[biofuel] pump size
Between all the exchange between some of our members, I lost sight of the ideal pump size strength for mixing a 45 gallon drum of home brew (filled to 30 gal) Right now I have a 1/3 horse 1 pump. I am about to connect to my reactor. Is this in-/overly/perfectly adequate? Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: My view on diesel cars, and a notable event.
Hi Keith, I have received suggestions that WVO based biodiesel may contain substances not present in its virgin counterpart - nitrosamines, dioxins, acrylamides, and that emissions may be more toxic. I'll keep you posted should I come across anything. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Pierre Keith, I am looking for reports comparing emissions from virgin vegoil biodiesel and watse oil biodiesel. I have left a couple of messages here and there. Do you have any leads? No I don't. The EPA accepted the NBB's data on virgin soy biodiesel as equivalent to all the rest, whatever the feedstock, including WVO. Big-time European producers commonly use WVO, the standards are strict there. Why would there be a difference? Unless it's badly made, not washed properly. Best wishes Keith Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this is interesting: The UC Davis biodiesel study -- Chemical and Bioassay Analyses of Diesel and Biodiesel Particulate Matter: Pilot Study -- Final Report by Norman Y. Kado, Robert A. Okamoto and Paul A. Kuzmicky, Department of Environmental Toxicology, University of California, Davis, California, November 1996. This U.S. Department of Energy study found that the use of pure biodiesel instead of petroleum-based diesel fuel could offer a 93.6% reduction in cancer risks from exhaust emissions exposure. Acrobat file, 3.1Mb. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisBiodiesel.pdf UC Davis biodiesel study -- summary: the Summary, Results and Discussion sections of the report, in html format. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisSumm.html Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] WVO emissions - was Re: My view on diesel cars, and a notable event.
The suggestions come from colleaugues at work, scientists involved in the petroleum industry. They have no knowledge in the area of biofuel, but like to rain on my parade! I understand the burden of proof tactic, however, I see how the herbs industry gets away with quackery because the medical community also leaves them the burden of proof. The naturopaths simply do not prove anything and go on making outlandish claims! Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pierre Or perhaps the burden of proof should be on the accusers? Your authority for shifting it back to where it belongs would be the EPA statement I mentioned (below). Anyway, all three of those things are supposed to be carcinogenic. Whence then the 93.6% reduction in cancer risks from exhaust emissions exposure in the UC Davis biodiesel study? From whom exactly have you received these suggestions, Pierre? Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: My view on diesel cars, and a notable event.
Keith, I am looking for reports comparing emissions from virgin vegoil biodiesel and watse oil biodiesel. I have left a couple of messages here and there. Do you have any leads? Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this is interesting: The UC Davis biodiesel study -- Chemical and Bioassay Analyses of Diesel and Biodiesel Particulate Matter: Pilot Study -- Final Report by Norman Y. Kado, Robert A. Okamoto and Paul A. Kuzmicky, Department of Environmental Toxicology, University of California, Davis, California, November 1996. This U.S. Department of Energy study found that the use of pure biodiesel instead of petroleum-based diesel fuel could offer a 93.6% reduction in cancer risks from exhaust emissions exposure. Acrobat file, 3.1Mb. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisBiodiesel.pdf UC Davis biodiesel study -- summary: the Summary, Results and Discussion sections of the report, in html format. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/UCDavisSumm.html Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Canada - Burying CO2
I happen to work in the federal govenrment of Canada's laboratory that is involoved in the Weyburn project. Although I am not personally involved in the project, I have raised these issues with management in casual hallway conversation. Managers do not want to think of these issues, although I can see in their reactions that they are not totally comfortable with a lot of the things we do. Just like myself, they have a paycheck to protect and a mortgage to pay. The official line is that we are learning and experimenting. That is all fine. But then what? Sure, maybe we will discover from the Weyburn project that CO2 injection does not, after all, acidify water which dissolves limestone reservoirs which weakens and lubricates existing fault planes which releases a belch of CO2 which then kills the inhabitants of neighbouring Weyburn. We may very well discover that the whole idea is fantastic, actually works and is cost effective. After all, one of its aims is to assess the possibility of sequestering CO2 right underneath a coal fired electric generator. But again, then what? The issues remain. To me, the project is a tiny band-aid over a severe amputation. I believe we are kidding ourselves and actually helping the industry in its greenwashing activities. Keeping up our present methods of supporting our lifestyle will only lead us to these paltry little bandaid solutions. While our governments remain in denial in the name of preserving jobs and the economy, the wound will continue to fester. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are we working on burying CO2 when it takes more energy to bury it? Would it not make more sense to grow oil bearing plants that will use the CO2 and provide future oil resources? Would that head more in the direction of a sustainable Eden than wasting energy burying CO2? Very Respectfully, Michael http://www.RecoveryByDiscovery.com Discover how to Recover. Live the Good Life in spite of it All. What are you interested in recovering from? What ideal dream do you want to experience? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] emissions - used veg oil methyl esters vs virgin veg oil methyl esters
A colleague at work suggested to me that used veg oil might contain nitrogen compounds left over from food processing/cooking (plant matter, protein, etc.) This in turn would result in a biodiesel feedstock oil that is not purely veg oil with some free fatty acids. Resulting emissions from used veg oil-based biodiesel may therefore contain carcinogenic nitrous amines, which could make it more carcinogenic than petroleum diesel emissions. Have emissions tests ever taken this factor into account, rather than just testing for emissions typically tested for in dino- diesel? It would obviously not be a factor for emissions from biodiesel based on virgin veg oil. Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
For those of us outside the US, the movie is called Celcius 488 Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Went to see this last night with my son (age 14). He thought it was awesome. Unfortunately, I could not interest any of the women in the party (my wife and sisters) in seeing it, so they went to something fluffy (multi- screen cinema). For those that don't know, this is a Michael Moore movie that touches on the American political scene since the last federal election, including the Florida voting fiasco, and the media-supported disinformation campaign that led up to the invasion of Iraq. While it covers some of the same material as the book Dude, Where's My Country, there is also a major difference in approach and material covered. Not much that will come as news to those of us on the biofuels list. Still, seeing the actual footage of Bush-ites mouthing the words, or the egg- pelting of the Bush II inauguration parade and the Congress (Senators), with Al Gore presiding, repudiating the democratic rights of American voters all resonated for me in a way it did not in print. Should be required viewing for all U.S. voters prior to November 2004. Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Joyeuse St-Jean Baptiste
Joyeuse St-Jean Baptiste tous mes collgues du monde des nergies renouvelables! http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/resource/Canada/StJean.h tm Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Supercritical Reactor - has anyone ever seen one?
