Re: [Biofuel] Could Acetone improve mileage
Khamhiane From what I have read it won't increase gas mileage if you have alcohol in your gas but it will reduce the pollution your gas causes. Roy khamhiane inthava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear members, I came acrosse several website that claim that Acetone could improve significantly mileage. Any one please kindly give comments about this? Thank you Sincerely, Khamhiane - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070827/3373bdea/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070828/bac9893b/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] IS WVO BIO-DEGRADABLE?
Thanks Jim Roy --- JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes it is, I had 35 gallons that I tilled into garden soil last fall, and it composted in great, but I had to till it a couple of times. Raised a fantastic crop of squash and cucumbers in that spot! Jim - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] IS WVO BIO-DEGRADABLE? Thanks Jason Roy --- Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its biodegradeable, but itll make a godawful sloppy mess. put the sludge into a compost pile, and mix it in real well. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] IS WVO BIO-DEGRADABLE? Hi All I had a WVO spill in my basement and am wondering if it is bio-degradable. Can I dump this WVO on the land and expect it to go away? Thanks for your help. Roy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/493 - Release Date: 10/23/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/494 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] IS WVO BIO-DEGRADABLE?
Hi All I had a WVO spill in my basement and am wondering if it is bio-degradable. Can I dump this WVO on the land and expect it to go away? Thanks for your help. Roy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] IS WVO BIO-DEGRADABLE?
Thanks Dave --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose you could compost it. Just spreading it on the ground will probably take a while for it to break down. -dave On Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:51 AM, ROY Washbish wrote: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: ROY Washbish To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] IS WVO BIO-DEGRADABLE? Hi All I had a WVO spill in my basement and am wondering if it is bio-degradable. Can I dump this WVO on the land and expect it to go away? Thanks for your help. Roy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] IS WVO BIO-DEGRADABLE?
Thanks Jason Roy --- Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its biodegradeable, but itll make a godawful sloppy mess. put the sludge into a compost pile, and mix it in real well. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] IS WVO BIO-DEGRADABLE? Hi All I had a WVO spill in my basement and am wondering if it is bio-degradable. Can I dump this WVO on the land and expect it to go away? Thanks for your help. Roy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/493 - Release Date: 10/23/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/494 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Question on clogged filters
Hey Joe Do ya think it was run on BD prior to you getting it? Maybe it's already clean. RoyJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all;I keep hearing about the cleansing effect of BD and how it clogs fuel filters. Tom even mentioned it in his post about sharing biodiesel as heating oil. I bought a year 2000 Golf TDI which had 225,000 km on it with petroleum. Last summer I ran it on blends from B05 to B75 and over the winter with B20 and this year since May it has been running B100. Ive done over 10,000 km so far. So how long does it take for the filter clogging to happen? I have a spare filter and tools with me all the time but so far it just keeps running and running...when it does happen does it happen just once? Is it possible that the petro in my area is cleaner and there was no deposits during the first 225,000 km?I think the filter clogging story is just an urban legend. I don't believe it will ever happen to me. Now that I have written this I know it will clog the next time I drive. I just wanted to get it over with.CheersJoe___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was...ANYONE know anything about this?
Tallex Thanks for your comments RoyAltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,It sounds similar to other cylinder treatments such as Duralube, STP, etc.I used to use Duralube in an '93 gmc Vandura 3/4 ton I hadand it made the engine run quieter and increasedmileage a little by coating the cylinder walls witha silicone based liquid to reduce friction. Duralube costs about 20 bucksand I am pretty sure that this stuff is almost the same ingredients. I really don't think that you are going to findmuch difference. It sounds like they are trying to cash inon permenently high gas prices. I woudn't buy it.regardstallex __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ANYONE know anything about this?
Hi Lugano Thanks very much for your input RoyLugano Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hi Roy, in a short period of time it is possible to achieve a 7 - 10% fuel saving in such asimple retrofitting. however, such holistic approaches are difficult to share their confidence due to complications that can develop in a long run. i __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] ANYONE know anything about this?
Hi Gang My brother-in-law offered this to me to get better mileage in my viehicle. I have no idea if it works but I sure don't think it can as this type of stuff is usually all HYPE. http://www.spmpg.myffi.biz/en/section_100.asp What are your thoughts? Have a look Thanks Roy __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [DCBiodieselcoop] Police Check Point - fuel dye test.]
Eric It well could be nothing more than a dye test. Here in New England we use home heating oil and it is dyed RED. Home heating oil isdiesel with less additives.If you are caught with RED diesel in your vehicle you are in trouble. I forgot to mention that home heating oil usually costs less than road diesel and there are no taxes on it yet. RoyMike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does this mean for homebrewers?On 4/12/06, *Eric Youngdale* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I got this in my inbox this morning from someone I work with. Hewas on Rt 17 between US 50 and I66.I had an interesting stop at a police checkpoint thismorning the real gun carrying kind too! The signs read "safetycheck" as I approached it. All of the work trucks were beingpulled over. They have these 4-5 times per year but I neverknew why until today. Today the officer asked me if my car wasa diesel. I told him it was so he asked me to follow the trucksfor a "fuel dye test". When I reached the next officer he toldme that they were checking for "farm fuel" to make sure it wasproperly taxed. I started to get a little nervous because I amrunning B5 (although I buy it at a gas station where I hope theyare properly taxing me). The next officer asked me if I wouldgive them permission to check my fuel which I did. She asked mefor my drivers' license and another officer stuck a long skinnyplastic tube down in my fuel tank and took a sample. Once thatwas done they sent me on my way. I guess they will do the testsomewhere else and let me know what they found. The trucks weregetting weighed and stuff but that was not necessary for me. Anyway Eric make sure your paying your taxes on your biodiesel. I think they are going to send me some paper work and I'll letyou know what is says when I get it.YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS* Visit your group "DCBiodieselcoop" on the web.* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms ofService .-- "So one may almost say that the theory of universal suffrage assumes that the Average Citizen is an active, instructed, intelligent ruler of his country. The facts contradict this assumption."James Bryce (1909, 35)Read about stuff http://edubyaking.blogspot.comSPONSORED LINKSSmall business finance Business checks Washington dc area Business finances Small business Washington dc YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS* Visit your group "DCBiodieselcoop" on the web.* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms ofService .___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Roy Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo Messanger ID roy21940 Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Suspended delivery
Have a wonderful trip Joe. Have two beers for me :-) RoyJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to commune with the Pacific and will be away from April 8-24th so I'm suspending email delivery from this list. However if anyone wants to email me they can still get to my mailbox directly.Cheers all. I'll have a beer for each and every one of you LOL :-sJoe___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Roy Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo Messanger ID roy21940 Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wal-Mart's Organics Could Shake Up Retail
