RE: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables
Sounds good to me Good luck raw -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:32 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables Hi James, In most bootstrapping businesses that I experienced and have seen, your comment is a very important part. In a market it is many activities of promotion. In the beginning most of them from local environment, but also from large players that want to prime the markets. This is going on now, with the new green look of Big oil and other things. They know that a change is coming and spend money on preparing, not on deliver products. This is a part of what creates the famous window of opportunity, were a small supplier can grow big. The phase after that is when the market is big and established enough for the large companies. That is when they buy the available market shares, in order to get the needed volumes, but many times some startups continue on their own and even buy others. This creates the newcomers in the Big companies. The moment that the buy up period starts, the window of opportunity closes rapidly. The ticket to entry the market get too expensive for a small/medium large company. Many of the startups also becomes important suppliers to the Big whatsoever. If you are too early in a market and want to be big, you have a good chance to fail. If you are too late, you cannot afford the ticket. If you hit the window, it is a fair chance to be successful. This is why the entrepreneur is so important. He enters early and small because of enthusiasm and is often stubborn enough to stay until the window of opportunity opens. He is successful not because of smartness, but because of enthusiasm and stubbornness and that is probably the only common factor among successful entrepreneurs. Hakan At 03:59 PM 12/9/2002 -0800, you wrote: Hi Hakan, On the note of Socitial Acceptance, it is more than just a Big vs. Small issue, it is a usage issue by the public. If a consumer 'perceives' some sort of limitation in the acceptance and usage of a alternative fuel, then the business case will have to overcome and be able to sustain that perception for a period of time. Ethanol and Biodiesel are still somewhat stigmatized, although there is push to overcome this at many levels. Last year ADM was running ads on television for ethanol, which I can only assume is priming the market. Quite effective for prepairing folks to make a switch to an alterantive fuel. By the time they do sell E85 in a market, there will be enough interest to sustain that market until the economies of scale come into play. This actually benefits the small producer as his product is locally produced and sold, thus lowering his overhead. The small producer benefits from the blanket media infusion of a Big Alternative Fuels. The only thing the Big AF has to do is void the credability of the small producer to maintain the market. And the only thing the small producer has to do is secure enough local contracts to maintain the business. It then becomes more of a niche market for the local producer, which can also be very lucrative. Lots of niche markets survive out there and do extreemely well. If I was a small producer, I would try to distinguish my product from Big AF, maybe in utilizing an all organic feedstock, or maybe emphasizing my local community connections, or even the nature of my feedstock source such as using WVO as opposed to using GMO crop residue, etc. A great amount of marketing leaway here. ;-) James Slayden On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Hakan Falk wrote: Hi James, Very good, a lot in a short message. This idea about biofuel business start to be more work than I originally thought. Taking the idea of a business, does put some real sustainable demands on the thoughts. Every time I get a few moments to think about it, several new ideas pops up in my mind, nearly as frequent as the irritating pop-up ads on Internet. 1. Crops and trees give some burnable residues for BD also. 2. Good point about WVO, so a sustainable BD business need to be based on SVO. 3. I see more and more recycling plants for WVO to BD. Large Spanish interests are putting up 4 of them and are starting to pay for WVO. This supports your thoughts. 4. Social acceptance is a good one and touch very much the table (presentation) big vs. small that I still thinking about. How do you present and evaluate this kind of things. Hakan At 08:36 PM 12/6/2002 -0800, you wrote: Hi Hakan, The net energy in Cellulose based ethanol might be higher if the lingin is burned for processing. Since there is issues burning the Glyc from BD it wouldn't add to the BD net energy. The window of opportunity is really dependent on feedstock availability which really isn't decreasing. It might be that with WVO as the feedstock a baseline commodity pricing structure will occur, but
RE: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine
