[biofuel] PDF on fuel cells
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[biofuel] it's frozen and it's flammable at the same time
interesting methanehydrate http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/gccourse/chem/carbon/methanehydrate.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Why we need more oil and why ecology laws should be disregarded
a fox, a bird and a squirrel isn't exactly representing all the living species on earth. and those are the bigger animals. maybe you just misunderstood the thing i was trying to convey and just wanted to tell us about the nice place you are living in? ;) since when is 'ever before'? a year ago? two, three, five? that's not very scientific. and what has been counted? most, and i'll say most, of the endangered species are not exactly around your place, anyway. or would you be thinking that some scientists plug in the freezer for no reason? Apparently 60% of all living species on earth are currently under threat of extinction. (Seen today, as claimed by researchers, journalists and reporters of the documentary-makers of one of the most respected worldnews programs called 'nova' in the netherlands with the title: the frozen ark of noah) Don't know where this is coming from as there is a lot more wildlife in my area and other areas nearby than ever before? Andrew [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Why we need more oil and why ecology laws should be disregarded
Apparently 60% of all living species on earth are currently under threat of extinction. (Seen today, as claimed by researchers, journalists and reporters of the documentary-makers of one of the most respected worldnews programs called 'nova' in the netherlands with the title: the frozen ark of noah) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Goverment in Holland
Are you in the netherlands? you should contact the ministry that is concerned with it ( http://www.overheid.nl/organisaties/centraal/ministeries/ ) VenW or AZ and so. and ask if they can direct you and give you some information already also. after that you can also try postbus51 ( http://www.postbus51.nl/ ) and contacting any political party which you know of that will support it and ask questions there. ( http://www.rug.nl/dnpp/politiekePartijen/ ) Please let us know what you find out about it. Thanks Joel frag_lag wrote: Has anyone checked (or tried to) for all the rules and regulations asociated with commercial biodisel exploitation here? I am unable to find any leads on the net for info. Wondering about enviromental rules , subsidies etc And if it's possible to start it as a recycling company instead of petrochemical.. (very interesting if it's possible!) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129qtdc2b/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1091184422/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companion.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020
You are right, it is not working as it should. Donald Allwright wrote: Historically, democracies have not attacked one another. That may be history pretty soon . . . Since when have America and the various European nations been democracies? The form of 'democracy' that exists is just an illusion created by the ruling elite, to control the masses and stop them revolting. If you don't believe me, just look at the last presidential election in the US, and the way the European Union is handling the issue of Software Patents. Both would show that the wishes of the population are totally irrelevant to the outcome. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links = -- 43 - slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129tj7dfo/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1091100081/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companion.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] A conversation: Earth oil versus plant oil.
Original Message who wants nauseating oil when there are so many better alternatives? There are? Original Message Yop, The ORIGINAL diesel, namely plant oils (that was the idea of the diesel motor inventor, actually. And then some sadist came along and converted the rotten black carbon mush for the plant oils) (the rotten carbon mush, I M O should only be used as an alternative, and not very much, but now that it has been overused; then not at all ;)) Electricity: solar, wind, water, charge some batteries. Batteries keep getting smaller and more powerful, if it is possible to make a car run like that now, and it is, imagine what will happen over time. Oh, and just many, many more, i believe you all know some of them besides only these two. ;) Original Message But could you sustain the current diesel consumption with plant-based fuel AND grow food at the same time? i'm not a scientist, statician, mathematician, ecologist, botanist. they would have to get together to figure it out. but . i did forget to add that hemp seems to produce at nice quantities easily, andthere are many resources for it, other oils, olive, mustard seed, cabbage seed, sunflower, etc etc etc if actual researchers, scientists, inventors etc are actually aren't actually more supported intead of suppressed, it's earth gone bye bye as far as oil pollution and vehicle-on-oil depence is concerned. Original Message But you're still dependant on oil to manufacture all of the above. Nuh. Only because it's been researched what all can be done with oil and it's wastes, can do that with many things and even other things. Original Message But could you sustain the current diesel consumption with plant-based fuel AND grow food at the same time? Use a bit of the earth oil and stuff for non-combusted skincream, plastic, pharma-lovin, etc, for folks like you, if desired. so oil will be the alternative. and used very sparingly, like it should. Sounds wiser at least. ;o) Original Message By the way, while opposing your claim c.q. question, i know that no one knows this in any reasonable way, yet. that includes you ofcourse also. yet