It meanssomething to me. Someone with CLOUT is making a start and they are willing to help it happen rather than MANDATE it to their suppliers. Kind of unusual and long overdue in the good old USA. Roy Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hogwash.USDA Organic doesn't MEAN ANYTHING.Keith Addison wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/24/D8GI7S484.htmlWal-Mart's Organics Could Shake Up RetailMar 24 6:17 PM US/EasternBy MARCUS KABELAssociated Press WriterBENTONVILLE, Ark.Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is throwing its weight behind organic products, a move that experts say could have the same lasting effect on environmental practices that Wal-Mart has had on prices by forcing suppliers and competitors to keep up.Putting new items on the shelf this year, from organic cotton baby clothes to ocean fish caught in ways that don't harm the environment, is part of a broader green policy launched last year to meet consumer demand, cut costs for things like energy and packaging and burnish a battered reputation.Organic products are one lure for the more affluent shoppers Wal-Mart is trying to woo away from rivals like Target Corp., said Alice Peterson, president of Chicago-based consultancy Syrus Global.A new Supercenter that opened this week in the Dallas suburb of Plano features over 400 organic foods as part of an experiment to see what kinds of products and interior decor can grab the interest of upscale shoppers."Like many big companies, they have figured out it is just good marketing and good reputation building to be in favor of things that Americans are increasingly interested in," Peterson said.Wal-Mart's Lee Scott is not the first chief executive to advocate sustainability, a term for the corporate ethos of doing business in a way that benefits the environment. Industrial giant General Electric Co., for example, last year launched a program called "Ecomagination" to bring green technologies like wind power to market.What makes Wal-Mart's efforts unique, sustainability experts say, is the retailer's sheer size and the power that gives it in relations with suppliers. Wal-Mart works closely with suppliers to shape their goods, if they want them on the shelves of Wal-Mart's nearly 4,000 U.S. stores and over 2,200 internationally."They have huge potential because it's not just Wal-Mart we're talking about, it's their entire supply chain," said Jeff Erikson, U.S. director of London-based consultancy and research group SustainAbility. The group says it does not do any consulting work for Wal-Mart.Erikson said Wal-Mart could bring the same pressure it has exerted over the years on prices and apply that to pushing manufacturers and competitors to adopt more sustainable business practices and larger organic offerings."We love to see companies like Wal-Mart taking a big step and making pronouncements as they have, because their tentacles are so large," Erikson said.Wal-Mart plans to double its organic grocery offerings in the next month and continue looking for more products to offer in areas such as grocery, apparel, paper and electronics.Stephen Quinn, vice president of marketing, told an analysts' conference this month that Wal-Mart would have 400 organic food items in stores this summer "at the Wal-Mart price."Some Wal-Mart critics call the effort just a public relations job. But others say Wal-Mart could make a real difference if the retailer brings a critical mass of organic products to market and pushes enough suppliers to adopt green practices.Sierra Club executive director Carl Pope, who is a board member of the union-backed group Wal-Mart Watch that criticizes the retailer, said it is too soon to tell if Wal-Mart will deliver but that the impact could be good for the environment."I think the direction they've said is a positive direction. The question is, `Are they are going to go there strongly enough?'" Pope said.Some of the new items will be seafood caught in the wild. Wal-Mart last month announced a plan to have all its wild-caught fish, which accounts for about a third of seafood sales, certified by the Marine Stewardship Council as caught in a sustainable way.The London-based MSC, founded in 1997 as a venture of the conservation group World Wildlife Fund and global consumer products company Unilever, issues the certificates to let consumers know which fisheries avoid overfishing and use methods that don't damage the ocean environment.Sustainability experts say what makes this program interesting is that Wal-Mart will work with its suppliers to get more fisheries around the globe certified by MSC, instead of just buying up the existing stock of certified fish.Wal-Mart says this means there will be more sustainable fish that will also be available to Wal-Mart's competitors, such as Whole Foods Market, which already sells about 18 MSC certified items, according to the MSC Web site. Wal-Mart plans to offer between 200 and 250 items.The way Wal-Mart hatched the fish plan is typical of how it
Re: [Biofuel] best source for WVO
Hi All Don't donut shops use LARD that is SOLID at room temp? Isn't that lard full of sugar? Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as i am just starting myself, i am thinking towards donut shops. they usually fry no meats in their veg oil and would have less fats.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Spreading compost
Kim Maybe you did this. If you are buying the stuff why not ask if the company has a spreader and will they spread it for you? Won't hurt to ask. Roy Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings,I am aware of manure spreaders, but I am talking about finished compost. 5 tons per acre is not a heavy spread, although it can be hard on the wallet. I only make about a ton a year, so I have to buy the stuff. I will take another look at manure spreaders, but if anyone else has any ideas, I would love to hear them.Bright Blessings,KimAt 09:51 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote:Local Mennonites use a machine for spreading composted manure. Themachine resembles a trough which has a shaft running horizontally aboveit with spokes or paddles that rotate into the trough and fling the shitskyward. They liquify the compost first obviously. Nice job eh? Don'twear your best evening gown while doing this! At least I wouldn't ;^JoeGarth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Does anyone have any ideas of how to spread compost at the rate of 5 tons per acre? I mean other than with a shovel or bucket. I do have a tilt trailer, but the compost does not just trickle out the back like I want it to. Also, any easier ideas of how to spread lime at 1000 lbs per acre would be appreciated. Walking around with a scoop and a bucket gets old, real fast. The big trucks won't do less than 5000 lbs per acre and want to do a minimum of 10 acres at a time. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Photos Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and well bind it!___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] HDPE Drums Washing
I wash with water and dry them with a squirrel cage blower. I open both ports, place the blower over one of them and let her go. My barrels come from a car wash so I only have to deal with concentrated soap. I hope this helps Roy Washbish "Purbo J. Wignjosajono" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All,Has anybody ever tried to wash a 55-gallon (200 litre) HDPE drums? Please share your experience.Thanks PJW___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hello (VIRUS)
Here is what I got when I tried to open the attachment Virus "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" found. Roy Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are your banks documents.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Equipment questions
Joe These people claim S/S elements http://www.htproducts.com/literature/lp-13.pdfLook here also. They say "Lower stainless steel heating element" http://www.myrec.coop/productsandservices/waterheaterreplacement.cfmI found none over the counter so you may do best by going to a manufacturer. Roy WashbishJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like my immersion heater went south last night so I need to replace it. It was the stock 110 v 1500 watt unit that came with my 8 gallon hot water tank. I understand that some folks are using stainless steel units. Also I understand that if I install a 220 v unit and run it on 110v I can get rid of the ginormous variac I am currently using to throttle back the power. I like that idea, so where do I get a stainless one??Also here is an anecdote which may be of interest to the group. I was busy for a few days so I left the latest batch of oil sitting in the reactor vessel after vacuum drying it a few days ago with the heater on low (abt 30 VAC this is just enough to keep it at 50 deg) When I went to add methoxide I noticed a little condensate had collected in the recirc line which is cooler ( room temp uninsulated). It was only about 1 ml of water I estimate. I had already begun mixing the methoxide so I crossed my fingers and left the water in. I didn't notice anything strange and got a good split. Everything looks normal this morning. I have yet to wash though..but no sign of soaps, emulsions or any third layer at this point. I wonder just how much water one can get away with? Does anyone have an idea?Joe___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SERVER REPORT(VIRUS FOUND in this message
This virus was found in this message by my computer Virus "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" found. Roy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The message contains Unicode characters and has been sent as a binary attachment.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acetone
