Re: [Biofuel] The Carbon Capture Juggernaut Rolls on
It seems that the best way to prevent solve the climate change problem is to lessen energy consumption and plant more trees. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:06 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] The Carbon Capture Juggernaut Rolls on The Carbon Capture Juggernaut Rolls on If the coal industry's carbon capture and storage (CCS) plan were ever implemented, it would be the largest hazardous waste disposal project that humans have ever undertaken, and among the most dangerous as well. A new report explains why the plan cannot work. http://www.precaution.org/lib/08/prn_more_ccs.080515.htm Rachel's Democracy Health News #959, May 15, 2008 The carbon capture juggernaut rolls on [Rachel's introduction: If the coal industry's carbon capture and storage (CCS) plan were ever implemented, it would be the largest hazardous waste disposal project that humans have ever undertaken, and among the most dangerous as well. A new report explains why the plan cannot work.] The coal, oil, automobile, railroad and electric power industries are planning to solve the global warming problem by capturing carbon dioxide (CO2) and burying it a mile underground, hoping it will stay there forever. The plan is called CCS, short for carbon capture and storage (or sometimes carbon capture and sequestration). Emitting CO2 into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels (coal, oil, and natural gas) is thought to be the main human contribution to global warming. If industry's CCS plan were ever implemented, it would be the largest hazardous waste disposal project that humans have ever undertaken, and among the most dangerous as well. As the New York Times reported April 23, 2008, A large leak of underground carbon dioxide could be as dangerous as a leak of nuclear fuel, critics say. Now a new report by Emily Rochon and others, published by Greenpeace International, describes industry's CCS plan in detail and shows, point by point, why it cannot prevent climate chaos. http://www.precaution.org/lib/gp_report_false_hope.080505.pdf Anyone who wants a basic introduction to CCS will want to get a copy of Rochon's report. It is a thoroughly documented, carefully argued, presentation of industry's plan, with professional graphics that clarify how CCS is supposed to work. Rochon's report is even-handed, often leaning over backwards to present the industry plan in the best possible light. Still, the report concludes that CCS is a dangerous gamble that ultimately cannot prevent climate chaos because -- even if it works -- it will arrive too late to do any good. In 40 pages, Rochon's report reinforces five main points: 1. CCS wastes energy. Capturing carbon dioxide will consume 10% to 40% of the energy produced by a power plant. This means that, on average, CCS would require construction of a fifth power plant for every 4 new power plants that use CCS. Thus CCS requires, on average, 25% more coal mining, transportation, and waste disposal than non-CCS power plants. CCS would also increase the water requirements of power plants by 90%. 2. CCS is expensive. CCS will double the cost of a power plant and will increase the cost of electricity somewhere between 21% and 91%, according to U.S. government figures. Worse, CCS will divert funds away from renewable sources of energy and energy conservation projects, which could reduce CO2 emissions faster and at lower cost than CCS. 3. Storing carbon dioxide underground is risky. No one can guarantee that CO2 buried in the ground will stay put forever. Even very low leakage rates could reverse the climate benefits achieved initially by CO2 burial. 4. CCS carries significant liability risks. A large leak of CO2 could kill vegetation, animals, and humans over a fairly large area. Industry is already angling to get taxpayers to shoulder the liability. With some 6000 CCS burial projects required to make a significant dent in the CO2 problem, opportunities for serious mishaps will be ever-present. 5. CCS cannot deliver in time to avert climate chaos. The world's scientific community is saying CO2 emissions must peak by 2015 and decline thereafter -- but even the most optimistic industry plans call for CCS to begin in 2020 -- and most industry spokespeople are saying CCS won't be available until 2030 to 2050. Despite these fatal flaws in industry's CCS plan, the U.S. and Europe (and probably China) are counting on CCS to solve the global warming problem. As Fred pearce wrote in New Scientist March 29, In Germany, only CCS can make sense of an energy policy that combines a large number of new coal-fired power stations with plans for a 40 per cent cut in CO2 emissions by 2020. And the New York Times reported April 23, Over the next five years, Italy will increase its reliance on
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Longevity] Refined Carbohydrates and the Fast Track to Disease
It is only for the last few hundred years or so that food has been relatively abundant for humans. Before farming we were hunters for millions of years since the early humans. Our bodies have evolved to digest unprocessed food and conserve the nutrients we get from them. Nowadays the food we eat are already pre-digested and our lifestyles have become sedentary (no hunting and gathering with extended periods of going without food). Its no wonder cases of obesity has gone up along with related complications and who knows what other effects this has on our bodies. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:03 AM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Longevity] Refined Carbohydrates and the Fast Track to Disease Thought this interesting Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Refined Carbohydrates and the Fast Track to Disease Thursday, May 29, 2008 Byron Richards, CCN http://www.wellnessresources.com/weight/articles/refined_carbohydrates_ and_the_fast_track_to_disease/?source=Emailcamp=news052908 A new study shows just how deadly refined carbohydrates are - even for a healthy person. One serving given to a lean and healthy young adult is adequate to triple the inflammatory response to the surge in glucose. We have known for a long time that the high glycemic/refined carbohydrates (table sugar, white bread, etc.) are disease producing when consumed over a period of time. However, I don't think anyone knew that a single meal activates the core gene signal (NF-KappaB) that drives your body's entire inflammation process - even in a healthy normal-weight person. Excess NF-KappaB activation is the central theme of all diseases - including cancer and heart disease. One hundred years ago Harvey Wiley, M.D. started the FDA so that we could have an organic food supply rich in whole grains. Soon he was booted from his position by the White House and the food industry who wanted nothing to do with healthy food for Americans. These criminals have a century of damage on their hands. Before he died he wrote a tell-all book: The History of a Crime Against the Food Law. Subtitle: The amazing story of the national food and drugs law intended to protect the health of the people perverted to protect the adulteration of food and drugs. Our government bought all the copies so hardly anyone could read it! The profits of the junk food industry and the junk grain industry have crippled the health of our citizens. Our government has been force- feeding this trash on our children for the past 30 years via the school lunch program and the food pyramid guidelines. This program has enabled refined junk food carbohydrates, sold at considerable profit by garbage-oriented food companies, to be the staple of the diet for a growing child. Heads should roll - now that their idiocy has contributed in no small part to an obesity epidemic in our children. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the ownerYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Longevity/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Longevity/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080529/0258c2d2/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question
Mechanical agitation will increase the kinetic energy of the molecules thus
temperature.
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Of James Pfeiffer
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:27 PM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org;
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question
Hey Mike. I'm a novice too but, for what it's worth, in my first 10
test batches in a blender I have gotten a pretty substantial
temperature increase during mixing - between 10F and 20F increase
depending on how long I mixed the batch (from 25 to 45 minutes) and
whether it was my first, 2nd or 3rd batch of the evening (basically
preheating the blender). In my first couple of batches I tried to
insulate the blender with a towel because I was worried that the
mixture would cool during blending. After I saw such significant
temperature gains, I took off the towel. I believe that the
temperature increase is due to friction of the blades - I don't know if
it is an exothermic reaction.
As I write this email, I'm running another test batch. the oil was
heated to 148F before putting it into a cold blender. When I started
processing, the mixture was 122F and 42 minutes later it is at 145F.
I'm processing 40 minutes instead of the 20 to 30 minutes recommended
on Journey-to-forever just because I'm trying to ensure a complete
reaction.
Hope that's useful.
Jim
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:49:05 +0900 To:
biofuel@sustainablelists.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question Methanol
shouldn't vaporize until 148.46 deg F assuming the atmospheric
pressure in you area is 760mmHg. That's the boiling point of
methanol. It starts to evaporate at much lower temperatures than
that. Temperature maintenance is one of the reasons we recommend a
mini-processor rather than a blender: You can use a spare blender,
or, better, make a simple Test-batch mini-processor.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor7.html Another reason
is that processing in a blender doesn't scale up well to a full-sized
processor, blenders are too fast. Scaling up:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#scale Best
Keith Best, Chris -Original Message- From:
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biodiesel test batch question I think (but I'm not sure) that
methanol will evaporate at 140, is that correct? If it is, then
keeping the temp below that would become very important too.
From:
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Thomas Kelly Sent: Mon 4/28/2008 6:39 PM To:
sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
biodiesel test batch question Mike, Test batches
can be difficult .. well worth the effort. Blenders provide
excellent agitation, but it is difficult to maintain the proper
temp. PET bottles allow one to maintain temp better, but agitation
may be inadequate. It is important to maintain temp
even if you must interupt agitation. Suggestion: Achieve the
temp of 130F, blend for 5 minutes, check temp If necessary,
carefully return the liquid to a container to be heated.
Return to blender and repeat 2 (3?) more times I use a hot
water bath for heating the mix. Do you have a pot big enough to fit
the blender pitcher into? The pot would contain hot (~150F)
water. Instead of pouring the hot mix back and forth you could simply
place the pitcher from the blender, with top on, into the hot
water bath to re-establish the 130F, blot dry and buzz it again.
I have returned to doing some test batches. I favor heating the
mix in a PET bottle that has a wide mouth with a twist
open/close top. Sport drink plastic bottles often have this
feature. This allows me to limit methanol evaporation while
heating the mix. I either twist the top to open while heating or I
squeeze the bottle to decrease volume of air before closing and
heating. The wide mouth and a funnel make it easy to add the liquid. I
heat the mix in a hot water bath. Good Luck, Tom
- Original Message - From: mike
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Monday, April 28, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel test
batch question Hello everyone, my first post
i want to apologize if this has been answered, but I have searched
the archives and relevant sites without finding a clear answer.
I've been reading the j2f howto for doing my first test
batch with unused veg oil and a blender. I see that I'm suppose
to pre-heat the oil before starting the process to 130 deg F,
but everything else i read says I need to maintain that
temperature
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question
Hi Mike Heat the oil further to about 145 deg F to compensate for cooling. Hopefully the heat will be enough to last the duration of the process. You can also insulate your blender with buble wrap. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:58 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question Hello everyone, my first post i want to apologize if this has been answered, but I have searched the archives and relevant sites without finding a clear answer. I've been reading the j2f howto for doing my first test batch with unused veg oil and a blender. I see that I'm suppose to pre-heat the oil before starting the process to 130 deg F, but everything else i read says I need to maintain that temperature which isn't possible without moving the oil back to another container that can be heated so I guess basically i'm asking, is that temp (130) required for the reaction or does it just aid in a faster reaction. Thanks Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question
Methanol shouldn't vaporize until 148.46 deg F assuming the atmospheric pressure in you area is 760mmHg. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Moran Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 4:46 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org; sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question I think (but I'm not sure) that methanol will evaporate at 140, is that correct? If it is, then keeping the temp below that would become very important too. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Thomas Kelly Sent: Mon 4/28/2008 6:39 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question Mike, Test batches can be difficult .. well worth the effort. Blenders provide excellent agitation, but it is difficult to maintain the proper temp. PET bottles allow one to maintain temp better, but agitation may be inadequate. It is important to maintain temp even if you must interupt agitation. Suggestion: Achieve the temp of 130F, blend for 5 minutes, check temp If necessary, carefully return the liquid to a container to be heated. Return to blender and repeat 2 (3?) more times I use a hot water bath for heating the mix. Do you have a pot big enough to fit the blender pitcher into? The pot would contain hot (~150F) water. Instead of pouring the hot mix back and forth you could simply place the pitcher from the blender, with top on, into the hot water bath to re-establish the 130F, blot dry and buzz it again. I have returned to doing some test batches. I favor heating the mix in a PET bottle that has a wide mouth with a twist open/close top. Sport drink plastic bottles often have this feature. This allows me to limit methanol evaporation while heating the mix. I either twist the top to open while heating or I squeeze the bottle to decrease volume of air before closing and heating. The wide mouth and a funnel make it easy to add the liquid. I heat the mix in a hot water bath. Good Luck, Tom - Original Message - From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel test batch question Hello everyone, my first post i want to apologize if this has been answered, but I have searched the archives and relevant sites without finding a clear answer. I've been reading the j2f howto for doing my first test batch with unused veg oil and a blender. I see that I'm suppose to pre-heat the oil before starting the process to 130 deg F, but everything else i read says I need to maintain that temperature which isn't possible without moving the oil back to another container that can be heated so I guess basically i'm asking, is that temp (130) required for the reaction or does it just aid in a faster reaction. Thanks Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What's Wrong With This Picture
Hi Gustl and Ken, If kerosene and GASOLINE is used, then what they may be doing is diluting the vegetable oil to lower viscosity and lessen the likelihood of injector clogging. The product itself may just be placebo. (Heck! Why didn't I think of that? NOT!) Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:21 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What's Wrong With This Picture Hallo Ken, Not sure but according to my wife's niece's boyfriend who uses the stuff you put 1/2 gallon kerosene, 1/4 gallon gasoline, cetane improver and the secret ingredients into wvo and then after 5 minutes you filter it 3 times, the last time being a water absorbtion filtering, and put it directly into your tank. This is with 20 gallons of wvo. Also, I am at my daughter's house and I may have the kerosene/gasoline ratios mixed up. Adam, the boyfriend, says he has been using it for about a month and everythng he told me he got straight from the website including how dangerous it is to use methanol and how expensive it is and how less expensive it is to use this stuff, etc., etc., etc. Perhaps some of the Germans on the list have an inkling of what he is talking about since it is claimed to have been used there in the immediate post WWII time. Sorry I can't be of more help. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music. Friedrich Nietzsche The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth Hello all! Has anyone checked them out and find out what's in that secret formulation they've got and what it really does to the waste vegie oil? I'm just curious. best regards, Ken Hallo, Check out this website if you want to see how well some folks talk out both sides of their mouths. http://www.dieselsecret.com No, it isn't Bio-diesel! Yes, it is the only true Bio-diesel! The Germans at Mercedes have been doing this since the post World War II years but we have the only proprietary ingredients! On, and on, and on. Same old same old. Happy Happy, Gustl ...snip of superfluous stuff... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Good use for glycerine
Hi Tom, We use an ordinary 1/2 hp clear water pump with two inlet pipes to suck in glycerine and wvo. I just adjust the inlet openings to regulate the mixing. We let it settle in a dedicated separate tank for about the same time as you would settle glycerine from BD but I reckon longer is better because of the viscosity of wvo. Thank you for the kind words. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:27 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Good use for glycerine Chris, I'm glad to hear from you. Sorry it took me so long to respond to your original post. Your post caught my interest. I did my tests and tried to respond, but I have been having problems with my ISP and little time to resolve them. I have plenty of glycerine cocktail. My interest was not only in de-watering my WVO and neutralizing FFAs, but in lowering the pH of my glycerine, which I compost. A few questions: - How do you mix the WVO and glycerin? - Is the settling time similar to that of glycerin from BD? - Do you have a settling tank specifically for settling the glycerin from the WVO? Nice website. http://www.freewebs.com/easybiodiesel/ Keep up the good work! Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What's Wrong With This Picture
Hi Ken, If I remember correctly, naphthalene (moth balls) is for a fact used in small amounts in gasoline formulations to increase octane rating. But the formulation must be carefully done. Methanol is also used to increase octane rating. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:37 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What's Wrong With This Picture Hello all! Yup! Chris is right. When I read Gustl's reply and read gasoline, I just about laughed my head off. I grew up in a motor shop with my grandfather fixing all kinds of engines, and yes, we mixed gasoline with vegie oil for quickie fixes when we run out of diesel at the shop. Quickie is all it is. Cause I've seen what that does in the long run and my granddaddy would get up from his grave and kill me if he ever heard me tell people to do it. It was a secret we had 'cause he didn't want the other mechanics to do it and ruin someone's engine. I still hear about some people adding moth balls (naphtha) once in a while and I still get a kick out of it when I hear about it. Nah! Always those pipedreams! JTF is still the real stuff. best regards, Ken http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveat_emptor :-) Chris Tan wrote: Hi Gustl and Ken, If kerosene and GASOLINE is used, then what they may be doing is diluting the vegetable oil to lower viscosity and lessen the likelihood of injector snip... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Good use for glycerine
Hi Tom, Your results seems to be a mystery to me too. Did the glycerine batch you used for the cone-shaped settling tank the same as that which you used for the mini-batch? Different batches of glycerine would have different amounts of catalyst. What we do is use atleast 10/90 weight ratio. 10kg of glycerine for 90kg of waste oil. It is possible to bring the ffa level to zero if you use large amounts of glycerine (if you happen to have accumulated large amounts). Best regards, Chris Tan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:53 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Good use for glycerine Hello, On Oct 5,2007 Chris Tan suggested using the glycerin cocktail to de-water WVO and to neutralize FFAs. (Post included below). This made sense to me. When I titrate WVO after it has been circulating in the reactor and allowed to settle, it is always slightly lower than when titrated before loading. I attribute this to the presence of some glycerin residue from the previous batch. (It never dawned on me to use the glycerine to neutralize FFAs.) After reading Chris' post I tested the hypothesis by mixing (shaking) 0.5L WVO with 10 ml of glycerin cocktail. I did two samples. Both titrated a bit less than the WVO alone ( ~ 2.9g KOH/L vs 3.2 g KOH/L). I then set up a small cone-shaped settling tank and mixed (paint stirrer on an electric drill) 20L of the same WVO with 500ml of the same glycerin cocktail. The next day the WVO still titrated at 3.2 g KOH/L. I titrated it again; same result. Chris' post make seems to agree with my own experience. It also seemed to be corroborated by my mini test, and it seems to make sense. Questions: 1. Is there any reason the alkaline glycerin would not neutralize FFAs? 2. Why didn't it neutralize FFAs in my larger (settling cone) test? (The settling cone is now in use.) The FFAs would be neutralized as soaps which, given time would settle out with the glycerin. WVO with high FFA also tends to hold water. Treatment with glycerin held some promise for treating the cubie (18L container) of marginal WVO that I get on occasion. Not only should the glycerin neutralize the FFAs, but the FFAs should lower the pH of the glycerin making it more environmentally friendly(?) Thoughts, comments, suggestions appreciated, Tom [Biofuel] Good use for your glycerin cocktail Christopher Tan Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:17:05 -0700 Here's a good use for your glycerin cocktail before finally giving it away. My father came up with the idea that you can use the glycerin cocktail to dry your waste oil. And it works. Glycerin is hygroscopic enough to pull moisture out as it settles down so you wouldn't have to heat or boil the oil. And as a bonus, it neutralizes the ffa's in the waste oil. Most of the catalyst end up in the glycerin cocktail so it neutralizes the ffa's. Best, Chris Tan P.S. Kindly check out my personal website -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071210/35c9d444/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] i-blew-up-my-2008-f350-on-biodiesel (supposedly)
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/05/02/i-blew-up-my-2008-f350-on-biodiesel/ Best, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Kindly check out my personal biodiesel website.