Yes, I have. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Do you know of anyone in the whole realm of this group who has ever used a supercritical reactor? As in anywhere? Mark ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] making a conical drum
a colleague at work was discarding a few used 45 gal steel drums. Some had a swollen bottom, perfect for draining glycerin biodiesel. It turns out that those ones were full of water. Over winter, they froze and the ice swelled distorted the drums at their weakest point. There you go! So Canadians can effortlessly make conical drums. Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: climate changes
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Darryl Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Greenhouse effect, global warming and ice age is all related. Our production of the greenhouse gases MAY have speeded up a natural process but it didn't cause it. The bottom line is that it doesn't matter. The chain reaction has already started and nothing that we do at this point will stop or even slow down the climate change. Discussing the cause is really a waste of time. 73 Darryl, We are presently in an interglacial, and many experts believe our climate should be in an overall cooling trend right now, not a warming one. Regardless, over the time of a human lifespan, you are correct in stating that nothing we can do will stop or slow climate change. Over the span of several generations, though, we can slow and stop human induced climate change. Assume humanity went cold turkey today and stopped spewing GHG's into our thin fragile garbage sewer otherwise referred to as the atmosphere. The GHG's we have been emitting until now will continue to dissipate into the atmosphere for a first century. The atmosphere's GHG saturation curve will continue to climb during this period, the global mean temperature along with it. It will then stabilize and the curve will flatten for a second century. During the 3rd century post-today, the curve will decline as the CO2 is absorbed by the oceans. Our positive actions will not affect our world in our lifetimes. We are making selfless decisions for the betterment of our descendants' lives 300 years from now. Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] NaOH Methanol mixing Q
Hello, I can't seem to get lye completely dissolved in the methanol. 3.5g 98.5% NaOH, or 4.5 g NaOH, in 200ml 99.9% methanol - mixing, stirring, letting sit, waiting, magnetic stirring, days and days' waiting, tilting - regardless. There is always a thin white sediment that quickly settles on the bottom of the jar, the liquid is always milky. Is this normal? Is the solution super-saturated? Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] meet in edmonton
Hello Joey, I am also in Edmonton. I would like to meet. I live in Parkallen, just off 109 st, next to the Parkallen Restaurant (BTW, their oil titrates at 4.2 g/l - not bad eh?) Do you make biodiesel? I put an offer on an 88 Jetta in Grande Prairie, if all goes well, I should be driving it home Sunday. I am gathering stuff to build a processor at home. My no. is 988-0622, 987-8663 Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, joeyhundert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Keith, In brief response before I claim my prize of lucid dreaming at the end of a grueling day: I couldn't agree more with your stance on this issue. I'm a hemp food and fibre processor here in Alberta (www.thompsonvalley.com). Aside from the speculative blunders of 1999, no farmer that I know of is planting acres on spec. Conversely, we've seen the prevailing pattern of markets approaching producers - as is mandated in Germany. This leads to complete use of oilseed harvests, with minimal amounts hitting the open market. This has kept the price at a truly sustainable level; by adding fibre to the picture, we can see farmers flourishing on 300 acres instead of subsisting at 10,000. $600/acre is fat living around here. My only impetus for distilling some semblance of hard numbers (albeit, as flawed as any attempt at wholistic number crafting) came out of the need for shocking old-fart minds into seeing new pictures. Let's hope it works. All the best, Joey Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war
Hi Keith. Your assumption is not quite right, although your comments remain insightful. I am French-Canadian (canadien), member of a colonized people. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Pierre, and all This is all quite correct, but you and Balaji are looking at it from different viewpoints, you from that of the society that did the colonising, which should indeed be working on such self- examination, and he from that of a society that was colonised, which now has to get on with life. ... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colonisation was not however an unmitigated disaster for India and had many positives. We are bringing them to Christianity said Slater on the slave ship. An upright and honest judicial system that continued to dispense humane justice in spite of the many black laws enacted by the administration. The British judicial system was only intent upon ensuring the smooth exploitation of India - contracts law - that is what it was all about. Entire generations of Brahman were transformed from being spiritual non-materialistic beacons into judges who would ensure transactions that bled India of its resources. The many voices of conscience from Britain that spoke up for the natives. Churchill's voice rose above them all: naked little fakhir. Voices were raised around the world. Yet the British kept electing racist imperialistic governments The excellent education system which was mostly secular with little attempt at religious proselytisation. To transform Indians into good little servants - engineers, technical workers, etc. to better exploit the nation. Indians left alone would nevertheless have an excellent school system. They have no one to thank. Proselytisation would have spelled an unmanageable jihad against the occupiers. It was a practical choice, nothing more. The basic railroad that has mushroomed into the largest in the world. The railroad was built to move resources and workers. It was a system designed to rob Indians of their resources as efficiently as possible. What Indians did with it after the Brits were booted out is a testament to Indians, not to the British. I think it had partly to do with the British sense of justice and fairplay (it wasn't cricket) and the rule of law most of them abided by back in Britain. What a crock. Where is the fair play in keeping an entire nation subjugated by force of arms?. The fairplay myth is just that, a myth. It may have existed on a coventry cricket field, but it did not exist in any colony of any empire. That's possibly why slave trading initiated by the British in the Americas, was abolished in 1807, long before it happened in the USA. more likely from the extreme guilt associated with being the world's number one and most ruthless slave traders. Regards. balaji good reading on the matter: Freedom struggle http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- /8173044422/qid=1084999512/sr=8-15/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i15_xgl14/103- 3251336-7764659?v=glances=booksn=507846 Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: US poll about Iraq war