Please allow me to butt in here. I used 2 1/2 oz Acetone per 10 gal of gas in both my cars for two tank fulls. What I found, as I see it, was that the system got clean and my mileage improved. After I went back to just gas, same station, same pump, the improvement was still there. My conclusion: Acetone is a very inexpensive fuel system cleaner. Itwill only improve mileage if it can clean the fuel system. So, there you have my two cents. Roy WashbishRandall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried several tanks in a 1997 Ford Crown Victoria P71 (retired police cruiser) running about 2oz per 10 gallons. I know it wasn't very scientific (strict controls on amounts, driving conditions, etc) and I found almost no difference in my fuel economy.4/30/2005 83757 1 17.674 2.39 93 4 yes 0.05658 2 oz/10 gallons, initial acetone addition5/6/2005 83964 207 10.7 2.39 93 2 yes 19.34579 1/2 tank of gas to fill5/26/2005 84284 320 17.94 2.29 93 3.5 yes 17.83724 frequent leadfoot driving, mostly city, mostly 70F+6/11/2005 84605 321 18.1 2.27 93 3.5 yes 17.73481 running the ac frequently now6/18/2005 84983 378 16.9 2.15 93 3.5 yes 22.36686 trip to the mountains - MIL6/30/2005 85268 285 17.1 2.32 93 0 yes 16.7 no acetone this tank - still MIL7/8/2005 85596 328 17.4 2.29 93 0 yes 18.85057 no acetone this tank - still MIL7/18/2005 85899 303 16.67 2.27 93 2 yes 18.17636 partial highway, part city7/20/2005 86241 342 14.84 2.37 93 0 yes 23.04582 mostly highway, mountains, slow rain travel--RandallCharlotte, NC- Original Message - From: "Alt.EnergyNetwork" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <BIOFUEL@SUSTAINABLELISTS.ORG>Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 1:51 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] acetoneHi Derick,thanks for the update. Anyone else trying acetone?regardstallex ---Original Message--- From: Derick Giorchino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone Sent: 20 Nov '05 05:03 I have used the acetone on dino fuel with 2.5 gpm increase I also have tried it on bio and found a net loss of about the same 2.5 gpm but I only tried it one time at 2 oz per 10 gal on both fuels. Derick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alt.EnergyNetwork Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:06 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone Hi, Yes I was wondering about the acetone experiments also. As far as I know a few people on 2 or 3 other lists were going to document their experiments. Anybody hear of any updates? tallex Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ---Original Message--- From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] truckers choose hydrogen power- now acetone Sent: 18 Nov '05 20:47 while we are on this thread, might we wander back a few months to a related issue? That is the claim that addition of small amounts of acetone to both compression and spark ignition engines would result in dramatic increases in fuel efficiency, as much as 35 % increases claimed by some. http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/ Anybody have any well-controlled results to report? robert luis rabello wrote: William Adams wrote: David, Thanks for the correction of air intake. Agreed, it would be good to look at the beast. Can the anecdotes can be believed ? And, is the concept for real? The concept of supplemental hydrogen injection IS a valid one. Whether or not this can be accomplished with any real gains in power and fuel economy using an onboard electrolyzer makes me very skeptical. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob "Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves" - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/b
Re: [Biofuel] acetone
Howdy yourselfBob My SPECULATION: "My conclusion: Acetone is a very inexpensive fuel system cleaner. It will only improve mileage *_if _*it can clean the fuel system" Bob, maybe it is nothing more than CLEAN injectors or something small like that. I feel that IF the acetone did anything more than CLEAN SOMETHING the results would have REVERSED when Acetone was not used. THEY DID NOT. I sure agree that a scientific study would be much more accurate but that's not what I can do. Bob, I have a fell grasp on how difficult it is to TESTwith anything other than a TEST HIWAY with the proper equipment and I'll bet that most people here do also. That's not what we as ordinary people posses. We do accept anecdotal experiences and go with that info and do our own tests just as I have done here. It's not the best but that's all most of us have. If you feel that this is less than what you want to find here then maybe YOU can offer more. We all (I expect) would be very open to that. Let me make one more statement. Let me quote you first. "My bottom line- acetone in small amounts does nothing, and any observation of a positive effect can be attributed to uncontrolled variables." IF what I did was "a positive effect (that) can be attributed to uncontrolled variables." why did the results not reverse when I went back to NO ACETONE??? Bob I'm not one to make statements too soon, I hope. Here's an example of why I say my mileage did increase. My wife and I make a particular trip on the same road about the same time of day about once a month.It's about 140 miles round trip.I have been using a mileagedisplaying device that displays what the car computer knows (if you will) from prior to Acetone to the present. My mileage INCREASED 3 mpg in my wife's car, which is the only one we use for this trip. My car did about the same thing but the test was not as scientific There you have it. Now it's YOUR TURN to not to be offended. I would feel bad if you were as we are just putting things on the table here for people to do with as they will. Your thoughts please. My BEST to You Roy Washbish bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Roy, would you care to speculate on why you have better mileage with a cleaner fuel system? And just how much did your mileage improve? I am not trying to be mean-spirited here, just questioning.If in fact the mileage improves, then why was it lower before addition of acetone? Were the hydrocarbons passing thru system uncombusted? I wonder if in states where volatile organic carbon is tested for in exhaust emissions, that the voc's would go down in an engine using a trace of acetone blended with the fuel? I really think this could be simply tested with an exhaust gas analyzer or a dynamometer without the difficulty of controlling all the "highway" variables.I have my own ideas on this, and nothing personal to you or anyone else that has posted on the subject, but I don't think most folks understand how difficult it is to control the variables involved in this type of experiment. Just a few degrees difference in air temperatures affect tire pressure which can have an effect on mileage, as just one example.My bottom line- acetone in small amounts does nothing, and any observation of a positive effect can be attributed to uncontrolled variables.ROY Washbish wrote: Please allow me to butt in here. I used 2 1/2 oz Acetone per 10 gal of gas in both my cars for two tank fulls. What I found, as I see it, was that the system got clean and my mileage improved. After I went back to just gas, same station, same pump, the improvement was still there. My conclusion: Acetone is a very inexpensive fuel system cleaner. It will only improve mileage *_if _*it can clean the fuel system. So, there you have my two cents. Roy Washbish*/Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: I tried several tanks in a 1997 Ford Crown Victoria P71 (retired police cruiser) running about 2oz per 10 gallons. I know it wasn't very scientific (strict controls on amounts, driving conditions, etc) and I found almost no(SNIP) Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Prep for winter
Mike If I amy ask do you have single or double pain windows the you are covering? I live in New England also and am wondering. Thanks Roy Washbish Michael Luich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in an old summer home in new england and my wife got the window quilt fabric which includes a foil layer at the local fabric store.We end up with them up all the time on some windows such as the bedroom where we don't really need daylight. As winter gets on and there's less light anyway's your not cutting out much. They do make a huge difference especial if combined with plastic, We just did the bedroom yesterday, Plastic outside, window fabric inside. WOW instant warmth.An easy way to improve the window insulation and when done as roman blinds you can keep the window.Mike Luich Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Burger King WVO
The kind of oil it is may have something to do with color also. I find that Soy oil is darker thank Canola. Roy Washbish doc eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dark color may be due to tarry material produced by overheating the oil.. itmay eventually cause clogging in the engine. Try filtration through very fine sand . :)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have access to all the Burger King WVO that I want. But they use the crapout of it, only changing their oil once a week. I made a test batch and theonly difference between the Burger King test batch and others is the darkcolor. So is it safe to use the Burger King BD? Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel as heating oil
Dave Look at the bottom of this email and you will find links to the info you want Roy David Van Vleet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to hear from anyone who uses processed WVO in their oil furnace. Any differences in the process? Any problem with the furnace? Thanks Dave___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Steel drums, Where to get them?