Good day to everyone. Kindly, check out my personal biodiesel website. http://www.freewebs.com/easybiodiesel/ Thanks. Best regards, Chris Tan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Good use for your glycerine cocktail
Here's a good use for your glycerine cocktail before finally giving it away. My father came up with the idea that you can use the glycerine cocktail to dry your waste oil. And it works. Glycerine is hygroscopic enough to pull moisture out as it settles down so you wouldn't have to heat or boil the oil. And as a bonus, it neutralizes the ffa's in the waste oil. Most of the catalyst end up in the glycerine cocktail so it neutralizes the ffa's. Best, Chris Tan P.S. Kindly check out my personal website. http://www.freewebs.com/easybiodiesel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] glycerine
Hi to everyone: Anyone in the Philippines interested in about a ton of glycerine cocktail. Just haul it away and it's yours. I'm in Bulacan. Best, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] (no subject)
Hi to everyone: Anyone in the Philippines interested in about a ton of glycerine cocktail. Just haul it away and it's yours. I'm in Bulacan. Best, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jathropa oil Fatty Acid Distribution
Dear Mr. Gaoncalves: Thank you so much for the information. Best regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 4:43 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jathropa oil Fatty Acid Distribution Dear colleague, Please find attached a little reference to your question. Truly, Paulo Cesar Goncalves Good day to all: Does anyone have data on the fatty acid distribution of Jathropa oil? I can't seem to find it on the net. Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jathropa oil Fatty Acid Distribution
Good day to all: Does anyone have data on the fatty acid distribution of Jathropa oil? I can't seem to find it on the net. Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel New Process
Dear Thomas, Ken, Trevon and everyone: I think it is safe to say that we are all in agreement that there's nothing in the process that we don't already know. The last new thing I found about biodiesel production was sulfonated charcoal as catalyst. I made some and got some decent reaction but the process of making the stuff was a complete turn-off. If you guys do find something new do share.Thanks. Best, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel New Process
This website http://www.inet.hr/~jkuftine/en/biodizel.htm features a so called 'New Process but, frankly, I can't see anything new about their process and it doesn't seem to make any sense. Anyone care to comment? Thanks Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel :-)
In the movie Fight Club, Brad Pitt's character makes quality soap that he sells to high class shops. He breaks into hospital dumpsters to get his raw material. =) Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:07 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel :-) This whole subject is making me feel sick... I can't take the visual image of it all. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel :-) Are we talking about grain fed lipofat vs range fed? Range fed would require walking around and bending over, causing less fat and more lean meat, whereas grain fed requires only bending over, like we are already used to, plus easier to engineer and enrich the grain for the highest quality lipofat. Mike LOL! What about the comparative Omega-3 fatty acid content? Is the grain a fossil-fuels dependant industrial monocrop a la ADM? Not carbon-neutral lipofat then, hm. What will be the effect of this kind of biofuel on tortilla prices in Mexico? To say nothing of Tyson's bottom line, let alone the Nikkei Index? And what about MOA disease (Mad Overweight Americans) - are feed regulations in place to ensure that you're not eating each other's brains? Let them eat grass, that's what I say. Actually, a certain list member made some liposuction by-product biodiesel four years ago but kept quiet about it because he wasn't sure the world was ready. Or something like that. Best Keith - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Fred Finch To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel :-) Wait a minute... I think we have a potential new field of employment for many Americans! We would generate our own fuel reserves by sucking out the fat of our asses at the same time we suck off the fat of the land! Granted it would not be sustainable. Kind of like what Tyson foods does to chickens. We could have literal fat farms! Produce the fat and render the fat. What a great idea! fred On 2/13/07, MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL LOL LOL LO:L...Get off your lazy fat asses and REJECT REAL ID...LOL LOL LOL Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: frantz Desprez mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel :-) :-) Liposuccions: a new source of biodiesel! A norwegian businessman, Mr. Lauri Venøy, will settle in Miami in Florida to launch a production of biodiesel starting from greases resulting from liposuccions. 60% of the Americans are in overweight and a great number of them has recourse to the liposuccion. For Mr. Lauri Venøy, that can represent a lucrative market in the field of renewable energies. The norwegian contractor is currently in talks with the Jackson Memorial American hospital for the signature of an agreement, which would enable him to acquire 11.500 liters of human grease resulting from liposuccions each week, and thus to produce 10.000 liters of bio-diesel. BE Norway number 71 (8/02/2007) - Embassy of France in Norway/ADIT - http://www.bulletins-electroniques.com/actualites/41155.htmhttp://ww w.bulletins-electroniques.com/actualites/41155.htm Liposuccions : une nouvelle source de biodiesel ! Un homme d'affaire norvégien, M. Lauri Venøy, va s'installer à Miami en Floride pour lancer une production de biodiesel à partir des graisses issues des liposuccions. 60 % des Américains sont en surpoids et un grand nombre d'entre eux ont recours à la liposuccion. Pour M. Lauri Venøy, cela peut représenter un marché lucratif dans le domaine des énergies renouvelables. L'entrepreneur norvégien est actuellement en pourparler avec le très grand hôpital américain Jackson Memorial en vue de la signature d'un accord, qui lui permettrait d'acquérir 11 500 litres de graisse humaine issue des liposuccions chaque semaine, et ainsi de produire 10.000 litres de bio-diesel. BE Norvège numéro 71 (8/02/2007) - Ambassade de France en Norvège / ADIT - http://www.bulletins-electroniques.com/actualites/41155.htmhttp://ww w.bulletins-electroniques.com/actualites/41155.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Quality Testing (Philippines)
Dear Mr. Del Rosario: Have you ever had any of your homebrewed biodiesel tested to see if it meets PNS Specs? If so, what are the results and how much did it cost you? Best, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cheap credible source of Biodiesel in Bulacan Philippines
For you guys who live in near Bulacan, Philippines, there's a small shop along MacArthur highway were you can get clean biodiesel at same price as petrol diesel. If you're interested let me know. Best, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Refrig. Compressor as a Vacuum Pump
Yes it will. Just make sure that your vacuum tank can take it. I made one a month ago and I crumpled a 12gal guage16 stainless steel tank=) But it was a lot of fun doing it. Best, Chris From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:45 AM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] Refrig. Compressor as a Vacuum Pump A couple of months ago a post suggested using a refrigerator compressor as a vacuum pump. I just accidentally destroyed the refrigerator that I had been using for my kegs of homebrewed beer. The compressor still works. Will it work as a vacuum pump on my processor? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Strange oil properties
I'll try that just to see the effect. But I don't think I can freeze 200L. Thanks, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:biofuel- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Katie Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:51 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Strange oil properties try freezing it, i think. someone can probably say otherwise, but it seems to me that lard will hold more water if it is not pure fat. if you separate the lard out maybe it will behave itself? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Chris Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Strange oil properties Greetings to everyone, About 5 months ago I collected about 200 liters (55gal) of used oil. I was able to determine that my supplier used a mixture of palm, lard and coconut oil. Back then I did trial batches and it tested ok. Acid content measured less than 3%. I left it alone while I was building a bigger reactor. Now that I was testing my reactor and I ran 100liter, all I got is glop. I can't seem to get the water out. I tried using concentrated salt solution, flash drying and settling. None of them worked. I noticed that if I heat the oil, it only gets darker and darker but the cloudiness due to water still persists. And doing a trial just seems to indicate that water is still in the oil. A had a small sample of oil way way back that behaved exactly like this. (I still have it.) Could it be that as oil ages its affinity to water increases? Has anyone experience the same thing? Best, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.23/513 - Release Date: 11/2/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.23/513 - Release Date: 11/2/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Strange oil properties
Greetings to everyone, About 5 months ago I collected about 200 liters (55gal) of used oil. I was able to determine that my supplier used a mixture of palm, lard and coconut oil. Back then I did trial batches and it tested ok. Acid content measured less than 3%. I left it alone while I was building a bigger reactor. Now that I was testing my reactor and I ran 100liter, all I got is glop. I can't seem to get the water out. I tried using concentrated salt solution, flash drying and settling. None of them worked. I noticed that if I heat the oil, it only gets darker and darker but the cloudiness due to water still persists. And doing a trial just seems to indicate that water is still in the oil. A had a small sample of oil way way back that behaved exactly like this. (I still have it.) Could it be that as oil ages its affinity to water increases? Has anyone experience the same thing? Best, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sharing Biodiesel
I noticed a number of times that a 50:50 mixture of biodiesel and dinodiesel burns longer than pure dinodiesel. Has anyone notice this too? Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 6:26 AM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] Sharing Biodiesel Hello to all, Todd S. recently made the point that,it would be better, environmentally, to use B-75,and share the other 25% with someone else, rather than have one person going with B-100. Using the same volume of BD, having one B-75 and one B-25 reduces exhaust emissions more than one B-100. I haven't been able toformulate an objection to this other than the fact that I'd have to change my licence plates .. currently BD100. Theremay beadvantagesto doing this that go beyond reduced exhaust emissions while using the amount ofBD available. I think that involving more people in the actual use of a biofuel, rather than discussion, theorizing, and complaining about their unavailability, adds momentumto the movement towards cleaner fuels. Use and acceptance may may stimulate demand resulting in greater volume/greater availability. When I began using BD in my car and it worked, I felt a bit of a weight lifted off my shoulders. I was a bit less of the problem and a bit more of the solution. Last week I had to drive a gasoline car. For the first time since the end of winter, I had to go to a gas station to put gasoline in a car. I had an uneasy feeling about it.I'm suggesting that there's a psychological shift that occurs when a person feels they are part of the solution even if only a tiny part. It simply feels better than being part of the problem. The only objections I can come up with to the idea of sharing my BD, as Todd suggests, is that I'd have to go to the pumps again to get diesel fuel and I hate the smell of petro diesel.Other objections that come to mind are more petty and do more to reveal personal shortcomings rather than having any real force of argument. I have been thinking of scrapping the plates anyway. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] oil in galvanized zinc coated drums
I set aside some waste oil in a galvanized zinc coated drum. Later, I noticed that some of the oil seems to have solidified on the side of the drum. Does anyone have an explanation for this? Thanks, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] oil in galvanized zinc coated drums
I did some research on the net and found two cases were galvanized container formed deposits. I now know that it's zinc soap as opposed to sodium/potassium soap. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Tan Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 2:19 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] oil in galvanized zinc coated drums I set aside some waste oil in a galvanized zinc coated drum. Later, I noticed that some of the oil seems to have solidified on the side of the drum. Does anyone have an explanation for this? Thanks, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BETTER MIXING BETTER BIODIESEL LESS ENERGY
Could you please send it to me too. Thanks. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:00 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BETTER MIXING BETTER BIODIESEL LESS ENERGY Hello Citando, I sent you a schematic and after reading this you should understand the benefits. This is all based on experience. I just made a 100 Liter batch and the color was so light it looks like virgin oil, It separated in COLD water on the first mix in under a minute. was clear as crystal on the 4th wash. Keep in mind this is not changing the way any JtF procedures are done, It is just an enhancement. use it where you are but don't start on the acid base start at the beggining. See below [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jim I, would like to know more about that. tank you Citando JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wouldst it be cool if we had a way of doing these: IMPROVING THE SAFE HANDLING OF CHEMICALS? A PVC venturi fitting installed on the discharge side of the pump allows yous to suck in your chemicals using a small hose. The pumps horspower when used to push the oil through the fitting causes a vacume at the port down stream of the Orfice or hole that the oil travels through. If you hook a small plastic hose to this you can pull in chemical without pouring it in. This is safe. Injecting all our chemicals into our oil without pouring them in? see above During the process of injection, getting a better than 90% total mix? This is one of the great side benefits of what happens when the oil is forced through the orfice - it creates a vacume on the other side when a fluid is sucked in to this area down stream of the orfice a super turbulent hyper mixing action takes place and mixes whatever with the oil - and it will stay that way much longer than through any other type of mixing - This is the principal that the University of Cambridge uses for their processor. Keep the top 1 (where any unmixed Methoxil sits in your processor) mixed with the rest? Yes no matter how you do it some separation of methoxil and oil is going to happen and it goes to the top. But with the venturi you simply place the suction tube to a port that goes down into the processor and pulls this top layer back into the mix with oil from the bottom of the reactor. When the hour is up you end up with Hyper mixed fluid. Reclaim the methanol from the glycerin of the last batch right back into the fresh oil of a new batch? After you have made a Batch of bio you have a batch of FA - GL (fatty acids Glyceryn) put this in a container with one outlet. Place the suction tube on the outlet. Turn on your pump. (bench mark where the oil is so you can see how much methanol you have pulled in) now gently heat the container of FA-GL Under vacume it will boil out the methanol. as this hot gas is mixed with the cool oil (at atmospheric pressure) it instantly turns to liquid and mixes at the same time. (for acid base only) Reclaim the methanol from the Biodiesel before washing (allowing for a washing experience you may not have ever experienced)? Before you wash your bio turn your pump onn with the venturi on hook it to a chilled reclaimer vessel and hook the syuction port to one side and another line to your processor and be sure you have a closed system. the methanol will drop out in the reclaimer and will be very pure. Once you have it out the bio will wash much better than it did with the methanol in it. One thing NEVER EVER NEVER hook the suction to a water port for washing - this is a gauranteed emulsion with the best bio made. because the venturi mixes so well it will take a long time to settle out. (but it will eventualy) Well I do have a way and I would like to share it, Joe Street and I have both been developing this technique along parallel lines of thought and it works so well, and it IMPROVES SAFETY. Better than that it cost's about 20 bucks to add to your processor. These can be purchased from the internet very reasonably. Reply if you want to know if I'm tooting bull or like Bob Allen says, can give the proof of the pudding - this car does not run on water. ;^) Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Email gratuito com 2 000 MB Espaço para guardar 1 milhão de mensagens http://www.portugalmail.pt/2000mb ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
2nd run dropped down to 6% ffa. The 1st run separated beautifully with base transesterification. The 2nd run solidified to soap. I'm going to do a 3rd run reusing the catalyst. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Tan Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:53 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst I tried to make the stuff from cotton without the Nitrogen. I did the pyrolysis and the sulfonation for half the time. I guess I was too impatient. I tested it with WVO with 12% FFA. After treatment, the FFA content went down to only 5%. To make sure that it wasn't the leftover acid that was doing the job, I'm doing another run, using the same sample I made. Then I will try to transesterify both runs. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:48 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst Hi Chris The way I see it, this new catalyst isn't environment friendly at all. So much energy is needed to pyrolyse sugar at 400 degrees centigrade for 15 hours. On top of that, you need to heat it at 150 degrees with 200mL of concentrated sulfuric acid for another 15 hours. Then you need to wash it to remove the acid. So then where will the acid wash water go? Down the drain? Not to mention the fumes produced during the whole process. Yes. Hot concentrated sulphuric acid lacks appeal. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
I tried to make the stuff from cotton without the Nitrogen. I did the pyrolysis and the sulfonation for half the time. I guess I was too impatient. I tested it with WVO with 12% FFA. After treatment, the FFA content went down to only 5%. To make sure that it wasn't the leftover acid that was doing the job, I'm doing another run, using the same sample I made. Then I will try to transesterify both runs. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:48 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst Hi Chris The way I see it, this new catalyst isn't environment friendly at all. So much energy is needed to pyrolyse sugar at 400 degrees centigrade for 15 hours. On top of that, you need to heat it at 150 degrees with 200mL of concentrated sulfuric acid for another 15 hours. Then you need to wash it to remove the acid. So then where will the acid wash water go? Down the drain? Not to mention the fumes produced during the whole process. Yes. Hot concentrated sulphuric acid lacks appeal. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
The way I see it, this new catalyst isn't environment friendly at all. So much energy is needed to pyrolyse sugar at 400 degrees centigrade for 15 hours. On top of that, you need to heat it at 150 degrees with 200mL of concentrated sulfuric acid for another 15 hours. Then you need to wash it to remove the acid. So then where will the acid wash water go? Down the drain? Not to mention the fumes produced during the whole process. With 200mL of sulfuric acid you could have treated 200L of WVO. They say the new stuff is reusable but I'm pretty sure it is impossible to complete recover 100% of the catalyst after use. Best regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 2:37 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst Mike, I think you have hit it on the head, The sugar catalyst is plays the role of the Acid in the two stage reaction but I don't think it will complete a reaction all on its own. And the fact that it is reusable is on its own a benefit but unless times and temps are increase beyond the layman grasp I remain very skeptical of it. Now on the other hand this IA State catalyst really shows promise as it would eliminate washing altogether -no?. Well enough of my presumptions - we are witnessing some interesting developments in biofuels. Best Jim Mike McGinness wrote: John, It says the particles are made of sand and calcium. The actual catalysts are attached to the surface of the particle and the active catalyst compound is not described (except to call them mixed oxides). I say catalysts because they mention having both acid and base catalysts on the same particles. by creating a mixed oxide catalyst that has both acidic and basic catalytic sites. Acidic catalysts on the particle can convert the free fatty acids to biodiesel while basic catalysts can convert the oils into fuel. Mike McGinness John Beale wrote: Searching the Des Moines Register website, I found this article: http://snipurl.com/q4m4 Searching the Iowa State University website, I found this article: http://snipurl.com/q4mj It says on the second article that the catalyst is made of calcium and sand, not sugar and sulfuric acid. -John On May 6, 2006, at 11:35 PM, JJJN wrote: My mother in law sent me an article by Anne Fitzgerald writing for the (Des Moines?) Register. The article states that Victor Lin and two fellow University of Iowa Chemists have created a new catalyst that is reusable (20 times) and can be filtered. The catalyst will be quite a bit more expensive than what we are using now but will pay out over time because of the reuse. West Central cooperative is going to test the catalyst on a commercial scale. Anne Fitzgerald can be reached at 515 284 8122 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] This sounds very much like the glucose/carbon/sulfur carbon compound. BUT I do not know if it is or something new. Well lets hope this becomes available to us all very soon. My best Jim. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists. org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Chemical Grades
Thanks for all your input. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike McGinness Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 9:10 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chemical Grades Chris, Impurities can interfere with the reaction. The interference can be positive or negative. You asked about impurities in lab grade chemicals versus Reagent or ACS grade. Here in the USA we consider Reagent and ACS grade to be lab grade. We call the next lower grade commercial and / or industrial grade. Just pointing this out for clarification. A question you should ask yourself first is do you want test results using high purity reagents or do you want real world home made batch test results using the industrial / commercial purities that are readily available at a much lower cost and therefore are more likely to be used by many of us in this group, in your experiments. This is an issue / question I have had to deal with in my own R D lab as I usually want my data to translate into results that I can use in the field. It is possible that some impurities might help rather than hurt the yield and purity of the final product(s). One problem with using lower purity reagents is the difficulty of getting reproducible results. If you use the lower purity reagents you might consider also running multiple tests with several different commercial grade sources and determining the variance +/- in product yield. If you want to focus on comparing the relative completeness of the reaction of several recipes by measuring total glycerol ONLY and you want to eliminate other extraneous variables, then ACS Reagent grade chemicals would be the best choice. For instance if you get a batch to batch variation of 20% due to impurities and the true variation between recipes is only 15%, your data, the data you want, will be some what hidden within the 20% variations. Best, Mike McGinness Chris Tan wrote: To Prof. Bob Allen, I plan to compare the relative completeness of the reaction of several recipes by measuring total glycerol. Is it okay to use laboratory grade chemicals for the analysis instead of reagent or ACS grade? Will the impurities in lab grade chemicals significantly interfere with the results? Reagent and ACS grade chemicals cost so much. Thanks, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chemical Grades
To Prof. Bob Allen, I plan to compare the relative completeness of the reaction of several recipes by measuring total glycerol. Is it okay to use laboratory grade chemicals for the analysis instead of reagent or ACS grade? Will the impurities in lab grade chemicals significantly interfere with the results? Reagent and ACS grade chemicals cost so much. Thanks, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help needed.