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I can add in our defense, is that much more good has come from our use of the land for the good of the world, than from the natives who inhabited it previously. Yes, you too have benefited from Jackson' s quest, so find a better argument about the poor, savage, barbaric, nomadic though culturally rich natives who fell easily to manifest destiny. Their children are being well taken care of, and now have the benefit of electricity, inexpensive housing, internal combustion, oh, and beer. :) Reminds me of Slater,(Ralph Waite), captain of the slave ship in Roots: We're bringing them to christianity! Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] reaction time vs temp
I just viewed the Iowa state U biodiesel web site video: http://www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel/ At one point in the video, the narrator states that reaction will complete at room temp, as long as stirring is longer (1-2 hours at 140 F, 2-4 hours at 105 F, 4-8 hours at room temp.) If so, why bother with heating? just stir it longer? Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] oil heater
Keith, I was thinking of building a 4-5 foot high solar cooker to heat a black-painted drum of veg oil. Ever try it? Pierre Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: 78 mercedes 300d
Hi Ed, here is some of the advice I got: I suggest that you do some research on the car and also ask other 190D owners and see what they say about repair bills. One thing that steered me away from that particular model (when I was looking for a diesel sedan) was that the transmissions didn't last long- 180k for a diesel is not a long time and it seems all the 190D's I looked at had currently or had had previous trans problems. The dash has a tendency to crack and the paint didn't seem to hold up all that well. But there are guys here who REALLY know their stuff on benz'. I'm sure they will weigh in. I'm just a newbie interested in biodiesel. There just happen to Benz and VW diesels kickin around. Otherwise, I would not be interested in these vehicles. Don't get me wrong though, the 78 300D I looked at recently was a beautiful car! Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was said about the mid-eighties 190D? I've been looking at a couple and would appreciate to know what you've learned. Thanks, Ed From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] 78 mercedes 300d Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:20:21 - I was once discouraged from buying a mid-eighties 190D. How about a 1978 300D? I can get one here in for 3000$ (Canadian). It looks to be in pretty good shape. No visible rust. Good glass. The used car salesman claims it has only 124,000 miles. Tranny, interior and body apparently redone. I believe I remember Ed Beggs writing about a similar year 300D. Is it a reliable car? How is it for cold starting? Does it get decent mileage? Can a turbo-charger be installed? Pierre _ Test your `Travel Quotient' and get the chance to win your dream trip! http://travel.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reluctant to fiddle with the admirable brevity of your four- word upsumming Art, but the word ideology can cause some confusion. Whatever their political ideology might be, occupied peoples fighting back share the common motive of rejecting occupation, and I think that's the ideology that counts here. Perhaps the American treatment of the British colonial superpower would illustrate that best. Best Keith This analogy is not quite complete. The US Americans were helped along against one colonial superpower (UK) by another colonial superpower (France). The Afghans also got superpower assistance against the USSR, as did the vietcong against the US. I think a more apt analogy would refer to the irish republican and palestinian causes. These are still both unraveling. Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: 78 mercedes 300d
Jesse, Ed, John James, Thanks for your advice on the mercedes. Sometimes I can't get over all of the help available from this group, the free advice etc. I am very impressed. I hope I will be able to return at least some of it one day. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd suggest you get a turbodiesel if you are getting a 300D. And also, try to find one that has not been redone in any way. There are plenty of very nice rust free Florida, California, and BC rust free examples, it is worth the trip to get a good one. If you cannot afford the turbodiesel, the older 300D non-turbo is still a great choice, and better than the newer 190D by far, but again be sure to get one that's got a good history (one or two owners, no body work, no redone interior etcif its been cared for at all, and is not from the rust belt, it does not need to be redone. They were built to last. Edward Beggs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Preprocessing WVO via centrifuge?
What volumes are we talking about? You could try a hydrocyclone: http://www.krebs.com/ An emulsion is injected tangentially near the fat end of a slender tapered tube. The lighter fraction is separated from the heavier as the emulsion spins down the hydrocyclone's length. The heavier fraction ends up exiting from the distal end (underflow), the lighter comes back up the tube and exits the proximal end (overflow), all in a matter of seconds. It is a continuous separation device that functions quite well, especially when the density differences are significant. It is a common oil/water separation device, popular in offshore platform applications. Would it work for this application? Probably, as long as the emulsion remains fluid. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Robert Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the ongoing quest of finding a better way to preprocess/filter WVO, I am wondering if anyone out there has done anything using centrifuges? Gravity settling works very well, but of course, takes time. A centrifuge seems like a great way to spin out not only particulate contaminates, but also water. I know that folks like Alfa-Laval makes continuous oil centrifuges (even for food industry use), and water/oil separators, but these units are quite large and very expensive..way more than I need. Anyone ever messed with a cream separator? These are available small (even hand crank)..many with variable outputs. Even fabricating a spinning drum (within a catch drum)..with adjustable outlets on the perimeter, center of bottom, and input via top (otherwise closed) seems like it could be worth looking into... Seems like a moderate speed unit may be able to come close to doing away with filter elements. Just curious if any one had explored this? -Rob Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] 78 mercedes 300d
I was once discouraged from buying a mid-eighties 190D. How about a 1978 300D? I can get one here in for 3000$ (Canadian). It looks to be in pretty good shape. No visible rust. Good glass. The used car salesman claims it has only 124,000 miles. Tranny, interior and body apparently redone. I believe I remember Ed Beggs writing about a similar year 300D. Is it a reliable car? How is it for cold starting? Does it get decent mileage? Can a turbo-charger be installed? Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: first batch