the scaremongering and dismissal are (trying to) set a tone (single business is single business) and on the other hand the free/serious thinkers and strivers are giving it a minimal try. In the way that some people are paid to look into one direction only (find ways to dismiss this (much like bush and the land/people of iraq / saddam ass-ein (they could be true loverboys by the way, bush and hussein, they make a great compatible pair))) I do think that this division will remain, for as long as there is no majority to support either (inside your country or even your country against other countries, or eveb your country with other countries) or if there is a powerstructure that does not listen to what people want even if it is virtually all of them (a la hussein, but he's not an example to follow, is he? or should we SEE HOW GOOD WE ARE BY COMPARING OURSELVES TO SOMEONE WHO IS ONLY A TAD BIT WORSE? that could be one's motivation, ofcourse Excuse the caps, it's the nicest sentence of the lot. ;) End Forwarded Message [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The clash of civilizations and the Great Caliphate
Abraham writes a lot of stuff like this, various conspiracisms and so on. In 1990 he penned a bizarre and ludicous document titled The Greening, a 30,000-word spout of sheer nonsense, heavily laden with paranoia and hatred, presented as some sort of revealed wisdom without substantiation or references other successions of QEDs like Need I say more? or Get the picture? Your own government sets the stage though, definately. people do as they are being done to. knowing or unknowingly, because even unkowingly (being away from closed-door (one can also call it secret) meetings, not knowing people's real intentions (enrichment, power, a false sense of superiority (if anything, true superiority is neither blabla, nor boohaa, but it's sharing, caring, creating an environment for sharing, and so on and so on) this is not merely a philosophy, it's much more like a fact, really. lesser note: as for labels such as terrirists, etc. they are similar or even worse, so that's also very true. However, Bush actually creates an environment for these types of things to florish. In my opinion; he doesn't stop them, he's 'fueling them'. (nice pun huh? though not intended.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] smartcar
And to add my worth: This little car is excellent, inside (very nice to drive) outside (nice looking, sporty, casual and hip without being 1 kind is like all the others (so not 'trendy') and mechanical and electrical (this includes the engine), a real comfort to drive. hamiltonjohndavid wrote: Check it out. The smart mini car from Europe will be available in Canada this fall. 3cyl TurboDiesel, 80Mpg, 16-20g $Cdn in Coupe or Convertible. I want one! http://www.thesmart.ca http://autos.en.msn.ca/advice/standardart.aspx?contentid=4022311src= http://autos.en.msn.ca/advice/standardart.aspx?contentid=4022311src= homepos=editlead Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] smartcar
Also check out the Smart Forfour and the Smart Roadster. This is the normal smart, and the forfour and the roadster are even better in my opinion. Maybe Canada can import those too? ;) hamiltonjohndavid wrote: Check it out. The smart mini car from Europe will be available in Canada this fall. 3cyl TurboDiesel, 80Mpg, 16-20g $Cdn in Coupe or Convertible. I want one! http://www.thesmart.ca http://autos.en.msn.ca/advice/standardart.aspx?contentid=4022311src= http://autos.en.msn.ca/advice/standardart.aspx?contentid=4022311src= homepos=editlead Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] smartcar
Shifting gears, if i'm right, by the way is user selectable at any time with two choices: automatic or by hand, in racestyle, so meaning that poking the gearstick up will increase to a lower gear and down to a higher gear, and i believe there are 5 gears. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bush's world and news sources
I'm sure he won't mind many people being killed then either, because that compliments his logic, ultimately. By time, one would expect all views to be broadened, not tightened. :) news sources In Bush's world, human wants and needs trump Mother Nature and environmental protections http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=1271 India News: And now, electricity from bamboo keralanext.com keralanext.com March 7 2004 http://www.keralanext.com/news/index.asp?id=28595 Hydrogen fuel-cell goals moving closer, industry insiders believe http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/03/07/374083-cp.html Natural gas drying up http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595046900,00.html Wind Energy News http://www.alternate-energy.net/windnews04.html Alternative Energy System Calculators http://www.alternate-energy.net/calculatesystem03.html Farmer wants to build five greenhouses that would be powered by wind turbines http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/Stories/0,1413,106~4992~2001039,0 0.html Alternative Energy Webring http://scripts.cgispy.com/webring/webring.cgi?id=tallex123456 Quebec Studies Wind Energy Options http://www.solaraccess.com/news/story?storyid=6233 Energy guzzlers go http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8884717% 255E2682,00.html Sustainable Development News http://www.alternate-energy.net/sustainabledevelopmentnews03.html News and resources http://www.alternate-energy.net/resources02-1.html Gasoline prices haven't reached cliff yet http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040304-062034-7813r Bright lights on a tiny island http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/content_objectid=140 21995_method=full_siteid=50082_headline=-Bright%2Dlights%2Don%2Da% 2Dtiny%2Disland-name_page.html Add Your Site To The Database http://www.alternate-energy.net/add04.html Alternative Energy Stock News http://www.alternate-energy.net/stocks03.html Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] global warming?