Thanks everyone. I probably need a bung plug wrench which I don't have an idea of. I 'll go research on the net. Thanks, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:49 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help needed. Do you have a bung plug wrench? Chris Tan wrote: Greetings Everyone, Do any of you know just how to safely open a sealed 55gal steel drum full of methanol? It's my first time. Thanks, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help needed.
Greetings Everyone, Do any of you know just how to safely open a sealed 55gal steel drum full of methanol? It's my first time. Thanks, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution
Hydrocarbons are relatively inert. They only undergo reaction at vigorous conditions such high pressure and/or high temperature, i.e. with a spark(kaboom!). A reactant would need to have what is called a functional group to react at less vigorous condition. With alcohols, the functional group is -OH which makes it react. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:00 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution How would you react the solution with the gas? Teoman Naskali wrote: Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for the methroxide but still... that would save a lot of money. Has anynone experimented? Any good reason why I shouldn't? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] noryl impellers
Thanks Earl. Best regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 9:00 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] noryl impellers Chris, I don't think that noryl will hold up. My company had a problem with esterized hydrocarbons (in the form of machine oil) attack a mechanical shaft made with noryl in one of our aircraft instruments. After a few months the oil weakened the noryl to the point that it fractured. We had to repair half our altimeters at our expense. We found that cleaning the machine oil off of the metal part of the shaft before mating it with the noryl part eliminated the problem. Oops. There are plastics that will hold up in fuel. We are using glass-filled PPS (don't remember what is stands for offhand), and ULTEM in one of our aicraft fuel probe designs (JP-8 resistant). You may be able to find other impellers made from these materials. Earl Kinsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmen of today. - President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906 - Original Message - From: Chris Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] noryl impellers Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Getting Ready for Winter
Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] noryl impellers
Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] noryl impellers
Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Getting Ready for Winter
Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Hi Mon, The pamphlet doesnt say directly that coops are not allowed to make biodiesel. Here are excerpts from the pamphlet. I trust you can read tagalog? Regards, Chris Anong konkretong hakbang ng pamahalaan upang mapalaganag ang paggamit nito? (Biodiesel) Dahil sa mga nakitang benepisyo ng coco-biodiesel, si Pres. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo ay nag-isyu ng Memorandum Circular No.55 noong Feb 9, 2004, na nag-uutos sa lahat ng ahensiya ng gobyerno, kabilang ang mga Government-Owned and Controlled Corporations (GOCCs), na gumamit ng 1% coco-biodiesel sa kanilang mga sasakyang diesel. Ano ang posisyon ng mga oil companies sa paghalo o blend ng biodiesel sa kanilang diesel fuel? Napagtanto ng mga oil companies na ang biodiesel ay isang environmentally friendly at alternatibong fuel. Ang blended biodiesel ay nakikitang may benepisyo habang ginagamit. Ang mga oil companies naman ay hindi tutol sa pagbalangkas ng gobyerno ng mandato upang gumamit ng biodiesel na halo sa diesel fuel para maipakilala ang biodiesel. Kaya ba ng mga kooperatiba na gumawa ng biodiesel? Hindi pa po. Napakaimportante na malaman ang tungkol sa coconut methyl ester at biodiesel. Kahit na sinong tao na may basic knowledge sa paggawa ng methyl ester ay kayang gumawa ng coconut methyl ester. Subalit, kakaunting kumpanya ang may kakayahan na gumawa nito at makamit ang espesipekasyon ng B100 biodiesel. Kailangan din ng mga pasilidad para mas kontrolado ang mga produktong nangangailangan ng waste water control treatment at proseso. Kailangan ng ibang pasilidad para dito. Gaano kaimportante ang pag-ayon sa espesipekasyon para sa Methyl Ester na nakapaloob sa Philippine National Standard? Ang mga oil companies ay gagamit lamang ng coconut methyl ester o biodiesel na nakapasa sa Philippine National Standard para sa B100. Ito ay isang requirement para sa lahat ng suppliers. Ang isang substandard coconut methyl ester ay magbibigay ng malaking hadlang kapag nagkaproblema. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Hi Mon, The pamphlet doesnt say directly that coops are not allowed to make biodiesel. Here are excerpts from the pamphlet. I trust you can read tagalog? Regards, Chris Anong konkretong hakbang ng pamahalaan upang mapalaganag ang paggamit nito? (Biodiesel) Dahil sa mga nakitang benepisyo ng coco-biodiesel, si Pres. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo ay nag-isyu ng Memorandum Circular No.55 noong Feb 9, 2004, na nag-uutos sa lahat ng ahensiya ng gobyerno, kabilang ang mga Government-Owned and Controlled Corporations (GOCCs), na gumamit ng 1% coco-biodiesel sa kanilang mga sasakyang diesel. Ano ang posisyon ng mga oil companies sa paghalo o blend ng biodiesel sa kanilang diesel fuel? Napagtanto ng mga oil companies na ang biodiesel ay isang environmentally friendly at alternatibong fuel. Ang blended biodiesel ay nakikitang may benepisyo habang ginagamit. Ang mga oil companies naman ay hindi tutol sa pagbalangkas ng gobyerno ng mandato upang gumamit ng biodiesel na halo sa diesel fuel para maipakilala ang biodiesel. Kaya ba ng mga kooperatiba na gumawa ng biodiesel? Hindi pa po. Napakaimportante na malaman ang tungkol sa coconut methyl ester at biodiesel. Kahit na sinong tao na may basic knowledge sa paggawa ng methyl ester ay kayang gumawa ng coconut methyl ester. Subalit, kakaunting kumpanya ang may kakayahan na gumawa nito at makamit ang espesipekasyon ng B100 biodiesel. Kailangan din ng mga pasilidad para mas kontrolado ang mga produktong nangangailangan ng waste water control treatment at proseso. Kailangan ng ibang pasilidad para dito. Gaano kaimportante ang pag-ayon sa espesipekasyon para sa Methyl Ester na nakapaloob sa Philippine National Standard? Ang mga oil companies ay gagamit lamang ng coconut methyl ester o biodiesel na nakapasa sa Philippine National Standard para sa B100. Ito ay isang requirement para sa lahat ng suppliers. Ang isang substandard coconut methyl ester ay magbibigay ng malaking hadlang kapag nagkaproblema. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Tell that to our gov as they are clueless or worse. Regards -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 7:34 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Interesting... I live about 25 miles from NREL, and honestly, they are not very interested in promoting, testing, making standards for, etc, for biodiesel. Their biofuels division is much more interested in pie in the sky research on hydrogen fuels (due to political directives).There is more activity in biodiesel standards and quality control from our local citizens co-op, and on this list, than I have seen from NREL. Very odd that the Phillipene DOE would entrust testing to them when they do so little here On 9/24/05, Chris Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been reading up on this for past 3 years or so and its like this. There have been local studies on biodiesel for years. The government only took notice when they saw they could boost coconut industry (and their pockets). So they immediately tied up with the big chemical companies senbel, chemrez and ir chem'ls. But the resulting product is too expensive. So the gov tried to talk the big 3 oil companies into buying the product as additive but couldn't twist their arms because they say that the product has not been proven yet. So instead, gov and big 3 oil companies (and big car manufacturers) agreed to test the product and formulate a standard locally. Now shell has reason to be angry at gov for not following the agreed test protocols (what ever that may be) by submitting the product to US DoE's NREL.(see article below.) And so senbel, chemrez and ir chem'ls market their expensive product without a clear standard. Talk about talking to the wrong people. Big 3 chem'l company say product is good to make sales. Big 3 oil company say product is bad because if it were good they will have to market less of their fuel therefore less sales. Regards I-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ike aguilar Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:35 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila hi to all i'm just wondering how the gov. approved to use the the biofuels without setting up with a standard, i,m really confused about this. Here's an article from Manila Bulletin DoE defies test protocols on CME By MYRNA M. VELASCO While they are chastised for not being receptive of the introduction of coco methyl ester (CME) as a blend to diesel products, the country's giant oil companies have turned the table on the Department of Energy (DoE), noting that the latter defied test protocols earlier agreed upon to test the viability of the product. We have aired our concern that before we can accept CME as additive to our diesel, the product should undergo all series of tests, and all related infrastructure should also be addressed, one of the big oil companies stressed. The oil firms have also aired their concern about storage facility for the fuel since their depots in Pandacan have already been significantly scaled down. Another infrastructure-related problem they have reportedly brought up with the government is if the CME manufacturer would be willing to put up a pipeline so that the product could be dispatched directly at their depots. None of these has been addressed by DoE, they whined, noting that instead of talking to them, the latter preferred to take refuge by submitting the product for testing by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), an attached agency of the US Department of Energy. The oil firms have clarified that they do not have any objection about third party testing for the CME; but they emphasized that the test protocols they have proposed are the same process that the government sought with NREL. It would be recalled that the Philippine energy department engaged the help of its American counterpart agency in its bid to promote CME as alternative fuel for public transport in the country. It has been taken as part of the US government's commitment to help the Philippines in exploring and promoting alternative fuels that will not just generate cash savings; but will also cut down greenhouse gas emissions. In an interview with US-DoE officials in March, they have revealed that the Philippine CME testing may take an extension of three to four months, to better assess the stability of properties of the fuel and to ensure that it would not tear down or cause some corrosion in the engines when already used massively in vehicles. Due to some questions on its technical suitability to existing vehicle engines and other concerns such as on storage, the energy department claimed that it was prompted to seek an independent testing of the fuel; aside from the one that has
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
www.doe.gov.ph/neecp/Coco-biodiesel.pdf I would have to follow up on the translation. Regards -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 4:47 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Do you have a link to the phamplet? Chris Tan wrote: Hi Patrick, It's not that the government is not strict about standards. The government doesn't have a standard in the first place. The government with all its manpower (which we pay for with our taxes) cannot or would not make a standard of its own. Take biodiesel for example, I tried contacting DoE about our government's standard but have not receive any concrete answer. And yet Senbel other two big chemical companies are already marketing their expensive biodiesel additive. They are dictated by big business or by the highest bidder. A pamphlet posted on DoE's website says that biodiesel cannot be made by cooperatives or such. Guess who they got the pamphlet from? From who else but Senbel. Regards, Chris -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Anthony Opaco *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:25 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Hi All, Thanks for the replies... The reason why I'm a little bit hesitant is well mainly because the info drive here in Manila is not that good and second some unscrupulous business men before are selling unleaded gas (prior to E10) that has water in it. That's a real bummer but now they are at the hands of the law. Probably I'll continue using E10 at my old car and will just fill my new car if the masses here would start patronizing E10, coz most of the time the gas station that I bought E10 doesn't have that much customers compared to the gas stations of Shell, Caltex (Chevron Texaco in the US) and Petron (a local venture that has a saudi partner). It's good to know that a lot of people around the world are using E10/E85, it's just that the standards here in the Philippines are not that strict. Like for example when you manufacture Ethanol, you guys there in the commercial level applies strict standards to ensure that the product you're selling is really good right? Here in the Philippines doesn't go that way. The issue I think here is more of the consumers confidence towards Ethanol because as I've said the standards here are not that super strict compared to for example the US. To Ramon - E10 is 10% Ethanol blend and 90% unleaded gasoline. I don't do the mixing, I buy it from one of the minor oil players here. The major players (Shell, Caltex and Petron) don't carry yet Ethanol in their products. By the way guys, how about the computer that is controlling the fuel system or whatever you call that... fuel intake of your car? That won't be messed up right if filling up E10? So to sum it all, E10 is just your ordinary unleaded fuel provided that strict measures/standards are enforced in manufacturing the said fuel? Regards, Patrick --- - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Title: RE: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Ive been reading up on this for past 3 years or so and its like this. There have been local studies on biodiesel for years. The government only took notice when they saw they could boost coconut industry (and their pockets). So they immediately tied up with the big chemical companies senbel, chemrez and ir chemls. But the resulting product is too expensive. So the gov tried to talk the big 3 oil companies into buying the product as additive but couldnt twist their arms because they say that the product has not been proven yet. So instead, gov and big 3 oil companies (and big car manufacturers) agreed to test the product and formulate a standard locally. Now shell has reason to be angry at gov for not following the agreed test protocols (what ever that may be) by submitting the product to US DoEs NREL.(see article below.) And so senbel, chemrez and ir chemls market their expensive product without a clear standard. Talk about talking to the wrong people. Big 3 cheml company say product is good to make sales. Big 3 oil company say product is bad because if it were good they will have to market less of their fuel therefore less sales. Regards I-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ike aguilar Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:35 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila hi to all i'm just wondering how the gov. approved to use the the biofuels without setting up with a standard, i,m really confused about this. Heres an article from Manila Bulletin DoE defies test protocols on CME By MYRNA M. VELASCO While they are chastised for not being receptive of the introduction of coco methyl ester (CME) as a blend to diesel products, the countrys giant oil companies have turned the table on the Department of Energy (DoE), noting that the latter defied test protocols earlier agreed upon to test the viability of the product. We have aired our concern that before we can accept CME as additive to our diesel, the product should undergo all series of tests, and all related infrastructure should also be addressed, one of the big oil companies stressed. The oil firms have also aired their concern about storage facility for the fuel since their depots in Pandacan have already been significantly scaled down. Another infrastructure-related problem they have reportedly brought up with the government is if the CME manufacturer would be willing to put up a pipeline so that the product could be dispatched directly at their depots. None of these has been addressed by DoE, they whined, noting that instead of talking to them, the latter preferred to take refuge by submitting the product for testing by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), an attached agency of the US Department of Energy. The oil firms have clarified that they do not have any objection about third party testing for the CME; but they emphasized that the test protocols they have proposed are the same process that the government sought with NREL. It would be recalled that the Philippine energy department engaged the help of its American counterpart agency in its bid to promote CME as alternative fuel for public transport in the country. It has been taken as part of the US governments commitment to help the Philippines in exploring and promoting alternative fuels that will not just generate cash savings; but will also cut down greenhouse gas emissions. In an interview with US-DoE officials in March, they have revealed that the Philippine CME testing may take an extension of three to four months, to better assess the stability of properties of the fuel and to ensure that it would not tear down or cause some corrosion in the engines when already used massively in vehicles. Due to some questions on its technical suitability to existing vehicle engines and other concerns such as on storage, the energy department claimed that it was prompted to seek an independent testing of the fuel; aside from the one that has already been undertaken by the Philippine Council for Industry Energy Research Development (PCIERD) of the Department of Science and Technology. CME is a substance derived from coconut oil. Based on technical tests, it was found viable to be used as a diesel additive or blend. DoE noted that further studies have shown that the use of CME as an additive or enhancer to diesel results in better combustion, less emission and more engine power to the vehicle. The guidelines for the promotion of CME as alternative fuel laid down by the DoE; as has been prescribed by Memorandum Circular 55 issued by Malacanang last year. As set out in the National CME Diesel Program, government offices are initially required to use 1.0-percent CME-blend in their diesel needs. DoE, being the lead implementing agency, has been required to coordinate with various government agencies and private sector
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Hi Patrick, Its not that the government is not strict about standards. The government doesnt have a standard in the first place. The government with all its manpower (which we pay for with our taxes) cannot or would not make a standard of its own. Take biodiesel for example, I tried contacting DoE about our governments standard but have not receive any concrete answer. And yet Senbel other two big chemical companies are already marketing their expensive biodiesel additive. They are dictated by big business or by the highest bidder. A pamphlet posted on DoEs website says that biodiesel cannot be made by cooperatives or such. Guess who they got the pamphlet from? From who else but Senbel. Regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Anthony Opaco Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:25 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Hi All, Thanks for the replies... The reason why I'm a little bit hesitant is well mainly because the info drive here in Manila is not that good and second some unscrupulous business men before are selling unleaded gas (prior to E10) that has water in it. That's a real bummer but now they are at the hands of the law. Probably I'll continue using E10 at my old car and will just fill my new car if the masses here would start patronizing E10, coz most of the time the gas station that I bought E10 doesn't have that much customers compared to the gas stations of Shell, Caltex (Chevron Texaco in the US) and Petron (a local venture that has a saudi partner). It's good to know that a lot of people around the world are using E10/E85, it's just that the standards here in the Philippines are not that strict. Like for example when you manufacture Ethanol, you guys there in the commercial level applies strict standards to ensure that the product you're selling is really good right? Here in the Philippines doesn't gothat way. The issue I think here is more of the consumers confidence towards Ethanol because as I've said the standards here are not that super strict compared to for example the US. To Ramon - E10 is 10% Ethanol blend and 90% unleaded gasoline. I don't do the mixing, I buy it from one of the minor oil players here. The major players (Shell, Caltex and Petron) don't carry yet Ethanol in their products. By the way guys, how about the computer that is controlling the fuel system orwhatever you callthat... fuel intake of your car? That won't be messed up right if filling up E10? So to sum it all, E10 is just your ordinary unleaded fuel provided that strict measures/standards are enforced in manufacturing the said fuel? Regards, Patrick ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] FW: biodiesel in the Philippines