That middle layer got centrifuged out today. It is just like vaseline. There are filaments when separate tips of my fingers. I think the stuff is unreacted fat. I'm going to re - treat the biodiesel layer to see if any more drops out, then I will treat more of the original oil at diffrent concentrations of lye. Perhaps the lye is carbonated, if it has sat on a store shelf a long time. I will know when I re-test with various lye concentrations. Todd, I am forwarding you more photos. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pierre, I'm taking the liberty of posting this response on list for general perusal. Could trans-fatty acids be the source of the middle layer? Rather doubtful. We've taken vegetable shortening (partially-hydrogenated/trans-fatty acids) and made perfectly clear biodiesel without problem one. Keith just forwarded to me a photo that Kevin had sent him, showing a similar problem/result as yours. Apparently he was using WVO. My question is What are the two of you doing that is the same? First place I would start is with your lye. Are both of you using the same brand? Do you have an alternative to that brand in Canada, such as Red Devil lye commonly found in the US? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: first batch
I used exactly that type of scale - electronic, .01g accuracy, auto recalibrating to zero at the push of button. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, biobenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does your scale zero off the container? If not you are getting the container PLUS the lye as a weight and that will throw things off considerably. I speak from experience even though I am still in the test batch stage I have already changed scales and that did it. I now use an electronic scale to 400gr at .01gr accuracy which zeros off the container. (a plain small piece of paper will weight as much as 1.5 gr) I have now made my succesul test batch and am in the process of washing it. It got to be perfectly apple-juice clear after setting for three days without washing, but when washed went through the milky white residue ect washing stages) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: first batch
Todd, --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pierre, I'm taking the liberty of posting this response on list for general perusal. Thanks for spending so much time helping out. It's very much appreciated. You've given me enormous feedback. I'll be having a lot of fun with this in the next few days. My question is What are the two of you doing that is the same? Maybe Kevin can give a rundown of his procedure as I did a couple of messages ago. Could you also forward me Kevin's batch's picture? First place I would start is with your lye. Are both of you using the same brand? Do you have an alternative to that brand in Canada, such as Red Devil lye commonly found in the US? It is called Gillett's 100% Lye. The back of the label says 98.5% minimum sodium hydroxide. It also has a recipe for soap. I weighed out the dry lye on an aluminium foil plate. I know aluminum reacts with aqueous NaOH. Perhaps air borne vapour affected something during the weighing? Anyway, I will keep you posted on further results based on the tests you have suggested to me. Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Canadian History (was clean diesels more dangerous)
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well as a Canadian, I figured I'd respond. Actually, when folks call themselves American (or from America), my experience is they are always from the U.S. I've known Mexicans, Argentinians, Brazilians, Guatemalans, and never heard one refer to themselves as an American, or South American or North American. As a Canadian, I would never call myself an American - to me it means a citizen of the U.S.A. Period. Yes, that is the meaning that the term American has taken on. If you want to be technical, though, if you are from tierra del fuego or from iqaluit, you are also american. It's just that the US Americans have not yet found a name for their country, so they settle for a definition: The united states of america, and through an act of cultural imperialism, have appropriated a name that belongs to all of us i.e., american. Many hispanic americans and french americans prefer using the term Estados unidensis or tats-Uniens rather than Americans, (United-statesians) when refering to US Americans. It would be equivalent to the European Union calling itself Europe instead of the EU. Wouldn't be fair to all those other countries in Europe who are not members of the EU. Yes, many Canadians speak more than one language. American is generally more of a dialect though, close to English in many respects. My wife worked in Seville Spain as a Canadian Representative at EXPO 92. She would give her presentation 12 times a day to visitors, in Spanish, then French, then English. One time, after giving her schpiel in spanish, then in french, a visitor stood up in the crowd and bettled out: Why don't you say it in American? To which my wife responded sure and she repeated the whole thing in Spanish. Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: road use tax?
I would spin it this way: I am using methanol to make biodiesel. Once I have made biodiesel, the methanol will be consumed. I will not be using methanol for on- road purposes - it no longer exists, no methanol will be going into my gas tank. I will be using biodiesel. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Mark Finewood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I picked up a 55 gallon drum of methanol today. I told them that I would be using it to make biodiesel. The supplier asked me to sign a form that states that the methanol would be used for off-road purposes only or be subject to a road use tax. Has anyone run across this and how do you handle it? I just said that I plan to use the biodiesel for our tractor and possibly home heating. (I didn't mention that a lot will probably find it's way into my F250 as well.) Is there a way that we can pay the road use tax? I read on the biodiesel.org site that the tax is $0.244 per gallon. Thanks, Mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: first batch
Is it soap? Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sent a message 2-3 days ago. Hasn't shown up yet. I'll try again: Hello fellow biodieselers! I can say that now that I made my first batch. It was just a 1 litre batch, here's how I went about it: - .2 l methanol (99.9%) with 3.5 g gillett lye (100%) shaken in a jar on and off over a few hours - 1 l new canola oil - mixed all together with mechanical stirrer for 2 hours over hotplate maintaining heat around 53 deg C. Settled over night. Top layer (85% total volume) clear honey coloured. Middle layer (8%) white filamentous cottony layer. Bottom layer - almost opaque dark yellow gelatinous. I'm pretty sure what the top and bottom layers are. What about the middle layer? Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] first batch
I sent a message 2-3 days ago. Hasn't shown up yet. I'll try again: Hello fellow biodieselers! I can say that now that I made my first batch. It was just a 1 litre batch, here's how I went about it: - .2 l methanol (99.9%) with 3.5 g gillett lye (100%) shaken in a jar on and off over a few hours - 1 l new canola oil - mixed all together with mechanical stirrer for 2 hours over hotplate maintaining heat around 53 deg C. Settled over night. Top layer (85% total volume) clear honey coloured. Middle layer (8%) white filamentous cottony layer. Bottom layer - almost opaque dark yellow gelatinous. I'm pretty sure what the top and bottom layers are. What about the middle layer? Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: biofuel for railroads
This paper might be useful: http://www.tc.gc.ca/tdc/projects/rail/e/5337.htm http://www.tc.gc.ca/tdc/publication/pdf/14100/14106e.pdf Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, rayergirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am doing a research paper for school, am i am pushing for trains to swith to biofuel. Any information about whether it has been studied and also, are there tax exemptions for using biofuel or alternative fuels? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] jatropha enzymatic transesterification