Mike If you have an oil changing place near you you could try there. That's whereI can get them in Connecticut, USA Roy Washbish Michael Luich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking forward to getting started on making biodiesel (hopefully for the house as well) But i'm not sure where i could get a hold of steel drums? any suggestions? Mike Luich [EMAIL PROTECTED]___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Morality test for you all
LOLI almost wet myself. malcolm maclure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a tough one Check this - Morality Test: This test only has one question, but it's a very important one. By giving an honest answer, you will discover where you stand morally. The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation in which you will have to make a decision. Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet spontaneous. Please scroll down slowly and give due consideration to each line. You are in Florida, Miamito to be specific. There is chaos all around youcaused by a hurricane with severe flooding. This is a flood of biblical proportions. You are a photojournalist working for a major newspaper, and you're caught in the middle of this epic disaster. The situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot career-making photos. There are houses and people swirling around you, some disappearing under the water. Nature is unleashing all of its destructive fury. Suddenly you see a man floundering in the water. He is fighting for his life, trying not to be taken down with the debris. You move closer... somehow the man looks familiar. You suddenly realize who it is. It's George W. Bush! At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him under ... forever. You have two options--you can save the life of G.W. Bush or you can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize winning photo, documenting the death of one of the world's most powerful men. So here's the question, and please give an honest answer: Would you select high contrast colour film, or would you go with the classic simplicity of black and white? Regards to allMalcolm :-)___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] PEEE YEEEUUU BAD FAT
Do your titration and you will know what you have. Besy Luck Roy Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it can be used or not. When running WVO directly, weonly used stuff that smelled good. The dark color may be okay, if itis still clear, not murky and opaque. I have bought commercialbiodiesel that was supposedly ASTM certified, but smelled rancid too. Personally, I wouldn't use it.On 9/16/05, JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I just aquired some WVO from the restraunt and It smells like a rancid rendering plant. Is this stuff worth using to make Bio? I heated it up to drive off the water but it is really dark. I have not titrated it yet. I am not sure I even want to touch it any more Yucky stuff.. Will this stuff work for Bio? I can get it fresher in the future, as they change the oil, the owner said I could bring my tank over. So I will have some control in the future. Any suggestions? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] washing method
Keith FYI It's not a McDonald's mixing machine. It is the design of the soda company. In the old days we use to put some Coke syrup in a glass and then add soda water (hence ... the SODA FOUNTAIN). I guess I'm dated now. LOLRoy Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Johnwould it be possible to add water to the outlet pipe of biodiesel reactor while transferring it to the wash tank and then just letting it settle. something like the same way coke syrup and soda water is mixed in a restaurant or MC Donall's.Could be worth a try, though I don't know anything about McDonald's methods of mixing their deadly liquids.I've no idea how well it might mix, and it'll only do your first wash, it'll still need another two washes or more which you can't do that way, so it might not be worth the effort.If you do try it, please let us know the results.Best wishesKeith___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel verification
Hi Przemyslaw I had the same question when I first started. I put some of my new fuel in an oil lamp just to see if it would BURN. IT DID. I knew I was on the right track BEST Regards. RoyKuba-tlen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, i have a question. Is there any way of checking my biodiesel "production". How can I confirm that the stuff I distilled is in fact a fuel. I mean the every method except pouring it into my car's tank and waiting what is going to happen. I will appreciate any advice in a matter. Bestwishes for all of you from Poland Przemyslaw(this is a polish name :) )___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO?
My first thought is to look on the waste oil Dumpsters behind restaurants. The onesI see have their name and number on them. You just might want to use a phone that won't be traced back to you for starters. They own the oil in them and if you start dumpster diving they will know where to look for their missing oil. Just a thought Best of luck Roy Washbish Manny Elgarresta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! this is my first post to the list. I am a newcomer to biofuel, but I am quickly learning a lot, thanks in no small part to this list. For example, just a week ago I thought the FuelMeister was great! Now I can see it is an overpriced and underperforming. I have not yet decided on going with biodiesel or SVO, but as I learn more, I am leaning towards BD. Regardless of my ultimate choice, I am going to need a source for veggie oil that's cheap and convenient. Obviously the cheapest source is free restaurant oil. I know that. Thanks. Another idea I am playing with is to set up a 300 to 500 gallon tank next to my garage and buy in bulk from a recycler of WVO. The trouble is, I can find nothing in google, Alta Vista, etc on the prices of this product, or even if it is available in those relatively small quantities. If I can get it for say, a dollar a gallon or less, it will still be a huge moeny saver for me, and I dare say much more convenient than collecting my own. You may think I am lazy...and you would be right.. but there IS another reason for my wanting to find an ultra-convenient way for doing this. The area I live in is chock full of popular internationalcelebrities, like Ricky Martin, the Bee Gees, J-Lo, etc, and I want to "show off" this biofuel thing to the whole neighborhood. Now, while I may have fun with the DIY aspect of getting my own WVO for free, and I would love to save the extra money free WVO represents, I also want to make using WVO MORE CONVENIENT than going to the gas station. If I can accomplish that, start getting some of my more famous neighbors to convert to this, and put the stories on TV (I'm a freelance TV producer), the movement may get a shot in the arm. So...does anyone know of a WVO recycling plant I can call? Or at least the correct search words I can plug into google?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO
Emil I was thinking about something like that a few months ago but stayed away from it because I felt that this forum would have covered it already if it was worth doing. The minds here are great and that product is not new. I guess I will join you in venturing into that area. Thanks for getting my mental juices going again in that area.' Good Luck Roy"Manzo, Emil" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings. Has anyone tried using an absorptive polymer to remove water from WVO? It is a cheap product that is used in sandy soils to increase water retention for plants. It is also used in products that remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks at gas stations. I think one brand is called water sock. The WVO could be pumped through a vessel containing the crystals as it was being filtered. The crystals expand with water and turn to jello then they can be dried out in the sun and reused. There is a similar product used in diapers but that is starch based and wouldnt work as well. If it works, we might save time and energy removing water. Am I making sense to anyone? Regards, Emil Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Condensers
Think about a air conditioner outside coil. The kind used with home A/C units. These things get junked all the time. I have only seen aluminum ones but if aluminum is OK then you have a good condenser. ~BEST~Roy Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes an automotive radiator will work too. In fact occasionaly people making illegal ethanol for drinking try to use automotive radiators as condensers. Then you hear the story about how they get lead poisoning from the solder used to fabricate the rad. Even an air cooled coil of copper can work if it is large enough.JoeDoug Younker wrote: While, I'm thinking out of the salvage yard, not off the shelf, but would Automotive A/C condensers work? Perhaps the process would be too corrosive to the aluminum, I don't know. Just blurting out what came to mind, sorry. Doug - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:55 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Condensers Dear All- Does anyone out there have a creative off the shelf idea for a total condenser (methanol recovery)? I'm thinking about building an air-cooled type, but I was wondering if anyone had a better solution? Also, where are some other sources to get methanol? I have a local racing fuel blender who is sympathetic, but I'm wondering if there's a stone I've left un-turned. Thanks! - Matt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] FOOLPROOF METHOD
Hi All I have tried the foolproof method twice now and have had bad results. I'm trying this method becauseI know I have CRUDDY oil. This has been the only oil I have been able to get so far (from several sources) so I'm trying to get it to work. It's SOYBEAN OIL from Chinese restaurants. It's really dark in color (loaded with SOY SAUCE I guess). I follow the direction in Journey to forever (The FOOLPROOF way to make biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html)to the letter. Whendoing the Second Stage I get NO glycerin separation. I added hours more mixing and checking and still got NO separation. I let the oil set overnight and still no separation. I used a Paing Mixer in a drill in the first stage and I used a Pump in the second stage. No splashing or high speed mixing or pumping. Good temp control during the whole process. In the first batch after I had no separation I added more Methoxide and when I let it stand and cool it Gelled. No separation in the gel. Anyone have any ideas?? My BEST to all of you. ROY Washbish Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BAD LYE??
