Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?
I was trying to theorize on what using a 100% ethanol fuel would be like. From MH's experience, it seems pretty obvious that 10% or even 25% ethanol has no ill effects and could actually run in unmodified gas engine better than 100% gasoline. I wanted to add to the reply below. . . Zeke Yewdall wrote: My understanding is that ethanol will run fine in existing gasoline engines. The difference is in compatibility with seals, and ability to vaporize at lower temperatures. It's got a bit higher vapor pressure, so in northern US, it can create hard starting in the wintertime. Having lived in a northern climate (Wisconsin, Minnesota, USA) I found it harder to start my gasoline vehicles when they have water in the gasoline line and it freezes up but now with 10 percent ethanol blended gasoline this has eliminated that problem, thank you. Methanol (HEET) caused some problems for me in my 1946 pickup truck and some of my 1960s and 1970s gasoline vehicles when methanol reacted with the rubber fuel filler hose connection to the fuel tank and carburetor floats. It does have a bit lower energy content per gallon, and higher oxygen content, which could confuse the electronic controls systems that most cars have now. They measure input airflow, and oxygen content in the exhaust, and decide how much fuel can be put in and still assure complete combustion. I don't know if ethanol might mess this up. Older cabureated cars you'd probably just have to reset the jets. Using 10 percent ethanol blended gasoline I've gotten better fuel mileage in the summer with it but less so in the cold winter. My carburetor vehicles worked fine with 10 percent ethanol blended gasoline fuel without adjusting the carburetor jets. The lower energy content per gallon also means that the mpg is a bit less. Somewhere around 10% I think??? If you designed the car to run only on ethanol, then you can typically use a much higher compression ratio (12:1 or so instead of 9:1 or less). This gives you back alot of the performance and mpg losses from using the lower energy content fuel. My use of 10 percent blended gasoline has not decreased my average annual fuel mileage. Its still 48 miles-per-gallon. The rusted front brake rotors did but thats been fixed. As far as seals, I haven't heard anything on ethanol causing seals to degrade, but I may be wrong. Just a few days ago on this listserve, there was a discussion on methanol, and the possibility of high concentrations of it hurting the aluminum and light alloy engines. It seems like if it did have issues with corrosion or rubber degradation, 10% would be enough to cause them, and since most of the winter gas sold in the northern US is 10% ethanol for pollution control, I imagine it doesn't. I haven't noticed any degradation while using 10 percent ethanol. There was a report several years ago done at the University of Minnesota - Mankato that used up to 25 percent ethanol blended gasoline fuel and it worked here in the northern USA climate though I haven't read the details. I also read a report done in the 1940s by the University of Iowa - Ames that also worked well using ethanol blended gasoline fuel in carburetor vehicles. I wonder if they are using 100% ethanol, or ~95% ethanol (which is what denatured ethanol usually is -- a little gasoline put in to keep you from drinking it), or 95% ethanol/5% water which I understand is the highest purity you can distill it to. At that ratio, it forms a constant boiling mixture, and you can't get it to 100% pure by distillation. Does anyone know how they get the last bit of water out? And whether it would affect the engine if they didn't? It's in solution, so I imagine it would just cause a little more water vapor in the exhaust, and slighly lower mpg. It shouldn't cause freezing, since I've tried to freeze 100 proof vodka, and it stays liquid at -10F, and this woud equivalent to 190 proof. Huh, hows 100 proof equivalent to 190 proof ? Ooops. Indefinite modifier, or whatever they call that grammer error I meant that 95% ethanol would be 190 proof. My two cents. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?