To Tanuki, You might want to contact Angelito Aboag. -Original Message- From: Angelito Abaoag [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:53 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] start-up biodiesel project good day to all I've been reading all comments and inquiries to this group for the last 4 months. and thru the comments i learned a lot. we are currently conducting a feasibility of converting the high-fat waste by-products of slaughterhouse here in Manila, Philippines to a biodiesel. our estimate waste generation per day is around 5 tons. we are currently designing the conversion model pattern after several designs i got from several internet sites. my questions are 1) which is more feasible to create, a big unit or several units? in terms of safety, economics, etc and 2) we intend to use the diesel are fuel for generators rather than to cars, is it a wise choice? thank you lito abaoag eco-logic ventures inc manila, philippines Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Anthony Opaco Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:33 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel in the Philippines Hi Tanuki, You may want to partner with Seaoil Philippines. They are a minor oil player here. I don't think there's someone who's doing homebrewing let me just put it this way.. I feel that majority of the biodiesel users here in the Philippines buy their brew at the gas station (Seaoil, Flying V).. Probably some do homebrewing Regards, Patrick On 9/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to link up with people in the Philippines who are interested in the small scale biodiesel production.Had previously posted here because I noted a spot of Filipinos responding here.Anyone doing homebrewing in the Philippines? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- This is my email for mailing list purposes only. If you want to send a personal message to me please send it to anton.opaco AT gmail.com a href="" href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=20532amp;t=1">http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=20532amp;t=1 Get Firefox!/a ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila
Sorry guys but I'm referring to the Philippine DoE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:10 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila I don't know how much I would trust the DOE for certain things anyway... I trust that their historical data on energy is accurate, but the predictions, not so much. Have you looked at what they project the price of a barrel of oil to be in 15 years? Somewhere around $25. I suspect there is a certain amount of don't rock the boat mentality there.We've seen this mentality in the EPA, CIA, FBI, and other places, so why should we expect the DOE to be any different? I've worked for DOE, and to publish anything with it's name on it, you have to go through 20 levels of review -- the top ones which are often political appointees, and have an interest in not alarming the public, even if their scientists and researchers say there is a good chance that they should be scared. Zeke On 9/23/05, Leon Hulett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris and Patrick, I agree on your standards issue, the government can't make a standard. One time I searched and searched for the government's definition of standard. I couldn't find it and they said try ISO. I found that ISO doesn't mean standards it is a word in itself. To me a standard is a definite level of quality suitable for a specific defined purpose. I certainly didn't find anything like that. Maybe they finally filled in the blank somewheres. I took issue with the definition of food as well and wrote up something on that, but I don't think mine went over that well, it allowed vitamins and minerals in the definition. Leon - Original Message - From: Chris Tan To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: 9/23/05 11:09:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Hi Patrick, It's not that the government is not strict about standards. The government doesn't have a standard in the first place. The government with all its manpower (which we pay for with our taxes) cannot or would not make a standard of its own. Take biodiesel for example, I tried contacting DoE about our government's standard but have not receive any concrete answer. And yet Senbel other two big chemical companies are already marketing their expensive biodiesel additive. They are dictated by big business or by the highest bidder. A pamphlet posted on DoE's website says that biodiesel cannot be made by cooperatives or such. Guess who they got the pamphlet from? From who else but Senbel. Regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Anthony Opaco Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:25 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E10 experience here in Manila Hi All, Thanks for the replies... The reason why I'm a little bit hesitant is well mainly because the info drive here in Manila is not that good and second some unscrupulous business men before are selling unleaded gas (prior to E10) that has water in it. That's a real bummer but now they are at the hands of the law. Probably I'll continue using E10 at my old car and will just fill my new car if the masses here would start patronizing E10, coz most of the time the gas station that I bought E10 doesn't have that much customers compared to the gas stations of Shell, Caltex (Chevron Texaco in the US) and Petron (a local venture that has a saudi partner). It's good to know that a lot of people around the world are using E10/E85, it's just that the standards here in the Philippines are not that strict. Like for example when you manufacture Ethanol, you guys there in the commercial level applies strict standards to ensure that the product you're selling is really good right? Here in the Philippines doesn't go that way. The issue I think here is more of the consumers confidence towards Ethanol because as I've said the standards here are not that super strict compared to for example the US. To Ramon - E10 is 10% Ethanol blend and 90% unleaded gasoline. I don't do the mixing, I buy it from one of the minor oil players here. The major players (Shell, Caltex and Petron) don't carry yet Ethanol in their products. By the way guys, how about the computer that is controlling the fuel system or whatever you call that... fuel intake of your car? That won't be messed up right if filling up E10? So to sum it all, E10 is just your ordinary unleaded fuel provided that strict measures/standards are enforced in manufacturing the said fuel? Regards, Patrick ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http
[Biofuel] Titration
Dear all, Need help in this process. I have read about this procedure and followed it exactly as it said in the JTF. I even bought a digital pH meter to make my life easier but this proved otherwise. Putting the pH meter into oil the reading does not stop moving, it take minutes to accertain whether the pH meter has stopped at a correct reading. Thereafter, when we titrate it, the pH meter goes wild again. Is there any better way to read the pH. I think all my titration results is as wild as the pH meter's reading and that will make my process wild as well. I am trying to get the pH reading at 7 +_ 0.5 From what I read, this should not give us too much of a problem. Right? Any other suggestion on this titration process? Jeff _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Using plastic pails
Dear all, A quick queston. Is it okay to use plastic pails I find around my house to built the reactor tank, and other tanks for the biodiesel process instead of stainless steel? It is some much cheaper and easier to work with plastics. Will there be unforseen problems with this? Thanks guys. Jeff _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biomass to Biodiesel
Dear all, I came across an article regarding an (East) Europe or (old) Rusia company that has been using biomass (wood chippings if not mistaken) for producing Biodiesel for as far as they can remember. Does anyone know the name and location of this company, as I cannot remember where I came across this. Thanks Jeff _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Quality Test
Jan, Thanks for the tip. We tried it and without stirring, there were clear yellow deposit on the bottom. The biodiesel did not disolve fully in the methanol like you said. So does this mean the next time I do another batch, I have to increase the methanol to the sodium? Any suggestion? Jeff From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Quality Test Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:51:02 +0200 Hello Jeffery. The test method that you are using seems to me highly dubious, since there are a number of pre-assumptions that has to be met. For a further check I´d suggest this: Take exactly 25 ml of biodiesel and dissolve it in exactly 225 ml of methanol in a measuring glass. Now: The biodiesel should be fully soluble in the methanol forming a clear bright phase. If not, there is pollution in the biodiesel causing you trouble with the water test. Each ml of undissolved material is corresponding to 4% by volume. Are there any undissolved material at the bottom of the measuring glass ? If there is, your reaction is not complete and this is causing you trouble with the water test. This method does not cover every aspect of quality, but it gives a hint though Good luck to you Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Jeffrey Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Quality Test Hello all. Need some explanation and advise here on my experiments please. I have been using virgin cooking palm oil for the experiments. When following the steps for checking on quality, I put in 150ml of de ionised battery water and 150ml of the biodiesel obtained but the end result was clear yellowish liquid on top and white emulsion like on the bottom. I have done 3 different batches with the same result. My further reading and guess is either the NaOH is too much/little or the methanol is too much/little. My next step will probably to increase the methanol from 200ml to 400ml (my batches are in 1 liter of new oil). Any comments or suggestions from the gurus out there? Can I continue with the bubble washing process with the above 3 test batches? Jeff _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Quality Test
Hello all. Need some explanation and advise here on my experiments please. I have been using virgin cooking palm oil for the experiments. When following the steps for checking on quality, I put in 150ml of de ionised battery water and 150ml of the biodiesel obtained but the end result was clear yellowish liquid on top and white emulsion like on the bottom. I have done 3 different batches with the same result. My further reading and guess is either the NaOH is too much/little or the methanol is too much/little. My next step will probably to increase the methanol from 200ml to 400ml (my batches are in 1 liter of new oil). Any comments or suggestions from the gurus out there? Can I continue with the bubble washing process with the above 3 test batches? Jeff _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] RE: jelly and jellybiofuel
HI there Pannirselvam, Interesting to note that jelly solid ethanol has the attention of the UN. Is there anywhere I can extract this literature? Thanks. Jeff MALAYSIA From: Pannirselvam P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] RE: jelly and jellybiofuel Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:22:32 -0300 Hi D Giorchino The mess you have made can be a new dicovery of solid biofuel . jelly solid ethanol has good market as the future biofuel for rural areas as identified by UN. Try to acess about the possbility of mixing your mess with ethanol jelly fuel.Thus the big problem of disposing the mess can be an aportunity to make business. Fell free to have help from this list as all here very good experts Yours truely Pannirselvam P.V Federal university ,Natal.RN Brasil On 8/7/05, DERICK GIORCHINO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith More Thanks for you response. I tried the world famous chop stick titration technique. Wow what a difference in my titration #. I did a 1 ltr test in a soda bottle, with excellent result almost instantly. But here is where I got into trouble. The next batch was 20 liters I had some methoxide mixed from a prior batch that was also a failure and I couldn't figure what to do with the toxic mix so I tried to dilute it to 10 g.p. liter. I did my mixing of the 20 liters. As it cooled it turned into what looks like lard. I felt that I may have overdosed it. So I then took some test bottles and put 20% failure oil and 75% fresh wvo set it in the sun to melt/ liquefy. (105 deg F) shook it hard also a 50/50 mix in the hot state it seamed to separate better 25/75 than the 50/50 but as the sun went down and it cooled the 25/75 started to jell and the glycerol layer vanished but the 50/50 looked much better with a glycerol layer jelled at the bottom. I m not asking for a fix. But is the jelly a typical sign of over dosing? I have a problem with disposing of the mess I have made if there is a way to salvage it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:58 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: RE: [Biofuel] RE: Phenolphthalein solution Hi Derick May be there is some help for me out there. I have made lots and lots of test batches. Most of them bad not good. One border line. And one 15 gal batch with fairly good results. I have used all the options given for titration in the J.T. Forever. Test strips work ... poorly, if at all, and are not recommended by JtF. but after introducing it to the mix I find if I need to add more solution the color will not change so I need to add strip after strip as I add the solution accuracy is probably off by the time I get done P.H. meter a good one I found to be about the same pH meters work well, especially if it's a good one, you shouldn't be having problems. and I have used phenolphthalein and get excellent response but im no chemist Very few of us are. can anyone tell me how much phenolphthalein to use on the test I have been using 2 drops @ 1% phenolphthalein. The instructions from J.T.F say use 1% phenolphthalein solution (1.0w/v%). If you can please help. Thanks Derick You say: The instructions from J.T.F say use 1% phenolphthalein solution (1.0w/v%). The instructions at JtF say: Add 2 drops of phenolphthalein solution. Dissolve 1 gm of lye in 1 litre of distilled water (0.1% w/v lye solution). In a smaller beaker, dissolve 1 ml of the cooled oil in 10 ml of pure isopropyl alcohol. Warm the beaker gently by standing it in some hot water, stir until all the oil dissolves in the alcohol and turns clear. Add 2 drops of phenolphthalein solution. Using a graduated syringe, add 0.1% lye solution drop by drop to the oil-alcohol-phenolphthalein solution, stirring all the time, until the solution starts to turn pink and stays that way for 10 seconds. -- From: Biodiesel from waste oil http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#biodwvo See also: More about lye How much lye to use? Basic titration Better titration Accurate measurements pH meters Phenolphthalein pH meters vs phenolphthalein http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye Are your scales, measuring equipment and measuring techniques up to scratch? Best wishes Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Probst, Peter Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:44 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] RE: Phenolphthalein solution Thanks to all who provided sources and altarnatives for the phenolphthalein! Now I can start using the 75+ gallons of WVO that's been sitting around my garage. Pete ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
RE: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser
Thanks, Martin. My thoughts also. Regards, chris -Original Message- From: Martin Klingensmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:07 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser Tan wrote: Fred, Actually, I have been contemplating on this for quite a long time. I have been studying Dale Scroggin's processor which has a vacuum pump in it. (http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html). His schematics (http://home.swbell.net/scrof/procdraw.htm) indicate that the vacuum pump is connected at the end of the vapor line--process tank, condenser, alcohol trap then vacuum pump. But, my concern is since the pump is connected at the end of the line, the alcohol trap is also subjected to vacuum and so considerable alcohol will be re-vaporized and lost to the atmosphere. To minimize alcohol lost, I am thinking that the vacuum pump must be situated before the condenser--process tank, vacuum pump, condenser then liquid trap. I believe the goal may have been to prevent alcohol vapor from going through the vacuum pump. If I were going to build a processor like this, I would add a bubbler full of water after the liquid trap, further cleansing the gas stream of any alcohol vapors. In this setup only the process tank is subjected to vacuum. The condenser and the liquid trap would have a higher pressure, which is conducive to condensation, by constricting the liquid trap air outlet. A totally close condenser system is, I think, close to impossible since the vapor other than alcohol pumped from the processor must go somewhere. A closed system is ideal, and like all ideal things - not possible. With a good condensor [kept cold] the vacuum pump wouldn't have to pull much more than the volume of the alcohol. By the time gas reaches the outlet, the alcohol should have been condensed due to lowered temperature leaving us with just gas (other than alcohol). The velocity of the gas will be diminished as it enters the liquid trap due to its bigger cavity (Bernoulli's principle), thus there is less possibility that the alcohol recovered will be re-vaporized and escape into the air. The recovered alcohol should be kept as cold as possible while it is under the vacuum. If it is kept at the same temperature as the condensor only a small amount should evaporate. I'm sure you know this, I'm just adding comments. How does this sound? good -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser
Thanks, Robert. I'll check JTF again. I'll fill you in once I finally get around experimenting with the idea. Regards, chris =-Original Message- =From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:55 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser = = = = =Tan wrote: = = Can anyone give me an opinion about this? = = Would a vacuum pump from a car (the vacuum pump attached to the =alternator = and the breaks' master cylinder) do for alcohol recovery? = =Most cars use engine vacuum to run the power brakes. I have seen =vacuum pumps on diesel powered vehicles, but these are not that common =in the junkyards around here. = =As for alcohol recovery, I've never done this, so I can't comment. =Since this is the second time you've posted this message, I figured =somebody should say SOMETHING about it. Have you checked the biodiesel =resource pages at Journey to Forever? = =robert luis rabello =The Edge of Justice =Adventure for Your Mind =http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser
Fred, Actually, I have been contemplating on this for quite a long time. I have been studying Dale Scroggin's processor which has a vacuum pump in it. (http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html). His schematics (http://home.swbell.net/scrof/procdraw.htm) indicate that the vacuum pump is connected at the end of the vapor line--process tank, condenser, alcohol trap then vacuum pump. But, my concern is since the pump is connected at the end of the line, the alcohol trap is also subjected to vacuum and so considerable alcohol will be re-vaporized and lost to the atmosphere. To minimize alcohol lost, I am thinking that the vacuum pump must be situated before the condenser--process tank, vacuum pump, condenser then liquid trap. In this setup only the process tank is subjected to vacuum. The condenser and the liquid trap would have a higher pressure, which is conducive to condensation, by constricting the liquid trap air outlet. A totally close condenser system is, I think, close to impossible since the vapor other than alcohol pumped from the processor must go somewhere. By the time gas reaches the outlet, the alcohol should have been condensed due to lowered temperature leaving us with just gas (other than alcohol). The velocity of the gas will be diminished as it enters the liquid trap due to its bigger cavity (Bernoulli's principle), thus there is less possibility that the alcohol recovered will be re-vaporized and escape into the air. How does this sound? Regards, Chris =-Original Message- =From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:10 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser = = =Hi =I've been wrestling with this one for a while and I don't see an easy =answer. =I think: = a vacuum pump is not what you need, your condenser needs to empty =into a well, and since this needs to be a closed system so the alcohol =doesn't go evaporating off into the atmosphere. You need to maintain a =level in the well with a positive displacement pump that is driven by a =control circuit which maintains a prescribed Temperature/vacuum =pressure at the top of the reactor/condenser, = =Fred = =On Sunday, May 2, 2004, at 17:26 US/Eastern, Tan wrote: = = Can anyone give me an opinion about this? = = Would a vacuum pump from a car (the vacuum pump attached to the = alternator = and the breaks' master cylinder) do for alcohol recovery? = = Thanks, = Chris = = = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor = -~-- = Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark = Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US = Canada. = http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 = http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM = - = ~- = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = Biofuels list archives: = http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = = = =And some run up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stones =to pieces wi' hammers, like so many road makers run daft. =They say it is to see how the world was made. =Sir Walter Scott, St. Ronan's Well 1824 = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: (fwd) (fwd) First day driving the ACPropulsion car
