Rob's guitar? That strikes me as a bargain compared to creating biodiesel and combusting it for electrons. I just figured the energy loss from end to end would be much worse with a little generator compared to the grid. On Oct 8, 2004, at 1:28 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient? That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service to you. You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however. Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most part are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy inputs by making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but will be applicable for future solar pv use as well. What is the flaw I am missing? -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
from svo is a monumental waste of energy. On Oct 8, 2004, at 2:54 PM, Robert Del Bueno wrote: I never intended the use of biodiesel. The idea is for reclaimed waste vegetable oils. I am curious on if anyone has given thought to the emissions per kWh of such a setup versus coal fired plant (...who in our area are successful in avoiding EPA New Source Review regulations, and continue to spew). Also considering the addition of a pre-combustion fuel catalyst, and additional after treament (because of dedicated veg use). At 01:28 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient? That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service to you. You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however. Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most part are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy inputs by making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but will be applicable for future solar pv use as well. What is the flaw I am missing? -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but will be applicable for future solar pv use as well. What is the flaw I am missing? -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendas -was: Kerry preferred around World - Poll
Admittedly biodiesel has a better energy balance than ethanol, but those of us who make biodiesel enjoy its fossil subsidies as well. And don't we sometimes desire ethanol as a reactant? Perhaps we should bash it less. On Sep 17, 2004, at 10:23 AM, Ken Riznyk wrote: The reason the government is promoting ethanol production is because of the farm lobby. In general the production of ethanol is an energy loss. The fossil fuels used to plow, fertilize, ferment and distill ethanol require the input of more energy than is obtained from the ethanol produced. Ken --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP I would love to be able to present a results focused paper for consideration. That is where the real power in change lies--not in who is elected and dancing to perceived public opinion. Peggy Kerry Pledges to Help Struggling Rural Communities Achieve Economic Sustainability http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?ReleaseID=34769 I find it interesting that a number of states such as Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, North South Dakota, California, Nebraska to name few around the USA have introduced alternative biofuel such as ethanol into not only the government transportation mix but also to the public which may have had something to do with public opinion or was there some other reasons for it. A previous Subject: Re: [biofuel] 81% of US support Climate Stewardship Act Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0628-11.htm indicates to me which candidate for POTUS would likely take more interest in biofuels - the Bush Cheney oil administration -or- Kerry Edwards. Public support is also strong for using tax incentives to encourage utility companies to use cleaner energy technologies and car-buyers to purchase more energy-efficient cars, according to the survey, which was conducted by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA). Moreover, slightly more than half of respondents (52 percent) said a candidate's support for the cutting emissions would incline them more to vote for them in November, while only 14 percent said that such support would make them less inclined to vote for him. Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has endorsed the bill, officially known as the Climate Stewardship Act (CSA), while President George W. Bush opposes it. Nearly two-thirds of respondents (64 percent) said they would want their member of Congress to support the Kyoto Protocol, which is also supported by Kerry but opposed by Bush. This News Archive http://www.bbibiofuels.com/news/ might be of interest but probably not for the small producer. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Lyle Estill Blast Internet Services www.blast.com 919-545-2551 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] explosions
Most home brewers are not even pressurized. The best chance for a decent explosion is with methanol, which goes up a lot like gasoline. Our chemical reactions are too wimpy for decent explosions. I'm trying to think of the best way to explode a back yard operation. If you don't have a match, or a stick of dynamite, perhaps a metal mixing blade under high RPMs against a metal drum above the methanol? On Aug 20, 2004, at 9:06 AM, James McDougal wrote: In one of the postings the other day someone mentioned that all it will take if for one home brewery to explode to set back the grass roots movement. What are the chances of a home brew set up exploding? Would it be an explosion due to unreleased pressure or a chemical reaction? James McDougal Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Drying Vegetable Oil
Anyone done/seen any work on using nitrogen to dry vegetable oil? It would seem that a simple nitrogen bubble wash might cause water to vaporize. Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Anything into oil!