x-charset ISO-8859-1non-chemical production of biodiesel http://pubs.acs.org/cgi- bin/sample.cgi/enfuem/2004/18/i01/html/ef030075z.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] Life on the research farm
x-charset ISO-8859-1Life on the research farm http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040226.wstrauss0226/ BNStory/Front/ By STEPHEN STRAUSSGlobe and Mail Update Thursday, Feb. 26, 2004 Let me fill you this week with images of endlessly ejaculating pigs, endlessly omnivorous chickens and the endlessly bumpy future of GM agriculture. Virtually buried by other news stories last week was the account of Three Genetically Modified Big Pigs who accidentally had been turned into chicken feed. The pigs were part of several strains of animals on a Quebec research farm to which genes have been added in the hopes of creating what you might call pharmaceuticalized sperm. More specifically, one of the pigs carried the genes that produces human follicle- stimulating hormone and another carried a gene for pig follicle-stimulating hormone. These are substances which are given to women and animals to induce them to super-ovulate - that is release a lot of eggs to be used in in vitro fertilization. The third pig carried the gene for EPO, the growth hormone which of late has become notorious for its use by athletes in what is known as blood doping. The idea is to harvest these chemicals from pig's sperm. How much of much sperm can there be, you might wonder? Jean-Francois Huc, recently installed president of TGN Biotech which created the pigs, says you can gather anywhere from 250 to 750 millilitres of sperm several times a week. The harvesting mechanisms are stainless steel, pig-shaped dummies which boars mount and ejaculate into. I don't think you can hit me with any jokes about this I haven't heard, Mr. Huc told me with a little sigh about the boarish milking technology. TGN thinks the fact that you can produce a lot of pigs quickly roughly 30 piglets per sow per year means that it is more efficient to breed porcine bioreactors than use other animals as your living drug-making laboratory. It's also true that if the expression of the drug is only in sperm and that is good because the seminal gland is very isolated more than that of the milk-producing mammary gland from other parts of the body. However good or icky you might find the process, there are also regulations in place which say that never, ever should animals so altered get into the food supply of either animals or humans. But, the week before last they did. Three roughly 200 kilogram sows were accidentally put in the bin of animals to be sent to the rendering plant by a tractor operator. A technician who was supposed to double- check what bodies went where then also goofed. At the renderers the pigs were boiled down and turned into some of the fat and protein raw material of chicken food. Two days later TGN discovered its error and immediately notified the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, which quickly initiated a recall operation. And that produced an interesting first truth. In two days what had been 600 kilograms of pig had been mixed into 7 tonnes of chickenfeed by four mills. By the time that the mistake had been discovered some of the feed had already made it to farms and maybe made it down some chickens' gullets. That is to say, when something enters the food supply it gets spread far and wide very quickly. Secondly, there are two ways of looking at the incident. One is that the system which tries to keep genetically modified pig bioreactors out of the food supply is very good at reacting to an emergency and fixing the problem. The other is that these are very early days in the creation of an animal-based biotechnology industry. This is the second time in two years that pigs have accidentally entered the animal feed food chain. We don't want this to happen. Not I daresay because these particular animals who after all weren't boars and weren't expressing any of the pharmaceuticals in their bodies necessarily posed a health threat to chickens who are renowned for eating everything. Rather, in what looks increasingly like a future in which there will be food agriculture and non-food agriculture, for general peace of mind we have to make sure that we absolutely separate the two end points of dead animal. Which brings me to a third realization. What, you may wonder, would ordinarily have happened to TGN's Three Big Pigs? Incineration, says Mr. Huc tartly. That for sure gets rid of the animals, but it also destroys what has been up to now a gruesome, but virtuous, cycle of animal use. If we are interested in respecting the spirit of recycling, it is better to turn animals into other things we use rather than so much smoke and ash. That is, in general, rendering is a good thing. If the long-term answer is to make something good out of the corpses of GM animals, the Toronto-based Biox Corporation may soon present an interesting option. Using a process developed at the University of Toronto, later this year the company will start producing biodiesel fuel
[biofuel] BMW diesel
x-charset ISO-8859-1Anyone have experience with diesel bimmers? I am presently looking at a 1986 E28 TD - any advice would be appreciated. Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] Re: America has gone super-sized
x-charset ISO-8859-1Although we still have some catching up to do, Western Canada is also definitely part of the supersize market. Ah the turmoil caused by our excesses... Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good one. On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:09:09 -, you wrote: America has gone super-sized http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040219.wlett0219 / BNStory/International/ By ALAN FREEMAN Globe and Mail Update Washington I knew that something was up when I wandered into the drugstore next door to The Globe and Mail's Washington office looking for a soft drink and realized that the smallest size available was a neat 20 ounces. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] America has gone super-sized
x-charset ISO-8859-1America has gone super-sized http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040219.wlett0219/ BNStory/International/ By ALAN FREEMAN Globe and Mail Update Washington I knew that something was up when I wandered into the drugstore next door to The Globe and Mail's Washington office looking for a soft drink and realized that the smallest size available was a neat 20 ounces. It probably dates me but I still remember when the classic Coca-Cola bottle contained 6 ?ounces of the stuff and the new king-size bottles were a generous 10 ounces. Who could drink 20 ounces of carbonated brown syrup in one go and not explode? Looking around me, I soon realized that 292 million Americans do it every day and think nothing of it. After living in Europe for the past seven years, spending five weeks in Middle America was something of a shock. At times I began to think that all of American society had gone on steroids. From soft drinks to cars to houses and sadly, to people, America has gone super-sized. Sure, Europeans are getting fatter and there's considerable gnashing of teeth about too much sugar and fat in the daily diet in Italy and France. There's worry in Britain that children are no longer walking to school and spending too much time at their computers rather than shivering on rain-soaked soccer pitches kicking around a ball. But nothing prepared me for Des Moines, Iowa, in mid-January. It was like the scene from a science fiction film after some nuclear disaster. Not