Some scientists say it's not happening, some say it is, some scientists say it's manmade, some say it isn't. Perhaps the ratio between them is even 50%-50% Some scientists are put to work to prove a certain idea, paid, ofcourse, so you will get reports of evidence in whichever way is looked in. Non-paid persons or scientists should however be able and allowed to make up heir own mind, any time. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn
Learn, experiment, be independent (kind of a big keyword there), extrapolate, try to be unbiased and open, and then go learn some more. and this in no particular order Lillie Bennett wrote: Ok I don't know about it. If I knew what you knew, what should I do? Lillie - Original Message - From: jkolling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Lillie Bennett wrote: We in the US are eating it. If it gets out into the wild the natural plants will be a crossbreed of the GM crops. the results are unoverseeable and potentially devastating. you obviously don't know much about plants and breeding them. there are biodynamic ways which will eliminate pesticide use etc also. yet obviously you don't know about it. GMO provides more yield without as much harmful pesticides and saves land area which allows more forests to consume any excess co2. backwards thinking again. eliminate the CO2 emissions first. Not by GM but by harmless energy, for whatever. I'm no expert but it sounds like a good thing. What's wrong with profit? Without it there would be no economy. In your next life, or in this life, please go live in Africa. And by the way, you have an extremely narrow view of what economy is. Lillie - Original Message - From: jkolling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Lillie Bennett wrote: Like genetically modified food but the greens have killed that in Europe and forced Africa to comply, so they starve. Yeah, that's right, treat the symptoms by forcing out more profit and using poor and hungry people to try it on, because they are unresistant. Instead of eliminating the real reasons (rape of the country for all it resources for little, LITTLE money. Happy brainwashin day! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup
a problem. was Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data topscientists warn
I wanted to add something: 1. you can't know what i know, because you haven't spent TIME with what i have, and you haven't read what i've read, seen what i've seen, and so it goes on. Now imagine that you were genetically enhanced, and i was not, you you thought exactly the same as you do now, and i thought exactly the same as i do now, what do you think that would happen? society would give credibility to you, but no attention to me, HOWEVER, i could be right and be unheard, and you could be wrong and given the go ahead at any cost. Are you fine with any concequences that this might or even will bring? Lillie Bennett wrote: Ok I don't know about it. If I knew what you knew, what should I do? Lillie - Original Message - From: jkolling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Lillie Bennett wrote: We in the US are eating it. If it gets out into the wild the natural plants will be a crossbreed of the GM crops. the results are unoverseeable and potentially devastating. you obviously don't know much about plants and breeding them. there are biodynamic ways which will eliminate pesticide use etc also. yet obviously you don't know about it. GMO provides more yield without as much harmful pesticides and saves land area which allows more forests to consume any excess co2. backwards thinking again. eliminate the CO2 emissions first. Not by GM but by harmless energy, for whatever. I'm no expert but it sounds like a good thing. What's wrong with profit? Without it there would be no economy. In your next life, or in this life, please go live in Africa. And by the way, you have an extremely narrow view of what economy is. Lillie - Original Message - From: jkolling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Lillie Bennett wrote: Like genetically modified food but the greens have killed that in Europe and forced Africa to comply, so they starve. Yeah, that's right, treat the symptoms by forcing out more profit and using poor and hungry people to try it on, because they are unresistant. Instead of eliminating the real reasons (rape of the country for all it resources for little, LITTLE money. Happy brainwashin day! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org
Re: a problem. was Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging datatop scientists warn
and this alone will make me think that there must be simply better ways instead of the enourmously scary one that you envision, where, probably, really, 10% orso of all the people will be fine with everything, but 90%+ will be suffering (yes, even more than it is already now, so if you want to be a puppet and portray a fine and worderful picture then you are fooling yourself and potentially also your offspring, now, the problem with this, is that every human being deserves THE SAME chances, because it has the same wants and feelings, EACH and EVERY ONE OF THEM. jkolling wrote: I wanted to add something: 1. you can't know what i know, because you haven't spent TIME with what i have, and you haven't read what i've read, seen what i've seen, and so it goes on. Now imagine that you were genetically enhanced, and i was not, you you thought exactly the same as you do now, and i thought exactly the same as i do now, what do you think that would happen? society would give credibility to you, but no attention to me, HOWEVER, i could be right and be unheard, and you could be wrong and given the go ahead at any cost. Are you fine