That sounds like a babington burner. Is it, Charles? Regards, chris =-Original Message- =From: Ed Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:37 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: (fwd) (fwd) First day driving the =ACPropulsion car = = =Your heater sound great, maybe you could post the plans(?). =Thanks, =Ed = = =From: charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] =Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: [biofuel] Re: (fwd) (fwd) First day driving the ACPropulsion car =Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 13:24:30 - = =good solutions to our energy problems tend to leave out big =brother,big business,big oil and big daddy bush. just think how much =good it would do if all our soldiers came back to the u.s. and =converted 1 diesel engine a day to run on free used cooking oil, =like my 83 nissan diesel truck does.being ex 101st airborne, i am =sure all the soldiers could be taught how to do it, and most of them =would enjoy it.but running on cooking oil is good for the =environment, and nobody makes a profit, except the poor old greasy =guy who converts his vehicle to save money and the air his kids will =breath. sure, a few people make some money, selling conversion =parts, but there is no HUGE profit margin for anyone, except that =greasy guy again, goin on grease. also, my little waste cooking oil =heater/jet blasts hot eneough to melt aluminum and heat a =gymnasium.2 hours of high heat,with an input of a 30 second run on a =cheap 12volt air compressor, and less than 1 liter of free used =cooking oil(actually the smaller one will heat most houses, and gets =8 hrs on 2 liters of oil). i actually melted a hole in my copper =vaporizor coil the other day on the big one, so i have to rebuild it =using steel now.big brother and big business could never profit off =the fuel or the parts,though, so i doubt you will ever see this unit =at home depot or lowes. = = = =_ =MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ö FREE =download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation
Hmm...that's a mystery. I must repeat my experiment. Thanks, Todd. Regards, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:35 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = =Chris, = =Never. = =Don't see how it can happen as the acid is what cleaves the metal =(sodium or =potassium) molecule from the soap and liberates the FFAs. = =Todd Swearingen = =- Original Message - =From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: Biofuel biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:12 PM =Subject: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = = Todd: = = I went back to JTF to find that I missed the picture of glycerine =separation = with phosphoric acid. I know now what the glycerine layer should look =like. = BUT, I still have a question. I got the ffa's and glycerine to separate =but = I did not get any precipitation. Why is that? Have you encountered a =similar = result? = = Thanks, = = Chris = = - Original Message - = From: Tan = To: Biofuel = Subject: Glycerine Separation = Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:09 PM = = = Hi! Can anyone describe the color of the glycerine-methanol layer after = treatment with phosphoric acid? According to JTF, it's sherry colored. =Could = you elaborate more? Is that dark sherry or yellow sherry? = = Thanks, = = Chris = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = Biofuels list archives: = http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation
It's JTF-Journey To Forever. Please do send me a copy of the method you recommend. My email address is bellow. Thanks, Chris =-Original Message- =From: mohamed hassan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:47 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: RE: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = =hi there i have not used sulphuric asid as the method =in the britch standard recoment a spesific method i =can send to you as an attach if you want =PS what is TJF??? = =M Hassan = =--- Tan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Hmm...that's a mystery. I must repeat my experiment. = Thanks, Todd. = = Regards, = Chris = = =-Original Message- = =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:35 PM = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = = = = =Chris, = = = =Never. = = = =Don't see how it can happen as the acid is what = cleaves the metal = =(sodium or = =potassium) molecule from the soap and liberates = the FFAs. = = = =Todd Swearingen = = = =- Original Message - = =From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =To: Biofuel biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:12 PM = =Subject: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = = = = = Todd: = = = = I went back to JTF to find that I missed the = picture of glycerine = =separation = = with phosphoric acid. I know now what the = glycerine layer should look = =like. = = BUT, I still have a question. I got the ffa's = and glycerine to separate = =but = = I did not get any precipitation. Why is that? = Have you encountered a = =similar = = result? = = = = Thanks, = = = = Chris = = = = - Original Message - = = From: Tan = = To: Biofuel = = Subject: Glycerine Separation = = Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:09 PM = = = = = = Hi! Can anyone describe the color of the = glycerine-methanol layer after = = treatment with phosphoric acid? According to = JTF, it's sherry colored. = =Could = = you elaborate more? Is that dark sherry or = yellow sherry? = = = = Thanks, = = = = Chris = = = = = = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = = = Biofuels list archives: = = http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = = = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the = list address. = = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = = =Biofuels list archives: = =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = = = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the = list address. = =To unsubscribe, send an email to: = =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =__ =Do you Yahoo!? =Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs =http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation
Todd: I went back to JTF to find that I missed the picture of glycerine separation with phosphoric acid. I know now what the glycerine layer should look like. BUT, I still have a question. I got the ffa's and glycerine to separate but I did not get any precipitation. Why is that? Have you encountered a similar result? Thanks, Chris - Original Message - From: Tan To: Biofuel Subject: Glycerine Separation Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:09 PM Hi! Can anyone describe the color of the glycerine-methanol layer after treatment with phosphoric acid? According to JTF, it's sherry colored. Could you elaborate more? Is that dark sherry or yellow sherry? Thanks, Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: Vacuum Pump for Condenser
Can anyone give me an opinion about this? Would a vacuum pump from a car (the vacuum pump attached to the alternator and the breaks' master cylinder) do for alcohol recovery? Thanks, Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Glycerine Separation
Hi! Can anyone describe the color of the glycerine-methanol layer after treatment with phosphoric acid? According to JTF, it's sherry colored. Could you elaborate more? Is that dark sherry or yellow sherry? Thanks, Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder
Thanks Todd, Bob and All. chris =-Original Message- =From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:21 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = =sodium methoxide, NaOCH3 is a dry power commercially available, but =expensive. the advantage is that it is dry in the sense that there is =no water at all. sodium methoxide made by combining NaOH and CH3OH =results in the formation of one equivalent of water: = =NaOH + CH3OH --- H2O + NaOCH3 = = Also the NaOH is not anhydrous, rather it contains about 10 to 15 =percent water. = =So, add NaOH to methanol and you form some water which will limit the =yield slightly. = = = =Appal Energy wrote: = = = Papers that refer to a dry sodium methoxide being used for = transesterifications? = = Found a sodium methoxide / sodium methylate MSDS sheet as well. = http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m2028.htm = = But I'd tend to believe that alcohol would still need to be =added to achieve = your reaction due to the low molar mass of the methyl- fraction. = = I suppose that it might give another option were there a =drought of KOH or = NaOH, or maybe even some other benefits as yet unknown. = = Might be worth toying with. = = Todd Swearingen = = - Original Message - = From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:34 PM = Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = = =Papers such as Canaki's refer to a sodium methoxide catalyst apart from = = the = =sodium hydroxide in methanol mixture. I came across a MSDS of sodium =methoxide in powder form. Could this be the same methoxide they are =referring to in the papers? = =Thanks, =chris = ==-Original Message- ==From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:37 AM ==To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com ==Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder == == ==Methoxide powder? == ==Methoxide is a solution of methanol and catalyst. To create a powder = = you'd = ==have to remove the methanol (meth-), which puts you right back where = = you = ==began with the dry catalyst (-oxide). == ==And then what? == == Todd Swearingen == ==- Original Message - ==From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com ==Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:04 AM ==Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder == == == Todd: == == Have you ever tried using methoxide powder? How does is perform? == == Thanks, == chris == == =-Original Message- == =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] == =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:56 AM == =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com == =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage == = == = == =Yup. Couple of weeks or so at least in an airtight container. == = == =It'll last as long as any other stock solution. == = == =It's also a good way to prepare for a series of tests, one ==concentrated == =solution that can be diluted with alcohol to the desired =molarity. == = == =Todd Swearingen == = == =- Original Message - == =From: lovemydiesel2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] == =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com == =Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:32 AM == =Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage == = == = == = Here is a question that I have not seen posted. Can the =methoxide, == = once mixed, be stored for any length of time? As in can =I make up == = several batches and have it sitting waiting to be used or is it == = necessary to use as you go? == = == = Thanks == = == = == = == = == = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: == = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html == = == = Biofuels list archives: == = http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ == = == = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. == = To unsubscribe, send an email to: == = [EMAIL PROTECTED] == = Yahoo! Groups Links == = == = == = == = == = == = == = == = == = == = == =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: == =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html == = == =Biofuels list archives: == =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ == = == =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. == =To unsubscribe, send an email to: == =[EMAIL PROTECTED] == =Yahoo! Groups Links == = == = == = == = == = == == == == == Biofuel at Journey to Forever: == http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html == == Biofuels list archives: == http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ == == Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. == To unsubscribe, send an email to: == [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Yahoo! Groups Links == == == == == == == == == ==Biofuel at Journey to Forever: ==http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html == ==Biofuels list archives: ==http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ == ==Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. ==To unsubscribe, send an email to: ==[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==Yahoo! Groups Links == == == == == = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send
RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder
Hi Tom, I don't see their reason to say that sodium methoxide will be more effective. The H20 produced from the reaction of sodium hydroxide with methanol is actually needed in transesterification. Water provides the H+ needed to replace the fatty acid chain on glycerol. Assuming that you've limit the contamination of water from other sources, the traditional way, I believe, is just as effective. Regards, chris =-Original Message- =From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 2:22 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = =Sodium methoxide powder is available from Degussa AG =379 Interpace Parkway =PO Box 677 Parsippany, NJ 07054 =www.finechemicals.de = =These folks were pushing this product at the National Biodiesel Board =conference held Feb 1-4, 2004. I talked with them a while, and =they say it is cost =effective since one requires a lot less of the chemical, about =1/4 as much. I'm =not sure I understood the reasons, something to do with the lack =of water that =is a significant contaminant in the homemade methoxide. Water is the =byproduct of the dissolution of lye in methanol to make a new =chemical: sodium =methoxide, and water is the enemy of a good biodiesel reaction. = =I haven't had the pleasure of working with this chemical. Its =less flammable =and dangerous than that site made stuff. That site stuff can be rather =dangerous, you know. It is also available from Kodak and some =other chemical supply =houses, but this Degussa is promoting it especially for =biodiesel. They have a =fancy booklet on this, dated January 2004, so they believe it =will be adopted =by some big biodiesel producers, and is apparently a main part of several =processors in Europe. = =Tom Leue = = = =In a message dated 4/7/04 9:00:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: = = = Methoxide usually comes premixed with methanol, either 25% or 30%. = = Ethan = = = -Original Message- = From:Ê Ê Appal Energy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Sent:Ê Ê Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:57 AM = To:Ê Ê biofuel@yahoogroups.com = Subject:Ê Ê Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = Papers that refer to a dry sodium methoxide being used for = transesterifications? = = Found a sodium methoxide / sodium methylate MSDS sheet as well. = http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m2028.htm = = But I'd tend to believe that alcohol would still need to be =added to achieve = your reaction due to the low molar mass of the methyl- fraction. = = I suppose that it might give another option were there a =drought of KOH or = NaOH, or maybe even some other benefits as yet unknown. = = Might be worth toying with. = = Todd Swearingen = = - Original Message - = From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:34 PM = Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = = Papers such as Canaki's refer to a sodium methoxide catalyst =apart from = the = sodium hydroxide in methanol mixture. I came across a MSDS of sodium = methoxide in powder form. Could this be the same methoxide they are = referring to in the papers? = = Thanks, = chris = = =-Original Message- = =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:37 AM = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = = = = =Methoxide powder? = = = =Methoxide is a solution of methanol and catalyst. To create a powder = you'd = =have to remove the methanol (meth-), which puts you right =back where = you = =began with the dry catalyst (-oxide). = = = =And then what? = = = = Todd Swearingen = = = =- Original Message - = =From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:04 AM = =Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = = = = = Todd: = = = = Have you ever tried using methoxide powder? How does is perform? = = = = Thanks, = = chris = = = = =-Original Message- = = =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = = =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:56 AM = = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = = =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage = = = = = = = = =Yup. Couple of weeks or so at least in an airtight container. = = = = = =It'll last as long as any other stock solution. = = = = = =It's also a good way to prepare for a series of tests, one = =concentrated = = =solution that can be diluted with alcohol to the =desired molarity. = = = = = =Todd Swearingen = = = = = =- Original Message - = = =From: lovemydiesel2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = = =Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:32 AM = = =Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage = = = = = = = = = Here is a question that I have not seen posted. Can =the methoxide, = = = once mixed, be stored for any length of time? As in =can I make up = = = several batches and have it sitting waiting to be =used or is it = = = necessary to use as you go
RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder
Papers such as Canaki's refer to a sodium methoxide catalyst apart from the sodium hydroxide in methanol mixture. I came across a MSDS of sodium methoxide in powder form. Could this be the same methoxide they are referring to in the papers? Thanks, chris =-Original Message- =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:37 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = =Methoxide powder? = =Methoxide is a solution of methanol and catalyst. To create a powder you'd =have to remove the methanol (meth-), which puts you right back where you =began with the dry catalyst (-oxide). = =And then what? = = Todd Swearingen = =- Original Message - =From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:04 AM =Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = = Todd: = = Have you ever tried using methoxide powder? How does is perform? = = Thanks, = chris = = =-Original Message- = =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:56 AM = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage = = = = = =Yup. Couple of weeks or so at least in an airtight container. = = = =It'll last as long as any other stock solution. = = = =It's also a good way to prepare for a series of tests, one =concentrated = =solution that can be diluted with alcohol to the desired molarity. = = = =Todd Swearingen = = = =- Original Message - = =From: lovemydiesel2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:32 AM = =Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage = = = = = = Here is a question that I have not seen posted. Can the methoxide, = = once mixed, be stored for any length of time? As in can I make up = = several batches and have it sitting waiting to be used or is it = = necessary to use as you go? = = = = Thanks = = = = = = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = = = Biofuels list archives: = = http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = = = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. = = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = = =Biofuels list archives: = =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = = = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. = =To unsubscribe, send an email to: = =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = Biofuels list archives: = http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder
Todd: Have you ever tried using methoxide powder? How does is perform? Thanks, chris =-Original Message- =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:56 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage = = =Yup. Couple of weeks or so at least in an airtight container. = =It'll last as long as any other stock solution. = =It's also a good way to prepare for a series of tests, one concentrated =solution that can be diluted with alcohol to the desired molarity. = =Todd Swearingen = =- Original Message - =From: lovemydiesel2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:32 AM =Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage = = = Here is a question that I have not seen posted. Can the methoxide, = once mixed, be stored for any length of time? As in can I make up = several batches and have it sitting waiting to be used or is it = necessary to use as you go? = = Thanks = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = Biofuels list archives: = http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] (unknown)
Thanks, Mark. I thought so too. Best, chris =-Original Message- =From: girl_mark_fire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:53 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: [biofuel] (unknown) = = =I don 't think you can get it for free on the 'net, but it's in an =AOCS-published book on 'testing of fats and oils'. University =libraries might have it (sorry I don 't have the title of the book) = =mark = =--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] =wrote: = HI! Can anyone point me to the direction where i can download =a copy of the = procedures of Total, Free and Combined Glycerol =Iodometric-Periodic Acid = Method or AOCA official Ca 14-56. I would sure appreciate it. = = Thanks, = chris = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel]
HI! Can anyone point me to the direction where i can download a copy of the procedures of Total, Free and Combined Glycerol Iodometric-Periodic Acid Method or AOCA official Ca 14-56. I would sure appreciate it. Thanks, chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] How true?
I wouldn't say its superior to soya. If you were living in the US or anywhere else that has a colder climate cocodiesel will perform poorly as it has a higher cloud point. This property is inherent in coconut oil because of the saturated long chain fatty acids. What does your company do? regards, Chris =-Original Message- =From: entrephil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:46 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: [biofuel] How true? = = =Hello to all. I would like to ask if this is true. = =Coco-diesel of Philippines is more superior than soya-diesel of US =and rapeseed-diesel of Europe. = =Thanks and regards. = =Romy-ENTREPhil = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Can I please get some help ?