a soul could be spotted walking down the cold, windswept streets. Instead, massive SUVs with hefty names like Escalade, Navigator and Yukon cruised around like earthbound aircraft carriers, disappearing into the massive parking garages that abutted every highrise office building. When I wondered who exactly would need such huge vehicles to get and from the convenience store, I thought again when I saw the size of the people climbing in and out of the front seat. When I checked out the scene at 801, Des Moines's classiest steakhouse and a favourite with the journalists and politicos who had crowded into town for Iowa's presidential caucuses, I was taken aback to learn that the most popular item on the menu was a 24-ounce Porterhouse. For those who thought it was too much like an appetizer, I was told, there was also a 40-ounce Porterhouse. As a friend commented later, Why not just eat the whole cow? When checking into hotels, the desk clerk would sometimes apologize for the fact that all the King-size beds were taken. Considering the fact that I was travelling alone, a double bed seemed more than adequate to me. On TV, it was clear something was going on. If it wasn't low-carb beer or low-carb bread that was being advertised, it was the miraculous Ab-Flex or the tread mill you could fold up and slide beneath your king-sized bed. Yet at the same time, I remember an ad for a brand of ready-made macaroni which had just increased its standard size by 50 per cent because it said that growing kids couldn't get enough of it. All of this just confirmed a pet theory of mine, that the problem in America is that food and gas are simply too cheap. When it costs you $100 (Canadian) to fill your gas tank, as it does when I go to the service station in London in my ancient VW Passat, you think twice of buying a mastodon that gets half the mileage. Likewise, when your home refrigerator is the size of one that would look fine in Barbie and Ken's kitchen, there's simply no place for super-sized tubs of ice cream or soft drink containers that require a forklift for pouring. Cheap gas is another pernicious influence. With the help of abundant land and tax-subsidized mortgages, it has suburbanized America and destroyed public transit in most cities. And in turn that all helps make people fatter still. When people use buses or subways, they're forced to move around to get somewhere. There's always the walk to the bus stop or the climb up the stairs in the subway station. And unlike working out in the gym, walking home from your neighbourhood shopping street or local school laden with parcels or schoolbooks costs nothing, burns calories and is easily integrated into a daily routine. Whether it was Nashua, New Hampshire or Columbia, New Hampshire, I never seemed to have to walk more than a few metres from my parked car to a restaurant for a meal or a high-school auditorium for a political rally. Not to say that there aren't some advantages to America's love affair with size. Parking is a breeze because parking lots are massive and individual spaces appear to be twice as wide as the standard one at a European parking garage. And if you're inclined to be frugal, you can always order just one portion of linguini or fajitas at an American restaurant and feed a family of five with it, with some left over for a doggie bag to take home and put in your commercial-sized refrigerator. Yet
[biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn
x-charset ISO-8859-1Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn By OLIVER MOOREGlobe and Mail Update Wednesday, Feb. 18, 2004 Twenty Nobel laureates are among the scores of scientists who on Wednesday accused the Bush administration of using dubious science to gain public support for its policies. In an open letter, the Union of Concerned Scientists charges that supposedly independent advisory panels have been manipulated to suppress or minimize findings contrary to the White House's political agenda. Russell Train, a Republican who served as EPA administrator under both Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, said that he never once felt any pressure from either of those presidents. But on Wednesday he told a conference call: how times have changed. Representatives of the group said that this manipulation has been done by appointing unqualified or biased people to the advisory panels, by disbanding some existing panels, by suppressing reports and by forgoing independent scientific advice. The concerns we raise here at not academic abstractions, said Kurt Gottfried, Cornell professor of physics and chairman of the UCS. The cavalier attitude toward science that has provoked us to speak out can produce tangible damage to the health, wellbeing and security of all of us, for generations to come. In some cases, another member of the group said, politicizing ostensibly neutral scientific advice can leave the public at great risk. One of the most egregious cases mentioned in the report was the issue of the panel on appropriate levels of mercury and lead in paint, and in the environment in general, said Neal Lane, a former director of the National Science Foundation and a former presidential science adviser. To appoint people who have clear conflicts of interest, because of their association with the paint industry, to panels that have to make difficult judgments on the scientific basis for limiting the amount of lead that is available in the environment, you could in fact do harm to hundreds of thousands of young people. The substance of the letter which was signed by 60 prominent U.S. scientists, including Nobel Prize winners Steven Weinberg and James Cronin (physics) and Eric Kandel and Harold Varmus (biology) was denied by the White House. I can assure you that this is an administration that makes decisions based on the best available science, Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan told Reuters. He also said that the Bush administration had worked on an independent peer review process to look at how science is used in regulatory decisions. Dr. Lane said that scientists understand that politicians must make their decisions based on any number of factors, not just the science, but he warned that efforts to fudge the data have gone so far that leading policy-makers simply don't know what they don't know. I've become increasingly concerned, even alarmed, by the Bush administration's actions to manipulate the government's scientific advisory system. Even, I think, to prevent the administration or the upper-level policy-makers of the administration from hearing any advice that might run counter to its political agenda, he said on a conference call with Dr. Train and Dr. Gottfried. What you must not have is people on these panels who are unqualified, who have clear conflicts of interest, who have strong ideological views that have been publicly expressed on issues that run counter to the science. That simply confuses the information that then is provided to the policy-makers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] Re: SVO/diesel mix in Calgary diesel vehicles