Hey John, Thanks for this website. I've been fascinated by this stuff for awhile now, but I can't ever to seem anything on it other than fluff. What, for instance, is the energy balance on a barrel of oil made from municipal waste? I may not have good sources, but it always seems that when questions come up, the revolutionary depolymerization solution comes to an end. On Jul 21, 2004, at 10:03 PM, John Walston wrote: Hi, Very new to this type of communication so not even sure if this is how you post a message. Unless I did it wrong I typed in several searches for thermal depolymerization (big words for breaking down carbon based materials into OIL!!! and other products) and I could not find one message talking about this world changing technology!! This machine sounds like it can work miracles, i.e. if 100 lbs of municipal liquid waste is poured in one end 26 pounds oil, 9 pounds gas, 8 lbs carbon and mineral solids, and 57 lbs water come out the other end!! If we used this to clean up our own waste it would be great but it does so much more!! It is in our best interest to know as much about this process as possible. If we could have one of these machines at the municipal level it could truly make the world a better place. Check this site http://www.changingworldtech.com/home.html I would appreciate hearing your comments and thanks 4 your time, John = www.GrowYourOwnFood.com Affordable Hydroponic Systems __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Price of Fuel
Dear List, I watch the contributions fly by from various subscribers reporting their fuel prices to the student who needs the data for a project. That's wonderful. And it seems there is a sense that biodiesel needs to compete with regular diesel on price. I get that a lot at Piedmont Biofuels, and I thought I would toss this out to the list: Diesel in North Carolina right now is about 1.69 a gallon. At 3.50 a gallon for B100, biodiesel is a bargain. As a society we have decided that I will pay my own health care tab for my asthmatic children. I do not pay for health care at the pump. If I did, if we decided that petroleum producers were accountable for the health effects of their products, add a buck per gallon. This concept is commonplace in cultures where the government pays for health care. Go buy a litre of diesel in Canada sometime. Or any other civilized society, for that matter. As a society we have decided to pay for the security of our oil supply on April 15th--rather than at the pump. Even in peacetime, Uncle Sam maintains a huge (and expensive) military presence in the Persian Gulf. Forget Saddam for a moment (we all know that Operation Iraqi Freedom has nothing to do with oil. We are there because Saddam is a bad guy. He even tortures prisoners and such). Even in peacetime we provide fighter jet escorts to tankers leaving the gulf. If we asked the importers of petroleum diesel to pay the tab for that--rather than paying in our taxes, add a buck a gallon. Suddenly 3.50 a gallon saves you money and the price objection goes away... Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: SCHOOL BUS
Joshua, Save yourself the grief. Let gas vehicles be gas vehicles. Go get a diesel to get started... On Jul 18, 2004, at 12:51 AM, Joshua wrote: Without much trouble, huh? Well, will the motor mounts match up? When we put in a tranny that matches that engine will the drive fit? I'm looking for which DIESEL engine will be LEAST trouble to put in. I would have thought that a GMC (Detroit) Diesel engine would be the most likely candidate, being made by the same company and all. As for chassis, school buses have what, like 5 ton suspentions? It's not a truck, although perhaps a truck engine would work great... power is not the big concern in a hippie school bus. ;) Cheers, Joshua --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What size chasse is the bus?If one ton,you can put in a 5.9 cummins out of a dodge without much trouble and it is a far superior engine to what ford or gm offered in their pickups.If your bus is on a two ton undercarriage,you have more options because you have more space and probably will need more torque than the earlier 5.9 engines had.Another route may be mating a 472-500 cadillac or big buick to a multi-speed trans.These gas engines in 1970 versions put out 510 lb.ft. torque at nearly idle and got much better mileage than chevy engines;they did not break and they are still setting around with not too much mileage after the power seats and power windows quit;if you can get a turbo somewhere cheap,you can get 800 lb.ft. torque or more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking.