Bob Thanks I'm CHILLED now Thanks for all your help My BEST to you Royron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROY, Take a chill. You have a small amount of soda ash in the bottom of the tank. Leave it there. Pore off the M/H and leave it in the bottom.There is no way of getting around a little [junk] in the stuff we get unless you pay BIG bucks for reagent grade or better. Even if you do, you will pick up CO2 out of the air when you handle it. But NOT a large amount and NOT enough to get your undies in a twist over.I don't know for sure [guys, check me out here] but I don't see a problem IF you did dump it all into the batch. It should settle out under your glycerin and can be dealt with later. Dry it and dump it or find an outlet for it. SOME body some where wants soda ash. Any way you look at it, your NOT dealing with radio active waste here. It is not a big deal to deal with. In the right type of soil some one may NEED soda ash to correct something.How about it you "workers of the soil", Is there a use for it?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages):http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/Search the Biofuels-biz list archives:http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out!___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New list archives
Keith FANTASTIC JOB Thank you Roy Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi allCheck out the new list archives:Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/All Biofuel list messages are there from when the list opened five years ago, continually updated with new messages, as well as the 4,500 messages from the sister list, Biofuels-biz, before we merged it with the Biofuel list 18 months ago. They're now merged in the archives too - one search searches them all.Messages by thread or by date. With search finds the "Thread" link at the top gives you the url of the whole thread, with all the messages in the thread linked at the end of the message.This is a great research tool. Enjoy!Best wishesKeith AddisonJourney to ForeverKYOTO Pref., Japanhttp://journeytoforever.org/Biofuel list owner___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] BAD LYE??
I'm having problems getting my lye into solution. It's been over 24 hours and I have swirled it about 20 times. I still have settlement (not chunks, it looks like dust) on the bottom of the jar and when I swirl it it looks like a white cloud spinning around in the methanol.Is my lye bad and how can I tell??The lye in the original container is still free (not stuck together). I did check the history messages but found nothing.What other problem could this be?Thanks for your helpRoy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] BAD LYE??
Howdy right back at ya Bob I'm using Lewis Red Devil 100% lye. So it says on the plastic bottle. It also says Contains Sodium Hydroxide (LYE). Does this change anything? I'm no chemist. I guess you figured that out already :-) Thanks Roybob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Roy, my guess is you are seeing a small amount of sodium carbonate (soda ash) which the lye may have been made from. If you are operating on a small scale, ignore the "dust". It probably won't effect the outcome. Depending on your source of lye, it's not 100 per cent anyway. I use potassium hydroxide, (~92 %) and it works fine, even tho there is a small amount of undissolved solid.ROY Washbish wrote: I'm having problems getting my lye into solution. It's been over 24 hours and I have swirled it about 20 times. I still have settlement (not chunks, it looks like dust) on the bottom of the jar and when I swirl it it looks like a white cloud spinning around in the methanol. Is my lye bad and how can I tell?? The lye in the original container is still free (not stuck together). I did check the history messages but found nothing. What other problem could this be? Thanks for your help Roy *Roy Washbish *Certified Health Coach *A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK* PRODUCTS BUSINESS *TRIVITA.COM/11393920* GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit *_mytrim.com/Roy_* Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2005-- Bob Allenhttp://ozarker.org/bob"Science is what we have learned about how to keepfrom fooling ourselves" - Richard Feynman___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages):http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/Search the Biofuels-biz list archives:http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] BAD LYE??