x-charset ISO-8859-11) Oops! I originally read it in the Calgary Herald - sorry about the confusion and switched city names. 2) B20 instead of SVO? That is a major journalistic error! CanWest needs to correct that! Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting. Two problems, though: 1) Not in Calgary. At least that's not the focus of the article...it's about the Vancouver area trials of B20. 2) It's B20, not SVO. The pilot project in five Lower Mainland cities takes recycled grease from fast-food restaurants and mixes it with diesel. It's that one stupid oversimplified statement that gives the wrong impression. I was told of the article, this morning, from a technical oils guy in Vancouver. Smart fella, in the oils biz, he read it, and still with his level of background and interest he was convinced it was not biodiesel. But it is. Just another B20 program, folks, not that that is a bad thing...but we're going to be getting trials started soon of a *real* SVO system on fleet trucks and buses, alongside the B20. and that would be V100 Edward Beggs http://www.biofuels.ca On Wednesday, February 11, 2004, at 09:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fast food aroma replaces toxic whiff of diesel fumes Monday, February 09, 2004 Kent Spencer The Province http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=0ee1d616-8107-40df- b4de- f3de1da2bc75 Some drivers are feeling better about foul-smelling diesel trucks after toodling around in ones powered by french-fry grease. The pilot project in five Lower Mainland cities takes recycled grease from fast-food restaurants and mixes it with diesel. Its supporters, including City of Richmond vehicle fleet manager Ken Fryer, cite a study which found the fuel cuts harmful emissions by 24 per cent. Alternative fuels is who I am. We believe in this stuff, says Fryer, 49, who has dabbled in natural gas-powered cars and new combustion systems since his days as a college student in Ontario. We want to do our part for the environment. Fryer manages a fleet of 500 vehicles, including loaders, forklifts, garbage trucks, street cleaners, pickups. The five Lower Mainland cities -- the others are Vancouver, Burnaby, Delta and North Vancouver City -- are testing the viability of bio- fuels. The fuel aims to make diesel more environmentally friendly by adding used cooking oil, animal fats and/or oils from grains such as canola and soybean. The smell of french fries is a little added bonus for truck drivers used to inhaling toxic diesel fumes. The guys say it smells of french fries after it burns, says Fryer. That's a lot better than diesel. All that rotten, gucky stuff is gone. Adds Delta fleet manager Curtis Rhodes: The truck smells like a McDonald's kitchen. People chuckle about it because diesel fumes can be horrible. They'd sooner smell food. Ian Thomson of North Vancouver's Canadian Bio Fuels Corp. says it works because the diesel is a pressure-ignited machine designed to run on vegetable oil. Rudolf Diesel invented the engine 110 years ago to run on vegetable oil so farmers could be self-sufficient, he says. It burns hotter than diesel and combusts more completely. The Enivronmental Protection Agency in the U.S. -- where bio-fuel is used in 300 fleets -- shows a 24-per-cent reduction in most harmful chemicals. The B-20 fuel is mixed up in a ratio of 20 per cent bio and 80 per cent diesel. In the Lower Mainland, tests are being carried out on two vehicles per municipality: dump trucks as well as heavier street cleaners. The results will be scientifically measured for tailpipe emissions and presented as a report. Problems preventing widespread adoption are availability and price. The bio-fuel has to be shipped from California, resulting in a cost up to 10 cents per litre more than diesel's 70 cents a litre. But Thomson plans to produce bio-diesel locally, using a process in which the raw ingredient is treated with alcohol. We're trying to make it a viable business, he says. Fryer says the saving in noxious chemicals from the city's 50 heavy trucks would be huge -- they burn 2.3 million litres of diesel a year. But he admitted the public has to buy into the higher costs associated with the project. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=0ee1d616-8107-40df- b4de- f3de1da2bc75 Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM --
[biofuel] Re: SVO/diesel mix in Calgary diesel vehicles
x-charset ISO-8859-1Ernest, Sorry about the mistake - it is linked to the fact I read it originally in the Calgary Herald - the name Calgary got subconcsiously substituted into the subject line! I am of the opinion that Canadians know very little about their own country. - Now why should I expect a foreigner to know more about Canada than Canadians do? I will not rib you at all regardless of your level of knowledge about Canada. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi Pierre! i know we Amerikuns take a (possibly deserved) high amount of ribbing WRT our ignorance of all things Canadian, but i didn't see anything in here about Calgary, and it would appear this article is from The Vancouver Province; am i missing something? cheers! e Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] SVO/diesel mix in Calgary diesel vehicles
x-charset ISO-8859-1 Fast food aroma replaces toxic whiff of diesel fumes Monday, February 09, 2004 Kent Spencer The Province http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=0ee1d616-8107-40df-b4de- f3de1da2bc75 Some drivers are feeling better about foul-smelling diesel trucks after toodling around in ones powered by french-fry grease. The pilot project in five Lower Mainland cities takes recycled grease from fast-food restaurants and mixes it with diesel. Its supporters, including City of Richmond vehicle fleet manager Ken Fryer, cite a study which found the fuel cuts harmful emissions by 24 per cent. Alternative fuels is who I am. We believe in this stuff, says Fryer, 49, who has dabbled in natural gas-powered cars and new combustion systems since his days as a college student in Ontario. We want to do our part for the environment. Fryer manages a fleet of 500 vehicles, including loaders, forklifts, garbage trucks, street cleaners, pickups. The five Lower Mainland cities -- the others are Vancouver, Burnaby, Delta and North Vancouver City -- are testing the viability of bio- fuels. The fuel aims to make diesel more environmentally friendly by adding used cooking oil, animal fats and/or oils from grains such as canola and soybean. The smell of french fries is a little added bonus for truck drivers used to inhaling toxic diesel fumes. The guys say it smells of french fries after it burns, says Fryer. That's a lot better than diesel. All that rotten, gucky stuff is gone. Adds Delta fleet manager Curtis Rhodes: The truck smells like a McDonald's kitchen. People chuckle about it because diesel fumes can be horrible. They'd sooner smell food. Ian Thomson of North Vancouver's Canadian Bio Fuels Corp. says it works because the diesel is a pressure-ignited machine designed to run on vegetable oil. Rudolf Diesel invented the engine 110 years ago to run on vegetable oil so farmers could be self-sufficient, he says. It burns hotter than diesel and combusts more completely. The Enivronmental Protection Agency in the U.S. -- where bio-fuel is used in 300 fleets -- shows a 24-per-cent reduction in most harmful chemicals. The B-20 fuel is mixed up in a ratio of 20 per cent bio and 80 per cent diesel. In the Lower Mainland, tests are being carried out on two vehicles per municipality: dump trucks as well as heavier street cleaners. The results will be scientifically measured for tailpipe emissions and presented as a report. Problems preventing widespread adoption are availability and price. The bio-fuel has to be shipped from California, resulting in a cost up to 10 cents per litre more than diesel's 70 cents a litre. But Thomson plans to produce bio-diesel locally, using a process in which the raw ingredient is treated with alcohol. We're trying to make it a viable business, he says. Fryer says the saving in noxious chemicals from the city's 50 heavy trucks would be huge -- they burn 2.3 million litres of diesel a year. But he admitted the public has to buy into the higher costs associated with the project. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=0ee1d616-8107-40df-b4de- f3de1da2bc75 Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] Re: Current Ice Age