vehicles (with production-grade FCs then getting 38% efficiency) will cause over three times as much CO2 to be released per mile as advanced diesel hybrids -- and that's without even using biodiesel. However, the NAS/NAE report fails to address the seriousness of the issue of FC vehicle cost. After more than a decade of intensive FC RD, there is still no basis for the hope that it will eventually be possible to produce vehicle-grade FC systems priced within a factor of ten of what will be required to compete with the advanced diesel hybrid. The NAS/NAE study notes that 75 kW (100 hp) proton exchange membrane fuel cells (PEMFCs) with unimpressive efficiency (30-35%) are finally commercially available in the range of $3000-5500/kW for stationary applications, but these FCs (which would come to $500K for a typical car) would be quickly and seriously incapacitated under road conditions -- by vibration, freezing temperatures, or the air pollution levels often encountered in heavy traffic. They typically last less than 30,000 miles. A second major problem in the NAS/NAE study was its hydrogen price estimates. The DOE/EIA has been forced to make major upward revisions in their price projections every year for the past six years. More realistic projections expect natural gas in 2025 to cost $16/GJ at the city gate, which is still only 50% above recent peaks but 3.5 times the price assumed in the NAS/NAE report. Realistic hydrogen price projections (see 'A Realistic Look at Hydrogen Price Projections', http://www.dotynmr.com/PDF/Doty_H2Price.pdf ) indicate hydrogen will cost 3 to 6 times what they are expecting, and the fuel cost per mile in the FC vehicle will be 4 to 8 times that in the advanced bio-diesel hybrid in 2025. The NAS/NAE report should have emphasized that next-generation biofuels for future transportation fuels need greatly increased attention and funding. Major investments are needed into advanced diesel hybrids, cellulosic ethanol, bio-methanol, high-oil algae, and advanced catalysts for standard fuels from methanol. For more detailed information on advanced biofuels, check out the following excellent articles: http://pubs.acs.org/email/cen/html/060804150713.html http://www.memagazine.org/pejun04/swineoil/swineoil.html http://www.dotynmr.com/PDF/Doty_FutureFuels.pdf . Responsible planning to avert a looming energy crisis would have us re-direct much of the hydrogen funding to next-generation liquid biofuels, renewable fertilizers, wind, and solar. With modest increases in funding of advanced concepts in liquid biofuels, much better options are possible. *** F. David Doty, Ph.D. President Doty Scientific, Inc. 700 Clemson Rd. Columbia, SC 29229 Ph.: 803 788 6497 ext 307 Fax: 803 736 5495 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking. Phil Dodd wrote: Sitting here in my south-central pennsylvania funk lamenting the fact that when I talk biodiesel I am looked at like I have 2 heads. Though there is a couple of seminars coming to the Washington D.C. area next week and again in september. Are there any folks out here in the hinterlands of the Mid-Atlantic states that are actually making, using and spreading the word? Help save me from this desert of forward thinking before my mind starts to atrophy here in the land of the closed mind. Phil Hello Phil, I live in northern New York [no, the Catskills are not northern NY] I have been trying to get people interested for quite some time. It isn't easy and it's slow, but I've been letting people know for a couple years now that there are alternatives to petro-diesel and gasoline. I've also been dispelling the widespread myth that ethanol is bad. Why is it common belief that ethanol is a horrible fuel? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [biofuel] Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats?
BIOX disappointed me big time. I had a long conversation with them, got all excited, and decided to visit them in Oakville. No luck. You can't visit them. Can't see their process. Suddenly they went completely top secret on me. Not a good way to sell plants. Also, while they talk about their enormous backlog, I don't believe they have a single installation. I'd love to be corrected on this--perhaps someone from BIOX is onlist and would like to engage, but from what I can tell they are a sham. On Jun 7, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Joey Hundert wrote: Dear Keith, I have combed the archives and can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Therefore, if I'm asking for information that has already seen discussion, please just point me in the right direction. I'm preparing a presentation to the AMA (Alberta Motor Assoc.), and I'd like to find some statistics that put plant-based fuels into perspective. Statistics that hypothesize the amount of arable acres necessary to operate x % of vehicles on plant-based fuels (specifically oilseed). Or, details on the canola situation, and how many vehicles can operate on currently planted acres. I also remember hearing something about the potential utilization of idle acres to significantly ease the fuel situation. Furthermore, BIOX (www.bioxcorp.com) claims, BIOX is the only process that can compete at a remarkable $0.07/litre CAD. This new technology makes biodiesel the most cost-effective green fuel available and competitive with petroleum diesel on the market. At the current bulk vegetable oil price of $0.77(CAD)/Litre, that's a fairly attractive price. Does their process look viable to you? All the best, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Macro Economics Plant Fuel Stats?