Bob So whatI get out of what you told me is I have soda ash in my lye caused by the absorption of carbon dioxide from room air and my breath. This action takes place after the methanol and the lye are combined ? OR ... is the absorption of CO2 taking place when the lye is being weighed? When I found that there was what I thought was undissolved lye in my methanol I stirred it for a few minutes. This did nothing. Do I now scrap this batch? What isthe basic CAUSE of my problem What are my mistakes? Are they all listed above? The relative humidity in my BIO room is 65%. Do I have this right? Your thoughts I'm really not an accident waiting to happen although I'll bet you can't tell it :-) I just need to understand this so I can get to the next place. Thanks Bunches for your time and knowledge. I appreciate it. Roy bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short answer, no. Be sure you are keeping the methanol solution closed up tight. Methanol will absorb water from the air, and the lye will cause the absorption of carbon dioxide from the air, turning the lye into insoluble soda ash. If you have kept the lye/methanol solution closed, go ahead you should not have a problem. ( I bet the legal definition of lye includes a few per cent water and some other minor impurities such as soda ash)ROY Washbish wrote: Howdy right back at ya Bob I'm using Lewis Red Devil 100% lye. So it says on the plastic bottle. It also says Contains *Sodium Hydroxide (LYE)*. Does this change anything? I'm no chemist. I guess you figured that out already :-) Thanks Roy */bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Howdy Roy, my guess is you are seeing a small amount of sodium carbonate (soda ash) which the lye may have been made from. If you are operating on a small scale, ignore the "dust". It probably won't effect the outcome. Depending on your source of lye, it's not 100 per cent anyway. I use potassium hydroxide, (~92 %) and it works fine, even tho there is a small amount of undissolved solid. ROY Washbish wrote: I'm having problems getting my lye into solution. It's been over 24 hours and I have swirled it about 20 times. I still have settlement (not chunks, it looks like dust) on the bottom of the jar and when I swirl it it looks like a white cloud spinning around in the methanol. Is my lye bad and how can I tell?? The lye in the original container is still free (not stuck together). I did check the history messages but found nothing. What other problem could this be? Thanks for your help Roy *Roy Washbish *Certified Health Coach *A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK* PRODUCTS BUSINESS *TRIVITA.COM/11393920* GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit *_mytrim.com/Roy_* Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2005 -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob "Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves" - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/*Roy Washbish *Certified Health Coach *A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK* PRODUCTS BUSINESS *TRIVITA.COM/11393920* GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit *_mytrim.com/Roy_* __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: htt
Re: [Biofuel] GASKET MATERIAL
LOL That sure changes things Thanks Bob Roy bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy, it's viton, not vitron. It is a fluoropolymer like teflon. ROY Washbish wrote: Hi Everyone. I am about to put our bio reactor and other equipment together as we get what we need. I thank all of you for all your info so far. I have learned BUNCHES :-) What a GREAT group! I have heard a lot about Vitron being the best gasket material to use for Biodiesel. I have done online searches for it and have come up with NOTHING. I need to be able to make my gaskets out of something that will stand up to biodiesel and WVO what should I use??? I have done a search at biofuel and have come up with nothing also. The stuff needs to be about 1/8 or so thick and somewhat soft I think so it will conform to curved tank sides. Please fill me in on what you do and how well it worked or is working for you and how long you have had it in-place. Now I know this is asking a lot but I want to build this one time and never have to worry about or find a leak. It's also good history for the group. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has this concern. Thanks for your help ~BEST~ Roy. Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM HTTP://www.mytrim.com/Roy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM HTTP://www.mytrim.com/Roy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] GASKET MATERIAL
Hi Everyone. I am about to put our bio reactor and other equipment together as we get what we need. I thank all of you for all your info so far. I have learned BUNCHES :-) What a GREAT group! I have heard a lot about Vitron being the best gasket material to use for Biodiesel. I have done online searches for it and have come up with NOTHING. I need to be able to make my gaskets out of something that will stand up to biodiesel and WVO what should I use??? I have done a search at biofuel and have come up with nothing also. The stuff needs to be about 1/8 or so thick and somewhat soft I think so it will conform to curved tank sides. Please fill me in on what you do and how well it worked or is working for you and how long you have had it in-place. Now I know this is asking a lot but I want to build this one time and never have to worry about or find a leak. It's also good history for the group. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has this concern. Thanks for your help ~BEST~ Roy. Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM HTTP://www.mytrim.com/Roy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Question about BD
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Re: [Biofuel] Harbor Freight Pump Upgrade needed!
Won't this pulley arrangement cause the pump to run twice (or so) the speed of the motor? Do I have thoughts right? ~BEST~ Roy ardis streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kevin, My personal advise to you is to get a pump that is truly rated for the work at hand.A gear pump for Graingers is a great pump to use for your process. Yoy will need an electric motor closed design and two pullys,a belt to drive the pump at the correct speed.If the motor is rated at 1800 r.p.m. and the pump is to be driven at 900 r.p.m. you will need one pully 3inches in dia. and the other pully 6inches in dia.with the large pully on the motor and the small pully on the pump, hope this helps!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Michael Fleetwood wrote: Hi I have had a capacitor failure on this type of pump it had only done a couple of batches - I got a warranty replacement but wonder if temperature rise from pumping hot oil rather than cold water was a factor - it occurred on a very hot day. Mike in Australia. At 11:14 PM 26/04/2005 -0400, you wrote: Hello, I've been using the Harbor Freight 1 1/2 hp clear water pump in a closed reactor Appleseed setup for some test batches Approximate 37 gal of WVO + 7 gal methoxide =42 g in a 50 gal reactor). The pump is struggling to pump oil-lift to the top of the reactor (Water heater). In fact the pump doesn't even lift the oil 2' from the outlet at this point from a lower valve outlet! I know the pump is not only underrated, but possible not working! (Maybe 4 hours total of run time with this new pump) Note: I need a pump to outlet WVO lift to reactor intake is 5 feet. Clearly I need to upgrade to pump the wvo to the reactor and also to provide better circulating mixing and need to simply upgrade this pump. Todd (Appal Energy) provided a link to: http://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.asp?UID=2005010414190186catname=waterkeyword=WPCA Also: http://www.mcmaster.com/ But does anyone recommend a specific model? Some pumps don't recommend liquid heated above 120F to circulate in pumps! I hope to purchase this unit soon, so I can produce biodiesel again. Thank you, Kevin Shea Beacon, NY ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Thanks DB Your info is helpful. It looks like you have a pretty good supply of KNOWN WVO. I hope that holds true for me. Roy DB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't hesitate using any vege oil to make bio-diesel. Soy oil is getting a bad rap because of double bond fears. but most of the soy oil I get is partally hydrogenated already which breaks the double bond. Then since this oil was used mostly to fry up some kind of meat it is 1/2 to 1/3 saturated fat with no double bonds. Just to be on the safe side I have been blending in my soy-oil with other oils that have lower IV numbers like canola cottonseed and peanut. I have made over 3000 gal of biodiesel since 2002 and have had zero problems. There are currently three different cars running on this B100 with no problems. As soon as there is a problem I will be letting this forum know about it. As far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong with making bio-diesel out of soy oil... So drive down the road Happy..DB - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish To: Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 4:09 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Hi all you fine people. I have been reading your input for about two months now and am about ready to produce my first batch of biodiesel. I am confused about which Used Vegetable Oil is best to produce biodiesel? It seems that I have read something BAD about every oil I know of, especially Soy. Which UVO should I be looking for for my biodiesel? I live in Connecticut, USA All comments are welcome. Thanks BUNCHES for your help. Roy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Chris Thanks for your info. I guess all I paid attention to was the BAD side of what I read on soy Roy Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Roy, Of course start your experiments with small batches of virgin oil, soy, or whatever. For your used oil stock the best oil is the oil you can get. Try to find a place that gives you the 'cleanest' oil, and at first try to get the oil uses with the least animal fat in it. Using the titration technique from www.Journeytoforever.org you can search for the oil that has the lowest titration for ffa's. Almost all the french fries in the US are fried in soy oil, so you will probably get soy oil. The jury is still out as to whether that is bad, as there are many people who have been using soy-based biodiesel for quite some time with no trouble. Good luck. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: ROY Washbish To: Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best Hi all you fine people. I have been reading your input for about two months now and am about ready to produce my first batch of biodiesel. I am confused about which Used Vegetable Oil is best to produce biodiesel? It seems that I have read something BAD about every oil I know of, especially Soy. Which UVO should I be looking for for my biodiesel? I live in Connecticut, USA All comments are welcome. Thanks BUNCHES for your help. Roy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Atul Thanks for the information. It's very interesting and I wish you luck on bringing the status of Women to a more acceptable place in your country. I'm happy to see this taking place. It's about time as far as I'm concerned. My BEST to you and the work you are doing, not only with your oil production but also with your work to help women. Roy atul malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear Roy...welcome to the ever growing family of biofuels enthusiasts.. i am atul based in india ..which is a place where WVO is a concept laughed at ..there isnt simply ne oil wasted the laws r too lax to prevent reuse SVO is totally ruled too out coz its too expensive and hence commercially of no use for ex...a liter of good soya oil should not be less than 1.5 dollars here to give u an idea that brings us to NON EDIBLE OILS NOW thats where the whole excitement is resting right now in india experiments in converting a few tree oils into usable ester fuels has given extremely encouraging results... if u need more info u can visit the site floated by a very respected engineer here..www.svlele.com write back to me if u need ne more info regards atul. --- ROY Washbish wrote: Hi all you fine people. I have been reading your input for about two months now and am about ready to produce my first batch of biodiesel. I am confused about which Used Vegetable Oil is best to produce biodiesel? It seems that I have read something BAD about every oil I know of, especially Soy. Which UVO should I be looking for for my biodiesel? I live in Connecticut, USA All comments are welcome. Thanks BUNCHES for your help. Roy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
I posted the question and had no idea anyone would take the CONNECTICUT area out of context. The question was posted and ended with CONNECTICUT as the area of interest for what oil to use Roy Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Frans, Palm oil is great for biodiesel. I guess it depends which 'we' you are talking about. The 'we' that are in Brazil and other southern areas use palm oil; the 'we' that lives in US use soy oil because that is what we grow here. This time the 'we' is ADM I am afraid. In Europe, the 'we' have access to rapeseed, because that is what is grown there. The use of pronouns is so interesting in an international list such as this one. As always, the answer is on a table on the JTF website. Hope that helps. The esteemed Frans van Dortmont wrote: On the discussion which oil is best; Why do we use so much soy oil rape seed oil instead of palmoil. Everywhere is see that palmoil is best efficient way to produce oil. Is it not good for making biodiesel? Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Which Oil is Best
Hi all you fine people. I have been reading your input for about two months now and am about ready to produce my first batch of biodiesel. I am confused about which Used Vegetable Oil is best to produce biodiesel? It seems that I have read something BAD about every oil I know of, especially Soy. Which UVO should I be looking for for my biodiesel? I live in Connecticut, USA All comments are welcome. Thanks BUNCHES for your help. Roy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Acetone in fuel increases mileage by 15 -35%
Hi DVS It was YOUR question but it sure interests me also. I sure hope no one was REALLY put out by your use of acetone. I feel that they were actually looking for someone with TEST equipment of offer to do a more accepted engineering test. I guess we have a bunch of engineers here and that's fine. We could get some better info in the long run from them but in the mean time we could do as you have and do our own testing in our cars or whatever we have and share the info. ~BEST~ Roy subramanian D.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi , Gasolene( petrol ) costs in India about 95 cents a liter, roughly twice of its price in U.S. And is edging up towards a dollar and more. The possibility of getting more mileage by mixing with a small dose of acetone came up from a mail posted in this list. As one of the middle class using a car trying to balance my budget I decided to give it a try. Ive not even asked anybody else to try and report. I only put a harmless query about the difference between commercial acetone and lab quality acetone and added a footnote whether anybody else has tried this acetone mix with what results. I seem to have caused a minor Tsunami. If my experiment does not measure upto expectation, I have not hurt anybody else O.K. Thank you all for yr comments. Regards, D.V.S - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl questions and a few other questions
Hi all you fine people I need the same information for South Western Connecticut. I'm in the same situation. Thanks for your help Roy Theo Chadzichristos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Im done building my processor and gathering the last odds and ends before I go oil free. A lot of thanks to everyone for all the helpful email Ive gotten from this list over time. Anyways Im having trouble locating 100% isopropyl alcohol. The highest I was able to find was 91% at a local Walgreens. I dont know if thats pure enough to do an accurate titration and feedback on that would be great. Also I picked up some Red devil lye at $5.50 for 18 ounces. Anyone know where I can get a better deal or buy in bulk? And lastly I found a chemical company who will sell me a 55 gallon drum of methanol for $2.60 a gallon. Seems a bit expensive but does anyone know where I could get a better deal. You can get a slightly better deal but only if I were to buy 4 drums. (I dont have the room). If it will help Im located in a suburb of Chicago. Thanks again everyone, Theo Chadzichristos ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Windmills in the Sky
as future intended operational sites, said David Shepard, president of Sky WindPower. But starting there will enable us to proceed to more-difficult conditions with less risk. However, the company has not yet raised the capital to build the craft. Shepard said he expected the money would be found. We do have reason to expect that we will obtain the funding necessary to carry out our intended demonstration, he said. I have reason to be optimistic. Caldeira, whose high-altitude wind energy graphs can be found on Wind SkyPower's website, said he was disappointed but not surprised the company is having trouble raising money for testing. Investors tend not to put money into a project that is risky or won't pay within a few years, he said. Caldeira said there are lots of obstacles that scare investors: testing, obtaining local permission and quelling fears of possible danger. Even if this is a far-out possibility, our society is remiss in not vigorously investigating the potential for high-altitude wind power, he added. The lack of initial investors is expected by some economists. The high risk of investment is associated in terms of length before you would see a return, said Stanley Stephenson, an economist for Litigation Economics, an economic and legal consulting firm. Stephenson said there is also the fear that larger organizations, even oil companies, could enter the market with alternative energy technologies, which makes it more difficult to find investors who are gung-ho for small venture startups. But Eric Becker, vice president of Trillium Asset Management, a firm that specializes in socially responsible investing, believes that entrepreneurial capital for projects such as Sky WindPower will soon start to flow. Becker cited EnviroMission, an alternative-energy company in Australia that is building a kilometer-high solar tower. It's as far-fetched as tethered wind turbines and they've managed to go public and are on the verge of booking orders, said Becker. After low-altitude and wind-tunnel testing, Roberts doesn't believe his invention is far-fetched at all. It has all been properly done in an academic sense. I've never had any criticism in the principle, he said. - Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 271 Diesel Generators
