Re: [Biofuel] Horror Care: How Private Health Care Is Shortening Our Lives

2013-03-07 Thread denise farley
I liked the article. There can be dissension on most anything - the other
viewpoints and ferreting out the substance behind each is what makes us
think. Thank you!
denise


On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Sadhbh MacMahon
sadhbhmacma...@hotmail.comwrote:


 Okay out of three articles Ive posted ( 1 just a second ago) two have had
 objections. please let me know if I should stop putting stuff up. My
 choices may not be the best for this list.Sadhbh.


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Re: [Biofuel] Merceds-Benz

2009-10-17 Thread denise farley
Keith,
Just out of sheer curiosity, where does the information that Most biodiesel
in the US is soy biodiesel come from?

I was wondering too, since I cannot find the information even on the NBB
(unless I am blind which is never outside the realm of possibility), where
might be a good source to look for a list of currently operating biodiesel
plant?  Ours closed and is in bankruptcy and of the other two in the local
area, only one is operating.  We couldn't compete even switching to animal
fats - and all those inherent processing problems.  Of course, the one
operating is big-bucks AGP and, yes, uses soy.

Hmmm.  D'ya think I might have sort of answered my own question here?
 Although I will say there is a soybean processing coop south of here that
ceased production of biodiesel in their facility for at least 6 months last
I heard.  They sold their soybean oil to AGP during that period.  Sigh.

Thanks so much!
Denise


On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Keith Addison
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 Most biodiesel in the US is soy biodiesel, which doesn't need high
 pressure to oxidise and polymerise, it's a semi-drying oil, it'll
 polymerise anyway. The IV is well above the EU biodiesel standard
 upper limit. (See Iodine Values
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine, National
 standards for biodiesel
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#biodstds.) The
 biodiesel industry in the US seems to be more are less in denial
 about this, but then the US National Biodiesel Board is a creature of
 US Big Soy.

 Hm, I must check how the US-EU row over the US dumping cheap soy
 biodiesel on the EU market is progressing. IIRC last time I looked
 the US was accusing the EU of protectionism, on the basis of what
 sounded like GMO-style substantial equivalence of America's soy and
 Europe's rapeseed oil, though they're not equivalent when it comes to
 iodine values and polymerisation. Rapeseed oil has a much lower IV
 and is much less likely to polymerise. Nonetheless, a lot of
 Europeans use anti-oxidant with their biodiesel, while very little
 anti-oxidant is used in the US, by contrast. Also, in the US most
 biodiesel is the NBB's commercial B20, a low blend with a lower risk
 of polymerisation, so they have to care about it that much less.

 They're never going to accept that soy could be anything less than
 ideal. I get the impression that, even if there is such a thing,
 high-pressure polymerisation could be just a convenient scapegoat for
 soy's shortcomings.

 Best

 Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] Fuel from Algae??

2008-04-28 Thread denise farley
Just couldn't resist my 2 cents worth here:

The biodiesel plant I work for in the Midwest is investigating using algae
as a feedstock.  I'm not in the loop as far as details, but find it just
fascinating and wonder if they're even thinking about going to go all the
way and 'produce' it as well.  Since they also, at one time, had a soy crush
facility on the drawing board to produce their own soy oil.  So many
plans

I've heard it said that the best salespeople are also some of the most
gullible when it comes to buying into the hype on new products.

It will be interesting to see how/when/if it's all done in the real world.

Denise

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:12 AM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 b sample. Progress, hey! :-)

 But still no real-world production of biodiesel from algae.


 That's been going on for two or three years, but it's what I said,
 lab samples, pilot projects that don't go anywhere and LOTS of hype,
 plus a patent or two and a few scams also. That's why I stopped
 posting stuff about algae here, and stopped encouraging small-scale
 attempts, which I'd done previously, and also why Biopact took the
 same stance over algae projects.

 I think the big question is, once the efficiency problems are solved
 (if ever), what sort of technology will it require? All the
 indications are that it will be high-tech stuff, for industry,
 perhaps including GMO strains. Not Appropriate Technology, and not
 for backyarders. In other words, not very useful, IMHO.

 Best

 Keith



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