Joey, I found this article worthwhile http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html On Jun 7, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Joey Hundert wrote: Dear Keith, I have combed the archives and can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Therefore, if I'm asking for information that has already seen discussion, please just point me in the right direction. I'm preparing a presentation to the AMA (Alberta Motor Assoc.), and I'd like to find some statistics that put plant-based fuels into perspective. Statistics that hypothesize the amount of arable acres necessary to operate x % of vehicles on plant-based fuels (specifically oilseed). Or, details on the canola situation, and how many vehicles can operate on currently planted acres. I also remember hearing something about the potential utilization of idle acres to significantly ease the fuel situation. Furthermore, BIOX (www.bioxcorp.com) claims, BIOX is the only process that can compete at a remarkable $0.07/litre CAD. This new technology makes biodiesel the most cost-effective green fuel available and competitive with petroleum diesel on the market. At the current bulk vegetable oil price of $0.77(CAD)/Litre, that's a fairly attractive price. Does their process look viable to you? All the best, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] Cold Turkey
Grand Funk, as in Grand Funk Railroad? Whoa, Gustl, if I only had a stylus I could drop the LP on the turntable and work on the blog. On May 30, 2004, at 9:12 PM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Hallo Keith, Sunday, 30 May, 2004, 18:00:47, you wrote: ...snip... Ah, Kurt Vonnegut! I've always loved the old coot. KA Yes! It's hard not to. He's 81 and still smoking, cursing the stuff KA for not killing him. A fire on one end and a fool on the other, LOL! KA Did he turn you into a Bokononist? Gustl got Firesigned, I got KA Zappa'ed, maybe you got Bokononed. ...snip... My cousin was in a band called Grand Funk back in the '70's. Played lead guitar and sang lead. I was at his house once and he had just gotten out of the studio and he played the pre-release tape for me. The band was figuring out what songs they wanted on the album and which they weren't going to keep. One song with a Jamaican flavor came on and Mark asked me if I knew who it was playing. I kept telling him, Lord, that sure sounds like Zappa. Finally I asked him who it was and it was Zappa. Turns out that Zappa produced that album. Gustl was also Zappa'ed. Amazing guy.All his stuff was scored. Gave his kids strange names though rather than normal names like Gustl, Hakan and Luc. ;o) Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Usage in NC
Go easy, Keith. There is something to be said for enthusiasm. I'm interested in the biodiesel as biotech idea. Surely biodiesel is low to no tech, but does it hurt us to raise the biotech banner? It occurs to me, after wasting a bunch of homemade fuel driving to meetings in Raleigh last year (capital of NC), that there appears to be no such thing as a constituency for sustainability. Everywhere you can see hear the voices of Big Soy, Big Oil, Big Government, but where do you hear Sustainability? Perhaps we should snatch the biotech cache and ride it into the legislative process. On May 27, 2004, at 7:49 PM, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/413048553 This petition was setup to acknowledge the need to research more on the economic impact from the use of alternative fuels in NC, and abroad. Please help me reach my goal, and follow the links. That would help me SO Much. Thank you, Matthew Wisz TriStar Computer Solutions Hm... ... a replinishable crop such as soyfuel? You think soy is a good energy crop or a good biofuels crop? Not many people think so, unless they have industry interests. Money which not only could instantly spark economic growth, but save farming communities and jobs. If the idea is to keep jobs in North Carolina...Then let's make a reason for big biotech companies to come to North Carolina. Would you care to explain this strange reasoning? What is the relationship between big biotech companies and biodiesel, or between biotech and biodiesel? Do you know of any instances of big biotech companies saving farming communities and jobs? Why do you want big biotech companies to come to North Carolina? Don't you like North Carolina? Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Visit to working bio diesel operation
Steve, Come see us as Piedmont Biofuels. We are on the back porch of what was an abandoned double wide. We have a little batch operation (75 gallons at a time), a little distribution business (just pumped 1000 gallons of Store Bought B100 to Chatham County Schools, we have a little coop thing going. We may have embarked on reactor 1.6, a stainless affair on a trailer for our friends at DOE, and we love visitors. What we ought to do is get the little biodiesel bed and breakfast opened. On May 25, 2004, at 2:28 PM, steven mesibov wrote: I will be heading north on vacation with my wife in early June and was wondering if I could stop by and check out a biodiesel operation. No size to small or to large. Anywhere from Florida to NH to Niagra Falls back down through Tennesse and GA. Any suggestions? I promise with Sharie along, the longest I'll be able to check things out will be about an hour, unless we could take you to dinner! Steve __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Powered Chainsaw
Tom, Remarkable. Thank you so much for pushing the edge of the envelope. I may share your vision of the grease economy, but lacking imagination I have simply abandoned mowing, and weed eating. I now use a swingblade, and machetes, but my chainsaws are still on fossil. My hat is off to you. On May 19, 2004, at 6:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case anyone wondered if this was possible, I finally started operating my biodiesel powered chainsaw today. Runs well. This is all part of my grease economy plan, a goal of replacing all types of fossil fueled equipment with renewable energy based alternatives. I'm on my way, but it will take a year or two more to replace every mower, string trimmer, rototiller, etc. Its not a matter of technology, as it is a matter of money. The chainsaw is a Stanley hydraulic chainsaw that has two 50' hoses from the live hydraulic circuit off of the biodiesel powered tractor. Its pretty good, the 50' tether is so far not a problem, I don't want to cut stuff that I have to carry farther than that from the tractor. Its quiet, doesn't vibrate, has plenty of power, but is not heavy. It doesn't blow exhaust back in my face, but there is a vague smell of lunch in the air. Still have to do a couple of cords to determine if it is an unbridled success. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill CEO Blast Internet Services www.blast.com (919) 545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Energy Star Ratings and cars and Trucks?