Your probably has too much water in it. This is also the result I got when I tried the process with oil that was not heated to remove the water. =-Original Message- =From: Pieter Koole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:42 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: [biofuel] Can I please get some help ? = = =Hi all. =Yesterday and today I made my first batch of BD using the =foolproof method. =Neither in the acid stage, nor in the second stage any separation occured. =The methanol is floating on the top and the whole lot looks like =coffee with =too much milk in it. =At the bottom I find some salt, which is probably NaOH. =The oil I used is a very good quality, almost SVO. =What have I done wrong ? =I couln't get the temperature higher than 35¡ C. =I have tried to do it exactly as Aleks Kac writes on the site. = =Groeten, =Pieter =Netherlands. = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Equipment Building workshop, Santa Cruz, CA, April 10 and 11th
x-charset ISO-8859-1I won't be surprised if she's not aware. She's in the US and you're in the Philippines. Don't forget that we're global here. regards, ct =-Original Message- =From: Romy Miranda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:44 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Equipment Building workshop, Santa =Cruz, CA, April 10 and 11th = = =hi girl mark. are you aware of the biodiesel company? and =president arroyo signed a memorandum that all government vehicles =must use this product? any relation to that company? = =thanks. = =romy = =girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: =I'm running a biodiesel equipment building Intensive class two =days- April =10th and 11th, 10 am-5 pm, Santa Cruz. =To register and for location, please email me at =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =this is a hands-on class where we'll build: = =-A `fumeless' enclosed processor which can be converted to a =methanol recovery still. Parts cost is $120-$150 for this unit = =-A standpipe wash tank built out of a drum. Parts cost: $30 = =-A utility or mixing pump built out of a washing machine motor =and an automotive oil pump. Parts cost: $10 = =-A couple of methanol recovery condensors- a counterflow heat exchanger =cooled by water, and a coil-type condensor coil built with flare =fittings. =Parts cost: $20 or so. = =-A polyethylene tube 'aerator' for use with bubblewashing in place of =breakdown-prone aquarium air stones(parts cost: $5) = =-possibly a barrel-based reactor for those unable to find a cheap =electric =water heater = =-mistwashing equipment = =-pressure testing rig for equipment experiments = =-inline electric heater = = =In addition there will be a full discussion and a demonstration of =biodiesel equipment design parameters. The syllabus will cover: = =heating (including solar heating discussion) =pumps and material handling =agitation =separation =methanol recovery =heat exchangers and heat integration =washing techniques =secondary containment =materials compatibility with the processes used in biodiesel making =welded versus non-welded designs =reactor design that can be adapted to any style of tank =dewatering of oil and washed biodiesel =beginner 5-gallon reactor ideas =elementary wiring =elementary plumbing = =This is a two-day class and both discussion and equipment building will =take place both days. = =Those who wish to build their own equipment at this workshop =should get in =touch with me now to arrange parts availability (to prevent logistical =nightmare for me later in collecting all this complicated stuff). = = I can pick up all of the hardware, but you would have to =arrange your own =vehicle to pick up of your reactor or other large piece from the =workshop site. = =Bring a pipe wrench if you have one or other plumbing/wiring tools. = =Contact instructor by April 5th if you are interested in building =your own =unit at this workshop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =A general biodiesel instruction manual is also available for an =additional =$7 at the workshop = =For photos of the processor designs, please see: =www.veggieavenger.com/media = = = = = = = =[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = = = =- =Yahoo! Groups Links = = To visit your group on the web, go to: =http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ = = To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = = Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. = = = =- =Do you Yahoo!? =Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. = =[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
RE: [biofuel] pagans
x-charset Windows-1252I believe Islam came in somewhere between the old testament and the new testament. I read somewhere that Islam derived its teachings from the old testament with Mohamed proclaiming himself as God's one and only prophet thus the similarities of Islam with Judaism e.g. Passover and Ramadan. =-Original Message- =From: Alan Petrillo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:08 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] pagans = = =Curtis Sakima wrote: = = But doesn't the Jew historic line lead up to modern CHRISTIANITY?? = = Sumerian War-God --- Jews -- Judeo-CHRISTIANS??? = =But, if you follow the history back to its source, God first revealed =himself in the Sacred Flame to King Zoroaster, and Zoroastrianism is =noted, IIRC, as the first western monotheistic religion. So the family =tree looks something like = =Zoroastrianism -- Judaism -- Christianity = =With Islam popping up in the 7th century CE. I'm not sure where Islam =would fit in that family tree, but it is a descendant of Zoroastrianism. = = =AP = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
RE: [biofuel] biofuel from oil for a thesis
x-charset Windows-1252Your adviser don't happen to be Dr. Arco, isn't she? =-Original Message- =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:37 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] biofuel from oil for a thesis = = =I am a fourth year student from the University of the =Philippines and for my =thesis my adviser suggested making biodiesel and analysis of its =characteristics. We thought of using the procedure from the Philippine =Coconut Authority but when my adviser saw the Foolproof Method =outlined in =Journey to Forever, she said it was a better method. The =experiment will be =supervised by my thesis advisers; one of them specializes in organic =synthesis. = =The Foolproof Method acid-base process is about the best method =available, but it's an advanced method, as I said. It says this right =at the top: = =NOTE: The two-stage biodiesel processes are advanced methods, not =for novices -- learn the basics thoroughly first. The single-stage =base method is the place to start. Start here. =http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html =Foolproof biodiesel process: Journey to Forever = =Here being here: =Where do I start? =http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start = =Have you or your thesis adviser who specializes in organic synthesis =made biodiesel before? = =Keith Addison =Journey to Forever = = =michelle manglicmot wrote: = =I will be trying to make biofuel from coconut oil through the method =suggested in journey to forever. = =Which one? There are several, not all for novices. = = it was stated there that product will be =allowed to stand for 3 weeks. is it possible to cut short this time? = =Yes, after finishing the wash, try heating the biodiesel to 45 deg =C, if it goes cloudy again do it a second time, but it shouldn't go =cloudy after the first time - it would mean you should improve your =processing. You'll accomplish the same end in little more time =without using more energy for heating by letting it stand in the =sunshine for a while. = =But which process are you intending to use? Please give the url. = =Please note what it says about the stoichometric ratio of methanol =to coconut oil here: =http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html =How much methanol? = =Keith Addison =Journey to Forever = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
RE: [biofuel] pouring vs side bottom valve
Hi Paul: Why not just fill that extra volume with plastic resin or silicone or something? Chris =-Original Message- =From: Paul B.Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:04 AM =To: biodiesel lisst serve =Subject: [biofuel] pouring vs side bottom valve = = =I'm getting the basic setup together and thought I'd have some fun with =my 5 gallon bucket and fix a valve to the side on the bottom to pour out =the glycerol and then the biodiesel. I tried it with some water and =noticed that there is a THIN gap from the bottom of the outlet valve to =the bottom of the container (1/8 inch-ish). Some water did not pour out =and hence nor will all the glycerol that will form at the bottom of the =container. Is that going to be a problem? Even with an incline there =is going to be some glycerol that won't get out. How will this effect =the biodiesel I'm left with and is it really such an issue as there will =be so little? = =I've been reading the postings about building a washer to clean the =biodiesel and will get to that later, but for now, will I really gunk =things up with some of that glycerol? Do people just pour it out over =the top with a small five gallon bucket since it is so small and then =stop pouring when the glycerol is about to start pouring? I remember =there being a flurry of posts on not using the conical bottom containers =for some reason like this I believe and am curious as to what some folks =might be doing. Any thoughts? = =- Paul = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Yahoo! Groups Links = =To visit your group on the web, go to: = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ = =To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: = http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: BD in the RP (Used to be '2 stroke lubricant test procedures')
Dear Alex: I have been waiting for your answer to my question for quite some time now so I will ask again. What is our governments stand on bd as fuel for diesel engines? I know they have been promoting it but could anyone with the proper know-how just legally setup shop and make it for commercial use? Or, do we have a situation with the PHILCOA similar to that of the US EPA making things difficult for small manufacturers? I have heard of companies like Senbel selling bd for fuel in agreement with the government? How are they accountable? Regards, Chris Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: methanol recovery before separation
This may be a bit late. Mark, I believe that Todd based his statements on the Structural Theory and Le Chatelier's Principle. These are basic chemistry concepts that are not so basic to us. I am assuming that Todd has a great deal of background in chemistry or chemical engineering. Separation is not such a big problem if the transesterification is complete. I suggest separating or the glycerine layer from the ester and separately recover methanol. Chris -Original Message- From: skillshare [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: methanol recovery before separation I asked you what you based this information on, not asking you to just repeat it as fact. How do you know this? It contradicts some others' findings I believe. mark -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That portion of the reaction is in all practicality uni-directional. The energy required to attach a MeOH molecule to the fatty acid is considerably less than the energy required to re-attach the glycerol. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:06 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: methanol recovery before separation I'd like to know what you base this statement on. mark -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once the glycerol is cleaved it is out of the picture. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BD in the RP (Used to be '2 stroke lubricant test procedures')
Hi Alex: What is our governments stand on bd as fuel for diesel engines? I know they have been promoting it but could anyone with the proper know-how just legally setup shop and make it for commercial use? Or, do we have a situation with the PHILCOA similar to that of the US EPA making things difficult for small manufacturers? I have heard of companies like Senbel selling bd for fuel? How are they accountable? Regards, Chris -Original Message- From: Alexander P. Loinaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:16 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] 2 stroke lubricant test procedures Hi Franklin, I believe we can work together to further investigate BD's use in the manner you are using it. But I feel that product liability is of paramount importance because all you need is one major failure and it gives the program a bad image when word gets around in the manner that I have been getting the feed-back; it affects the whole program, both for BD and Bio2T. I am interested in looking into what is being experimented by your group and I look forward to photo documenting your tests and establishing an acceptable test protocol that may not necessarily apply to that of the manufacturer's processes as long as it can be proven and defended. We don't need a lab but actual field tests simulating certain load conditions and certain combinations of fuel/oil combinations to find the optimum performance of the product. I am a staunch supporter of biogenic products whether this be ethanol or biodiesel, in any manner that they can be best utilized. I have been in this endeavor to ensure the 2 stroke's survival in the Philippines and any field data will always be welcome. My argument has always been biodegradability, renewability, indigenous, sustainability, and most important, environmental friendly. We have to approach this in a very technical and professional manner because at the end of the day we have to prove its worth. My very best, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Alex I did mention the lubricity of BD because it the same oil component/property of BD that will give lubrication and prevent metal surface contact on crankshaft, connecting rod pin and cylinder wall when BD was used as a lube oil of two stroke gasoline engine. Lubrication of these engine parts for two stroke gasoline were done thru mixture of air/gas/oil at atomized or mist formed at pressurization chamber. This mixture will come in contact with these parts leaving a film of oil on metal surface. This film of oil provided by BD as lube oil has enough strength to prevent a metal to metal contact and prevent wear on metal surface. The crankcase (pressurization chamber) is sealed and no engine oil presence inside unlike in the case of four stroke engine where lubrication oil was splashed at the lower portion of cylinder/engine block. BD pure or blend with oil additive performed better than 2T mineral oil as lube oil. As to the testimony of tricycle drivers who tried BD. Their motor run smoother and quieter than before, engine block does not heat up, other experience better performance of their engine, no more carbon built up inside the cylinder and muffler, no oil dripping on their smoke exhaust pipe and most of all no more smoke. I don't have the test equipment because I cannot afford it but from testimonies of tricycle drivers who tried BD as lube oil and it works. Beside BD was cheap and will be available to tricycle drivers soon. Better yet, you have mention the four stroke gasoline engine for motorcycle after a year or two years used or introduction into the market and used as tricycle. Operators and drivers testify that two stroke engine is more durable than four stroke engine simply because two strokes has better lubrication capabilities than four strokes. They claim that the upper part of the cylinder or the combustion chamber, valve seat intake/exhaust port were not lubricated properly unlike two stroke engine. These parts are starving of lubricating oil specially upper most part of cylinder at TDC position, including valve seat and port where wear and tear occurred. Other than this Two strokes is compact, less parts and spare parts are cheap available. This week we will try to use BD as lubricating agent for four stroke gasoline engine specially engine with fuel injector and see what will be the outcome. Best wishes Frank -Original Message- From: Alexander P. Loinaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:58 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] 2 stroke lubricant test procedures Frank, You seem to be confusing the performance test procedure for biodiesel used as diesel fuel. The HFRR lubricity test as in the http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Lubricity.PDF and another which is BOCLE as I mentioned previously in one of my mail tests for diesel fuel lubricity ability. These
RE: [biofuel] 2 stroke lubricant test procedures
Dear Frank, =-Original Message- =From: Alexander P. Loinaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:58 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] 2 stroke lubricant test procedures = = =Frank, = =You seem to be confusing the performance test procedure for biodiesel =used as diesel fuel. The HFRR lubricity test as in the =http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Lubricity.PDF and another which is =BOCLE as I mentioned previously in one of my mail tests for diesel fuel =lubricity ability. These should not be confused with performance test =procedures for 2 stroke engine lubricants which are two different =procedures. The HFRR test as adopted by the Fuel Injection Equipment =manufacturers (FIE) and the automotive industry or the BOCLE test =evaluates the ability of a fuel to provide the needed lubrication of an =injection pump particularly distributor types that rely on the fuel to =lubricate the pump's internal component especially with low sulfur =diesel fuels that loose their lubricating ability because of severe =hydro-treating as sulfur in the fuel is reduced. That's the HFRR test =mentioned in that site and not two stroke lubricity tests as found in =those sites I provided. That is why 2 stroke lubricants have different =performance tests and service classification from engine lubricants. =The former tests for lubricity, smoke, detergency, and muffler plugging =while engine oils are tested in a variety of test protocols using =different four stroke engines . A four stroke engine cylinder bore is =lubricated by the connecting rod spraying engine oil via a small hole =located on the side of the big end of the rod. Small 4 stroke engines =rely on splashing of the oil with a small plate located at the bottom of =the con rod. There is only one accepted viscosity classification system =for lubricating oils which was developed by the Society of Automotive =Engineers (SAE) that engine manufacturers use to specify the oil =viscosity requirements of their engines and have nothing to do with oil =quality but viscosity at certain temperatures. As for motorcycles, =marine , and small engine 2 stroke test protocols, the site I provided =gives an insight as to the testing procedures. Please take note that the =two are never inter-mixed which includes the diesel fuel lubricity tests. Yes, of course, you're right. BUT... =As for for owning a motorcycle, I don't own one but my son does and it's =a Honda NS 400 R two stroke 3 cylinder high performance bike that has =been running on the Bio 2T lubricant for quite sometime now. He has been =using this with much success and using the autolube with its present =setting, smoke has been almost eliminated as compared to the mineral =(mosquito fogger) type which he had been previously using. We have =removed the head on several occasions to see the effects of the Bio 2T =which is very evident especially the liner, piston top, plugs, and the =exhaust system. I have also documented and evaluated nearly a hundred =tricycles that have been using both mineral and the Bio 2T for carbon =build-up, some for wear (measuring piston to bore clearances and =evaluating honing wear), and emissions comparing mineral Bio2T on the =chassis dyno of Kawasaki Philippines and other test benches; and =reliability evaluation including servicing of these units. Regarding the =use of biodiesel and their effects used as 2T, my only information come =from previous users both tricycle operators and from technical =university people that have used this in actual tricycle use and loaded =dyno testing who I have reason to believe are reliable since we work =together developing coconut based fuels and 2T lubricant use. Have you tried using straight bd instead of bio 2t? and maybe document its performance. You gave bio 2t a try, why not straight bd? I'm sure it will perform just as well on the conditions your son use his motorcycle (and not on abuse conditions, as Keith would put it. You have connections with the goverment. Again, why not put it under a certain classification suited for a certain load? We are not trying to look for a cure-all here. Just a cleaner but cheaper alternative. Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Bio Lube on Honda Dio Update
Hi gang: My sister had just her Honda dio's fuel pump adjusted back to its original setting. Before bd, it used to die after a few seconds of idle. After bd, the things just wants to zoom away and have a roman holiday. I think it's the cleaning power of bd that is at work here. Still no leaks no problems. Best, Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] The Versatile Engine
