Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
Jan / James, You've been good help!! I'm going to do some tests this coming week. Thanks so much!! Any other inputs are still welcome!! best regards, Ken - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Jan, Ken, I have pushed the procedure to double the acid amount in the first phase, dewatered and went to the second phase (base base) in small batches without problem. I suggest testing in small amounts and working up a procedure that fits the product. This will take some time to do but when you get it you can get repeatbility thereafter. I did use Venturi acid introduction so that perhaps makes a big difference as well. Jim From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:48:10 +0100 If you have that much tri-glycerides you may most likely do one acid esterification followed by one base trans-esterification. Just check the FFA value after the first step after removal of the (acidic) water phase. If the FFA value is 5%, go as described above, in any other case as described before. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Thanks again Jan. Its 71.8% FFA. But doing acid esterification twice? Do you finish with a base transesterification after the two acid esterification? Please pardon my ignorance. Can you expound a bit. First time to hear about acid esterification twice. Appreciate very much your help on the matter. Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate No, if you are working with 100% free fatty acids, you will have to do the ACID esterification twice with water content evapoation inbetween With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Thanks Jan, So you are saying that Aleks Kac's two stage process is the way to go on this one? Start with the acid-based stage and finish with the base-based stage. That's doing it twice right? Am doing small batches on the single stage base process (about 100 liters veg. oil). Will blending this with new veg. oil make a difference? Been reading the Foolproof Method over and over again to familiarize myself. Looks like it. Much thanks again. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hello Ken, fatty acids are possible to esterify with an acid catalyst. The formed water has to be drawn off, so it is always nice to start with a low water content. Performed correctly, the esterification will produce 90-95% esters. Usually these kinds of reactions are performed twice for a good conversion grade. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter
Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
Thanks again Jan. Its 71.8% FFA. But doing acid esterification twice? Do you finish with a base transesterification after the two acid esterification? Please pardon my ignorance. Can you expound a bit. First time to hear about acid esterification twice. Appreciate very much your help on the matter. Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate No, if you are working with 100% free fatty acids, you will have to do the ACID esterification twice with water content evapoation inbetween With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Thanks Jan, So you are saying that Aleks Kac's two stage process is the way to go on this one? Start with the acid-based stage and finish with the base-based stage. That's doing it twice right? Am doing small batches on the single stage base process (about 100 liters veg. oil). Will blending this with new veg. oil make a difference? Been reading the Foolproof Method over and over again to familiarize myself. Looks like it. Much thanks again. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hello Ken, fatty acids are possible to esterify with an acid catalyst. The formed water has to be drawn off, so it is always nice to start with a low water content. Performed correctly, the esterification will produce 90-95% esters. Usually these kinds of reactions are performed twice for a good conversion grade. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process. I've read up on the two stage process and it looks like the above will take a two stage process with 71.8% FFA. Am I right? Anyone out there with some thoughts on the matter? Its free stuff for me although its only about 200liters monthly. Would it be better to blend it or process it separately? Thanks Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list
Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
Jan, Ken, I have pushed the procedure to double the acid amount in the first phase, dewatered and went to the second phase (base base) in small batches without problem. I suggest testing in small amounts and working up a procedure that fits the product. This will take some time to do but when you get it you can get repeatbility thereafter. I did use Venturi acid introduction so that perhaps makes a big difference as well. Jim From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:48:10 +0100 If you have that much tri-glycerides you may most likely do one acid esterification followed by one base trans-esterification. Just check the FFA value after the first step after removal of the (acidic) water phase. If the FFA value is 5%, go as described above, in any other case as described before. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Thanks again Jan. Its 71.8% FFA. But doing acid esterification twice? Do you finish with a base transesterification after the two acid esterification? Please pardon my ignorance. Can you expound a bit. First time to hear about acid esterification twice. Appreciate very much your help on the matter. Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate No, if you are working with 100% free fatty acids, you will have to do the ACID esterification twice with water content evapoation inbetween With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Thanks Jan, So you are saying that Aleks Kac's two stage process is the way to go on this one? Start with the acid-based stage and finish with the base-based stage. That's doing it twice right? Am doing small batches on the single stage base process (about 100 liters veg. oil). Will blending this with new veg. oil make a difference? Been reading the Foolproof Method over and over again to familiarize myself. Looks like it. Much thanks again. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hello Ken, fatty acids are possible to esterify with an acid catalyst. The formed water has to be drawn off, so it is always nice to start with a low water content. Performed correctly, the esterification will produce 90-95% esters. Usually these kinds of reactions are performed twice for a good conversion grade. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process. I've read up on the two stage process and it looks like the above will take a two stage process with 71.8% FFA. Am I right? Anyone out there with some thoughts on the matter? Its free stuff for me although its only about 200liters monthly. Would it be better to blend it or process it separately? Thanks
Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