It's a good point. I've been investigating Energy Star ratings for buildings. Why not vehicles? On May 20, 2004, at 12:39 PM, murdoch wrote: I am spending some time today researching energy star rated appliances at www.Energystar.gov It is quite fun to see the efforts being made or apparently being made by some manufacturers to allow some folks to buy appliances which will assist them in their financial and environmental conservation efforts. Why aren't cars and trucks included in Energy Star Ratings? Might this be a partial solution to the quandry of what to do about CAFE rules and the somewhat skewed results of them? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill CEO Blast Internet Services www.blast.com (919) 545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Anyone on this group live in Oklahoma? what sh*t
Restaurants in North Carolina are getting about a penny a pound for their wvo, or around 5.00 for a 55 gallon drum. On May 19, 2004, at 3:22 PM, CH wrote: I agree! That bit about the restaurants planning on selling their grease to a recycling company is the most bogus part of the article. Does anyone know of restaurants who actually sell their waste veg oil to a renderer? Chris billy truman wrote: resturants don't sell the used oil, the pay to have it taken away. So ? --- erichalltoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The restaurants were planning to sell the grease to a recycling company and the total value of the stolen goods was about $380. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill CEO Blast Internet Services www.blast.com (919) 545-2551 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] B100 / B20
Kevin, I would go 100% biodiesel when you have it, top up with petro when you have to, don't worry about the percentages. Some days you might run B50, some B83, etc. Soon you will find yourself seeing how long you can stay on B100. Soon you will be obsessed. You'll start carpooling, bumming rides, walking, and changing your driving habits. Forget your fuel lines. They'll be fine. For 55F to 90F, I think 100% bd is indicated... On May 15, 2004, at 10:35 AM, Kevin Shea wrote: While reading the below post for B20, the thought is...Can I add Biodiesel to my fuel tank (with existing petrol diesel present) in any proportions? I would prefer to mix BD with Petro as 1) I don't have enough to BD production to fill-up . 2) I have not yet replaced any rubber hoses to viton in my fuel lines. What mix is recommended (if any) for 55F-90F seasonal climate? Thanks for your inputs in advance, -Kevin - Original Message - From: Busyditch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] B100 / B20 Mix 2 gallons of B100 with 8 gallons of petro diesel for the proper blend.(B20 = 20%) - Original Message - From: dewey_nc To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: [biofuel] B100 / B20 If you add 2 gal. of B100 to petrol. diesel, do you have B20? Are there any issues with blending? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Gelling/Anti Gelling
We have started distributing store-bought B100 of the back of a home-heating delivery truck. Some of our customers are installing 250-500 gallon tanks for home/business use. Does anyone have any experience with gelling/liquifying? If B100 gels, and reverts back to liquid, is it still useable? Also interested in anti-gelling favourites on the list. Are they fossil or bio? Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Tim Castleman's Post
Tim, I fundamentally agree with your conservation message, and your mantra of social responsibility and sustainability, but I think questioning feedstock capacities at this point is a straw argument. Saying we can't grow enough to meet our fuel needs is a little like saying we shouldn't make electricity from wind--after all, the wind doesn't always blow. Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] one-tank SVO?