Zeke Yewdall wrote: I was trying to theorize on what using a 100% ethanol fuel would be like. From MH's experience, it seems pretty obvious that 10% or even 25% ethanol has no ill effects and could actually run in unmodified gas engine better than 100% gasoline. Thats OK Zeke. I wanted to add to the reply I tried mixing a 20% percent ethanol blend with gasoline for a 1970s lawn mower without adjusting the carburetor jet and the gasoline engine didn't like it so I went back to a 10 percent ethanol blend with gasoline I get from the local fuel stations. As for up to 25 percent ethanol blends with gasoline the University of Minnesota - Mankato said 30 percent. There was a news article posted to the list about this when the governor of Minnesota called for an increase to 20 percent ethanol blends from the current 10 percent ethanol blends with gasoline. Here it is -- Subject: [Biofuel] US Minnesota Fuels Plan Governor Pawlenty Announces Plans to Double Ethanol Level in Gasoline and Reduce State Gasoline Consumption by 50% -- Sep 27, 2004 http://www.governor.state.mn.us/Tpaw_View_Article.asp?artid=1120 A research report from the Minnesota Center for Automotive Research at Minnesota State University -- Mankato showed that there were no drivability or material compatibility problems experienced by 15 vehicles of various years, makes and models using E-30. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?
Zeke Yewdall wrote: I was trying to theorize on what using a 100% ethanol fuel would be like. From MH's experience, it seems pretty obvious that 10% or even 25% ethanol has no ill effects and could actually run in unmodified gas engine better than 100% gasoline. Most of the time during the summer months my fuel mileage is a little better using a 10 percent ethanol blend with gasoline but they're times when its similiar to 100% gasoline miles-per-gallon during the summer months. My car is a Geo Metro with computerizied (EFI) Electronic Fuel Injection. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?
Zeke; Activated alumina or zeolite will remove the water. One source I know of is companies like Kurt J. Lesker, Alcatel, Leybold and Pfeifer who are a supplier for industries that use high vacuum. The material is sold for foreline traps also known as a molecular sieve. The alumina can be baked to remove the water later and reused almost indefinitely. Joe Zeke Yewdall wrote: I wonder if they are using 100% ethanol, or ~95% ethanol (which is what denatured ethanol usually is -- a little gasoline put in to keep you from drinking it), or 95% ethanol/5% water which I understand is the highest purity you can distill it to. At that ratio, it forms a constant boiling mixture, and you can't get it to 100% pure by distillation. Does anyone know how they get the last bit of water out? And whether it would affect the engine if they didn't? It's in solution, so I imagine it would just cause a little more water vapor in the exhaust, and slighly lower mpg. It shouldn't cause freezing, since I've tried to freeze 100 proof vodka, and it stays liquid at -10F, and this woud equivalent to 190 proof. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?
Hello all. ethanol contains oxygen and will disturb the fuel/air ratio of the fuel. Engines with carburettor have to be adjusted to the proper CO level, since this value is the receipt of a proper combustion. Injected engines with catalytic cleaning usually have a range for adding more fuel to the air/fuel ratio, determined by the amount of O2 in the exhausts. Some systems can adjust to 30% of ethanol in the fuel, others have a thinner adjustment line. A good way of finding out which is to measure the exhaust fumes according to the specifications of the engine manufacturer. Keep up the good job ! Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go? I was trying to theorize on what using a 100% ethanol fuel would be like. From MH's experience, it seems pretty obvious that 10% or even 25% ethanol has no ill effects and could actually run in unmodified gas engine better than 100% gasoline. I wanted to add to the reply below. . . Zeke Yewdall wrote: My understanding is that ethanol will run fine in existing gasoline engines. The difference is in compatibility with seals, and ability to vaporize at lower temperatures. It's got a bit higher vapor pressure, so in northern US, it can create hard starting in the wintertime. Having lived in a northern climate (Wisconsin, Minnesota, USA) I found it harder to start my gasoline vehicles when they have water in the gasoline line and it freezes up but