Pieter, How big is the engine you're building? The sterling engine is an external combustion engine. I read somewhere that some boats or yacht use this type of engine. Best, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Pieter Koole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:35 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Versatile Engine = = =This engine allready exists ! =It is called Stirling Engine, which functions on different temperatures =only. =There are even small stirling engines that can run on the warmth of your =hand. =When you look on the internet, you can find lots of information about this =machine. =Right at this moment, I am trying to build one myself. =The principles are very easy, so if you know how to handle some tools, you =can build one. = =Met vriendelijke groeten, =Pieter Koole =Netherlands. = = =The information contained in this message (including attachments) is =confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) =only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and =notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, =copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We =will not be =liable for direct, special, indirect or =consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this =message by a third party or in case of electronic communications =as a result =of any virus being passed on. = = =- Original Message - =From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:10 PM =Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Versatile Engine = = = = = Edward Mendoza wrote: = = Can this engine be designed? = = Can an engine be designed so that it can run on gasoline, diesel, = ethanol, = biodiesel, or veggie oil ? = = I think this is an excellent question. In theory, a combustion = engine can burn any fuel, but design parameters involve certain = compromises in order to accomodate the characteristics of a particular = fuel. What you would need for such an engine is variable compression, = fuel sensing and exceedingly precise fuel injection. While this could = be done, I'm not entirely confident that meeting emissions standards = would be very easy. = = = Will the engine need some minor, manual adjustments with removable = parts as needed? = Or can the versatile engine be designed from blueprints, at the = engineering stage, to run on any fuel without tinkering afterwards? = = The people at Saab have a variable compression ratio engine: = = = http://www.edmunds.com/news/innovations/articles/43027/article.html = = I think the same kind of thing could be done with variable valve = timing. Compression pressure is more significant than compression = ratio, and with computerized, electro-hydraulic valves this could be = accomplished without major changes to the bottom end of the engine. = Here's a link to such a set up: = = = http://www.mce-5.com/hmvt/hmvt.htm = = = Ford is using a more conventional approach in this, but unlike the = other links above, they have actually scheduled production of this = system for V 8 engines in their F 150 trucks: = = = =http://www.ford.com/en/innovation/engineFuelTechnology/variableCam =Timing.htm = = = = Also, a British company called Mayflower has prototyped a variable = compression ratio set up involving some interesting crankshaft = geometry. Their info can be found here: = = http://www.sae.org/automag/techbriefs/01-2002/page2.htm = = = A more radical approach is the free piston idea. Here's some info: = = http://www.iha.tut.fi/research/hfpe/moreinfoonHFPE.html = = I've been watching developments in the Alvar engine for some time, = and I really like this idea: = = http://www.alvar-engine.se/ = = In brief, there is a lot of development going on out there. Despite = all the hype about fuel cells, I think we'll be using combustion engines = for a very long time to come. An engine CAN be designed to burn = multiple fuels. Just watch. . . = = = robert luis rabello = The Edge of Justice = Adventure for Your Mind = http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 = = = = [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = Biofuels list archives: = http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to =http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ =
RE: [biofuel] Re: The Versatile Engine
Sterling engines are inherently multi-fuel compatible because it's an external combustion engine. Best, Chris =-Original Message- =From: the_maniacal_engineer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:07 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: [biofuel] Re: The Versatile Engine = = =At some point fuel versatility may become important enough that =multi-fuel stirlings will be viable. = =--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Friedrich Friesinger =[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Hi Edward, = as i know from my german military service,the engine you talk about =exists already.if i'm not mistaken the german = manufacturer MAN produced it. = Fritz = - Original Message - = From: Edward Mendoza = To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:17 AM = Subject: [biofuel] The Versatile Engine = = = Can this engine be designed? = = Can an engine be designed so that it can run on gasoline, diesel, =ethanol, = biodiesel, or veggie oil ? =snip = But in the next thirty to fifty years we will inevitably be forced =away from = fossil fuels. Therefore, engines that are designed with the =versatility to = run on any renewable resource fuels will become crucial. = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] BD as Lube oil for two stroke gasoline engine
Keith, I totally agree with you that the tests which Alex describe are unrealistic and serves to kill bd's potential before it's realized for the benefit of the few. It is sad to say but I believe politics is behind this or at least those people who stand to gain by promoting a single brand to kill the competition or to protect the big oil companies. I am saddened that this is the state of my country. Alex, Why not approve bd for a certain load capacity? Engine and gear oils have certain 'ratings'for different use(SA40..etc.) Why not adopt a similar classification for bd and 2T oils. Best, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 10:57 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] BD as Lube oil for two stroke gasoline engine = = =Hi Aleks = =I think your tests have established a few things but I'm not sure how =useful it is. You've established what doesn't work with using =biodiesel as 2T oil, but I don't think you can extrapolate from these =tests that biodiesel doesn't work as 2T oil. Obviously it does work, =as more and more list members are reporting, though without long-term =results yet, but also without any reports of failures. = =What doesn't work, then, according to your tests, is using biodiesel =at the OEM recommended rate for 2T oil (50:1 or 40:1) at full engine =stress (WOT) and high heat (starting with a cold engine?) under test, =not road, conditions. What also apparently doesn't work is a =commercial company's use of biodiesel with a viscosifier, whatever =that may be, as 2T oil, I suppose also at the OEM spec rate, but I =think we'd need more detail on that to conclude anything much from it. = =If it's less viscous, why use the OEM rate? The viscosity issue has =been discussed here before, and a number of people using biodiesel as =2T oil double the OEM rate, mostly to 20:1. Chris's idea of not =pre-mixing it but letting the oil metering pump do the work and =compensate sounds like it could be a better approach. But again, =supplying only the OEM recommended rate probably wouldn't be enough =for that to work well. = =Maybe you'll say that the tests do match road conditions, citing a =125cc Skylab carrying 20 people up a mountain in the Philippines at =full throttle, but that's not normal use, it's not even rough use, =it's abuse - that motor is not going to last too long anyway, no =matter what oil you put in it. The use of recycled used motor oil in =2-strokes is a well-known problem, especially in the Philippines (I =think there have been UNEP reports on it), and if this work can help =to solve that problem, great, well done. But I don't think it's very =transferrable to normal road use by commuters who own their machines, =rather than rent-a-drivers who overload and don't have to care. It's =relevant of course, but I doubt it can be directly applied. = =What I've been trying to do with this issue (for a long time) is to =encourage cautious experiment and fend off scare stories of broken =motors that come without any detail from which something might be =learnt, or without any substantiation at all, not even any evidence =that it was the biodiesel that caused the problem. We need to find =out how best to use biodiesel as 2-stroke oil, as it's apparent that =it can be used. If you're seeing any resistance to using Senbel's Bio =2T or other such products, it would be because they're not a solution =for homebrewers, you have to buy them. If we find a good homebrew =solution, next would be biodiesel and ethanol, and we'll have a =biofuels answer for 2-strokes that's accessible to anybody. = =We now have a bunch of early reports that it works, plus scare =stories, plus your viscosifier report (which tells us little), and =your test results replicating abusive conditions, which set a limit, =but the limit is too high. What would a more realistic limit be, =reflecting normal use plus a reasonable safety margin? = =I don't think I agree with this assessment: = =In the case of Frank, he =is mixing 2T mineral oil with biodiesel since the viscosity of 2T is =58~60 mm/s at 40 C while biodiesel is 3.5~5.0 mm/s at 40 C which is =far too thin for auto lube use which in effect will flow more as =compared to the more viscous 2T oils. This is why he is experiencing =bleeding when using pure biodiesel in the auto lube system or may also =be experiencing elastomer incompatibility with biodiesel. = =It's more likely to be elastomer incompatibility, I was wondering why =Frank didn't just change the seal rather than mix with ordinary 2T =oil. If the problem persists with a resistant seal, then think of =something else, such as mixing. = =Best wishes = =Keith = = =Hi Keith, = =The use of biodiesel as 2T replacement was first used by a group when =they first attempted to sell this as a 2T replacement for tricycle use. =They bought their supply from Senbel and added a viscosifier to meet the =2T viscosity range
RE: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly
Dan, Thanks for the offer but I think I will try out my idea just to see if it will work. Chris =-Original Message- =From: Dan Maker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 9:50 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Bubble Wash Assembly = = =Tan said: = = Thanks for the numerous response but I have to ask again. = Could a basketball pin(used for inflating balls) be used to =deliver a jet of = air/bubbles to a wash tank if powered by a strong enough pump, let's say = portable tire air pumps? = =It could work, I'd think. But it would not work as well as the other =methods that have been discused. = = You see where I live its hard to find the parts you described. = =If you are in the US I'm sure McMaster-Carr will ship to you. I don't =know what their international shipping policy is, but I'd be glad to act =as an intermediary if that's a problem. Have it shipped to me, then I =could re-ship it to you. I've dealt with shipping small items =internationally and it's not that difficult. = =Dan =-- =Jack of all trades, master of none. =Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker =http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Bubble Wash Assembly
Thanks James and Ken. Ken, I was going to ask you if you have pictures of you bubbler but it seems that Keith is always two steps ahead. Thanks Keith. Chris =-Original Message- =From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:22 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bubble Wash Assembly = = =on 11/24/03 12:51 PM, James Slayden at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = = Ask Ken Provost about his better longer-lasting = bubbler. = =Hi, james -- I'll consider myself asked :-)! = =I didn't invent it -- I stole it either from =this list or the Infopop fokes (bless their =pointd little heads). It's two compresser =mufflers (the 1/2 NPT sintered bronze ones, =do a Google search) mounted back-to-back with =some brass fittings from Home Depot, and =the smallest bubbler from Petco. = =I used to think it was too open (i,e, lotsa =soap) til I started doing an aqueous glycerine =wash. -- now it's just very EFFICIENT. -K = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] BD as Lube oil for two stroke gasoline engine
Keith, UP NCTS means University of the Philippines National Center for Transportation Studies. You can tell what it does by its name. Chris =-Original Message- =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 1:51 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] BD as Lube oil for two stroke gasoline engine = = =Hi Alex = =Frank, = =Senbel has two products made from coconut for vehicle use. Estrol =Biodiesel and Estrol 2T which come from the same coconut base but are =completely different products. The Bio 2T is cheaper than any of the =petroleum based product in the market. You might be confusing the =Biodiesel for the 2T. This will not work. Some groups have tried using =Biodiesel as a 2T replacement and have damaged their engines. = =And some groups have tried using biodiesel as a 2T replacement and =have not damaged their engines. We need to know just what damages =engines and what doesn't. I don't think sweeping statements on either =side will serve - whether do it it works just fine or don't do it =you'll wreck your engine. Please post more information about these =tests, just how they were conducted, who by and on behalf of whom. I =think previously you said there was only damage at maximum stress? = =Biodiesel =does not have the lubricity needed for 2 stroke use. It's a diesel =extender and a replacement at the same time. The formulation of the Bio =2T is different though the initial process is the same. What's even more =evident with Biosiesel is the viscosity which is so much thinner than =the Bio 2T and this is why you had to resort to mixing this with mineral =based 2T. The Bio 2T can be used straight in your autolube system though =adjusting the autolube to give a 30~40:1 ratio would significantly =reduce visible smoke and gaseous emissions. The UP NCTS test = =What's that mean please? = =More detail please Alex. = =Best = =Keith = =was based =on a pre-mixed ratio of 40:1 and the autolube was disconnected. = =Alex = =[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = = I'm glad for your response regarding estrol brand bio 2T oil =but when I = inquire further as to what type of oil they are using for this bio 2T = they said that it is a coconut oil and the process is esterification = process by converting the virgin oil (SVO) to biodiesel or now biolube = oil. I'm glad they are producing this bio 2T but the price =per liter is = too high compared to price conventional 2T oil (petro based oil). = Biodiesel/biolube oil should not cost that much considering the = production cost and simplicity of process all is need are lot of = patience and caring to produce good quality biodiesel/biolube =oil. Well = I'm encourage again to go deeper on this task to bring biolube oil to = common people who used motorcycle as a basic mode of transportation on = rural areas. = = Thanks for the information = Frank = = -Original Message- = From: Alexander P. Loinaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:51 AM = To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = Subject: Re: [biofuel] BD as Lube oil for two stroke gasoline engine = = Franklin, = = You can buy Bio 2T from Senbel Fine Chemicals at telephone # (632) = 850-6877 in the Philippines. They sell the Estrol brand of =Bio 2T which = was tested by the National Center for Transport Studies of the = University of the Philippines Engineering Department. This =was proven to = = be superior in performance and emission levels (gaseous and visible = smoke) against the biggest selling 2T mineral oil in the market. Best = used as a pre mix at 40:1. All autolubes of 2 stroke =motorcycles in the = Philippines are set at 20:1 which is the reason for the high smoke and = accumulation of wasted unburned oil in the muffler system. =For the same = pre-mix ratio as the mineral based lubricant, visible smoke =was reduced = to almost nil with the use of Estrol Bio 2T = = Alex = = Franklin B. Del Rosario wrote: = = Hi to all = = I would like to report to the group that my 83 model Yamaha =motorcycle = was running good with BD as a lube oil. Smoke was reduce and no more = oil = dripping on my muffler. I sent my motorcycle for emission =test center = the result were as follow: = Data reading = CO2 2.90% = CO 3.39% = HC5396PPM = O213.29% = AFVR 20.95 = LAMBDA 1.44 = = STANDARD GAS LIMIT = CO2 20.00% = CO 6.00% = HC1PPM = LAMBDA 1.00 +/- 0.99 = RESULTOK PASSED = = The result of emission test using BD as a lube oil is very =encouraging = compared to 2T lubricating oil from oil producing company petrobased = oil = = Pouring in 100% BD at auto lube oil tank had a problem of =leaking oil = seal at metering pump. I guess that BD is too thin or rubber seal = worn. = So I drain the BD out of auto lube oil tank and metering pump let it = dry for a couple of days and mix BD with 2T oil
RE: [biofuel] BD as Lube oil for two stroke gasoline engine
Alexander, May I ask what you do? Are you related in any way to NCTS or to Senbel perhaps? Regards, Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] BD as Lube oil for two stroke gasoline engine
Alexander, Could you elaborate on this: =Senbel decided to developed their own bio 2T =formulations and tested several until they came up with the right =formulation before this was introduced in the market owing to the =experience of their buyers. Of which buyers? Tricycle drivers? Senbel deals with oleo chemicals, right? Do they also have automotive clients? I tried contacting them once but they ditch me off. =Bio 2T has the same viscosity range as with other mineral or synthetic 2T =oils. How do you suppose they did this? Mineral additives perhaps? Or they selectively chose a single type of fatty acid to make bd from. I believe they have to equipment segregate the different fatty acids from a feedstock. The =Philippine government is now using the TUP for these tests to qualify =all 2T products in the market before these can be sold because of the =TUP and UP experience. The University of the Philippines had just =concluded their 2 year study at a cost of P1,500,000 ($30,000 US). Any place I can find a copy of these studies? Thanks, Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Bubble Wash Assembly
Keith, It seems my bubble stones clog up with soap and sometimes with bd. A basketball pin (I think that's what it's called) is the thin metal tube you insert into a basketball or any other ball to inflate it. I'm thinking that to make a jet of air in water, a strong pump is needed. But perhaps you are right. I might be an over kill and I may end up with biodiesel icing. =) Thanks, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:16 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bubble Wash Assembly = = =Hello Chris = =Hi all: = =Could you give your input on this? = =How about using a basketball pin and a portable air compressor (the kind =used to inflate tires) to deliver a jet of air into a bd wash tank? = =Sounds like severe overkill. But I don't know what a basketball pin is. = =I found =that using aquarium type bubble stones tend to clog up after a few wash. = =Clog up with what? = =Best = =Keith = = = =Do =you think this idea could work? = =Thanks, = =Chris = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Bubble Wash Assembly
Hi all: Could you give your input on this? How about using a basketball pin and a portable air compressor (the kind used to inflate tires) to deliver a jet of air into a bd wash tank? I found that using aquarium type bubble stones tend to clog up after a few wash. Do you think this idea could work? Thanks, Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] What vehicle are you running on biodiesel?
Franklin, Where are you from? Do you also make your own biodiesel? Best, Christopher =-Original Message- =From: Franklin B. Del Rosario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:17 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: RE: [biofuel] What vehicle are you running on biodiesel? = = =Toyota Revo type 2L 2.4 diesel engine 1998 model running at B100 and as =lube oil for two stroke engine Yamaha 1983 model 125 cc mixed with 5% =bidoesel (1:20) still running under observation initial result change =spark plug and clean gasoline tank because biodiesel and gasoline mixed =remove residue to gas tank, fouling the carburetor. motor was running =smoothly as before, smoke improved because no more 2T lube oil. = =Frank = =-Original Message- =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:10 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] What vehicle are you running on biodiesel? = =Ford F-250 and VW Golf. = =- Original Message - =From: Mark Finewood [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:32 PM =Subject: [biofuel] What vehicle are you running on biodiesel? = = = I am curiouse about what vehicles people are running on biodiesel? = = Let me know. = = Mark = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = Biofuels list archives: = http://archive.nnytech.net/ = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to =http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to =http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: running ethanol - conversion required?