A fellow from Elsbett passed through our neck of the woods a month or so ago. People were impressed. We've done a bunch of two tank conversions, but people were loving Elsbett's system. I was not in town, but Rachel wrote an enthusiastic endorsement of Elsbett which I published in my blog. Check out http://www.biofuels.coop/blog/archives/66.html Elsbett Workshop On Apr 16, 2004, at 11:34 AM, John Blackmer wrote: does anyone know anything about www.elsbett.com ? it claims that a one-tank SVO is posssible with a few small modifications to the engine: glow plugs, 1 micron filter, etc. certainly this could only work with an oil that doesn't solidify in the tank, i assume, but there's a fellow in berkeley that claims to have done this for 8 months with straight olive oil. I thought that this was simply mechanically impossible? any caveats/opinions? thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bio diesel
Theo, I've heard good things about Jatropha for oil production--although I know nothing about it. On the power loss front, I've seen numbers from 5 to 15% loss, and I've even seen numbers that claim a gain. My believe is that percentages this low cannot be detected in most driving situations. Where the loss shows up for me is on the tractor. If you are skidding logs all day, you will feel a 5% loss in power--you may have to shorten each log to have the requisite pulling power, and the effect can be measured in the project. But if you are just driving down the road, say obeying the speed limits, I don't think the loss in power is very detectable. On Apr 12, 2004, at 12:36 PM, theo wrote: We are very interested in producing bio diesel from jatropha. What is confusing to us is that one source will indicate that bio diesel is as efficient as normal diesel and another source will say that you have 15% loss. Also there are numerous other instances where one source will say one thing and another one will say something different. We live in South Africa in an area with a reasonably high rainfall. Verging on the sub tropical. There is lots of under utilised ground and more than adequate labour sources. The idea is to organise people into co-ops etc. Do you believe that jatropha is the way to go taking into consideration the above mentioned facts or should we be looking at something else? We would like to know what the correct answers are to the following: 1. Can you use oil pressed from jatropha directly as a fuel for a diesel engine? 2. Is there any power loss compared to normal diesel fuel and what if any? 3. What is the correct spacing to use when planting jatropha. 4. Is it more desirable to establish plantations using cuttings, seeds or seedlings? 5. Do you know of any reputable dealers in seed or cuttings? 5.b. It must be remembered that that the above seeds will have to transported via air freight. 6. What yields seeds/oil can conservatively be expected per hectare once the plants are established. 7. What ongoing inputs are needed and is it necessary to water and clean around the trees on a on going basis? 8. Are there any pests and diseases we should be prepared for? 9. How long does it take for the tree to reach full yield and for how long can you expect this to continue, conservatively? 10. How often does the tree bear nuts/fruit? 11. We are led to believe that you can grow the trees from cuttings quiet easily. Is this true and do the get the same yields etc. from cuttings? 12. Can the remains of the seeds be used for anything once we have pressed out the oil? 13. Are there any other uses for the by products. Will appreciate all inputs. Theo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Energy Balance
Dear list, My understanding is that biodiesel claims an energy balance of around 3:1, which I understand to mean that for every btu going into its creation, it returns 3 btus. If this is correct, what is the energy balance of fuel made from WVO? Surely I can charge the energy necessary for growing, harvesting, crushing and delivering to the french fry, can't I? And my final question is that of going off grid. At present I use both electricity and propane in my production process. If I replaced them with a biodeisel generator and some solar thermal, what would that do to my energy balance? Is there a quick way to calculate answers to such questions? Thanks in advance. Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fuel from Pine
Down here in the south, people harvest fat lighter wood from the stumps of decaying pines. You hold a match to a piece and it explodes. I always thought it was turpentine. Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Profits from Biofuels
I think there are tensions between backyard and commercial producers. While I have not experienced any objections to profits, there can be a conflict between greed and sustainability. Clearly the holy grail of biodiesel is to offer sustainability (local production from local feedstock), with enough profit to sustain the model--including the local jobs produced. We are conditioned to immediately slip into economy of scale mode when we start thinking about biofuels, but as we learn more, (and start producing our own product), we get a chance to rethink our entire energy infastructure. I think Jeremy Rifkin's Hydrogen Economy does a good job of exploring both the history and future of energy delivery (Discard the hydrogen part since he offers no sustainable way to make it), but his reasoning scales well to biofuels. By the way, if we removed the current societal subsidies for fossil fuels, bio would move from baby to mother's milk... Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Mythical fines
Folks, I had a long talk with Rob del Beuno of Vegenergy in Atlanta a few days ago. He's the guy who was allegedly fined 25K/day by the EPA as a backyard producer of biodiesel. I was delighted to learn that it never happened. I had been laboring under that myth for awhile now. I'm in touch with a handful for small producers on the eastern seaboard, and none of them have experienced any regulatory issues. Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