now with 10 percent ethanol blended gasoline this has eliminated that problem, thank you. Methanol (HEET) caused some problems for me in my 1946 pickup truck and some of my 1960s and 1970s gasoline vehicles when methanol reacted with the rubber fuel filler hose connection to the fuel tank and carburetor floats. It does have a bit lower energy content per gallon, and higher oxygen content, which could confuse the electronic controls systems that most cars have now. They measure input airflow, and oxygen content in the exhaust, and decide how much fuel can be put in and still assure complete combustion. I don't know if ethanol might mess this up. Older cabureated cars you'd probably just have to reset the jets. Using 10 percent ethanol blended gasoline I've gotten better fuel mileage in the summer with it but less so in the cold winter. My carburetor vehicles worked fine with 10 percent ethanol blended gasoline fuel without adjusting the carburetor jets. The lower energy content per gallon also means that the mpg is a bit less. Somewhere around 10% I think??? If you designed the car to run only on ethanol, then you can typically use a much higher compression ratio (12:1 or so instead of 9:1 or less). This gives you back alot of the performance and mpg losses from using the lower energy content fuel. My use of 10 percent blended gasoline has not decreased my average annual fuel mileage. Its still 48 miles-per-gallon. The rusted front brake rotors did but thats been fixed. As far as seals, I haven't heard anything on ethanol causing seals to degrade, but I may be wrong. Just a few days ago on this listserve, there was a discussion on methanol, and the possibility of high concentrations of it hurting the aluminum and light alloy engines. It seems like if it did have issues with corrosion or rubber degradation, 10% would be enough to cause them, and since most of the winter gas sold in the northern US is 10% ethanol for pollution control, I imagine it doesn't. I haven't noticed any degradation while using 10 percent ethanol. There was a report several years ago done at the University of Minnesota - Mankato that used up to 25 percent ethanol blended gasoline fuel and it worked here in the northern USA climate though I haven't read the details. I also read a report done in the 1940s by the University of Iowa - Ames that also worked well using ethanol blended gasoline fuel in carburetor vehicles. I wonder if they are using 100% ethanol, or ~95% ethanol (which is what denatured ethanol usually is -- a little gasoline put in to keep you from drinking it), or 95% ethanol/5% water which I understand is the highest purity you can distill it to. At that ratio, it forms a constant boiling mixture, and you can't get it to 100% pure by distillation. Does anyone know how they get the last bit of water out? And whether it would affect the engine if they didn't? It's in solution, so I imagine it would just cause a little more water vapor in the exhaust, and slighly lower mpg. It shouldn't cause freezing, since I've tried to freeze 100 proof vodka, and it stays liquid at -10F, and this woud equivalent to 190 proof. Huh, hows 100 proof equivalent to
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?
In very round numbers, gasoline has about 20,000 BTU per pound, ethanol 12,000, methanol 10,000. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Zeke Yewdall wrote: My understanding is that ethanol will run fine in existing gasoline engines. The difference is in compatibility with seals, and ability to vaporize at lower temperatures. It's got a bit higher vapor pressure, so in northern US, it can create hard starting in the wintertime. It does have a bit lower energy content per gallon, and higher oxygen content, which could confuse the electronic controls systems that most cars have now. They measure input airflow, and oxygen content in the exhaust, and decide how much fuel can be put in and still assure complete combustion. I don't know if ethanol might mess this up. Older cabureated cars you'd probably just have to reset the jets. The lower energy content per gallon also means that the mpg is a bit less. Somewhere around 10% I think??? If you designed the car to run only on ethanol, then you can typically use a much higher compression ratio (12:1 or so instead of 9:1 or less). This gives you back alot of the performance and mpg losses from using the lower energy content fuel. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?
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Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?