Ken, the important thing is that you do the measurements necessary in order to decide how to proceed. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Jan, Ken, I have pushed the procedure to double the acid amount in the first phase, dewatered and went to the second phase (base base) in small batches without problem. I suggest testing in small amounts and working up a procedure that fits the product. This will take some time to do but when you get it you can get repeatbility thereafter. I did use Venturi acid introduction so that perhaps makes a big difference as well. Jim From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:48:10 +0100 If you have that much tri-glycerides you may most likely do one acid esterification followed by one base trans-esterification. Just check the FFA value after the first step after removal of the (acidic) water phase. If the FFA value is 5%, go as described above, in any other case as described before. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Thanks again Jan. Its 71.8% FFA. But doing acid esterification twice? Do you finish with a base transesterification after the two acid esterification? Please pardon my ignorance. Can you expound a bit. First time to hear about acid esterification twice. Appreciate very much your help on the matter. Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate No, if you are working with 100% free fatty acids, you will have to do the ACID esterification twice with water content evapoation inbetween With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Thanks Jan, So you are saying that Aleks Kac's two stage process is the way to go on this one? Start with the acid-based stage and finish with the base-based stage. That's doing it twice right? Am doing small batches on the single stage base process (about 100 liters veg. oil). Will blending this with new veg. oil make a difference? Been reading the Foolproof Method over and over again to familiarize myself. Looks like it. Much thanks again. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hello Ken, fatty acids are possible to esterify with an acid catalyst. The formed water has to be drawn off, so it is always nice to start with a low water content. Performed correctly, the esterification will produce 90-95% esters. Usually these kinds of reactions are performed twice for a good conversion grade. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process
Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
Thanks Jan, So you are saying that Aleks Kac's two stage process is the way to go on this one? Start with the acid-based stage and finish with the base-based stage. That's doing it twice right? Am doing small batches on the single stage base process (about 100 liters veg. oil). Will blending this with new veg. oil make a difference? Been reading the Foolproof Method over and over again to familiarize myself. Looks like it. Much thanks again. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hello Ken, fatty acids are possible to esterify with an acid catalyst. The formed water has to be drawn off, so it is always nice to start with a low water content. Performed correctly, the esterification will produce 90-95% esters. Usually these kinds of reactions are performed twice for a good conversion grade. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process. I've read up on the two stage process and it looks like the above will take a two stage process with 71.8% FFA. Am I right? Anyone out there with some thoughts on the matter? Its free stuff for me although its only about 200liters monthly. Would it be better to blend it or process it separately? Thanks Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
No, if you are working with 100% free fatty acids, you will have to do the ACID esterification twice with water content evapoation inbetween With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Thanks Jan, So you are saying that Aleks Kac's two stage process is the way to go on this one? Start with the acid-based stage and finish with the base-based stage. That's doing it twice right? Am doing small batches on the single stage base process (about 100 liters veg. oil). Will blending this with new veg. oil make a difference? Been reading the Foolproof Method over and over again to familiarize myself. Looks like it. Much thanks again. Ken - Original Message - From: Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hello Ken, fatty acids are possible to esterify with an acid catalyst. The formed water has to be drawn off, so it is always nice to start with a low water content. Performed correctly, the esterification will produce 90-95% esters. Usually these kinds of reactions are performed twice for a good conversion grade. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process. I've read up on the two stage process and it looks like the above will take a two stage process with 71.8% FFA. Am I right? Anyone out there with some thoughts on the matter? Its free stuff for me although its only about 200liters monthly. Would it be better to blend it or process it separately? Thanks Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail
Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process. I've read up on the two stage process and it looks like the above will take a two stage process with 71.8% FFA. Am I right? Anyone out there with some thoughts on the matter? Its free stuff for me although its only about 200liters monthly. Would it be better to blend it or process it separately? Thanks Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
Hello Ken, fatty acids are possible to esterify with an acid catalyst. The formed water has to be drawn off, so it is always nice to start with a low water content. Performed correctly, the esterification will produce 90-95% esters. Usually these kinds of reactions are performed twice for a good conversion grade. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, I sent this out a few days ago. I was told by someone in the oil mill that crude fatty acid distillate is just a fancy name for their seconds or reject oils, which soap factories take from them and make into soap. Anyone has any experience with this kind of stock being made into biodiesel? Will such a high FFA content give problems? Thanks. Ken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process. I've read up on the two stage process and it looks like the above will take a two stage process with 71.8% FFA. Am I right? Anyone out there with some thoughts on the matter? Its free stuff for me although its only about 200liters monthly. Would it be better to blend it or process it separately? Thanks Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Crude fatty acid distillate
Hi everyone, An oil mill has just told me that they have excess of crude fatty acid distillate which they can give me with the following specifications : Free Fatty Acid (As Lauric) - 71.8% Iodine Value mg I/g - 10 Total Fatty Matter- 96% Moisture Impurities - 0.5% Saponifiable Value mg KOH/g - 260 Unsaponifiable Matter- 0.32% I am now doing some small production for my own use with a blend of WVO and new oil on the single stage process. I've read up on the two stage process and it looks like the above will take a two stage process with 71.8% FFA. Am I right? Anyone out there with some thoughts on the matter? Its free stuff for me although its only about 200liters monthly. Would it be better to blend it or process it separately? Thanks Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