x-charset ISO-8859-1Actually, we are technically in an interglacial period. Ice age is a glacial period Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Brah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually we're still technically in an ice age. Most of the time the planet doesn't have large sheets of ice covering its surface, but when it does it usually lasts around a hundred thousand years. The current ice caps are around forty thousand years old, so the warm period we currently enjoy is likely just a brief spell between glaciations. -BRAH Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] Interesting Canadian invention
x-charset ISO-8859-1Also visit the patent link within the article Veuillez aussi visiter le lien qui mène au brevet états-unien www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/01/19/hydrogen040119 Pierre Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] modern intensive livestock farming
x-charset ISO-8859-1Animal factories: So-called factory farms produce food efficiently, but raise a stink among environmentists and animal welfare advocates They're big. They're often noisy. And they can really stink. A smell that will rot your socks. A smell that comes from the mountains of dung produced in animal factories that can poison the air you breathe and water you drink. Welcome to the world of modern intensive livestock farming, where calves, pigs and other animals that always look so cute on TV commercials spend their days getting ready to become a hamburger or chicken nugget. The general public don't know what's going on, says Prof. Ian Duncan, an animal behaviour expert at the University of Guelph, Ontario's foremost academic agricultural centre. If they knew, they would object. Estimates vary but about 650 million animals are raised each year across Canada on factory farms, otherwise known as intensive livestock operations or confined animal feeding operations. And they produce mountains of manure - about 164 billion kilograms annually. Manure, even in tiny amounts, can be dangerous to humans if it gets into their food or water. It's very worrying, says Duncan. There is a problem there. A pig produces several kilograms of waste a day. A cow five times as much. In the right doses and used properly, all that poop is a hugely valuable fertilizer that helps crops grow. Farmers have known that forever. But the massive amount of waste produced by modern factory farms in a relatively small area presents dangers to the environment and therefore to human health. The waste produced by animals in hog barns or intensive feedlots ends up not as a cow patty on a field but as liquid manure, a toxic soup that contains bacteria of the kind that killed seven people in Walkerton, Ont., in 2000. It can also be loaded with the antibiotics given to animals. Lots of exposure to anitbiotics can make bugs drug- resistant and treatment more difficult if people get sick. The dark brown ooze is usually stored in open-air ponds before being piped or taken by tanker truck to a field where it is sprayed or injected as fertilizer. If the pond leaks, the tanker truck is in a crash or too much is sprayed in the wrong place or at the wrong time, the guck can end up polluting underground water sources or streams, rivers and lakes. The agri-biz companies say there is no need to worry. Liquid manure is a valuable, natural fertilizer that is absolutely safe, says Dick Wright, president of Community Pork Ventures and Quadra Group in Outlook, Sask. The company produces 300,000 piglets a year at 20 Prairie sites along with about 300 million litres of manure which is stored in large earthen tanks. When ready for use, it is piped to a tractor-mounted system that injects the slurry into 200 hectares of field around the barns. There's not rivers of this stuff running along the ground, says Wright. It's like one-third of an inch rainfall. It's almost nothing. Still, factory farms have caused a major stink in communities as far- flung as Ste-Marie-De-Kent, N.B., Paisley, Ont., and Tisdale, Sask. In Quebec, a lot of water pollution has been linked to intensive hog production. Pig barns have been blamed for pollution that has permanently closed five Ontario beaches on Lake Huron, although some farmers dispute that. It's not just the effect on water that is troubling. Decomposing liquid manure emits hundreds of chemicals including ammonia and hydrogen sulfide. Studies show that people living near a factory farm or working there tend to have more breathing and lung problems. The Canadian Medical Association has warned about a serious risk to public health in rural areas. In Alberta, the Natural Resources Conservation Board dealt with almost 1,000 complaints against factory farms in its first year. About one-third related to water-quality issues; about 40 per cent related to smell and other nuisance problems. Regulating intensive farm operations and protecting the environment are provincial and municipal responsibilities, and the rules differ across the country. Critics of factory farms maintain that right-to- farm legislation generally trumps environmental concerns. Provinces have regulations, but they're not always enforced, says Cathy Holtslander, an organizer with Project Beyond Factory Farming, a national coalition of farm, environmental and other groups. One problem is that there's no fixed definition for factory farm. Many in the industry simply say there's no such thing. The basic idea is that such operations keep large numbers of animals - more than 200 beef cows or 1,000 sows, say. The largest operations in the United States produce three million pigs a year. Size is not the only issue. Factory farms are also designed to produce suitably fattened slaughter-ready animals as quickly as possible or squeeze out as much milk or as
[biofuel] Re: rant F-ing Bosch!
x-charset ISO-8859-1That's right, it could be because it is a big corporation, with a few bitter employees whose positions are protected by the union, or it could be a bosch thing, we don't know. But I believe it is beyond unfair to say that it is because they are german! It is not ethnic origin that mads your experiences so negative. Let us not forget that in the US, the largest ethnic origin, by far, is German, (nearly 60 million!) - English is a very distant 3rd at around 23 million (US bureau of statistics website) - The germans have brought enormous creativity, ingenuity and their vision of culture and intellectual pursuit to the US. The US would be a very different place today were it not for them. Pierre (not German) --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know, Hakan. It's an unfair generalization. It's just that on the, admittedly few, occasions that I've had to deal with German businesses it's been like beating my head against a wall. It could just be that they've been big corporations, and they're just behaving like big corporations everywhere. It was that enviro-crackpots crack that really got me, though. AP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] Re: MODERATOR'S MESSAGE - PLEASE READ
Were the west running on biodiesel, this topic (as interesting as it was) would not even have come up! Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thread: Fwd: FW: Feeling Patriotic? is now closed. No more messages on this topic please. Keith Addison List owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Brittle Power
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