I wanted to add to the reply below. . . Zeke Yewdall wrote: My understanding is that ethanol will run fine in existing gasoline engines. The difference is in compatibility with seals, and ability to vaporize at lower temperatures. It's got a bit higher vapor pressure, so in northern US, it can create hard starting in the wintertime. Having lived in a northern climate (Wisconsin, Minnesota, USA) I found it harder to start my gasoline vehicles when they have water in the gasoline line and it freezes up but now with 10 percent ethanol blended gasoline this has eliminated that problem, thank you. Methanol (HEET) caused some problems for me in my 1946 pickup truck and some of my 1960s and 1970s gasoline vehicles when methanol reacted with the rubber fuel filler hose connection to the fuel tank and carburetor floats. It does have a bit lower energy content per gallon, and higher oxygen content, which could confuse the electronic controls systems that most cars have now. They measure input airflow, and oxygen content in the exhaust, and decide how much fuel can be put in and still assure complete combustion. I don't know if ethanol might mess this up. Older cabureated cars you'd probably just have to reset the jets. Using 10 percent ethanol blended gasoline I've gotten better fuel mileage in the summer with it but less so in the cold winter. My carburetor vehicles worked fine with 10 percent ethanol blended gasoline fuel without adjusting the carburetor jets. The lower energy content per gallon also means that the mpg is a bit less. Somewhere around 10% I think??? If you designed the car to run only on ethanol, then you can typically use a much higher compression ratio (12:1 or so instead of 9:1 or less). This gives you back alot of the performance and mpg losses from using the lower energy content fuel. My use of 10 percent blended gasoline has not decreased my average annual fuel mileage. Its still 48 miles-per-gallon. The rusted front brake rotors did but thats been fixed. As far as seals, I haven't heard anything on ethanol causing seals to degrade, but I may be wrong. Just a few days ago on this listserve, there was a discussion on methanol, and the possibility of high concentrations of it hurting the aluminum and light alloy engines. It seems like if it did have issues with corrosion or rubber degradation, 10% would be enough to cause them, and since most of the winter gas sold in the northern US is 10% ethanol for pollution control, I imagine it doesn't. I haven't noticed any degradation while using 10 percent ethanol. There was a report several years ago done at the University of Minnesota - Mankato that used up to 25 percent ethanol blended gasoline fuel and it worked here in the northern USA climate though I haven't read the details. I also read a report done in the 1940s by the University of Iowa - Ames that also worked well using ethanol blended gasoline fuel in carburetor vehicles. I wonder if they are using 100% ethanol, or ~95% ethanol (which is what denatured ethanol usually is -- a little gasoline put in to keep you from drinking it), or 95% ethanol/5% water which I understand is the highest purity you can distill it to. At that ratio, it forms a constant boiling mixture, and you can't get it to 100% pure by distillation. Does anyone know how they get the last bit of water out? And whether it would affect the engine if they didn't? It's in solution, so I imagine it would just cause a little more water vapor in the exhaust, and slighly lower mpg. It shouldn't cause freezing, since I've tried to freeze 100 proof vodka, and it stays liquid at -10F, and this woud equivalent to 190 proof. Huh, hows 100 proof equivalent to 190 proof ? My two cents. On 9/9/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A new list member (hi there!) told listadmin this a few days ago: Ethanol has been introduced in Manila just this month and I'm getting excited about it. The rising costs of fuel is really a burden here and through this list, I hope I would be able to gain lots of knowledge about Ethanol. Our government is encouraging us to use this fuel, they're telling us that we don't have to convert our engines in order for us to use Ethanol. I'm a little bit hesitant but I guess they're right coz I've been reading various sites from the web and they all said that there's no for us to have our existing engines converted nor there are any bad effects in using Ethanol. Any comments? Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?
A new list member (hi there!) told listadmin this a few days ago: Ethanol has been introduced in Manila just this month and I'm getting excited about it. The rising costs of fuel is really a burden here and through this list, I hope I would be able to gain lots of knowledge about Ethanol. Our government is encouraging us to use this fuel, they're telling us that we don't have to convert our engines in order for us to use Ethanol. I'm a little bit hesitant but I guess they're right coz I've been reading various sites from the web and they all said that there's no for us to have our existing engines converted nor there are any bad effects in using Ethanol. Any comments? Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?