Is this a car sales site? Raw -Original Message- From: Christopher Witmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 1:44 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine Anyone familiar with the Perkins D3152 engine? I have located one that is about 25 or 30 years old and has 86 hours on it (run twice each month just to keep tabs on it). The metal tag on the unit says D3-152I. Am I correct in my understanding that this is a three-cylinder, 2.5 liter engine? Any opinions on this engine or its suitability for conversion to SVO use would be appreciated. And if anyone has any literature on it or a closely related engine, I'd love to know! Thanks, Christopher Witmer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Fw: Search for Biodiesel Technology partner
Yes, I might be interested too raw -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:29 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fw: Search for Biodiesel Technology partner Greetings everyone, I am looking for some help in selecting a partner to assist in building a biodiesel plant in Asia. Would like to get the latest technology i.e. using grease trap waste to be converted to useable biodiesel without residual waste water etc. I know there will be some residual useable by product such as glycerin and fertilizer. Can anyone recomend who I can turn to for a cost effective yet technological advanced plant set up. I have gotten a couple of leads: Pacific Biodiesel Inc in Hawaii and an European company BDI - BioDiesel International based in Germany. Are there any others whom I can turn to? Thanks. Edmund Lo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Edmund See: Biodiesel technology http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#tech I think ENERGEA or E-I-A Warenhandels may be what you're looking for, full details at that url. You might also talk to Russ Teall at Biodiesel Industries in the US, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best wishes Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] HELP PLEASE
can you let me know how much molasses is available per year? best regards raw -Original Message- From: FARMFEED [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 6:44 AM To: BIOFUEL USERGROUP Subject: [biofuel] HELP PLEASE Hi I am an animal nutritionist based in Zambia, Africa. I have encouraged several of my clients to buy extruders to make full fat soya and more recently to buy expellers to remove the oil from the full fat cake to produce high fat soya cake (6-8 % oil) which has wider nutritional applications. Legislation in Zambia does not allow the retailing of crude soya oil and the going price to the refineries is US$0.5/kg, compared with US$0.7/litre for fossil diesel. This diesel price is extremely expensive for us compared with neighbouring countries and is one of our biggest input costs for agriculture. I can buy NaOH for US$0.61/kg. I am now trying to see if the farmers can further add value to their crops by making BD. I have downloaded quite lot from the internet and have ordered the From the Fryer to the Fueltank book. I would be grateful if someone could help me with the following: 1.A method (or website reference) to make BD from ethanol rather than methanol as I believe ethanol is safer to work with. 2.Some help with making ethanol from sugarcane molasses. The locally available ethanol is very expensive at US$0.97/litre. I can buy molasses for about US$5.00/ton 3.I would like to know a typical yield of BD per litre of raw vegetable oil Many thanks Peter. Peter D.M. de Wet FARMFEED LTD POSTNET BOX 442 P/BAG E891 LUSAKA ZAMBIA E-MAIL : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Vermont Production Expands
Yes I am interested. I am in Brisbane, Australia. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] by by Robert Wenham -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 11:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Vermont Production Expands I am a student at Middlebury College, VT, with a grant from the National Wildlife Federation (http://www.nwf.org/campusecology/fellowProfile.cfm?fid=37). I have been reading from this group for some time but haven't posted- SO PLEASE READ ON. I thought it appropriate to introduce myself to those in New England interested in promoting biodiesel's use. I am holding workshops at Middlebury demonstrating production and providing information to those interested. Currently, I am driving a VW Jetta run on the College's vegetable oil and we also have a tractor that will be run on biodiesel. We produce our fuel at the local high school where students are involved in coordination with their education. At Middlebury, we are also promoting an organization called OBEC (Organization of Biodiesel Environmental Chemists). This group is composed to those interested in making their own fuel while in communication with other members of the wider biodiesel community. We are currently in the process of building our website to gain a broader membership. Anyone interested (throughout the world) is welcome to e-mail me. We do not send obnoxious e-mails but rather provide information to those who are looking for assistance in their local area from other knowledgeable people. If you are interested, please e-mail me. Ron Schildge MC Box 2017 Middlebury, VT 05753 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