Curtis, Ethanol is not ionic. It us a polar covalent compound. Its polarity is between that of water and gasoline, thus it dissolves both in water and in gasoline and can act as emulsifier making a relatively stable mixture of gasoline and water. Best regards, Christopher =-Original Message- =From: csakima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 11:44 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: [biofuel] Re: running ethanol - conversion required? = = =As I understand, ethanol is a ionic type of substance, Gasoline is a =covalent substance. = =Roughly explained Ionic (think, water based) Covalent (think, =oil based). = =Ionic solvents dissolve different things then covalent solvents. =Make sense =right?? Table Salt dissolves in water ... not so good in Gasoline. =Plastic melts when soaked in Gasoline ... stands up pretty well =in water. =Same with Oil-based ... versus Water-based paint. = =A typical automobile is built expecting Gas to flow through its =veins ... =not water. So when ionic ethanol is pumped through, seals that only =thought they'd be dealing with covalent gasoline all their life =... suddenly =find themselves dissolving. Clogging Jets, injector nozzle holes, etc. = =Curtis = =- =Make her feel special this coming holiday season with flowers =www.flowerson55.com = = = =- Original Message - =From: moonmen944 [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Hi =pardon my ignorance, but what is involved in converting a car to burn =ethanol? I read someplace that hoses and gaskets had to be replaced. Is =this true? what about adjustments to the injection systems, etc? = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Popular Mechanics article
The enzymes that digest the food you eat are those that come from your own digestive system and injected at different points of the digestion process . I agree with Bob. The enzymes that comes with the food are denatured by the strong acid (HCl) in the stomach. Chris =-Original Message- =From: Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:55 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Popular Mechanics article = = =Bob, =from what I've red, enzymes help to digest. =Without them, eating wouldn't be possible... =Just want to point out that I'm on Ann Wigmore diet for 3 years, =growing my =own food, =and experience it first hand. =Alex =- Original Message - =From: Bob Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:45 AM =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Popular Mechanics article = = = Alex wrote: = Cooking destroys enzymes. = Enzymes = life. = Alex = = = Alex, eating destroys enzymes. They are made of protein, which are = turned into an amino acid soup in your stomach, otherwise, you wouldn't = be able to absorb them. = = -- = -- = Bob Allen, Professor of Chemistryhttp://ozarker.org/bob = =-- =- = Some scientists claim that Hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is = the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there = is more stupidity than Hydrogen, and that is the basic building block = of the universe. - Frank Zappa = = --- = [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = Biofuels list archives: = http://archive.nnytech.net/ = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to =http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] FBI looking for biodiesel fraudster
The FBI is now probably sifting through emails in this discussion group for a lead. They can you know. They even have backdoors to PGP encryption and similar encryption software. =-Original Message- =From: Ken Gotberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:29 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: [biofuel] FBI looking for biodiesel fraudster = = =Hi = =Karl Rehberg, 60, headed a business called NOPEC -- =which stood for No OPEC -- that turned french fries' =grease into biodiesel fuel. He is accused of selling =$21.3 million worth of illegal stock to 2,800 people =from 1990 to 1999. = =from: =http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030930/NEWS/ =309300409/1039 = =Published Tuesday, September 30, 2003 =KARL REHBERG = =FBI Still Can't Find Polk Fugitive =Elusive NOPEC chief sold $21.3 million in illegal =stock. = =By Rick Rousos =The Ledger =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =LAKELAND -- Q: How long can a cross-dressing, =225-pound, 6-foot tall fugitive and his wife evade =federal investigators? = =A: At least five years. = =Karl Rehberg, 60, headed a business called NOPEC -- =which stood for No OPEC -- that turned french fries' =grease into biodiesel fuel. He is accused of selling =$21.3 million worth of illegal stock to 2,800 people =from 1990 to 1999. = =About 400 of the people who haven't seen a dime of =their investments are from Polk County. Most of the =others are scattered across Florida and Georgia. = =Unquestionably, Rehberg did make hi-grade biodiesel =fuel from used restaurant grease. The problem: He =couldn't make it cheap enough to turn a profit. After =Rehberg left town, a series of attempts to make the =business profitable were unsuccessful. The plant on =George Jenkins Boulevard now sits idle. = =Rehberg disappeared from Lakeland in 1998 in the midst =of plea negotiations with federal prosecutors. The FBI =said Rehberg ran after realizing that any deal would =include his serving some time in federal prison. = =Karl and his wife, Helen Rehberg, have been as =slippery as the grease he turned into gas. The FBI, =which made the case against Rehberg for selling =unregistered securities, has been unable to find him =since his disappearance. = =We have checked out several leads and they have =turned out negative, FBI Special Agent Sara Oates =said Monday. And we don't have any information about =whether he's still in the country. = =Oates said she could neither confirm nor deny one =scenario that has circulated in Lakeland: Rehberg has =been in Hong Kong. = =But Oates did say that the FBI is serious about =learning the whereabouts of the Rehbergs. = =We're not going to stop until we find them, she =said. = =Their best chance so far may have been in 1999, when =investigators were always a few steps behind the =Rehbergs in the Southwest United States. = =Rehberg was seen in Albuquerque, N.M., dressed in drag =and using the name Peggy Helms. A woman who manages =apartments in Albuquerque told the FBI that Rehberg in =a dress is no sight for sore eyes. He's 6 feet tall =and weighs about 225 pounds. = =The apartment manager described Peggy Helms as a big, =nasty-looking woman or a linebacker with laryngitis. =Helms wore dowdy woman's clothing, orthopedic shoes =and a pin-curled, little-old-lady wig. = =Rehberg sometimes uses the name Earl Randall when =dressed as a man. And Helen Rehberg sometimes goes by =Ellen Rivers, the FBI has said. = =Federal officials disagree about whether Rehberg had =stashed any of the millions of dollars he collected =from investors before leaving the company, but the =consensus has been that the Rehbergs are broke, or at =least were when they left Lakeland. = =The FBI has heard reports that Rehberg has used the =name of Penni Haless, his way to plead poverty when =the name is juggled to Penniless Ha! = =Anyone with information about Rehberg can call the FBI =at 863-682-6114. = =Rick Rousos can be reached at =[EMAIL PROTECTED] or 863-802-7516. = = = = = =__ =Do you Yahoo!? =The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search =http://shopping.yahoo.com = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send
RE: [biofuel] Fitting a turbo (was SVO in turbodiesels)
I currently have a 1981 2.2L Toyota engine. It ran clean with diesel. It ran cleaner on BD. -Original Message- From: Juan Boveda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 5:49 PM To: 'biofuel@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [biofuel] Fitting a turbo (was SVO in turbodiesels) Hello Paul. I would consider a good maintenance for that engine, first of all. I used to drive a Toyota Hi-Lux pick up with the 2.2 L engine, a 1981 model, from brand new up to about 600,000 Km on it :-) without cargo its acceleration was good but with more than 800 kg on it, I suffer from its slugish acceleration. It is a good engine if its copression is Ok and the fuel injectors are in good shape. Besides its fuel consuption is really low for a 1 ton pick up without cargo, I used to get about 8 litres/100 Km at 90 Km/h on road with it (the model did not have air conditioner from factory). Best regards. Juan - Original Message - From: gobie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18/08/03 04:42 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Re: [biofuel] Fitting a turbo (was SVO in turbodiesels) - Original Message - From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alan, An intercooler will cool the incoming air charge, allowing more fueling and power without adding any more heat - unless you turn the fueling up a whole lot. Adding a pyrometer (aka EGT gauge - exhaust gas temperature ) and a turbo boost gauge at the same time will help you make sure you don't add so much power by turning up the fueling than you melt something. How to add a turbo is another question - if there's anyone who makes a kit for it, that'd be easiest, if not, you'll have to get an intercooler from a junkyard - I know a guy who's added a Saab or Mustang gas engine intercooler to a Mercedes 300D - I could give you his number if you contacted me off-list. Craig I have a rather smokey Hilux 2.2 deisel (1982 model). Even smokes a bit on `100% BD. Have been thinking of turboing it to reduce smoke and give it a much needed power boost. Kits are probably no longer available for this engine and would be expensive to get a turbo adapted. Have decided to investigate fitting a secondhand turbo in the exhaust pipe and mounted on the chassis behind the cab under the tray. Exhaust will exit through vertical stack/muffer. Air intake will be mounted on other side feeding through filter to turbo inlet. Engine/exhaust pipe up to turbo will probably need insulation to maintain volume of flow. Piping of air from turbo ( along chassis) to engine can be finned to act as an intercooler. I'm not after high pressure boost but i'm curious to know if locating a turbo remote from the engine like this would be effective. Certainly would make fitting one to an older vehicle much easier. Do turbos rely on the sudden pulses of the exhaust gas as it exits the exhaust ports and expands or the total flow of the exhaust gas?. . Regards, Paul Gobert. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Fwd: Re: reducing ffa's
It depends on what catalyst you are using. The base process isn't as sensitive. Christopher -Original Message- From: Tim Desson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 11:20 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Re: reducing ffa's the reaction between FFA and methanol is an equlibrium when catalysed by an acid FFA + methanol == Me ester + water so the reaction is driven to the right by an excess of methanol (the reaction you want) but is driven to the left by an excess of water, so my guess is that you need to get rid of water in your oil to make the FFA go to Me ester, and more methanol will help push the reaction the way you want. cheers, Tim From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: Re: reducing ffa's Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:50:13 +0900 Fwd from Biofuels-biz. To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:19:24 +0700 Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] reducing ffa's Dear Colton (and indirectly Girl Mark), I think pH meters are very stable and reliable instruments these days. But you have to rememebr that they measure the hydrogen ion concentration in a solvent that allows ionisation such as water. (Indeed, the pH scale is devised so that pH 7 is as neutral as water is supposed to be). Methyl ester and vegetable oils are not such solvents. If you put the electrodes of a pH meter into oil or an oil/water mix, the lack of an ionisable solvent between them causes the apparent pH value to wander all over the place. You can even damage some pH meters. I think that is also part of the answer for Girl Mark too: You can soon test what Todd is saying by dropping some sodium hydroxide pellets or flakes into some vegetable oil. You will see that it slowly reacts with the glycerides to give sodium soaps which encase the pellets. This would make ppoor hand-soap because the unreacted pellets would be quite dangerous. But add some water and a little heat and the reaction is much faster and more complete. The sodium salt of the fatty acid so formed can be skimmed off or separated out with a strong brine solution (including calcium chloride solutions just like emulsion breaking mentioned elsewhere). It may then be washed with fresh brine at this time to remove unreacted sodium hudroxide. The pH of the soap made in this way is usually then lowered by adding resin (wood resins such as pine and kauri have been used for yonks) and buffered by adding something like borax (sodium tetraborate) or a phosphate (which also counters scum-formation in calcium-containing hard waters). The soap is then left to harden (aging) so that water evaporates and any sodium hydroxide (lye) left gets a chance to react with carbon dioxide in the air to make the less skin-aggressive sodium carbonate. (This is basically how laundry soaps and soap powders were once made -- and still are in some sustainable-technology countries). Some of these crude soaps are then re- milled, heated with colouring, perfumes, resin, buffers, glycerol etc. to make toilet soaps. (Incidentally, I think there are many more good recipes on the net for soap-making than there are for ester-making. Here are just three of the thousands presented by google: http://candleandsoap.about.com/mbody.htm, http://waltonfeed.com/old/soaphome.html, http://members.aol.com/oelaineo/soapmaking.html) I'm sure you can see the similarities of this saponification reaction to the transesterification reaction. And you can also see how the presence of water can quickly turn one into the other! But to return to Colton's enquiry: For the reasons given in the first paragraph, we measure the pH of the wash-water in contact with the methyl ester. Of course it takes some time for the two phases to come to equilibrium depending on how much mixing is going on, surface area exposed etc. Strictly speaking, we are not trying to make the oil pH neutral by washing so much as trying to remove sodium soaps and methoxide. If these remain in the ester, they could be deposited in the engine and may cause damage. (Whether such damage is more dangerous to a diesel engine that a long drive down a spume-covered coast road I cannot say . but it's an interesting thought!) Hope this is some help Michael Allen Thailand On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:01:07 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are using a pH meter ( visual) methods during our titration to determine the ffa%. It is very frustrating since the pH meter readings are very inconsistant. Our current ffa% is 1.6% and we are trying to reduce it to .5% by acidification. Any comments on methods for determing the ffa%? Thanks Colton How were you able to know that your ffa's increase? If you are just using a pH meter, it is but natural that the pH will fall since you are using a
RE: [biofuels-biz] reducing ffa's
How were you able to know that your ffa's increase? If you are just using a pH meter, it is but natural that the pH will fall since you are using a strong acid H2SO4. If you are titrating with NaOH, H2SO4 will eat up a considerable amount of lye. Christopher =-Original Message- =From: Orion Polinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:53 AM =To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com =Subject: [biofuels-biz] reducing ffa's = = =hi all, = =I am trying to convert my free fatty acids to =esters by acidification using methanol and =H2SO4. Unfortunately, each time I try it, my =ffa level increases. =Is there anyone out there with a good =acidification recipe? =thanks, =Orion = = =summa scientia nihil scire =Help the planet each day! It's free and easy: =http://www.Care2.com/dailyaction/ = = = =Biofuels at Journey to Forever =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html =Biofuel at WebConX =http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm =List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: =http://archive.nnytech.net/ =To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = = = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] World's First CO2-neutral Designer Diesel Fuel Presented
My exact thoughts also, Keith. Christopher =-Original Message- =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:40 AM =To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] World's First CO2-neutral Designer Diesel =Fuel Presented = = =Hi Marcelino and all = =Certainly it's not biodiesel, it's a Fischer-Tropsch fuel, as you say. = =The reason for my Huh??? Um... is that I somehow thought maybe =biodiesel is the World's First CO2-neutral Designer Diesel Fuel. = =By the way, a Biofuel list member sent me this some time back: = = One of our oldest scientists, now 84 yrs. old, was responsible for =going into Germany post WWII and uncovering the remains of Hitler's =synthetic fuels machine which had been bombed out. I'm speaking of =Fischer-Tropsch oily-based paraffins which are hydrocracked down =into shorter chains for synthetic gasoline, jet fuel and diesel. He =brought back some of the original German scientists who'd perfected =this technology which utilized coarse, low-grade brown German coal =as feedstock. Three times he tried to start-up an American version =of synthetic hydrocarbon fuels in the GTL arena and was blocked. As =the highest ranking American energy technologist post WWII, he =couldn't figure this out. It was over 20 years later that he =realized that the late John Rockefeller of Standard Oil [Exxon] had =been the politic behind the scenes, making sure that his new, =alternative fuel ideas did not materialize. This scientist then took =his blueprints for the first major GTL project and gave them to =Sasol who built his first coal gasification device back in 1953 and =it is still operating today. Sasol from South Africa is the oldest =synthetic fuels producer globally. = =regards = =Keith = = =Friends, = =I've been reading on this and the product is not BD (biodiesel). = =The process is biomass to syn gas by high temperature =gasification, and then =to synthetic diesel, quite similar to petroleum diesel. = =Is similar to the coal to oil process of giant Sasol, the South African =producer of synthetic petroleum, in this case from coal, via syn =gas and the =Fisher Tropsch process. = =Marcelino =- Original Message - =From: Christopher Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 12:11 AM =Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] World's First CO2-neutral Designer =Diesel Fuel =Presented = = = Sounds like Bio-d to me. = = Christopher = = =-Original Message- = =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:41 AM = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com = =Subject: [biofuels-biz] World's First CO2-neutral Designer =Diesel Fuel = =Presented = = = = = =Huh??? Um... = = = = = =http://www.h2cars.biz/artman/publish/article_197.shtml = = = =World's First CO2-neutral Designer Diesel Fuel Presented = = = =By Poul Erik Bak based on material from DaimlerChrysler = =Jun 30, 2003, 18:21 = = = =The new biofuel, which DaimlerChrysler has named Biotrol, can be = =added without any difficulty to current fuels and may become = =important in the fuel-portfolio to combat emissions and = =oil-dependence. = = = =At the Environmental Press Conference held in Stuttgart, = =DaimlerChrysler AG presented the world's first synthetic =diesel fuel, = =which does not affect the CO2 atmospheric balance in the atmosphere = =during driving. This fuel is produced by the complete utilization of = =organic substances. The carbon dioxide originating in the engine on = =combustion is taken from the air as plants grow. = = = =This eliminates the additional entry of carbon dioxide into the = =atmosphere by fuel produced from petroleum during driving, a = =situation which has existed since the time cars were first = =introduced. Accordingly, the Group assigns high significance to the = =production of the biofuel: Professor Jrgen Hubbert Member of the = =Board of Management of DaimlerChrysler AG responsible for the = =Mercedes Car Group: We are at the start of a promising =development. = = = =According to Dr. Weber, deputy Member of the Board of Management of = =DaimlerChrysler AG with responsibility for Research and Technology, = =the fuel is the cleanest and most environmentally friendly diesel = =ever. It is produced in a research project supported by the Federal = =Ministry for Economics and Labor jointly with the Choren company in = =Freiberg in Saxony, where Choren has facilities for converting the = =biomass from wood residue into fuel. This is the first system of its = =type in the world. Volkswagen also joined the research =project in the = =fall of last year. = = = =The new biofuel, which DaimlerChrysler has christened with the name = =of Biotrol, can be added without any difficulty to current fuels. = =The research work is currently in the beginning stage of clarifying = =if Biotrol can be used as an exclusive fuel
[biofuel] Re: research:water hyacinth
Aileen, Maybe this is what you are looking for. Thanks to Todd. Thermal Depolymerization http://www.happyvalleyasylum.com/ratched/archives/000778.php http://www.discover.com/may_03/featoil.html Christopher =-Original Message- =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 1:54 PM =To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] World's First CO2-neutral Designer Diesel =Fuel Presented = = ==Choren has facilities for converting the ==biomass from wood residue into fuel. = = = Sounds like Bio-d to me. = = Christopher = =Something a bit diff from veg-oil biodiesel. Perhaps more along =the lines of =thermal depolymerization? =http://www.happyvalleyasylum.com/ratched/archives/000778.php =http://www.discover.com/may_03/featoil.html = =Todd Swearingen = = =-Original Message- = =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:41 AM = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com = =Subject: [biofuels-biz] World's First CO2-neutral Designer Diesel Fuel = =Presented = = = = = =Huh??? Um... = = = = = =http://www.h2cars.biz/artman/publish/article_197.shtml = = = =World's First CO2-neutral Designer Diesel Fuel Presented = = = =By Poul Erik Bak based on material from DaimlerChrysler = =Jun 30, 2003, 18:21 = = = =The new biofuel, which DaimlerChrysler has named Biotrol, can be = =added without any difficulty to current fuels and may become = =important in the fuel-portfolio to combat emissions and = =oil-dependence. = = = =At the Environmental Press Conference held in Stuttgart, = =DaimlerChrysler AG presented the world's first synthetic diesel fuel, = =which does not affect the CO2 atmospheric balance in the atmosphere = =during driving. This fuel is produced by the complete utilization of = =organic substances. The carbon dioxide originating in the engine on = =combustion is taken from the air as plants grow. = = = =This eliminates the additional entry of carbon dioxide into the = =atmosphere by fuel produced from petroleum during driving, a = =situation which has existed since the time cars were first = =introduced. Accordingly, the Group assigns high significance to the = =production of the biofuel: Professor Jrgen Hubbert Member of the = =Board of Management of DaimlerChrysler AG responsible for the = =Mercedes Car Group: We are at the start of a promising development. = = = =According to Dr. Weber, deputy Member of the Board of Management of = =DaimlerChrysler AG with responsibility for Research and Technology, = =the fuel is the cleanest and most environmentally friendly diesel = =ever. It is produced in a research project supported by the Federal = =Ministry for Economics and Labor jointly with the Choren company in = =Freiberg in Saxony, where Choren has facilities for converting the = =biomass from wood residue into fuel. This is the first system of its = =type in the world. Volkswagen also joined the research project in the = =fall of last year. = = = =The new biofuel, which DaimlerChrysler has christened with the name = =of Biotrol, can be added without any difficulty to current fuels. = =The research work is currently in the beginning stage of clarifying = =if Biotrol can be used as an exclusive fuel, or whether engine = =modifications are necessary. The research also involves economic = =viability calculations, questions on sustained production and matters = =of the overall impact on the production of energy. = = = =Since the fuel can be easily added to existing diesel fuel, there is = =a reduction in new CO2 emission from new vehicles in existing fleets = =as well as a potential for reduction in new CO2 emissions from all = =diesel vehicles, depending on the mixture ratio once the fuel is = =available. = = = =In the view of the company, from today's perspective in the next = =decade a considerable share of EU diesel consumption could be covered = =with biofuels. = = = =Dr. Thomas Weber has offered to cooperate with the mineral oil = =industry. Political circles in Berlin and Brussels have encouraged = =Weber to support the further development with clever decision = =making, in particular differentiating in environmental discussions = =between CO2 emissions from bio and fossil sources. = = = =According to the company, the production costs for Biotrol, which are = =currently at EUR 0.7 per liter, are still two to three times that of = =conventional fuels. With the further development of production = =techniques and optimized distribution, DaimlerChrysler expects that = =costs will continue to decline. Since bio fuels have been exempted = =from gasoline tax since last year, Biotrol can be offered at = =competitive prices even today. = = = =At the opening of the first