My understanding is that ethanol will run fine in existing gasoline engines. The difference is in compatibility with seals, and ability to vaporize at lower temperatures. It's got a bit higher vapor pressure, so in northern US, it can create hard starting in the wintertime. It does have a bit lower energy content per gallon, and higher oxygen content, which could confuse the electronic controls systems that most cars have now. They measure input airflow, and oxygen content in the exhaust, and decide how much fuel can be put in and still assure complete combustion. I don't know if ethanol might mess this up. Older cabureated cars you'd probably just have to reset the jets. The lower energy content per gallon also means that the mpg is a bit less. Somewhere around 10% I think??? If you designed the car to run only on ethanol, then you can typically use a much higher compression ratio (12:1 or so instead of 9:1 or less). This gives you back alot of the performance and mpg losses from using the lower energy content fuel. As far as seals, I haven't heard anything on ethanol causing seals to degrade, but I may be wrong. Just a few days ago on this listserve, there was a discussion on methanol, and the possibility of high concentrations of it hurting the aluminum and light alloy engines. It seems like if it did have issues with corrosion or rubber degradation, 10% would be enough to cause them, and since most of the winter gas sold in the northern US is 10% ethanol for pollution control, I imagine it doesn't. I wonder if they are using 100% ethanol, or ~95% ethanol (which is what denatured ethanol usually is -- a little gasoline put in to keep you from drinking it), or 95% ethanol/5% water which I understand is the highest purity you can distill it to. At that ratio, it forms a constant boiling mixture, and you can't get it to 100% pure by distillation. Does anyone know how they get the last bit of water out? And whether it would affect the engine if they didn't? It's in solution, so I imagine it would just cause a little more water vapor in the exhaust, and slighly lower mpg. It shouldn't cause freezing, since I've tried to freeze 100 proof vodka, and it stays liquid at -10F, and this woud equivalent to 190 proof. My two cents. On 9/9/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A new list member (hi there!) told listadmin this a few days ago: Ethanol has been introduced in Manila just this month and I'm getting excited about it. The rising costs of fuel is really a burden here and through this list, I hope I would be able to gain lots of knowledge about Ethanol. Our government is encouraging us to use this fuel, they're telling us that we don't have to convert our engines in order for us to use Ethanol. I'm a little bit hesitant but I guess they're right coz I've been reading various sites from the web and they all said that there's no for us to have our existing engines converted nor there are any bad effects in using Ethanol. Any comments? Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?
A new list member (hi there!) told listadmin this a few days ago: Ethanol has been introduced in Manila just this month and I'm getting excited about it. The rising costs of fuel is really a burden here and through this list, I hope I would be able to gain lots of knowledge about Ethanol. Our government is encouraging us to use this fuel, they're telling us that we don't have to convert our engines in order for us to use Ethanol. I'm a little bit hesitant but I guess they're right coz I've been reading various sites from the web and they allsaid that there's no for us to have our existing engines converted nor there are any bad effects in using Ethanol. Any comments? Best wishes Keith Hi Keith, Cocodiesel, yes. But I haven't seen ethanol outside of the media yet. There are still a few problems to be worked out - growing sorghum or sugarcane, where is it going to be grown and who is going to grow it, setting up the plants to process it, and getting it into the tanks of our vehicles. If they're going to use sugarcane, what happens to our sugar supply? The oil companies here have big bucks invested in their facilities and it might not be in their best interests to have ethanol easily available unless there's money to be made for them. http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/man/2005/08/31/news/gas.firms.doubt.ethanol.can.be.used.as.alternative.fuel.right.away.html Gas firms doubt ethanol can be used as alternative fuel right away There's also the problem of monoculture and growing the crop sustainably. Mrs. Arroyo is in a bind here with the questions raised about the credibility of her election, Peak Oil, and Climate Change so I'd think she'd like to give our people a few straws to clutch. http://www.greencarcongress.com/2004/12/philippines_clo.html Philippines Close to National Ethanol Program http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/dav/2005/08/29/news/ethanol.plant.to.benefit.davao.bukidnon.zubiri.html Ethanol plant to benefit Davao, Bukidnon: Zubiri These say we should have a 25% blend of ethanol by 2010, *if* our Congress passes the Energy Bill. However, if this can be done on a village level, there might be something in it. But it would still take a while to set it up. I wouldn't hold my breath just now. :-) In the meantime, I'll start homebrewing BD in January. And I don't have to wait for our government or anyone else to do it for me. :-) Regards. Vin Lava Manila, Philippines __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