with any concequences that this might or even will bring? Lillie Bennett wrote: Ok I don't know about it. If I knew what you knew, what should I do? Lillie - Original Message - From: jkolling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Lillie Bennett wrote: We in the US are eating it. If it gets out into the wild the natural plants will be a crossbreed of the GM crops. the results are unoverseeable and potentially devastating. you obviously don't know much about plants and breeding them. there are biodynamic ways which will eliminate pesticide use etc also. yet obviously you don't know about it. GMO provides more yield without as much harmful pesticides and saves land area which allows more forests to consume any excess co2. backwards thinking again. eliminate the CO2 emissions first. Not by GM but by harmless energy, for whatever. I'm no expert but it sounds like a good thing. What's wrong with profit? Without it there would be no economy. In your next life, or in this life, please go live in Africa. And by the way, you have an extremely narrow view of what economy is. Lillie - Original Message - From: jkolling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Lillie Bennett wrote: Like genetically modified food but the greens have killed that in Europe and forced Africa to comply, so they starve. Yeah, that's right, treat the symptoms by forcing out more profit and using poor and hungry people to try it on, because they are unresistant. Instead of eliminating the real reasons (rape of the country for all it resources for little, LITTLE money. Happy brainwashin day! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel
Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn
Lillie Bennett wrote: Like genetically modified food but the greens have killed that in Europe and forced Africa to comply, so they starve. Yeah, that's right, treat the symptoms by forcing out more profit and using poor and hungry people to try it on, because they are unresistant. Instead of eliminating the real reasons (rape of the country for all it resources for little, LITTLE money. Happy brainwashin day! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn
Lillie Bennett wrote: We in the US are eating it. If it gets out into the wild the natural plants will be a crossbreed of the GM crops. the results are unoverseeable and potentially devastating. you obviously don't know much about plants and breeding them. there are biodynamic ways which will eliminate pesticide use etc also. yet obviously you don't know about it. GMO provides more yield without as much harmful pesticides and saves land area which allows more forests to consume any excess co2. backwards thinking again. eliminate the CO2 emissions first. Not by GM but by harmless energy, for whatever. I'm no expert but it sounds like a good thing. What's wrong with profit? Without it there would be no economy. In your next life, or in this life, please go live in Africa. And by the way, you have an extremely narrow view of what economy is. Lillie - Original Message - From: jkolling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Lillie Bennett wrote: Like genetically modified food but the greens have killed that in Europe and forced Africa to comply, so they starve. Yeah, that's right, treat the symptoms by forcing out more profit and using poor and hungry people to try it on, because they are unresistant. Instead of eliminating the real reasons (rape of the country for all it resources for little, LITTLE money. Happy brainwashin day! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn
Hakan Falk wrote: Lillie, Higher yields has been discussed a lot, in Spain it has had very negative consequences. The cocktail of fertilizers and chemicals that goes with it, is outright crazy. that is true also, i forgot about that bit. and GM crops fail a lot. not much left of each harvest when you compare to 'normal' harvest, and even that can be better. The only thing that has been proven, is that it is a smart way to patent and monopolizing food by corporations. More poorness, less rich people and more profit for the few one. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn
Then you probably read it wrong. But let me try to explain it. GMO = Lower yields. Eco = no pesticides but use other methods (biological (natural insects), biodynamic (energetic), etc) Normal = with pesticides, And it has higher yields than GMO crops because a high % fails, and not even normal agriculture is in my opinion good enough, because it can be better, for example by even better cultivation, soilmaintainance, and so on. Lillie Bennett wrote: I wasn't talking about higher yields with fertilizers but with GMO. We offered seed to Africa for free but it was rejected. What has that got to do with patents? Lillie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Homebrewing Biodiesel Workshop, Nov. 29, Saturday, Oakland
i can't attend, will there be a book, video or website available later also? thanks jennifer wrote: I have a few more spaces in my class if you'll be around for Thanksgiving weekend. Email me to reserve a space. Take care, Jennifer Introduction to Homebrewing Biodiesel Workshop 10am - 3pm, Saturday, November 29, Oakland $5-10 sliding scale Learn the basics of making biodiesel, and see the whole process from testing the veggie oil, brewing the biodiesel, washing it, filtering it, and putting it in your vehicle. Bring a delicious dish to share for a potluck lunch. Taught by Jennifer Radtke of the East Bay Biodiesel Internship, BioFuel Oasis, and Berkeley Biodiesel Co-op Please rsvp to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send you directions and more details. __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