Jeremy If this turns out to be good I sure am interested in buying one. 23 KW DIESEL is just what I'm looking for. Thanks Roy Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have found a source for 20Kw General Motors 271 that have come off of Union Pacific Railroad cars. The hours are unkown, but is assumed that they were well taken care of as they refrigerated railroad cars. They are all tested and painted. Apperently someone bought 2300 of them, and is selling them for a few grand. Is this a desirable motor for biofuel or in general, can someone who is running them testify to their value- even if you don't know the hours. Rebuild is reported to be very easy, full rebuild kits with pistons cost 400. Thanks for any respones. Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hi you fine people I read a lot about IV and have not been able to figure out what it is. I'm new to all this. Would someone PLEASE help me out here? Thanks Roy TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hydrogenated canola has an IV of around 65 while non hydrogenated has an IV of around 112. Does anyone know if the IV in soybean (131) safflower (145) hemp (165) or sunflower (133) are altered in any way by the hydrogenation process? - Original Message - From: bob allen To: Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Howdy Kieth and Jan At the risk of looking foolish as I am an organic chemist, but don't have much experience with polymer chemistry- here goes Polymerization is a molecule molecule reaction. A compound with double carbon carbon bond is particularly susceptible free radical oxidation. Let's call them U. Compounds without carbon carbon double bounds are relatively unreactive. We will call these S. Oxygen will activate one molecule, U, but for polymerization to occur, the activated molecule must encounter another U, then the now covalently bonded pair, must encounter another U, and so on. Collisions of activated U with S don't result in a reaction. It seems to me that if you dilute U with S, that you will reduce polymerization. Or how about this. An activated molecule has only a finite amount of time to react. If an activated molecule U bumps into another U then chain growth continues. But if activated U bumps into S, no reaction occurs, other than U reacting internally, which also stops chain growth. Polymer chemists can modulate the number of molecules in a chain (chain length) by addition of non polymerizing stuff. Being a right brain guy, this discussion is made more difficult, as I can't draw all the pictures which exemplify the points I am trying to make. :( The long and short of it (no pun intended) chain length of polymers will be reduced by dilution of biodiesel blended from high IV oils with low IV oils. Put another way, the time to reach a specified degree of polymerization will be extended by dilution. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Thanks Keith I remember you giving me all this BUT I never made the connection betweem IV and IODINE VALUE. I GOT IT NOW Slow but Sure me. Thanks again ~BEST~ Roy Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi you fine people I read a lot about IV and have not been able to figure out what it is. I'm new to all this. Would someone PLEASE help me out here? Thanks Roy Hello Roy I gave you this before: Start here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start That's on this page: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Make your own biodiesel: Journey to Forever Read the whole thing, and then keep going. You'll find this on that page: Iodine Values -- High Iodine Values -- Talking about the weather All you need to know about IV. Best wshes Keith TLC Orchids and Such wrote: Hydrogenated canola has an IV of around 65 while non hydrogenated has an IV of around 112. Does anyone know if the IV in soybean (131) safflower (145) hemp (165) or sunflower (133) are altered in any way by the hydrogenation process? - Original Message - From: bob allen To: Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Howdy Kieth and Jan At the risk of looking foolish as I am an organic chemist, but don't have much experience with polymer chemistry- here goes Polymerization is a molecule molecule reaction. A compound with double carbon carbon bond is particularly susceptible free radical oxidation. Let's call them U. Compounds without carbon carbon double bounds are relatively unreactive. We will call these S. Oxygen will activate one molecule, U, but for polymerization to occur, the activated molecule must encounter another U, then the now covalently bonded pair, must encounter another U, and so on. Collisions of activated U with S don't result in a reaction. It seems to me that if you dilute U with S, that you will reduce polymerization. Or how about this. An activated molecule has only a finite amount of time to react. If an activated molecule U bumps into another U then chain growth continues. But if activated U bumps into S, no reaction occurs, other than U reacting internally, which also stops chain growth. Polymer chemists can modulate the number of molecules in a chain (chain length) by addition of non polymerizing stuff. Being a right brain guy, this discussion is made more difficult, as I can't draw all the pictures which exemplify the points I am trying to make. :( The long and short of it (no pun intended) chain length of polymers will be reduced by dilution of biodiesel blended from high IV oils with low IV oils. Put another way, the time to reach a specified degree of polymerization will be extended by dilution. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Thank You TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:IV Iodine Value - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hi you fine people I read a lot about IV and have not been able to figure out what it is. I'm new to all this. Would someone PLEASE help me out here? Thanks Roy Hello Roy I gave you this before: Start here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start That's on this page: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Make your own biodiesel: Journey to Forever Read the whole thing, and then keep going. You'll find this on that page: Iodine Values -- High Iodine Values -- Talking about the weather All you need to know about IV. Best wshes Keith TLC Orchids and Such wrote: Hydrogenated canola has an IV of around 65 while non hydrogenated has an IV of around 112. Does anyone know if the IV in soybean (131) safflower (145) hemp (165) or sunflower (133) are altered in any way by the hydrogenation process? - Original Message - From: bob allen To: Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Howdy Kieth and Jan At the risk of looking foolish as I am an organic chemist, but don't have much experience with polymer chemistry- here goes Polymerization is a molecule molecule reaction. A compound with double carbon carbon bond is particularly susceptible free radical oxidation. Let's call them U. Compounds without carbon carbon double bounds are relatively unreactive. We will call these S. Oxygen will activate one molecule, U, but for polymerization to occur, the activated molecule must encounter another U, then the now covalently bonded pair, must encounter another U, and so on. Collisions of activated U with S don't result in a reaction. It seems to me that if you dilute U with S, that you will reduce polymerization. Or how about this. An activated molecule has only a finite amount of time to react. If an activated molecule U bumps into another U then chain growth continues. But if activated U bumps into S, no reaction occurs, other than U reacting internally, which also stops chain growth. Polymer chemists can modulate the number of molecules in a chain (chain length) by addition of non polymerizing stuff. Being a right brain guy, this discussion is made more difficult, as I can't draw all the pictures which exemplify the points I am trying to make. :( The long and short of it (no pun intended) chain length of polymers will be reduced by dilution of biodiesel blended from high IV oils with low IV oils. Put another way, the time to reach a specified degree of polymerization will be extended by dilution. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Lots of questions
Thanks Kim You are right ~BEST~ Roy Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Many people are switching from electric hot water to propane, so the electric hot water heaters are available. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:15 AM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Ken Where do you get a SPENT hot water heater that doesn't leak. For me ... that would be the reason to get rid of it. Thankks Wide open for ideas Roy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel reactor setup
Keith At the risk of looking ignorant, are the items you listed in your email ALL found at journey to forever? I also am looking to go BIO the simplest way. Bye the way it seems the JTF site is down. Thanks Roy Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sir/Madam, I would like to make simplest biodiesel reactor. Can any one guide me on this reactor. regards, cuneyt See: Test-batch mini-processor Simple 5-gallon processor Journey to Forever 90-litre processor The 'Deepthort 100B' Batch Reactor Ian's vacuum biodiesel processor Chuck Ranum's biodiesel processor Micro-Production System for Biodiesel 833 Gallon Per Day Batch Plant K.I.S.S. processor Pelly Model A processor Luc's processor-in-a-cabinet Foolproof method processors The touchless processor Continuous reactors How to make a cone-bottomed processor http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors: Journey to Forever Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Lots of questions
Ken Where do you get a SPENT hot water heater that doesn't leak. For me ... that would be the reason to get rid of it. Thankks Wide open for ideas Roy Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darryl, Thanks for the suggestions. I am planning to process on the scale that presents itself (based on whatever every free equipment finds me). However, I have been thinking that spent hot water heaters seem to be the way to go for processors. Thanks again, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
