Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer
Mike Weaver wrote: Foxfire. Used to be my bible - are they still around? -Weaver At this point we all have seen where Keith directed us to where can find the foxfire volumes as pdf files and pointed us to http://www.librum.us/pdfs/index.htm where there may be other interesting material, tnx Keith. Hi Doug - It's Kirk we should thank for that, he posted that link previously - other interesting material, yes. Best Keith As for the volumes being the bible, I don't know enough to be sure about that. Volume five's appearance at the book store coincided with my begging interest in Blacksmithing. The concept was compelling enough that I would have bought the other volumes if they would have appeared on the shelf, they didn't so I have only volume five 5 in paperback. For me the foxfire series are more history than anything else, they do make a decent reference in regards to some technical details. I wished all areas of the country picked up on the concept and created their own foxfire like projects. In regards to foxfire itself visit www.foxfire.org Doug, N0LKK ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer
Mike Weaver wrote: Foxfire. Used to be my bible - are they still around? -Weaver At this point we all have seen where Keith directed us to where can find the foxfire volumes as pdf files and pointed us to http://www.librum.us/pdfs/index.htm where there may be other interesting material, tnx Keith. As for the volumes being the bible, I don't know enough to be sure about that. Volume five's appearance at the book store coincided with my begging interest in Blacksmithing. The concept was compelling enough that I would have bought the other volumes if they would have appeared on the shelf, they didn't so I have only volume five 5 in paperback. For me the foxfire series are more history than anything else, they do make a decent reference in regards to some technical details. I wished all areas of the country picked up on the concept and created their own foxfire like projects. In regards to foxfire itself visit www.foxfire.org Doug, N0LKK ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer
robert and benita rabello wrote: Indeed! And they need technology to separate urine? Grief! A plastic jugg next to the toilet will do. This saves water, and my maize plants are SO much happier . . . robert luis rabello In the event Law enforcement ever sees your urine collection, you may be a terrorist suspect or suspect of operating a meth lab. Urine can be processed to extract potassium nitrate. Volume 5 of the Foxfire book series details how it was done in the old days for use in manufacturing black powder. apearently the urine from met users is processed to recover ephedrine Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer
Foxfire. Used to be my bible - are they still around? -Weaver Doug Younker wrote: robert and benita rabello wrote: Indeed! And they need technology to separate urine? Grief! A plastic jugg next to the toilet will do. This saves water, and my maize plants are SO much happier . . . robert luis rabello In the event Law enforcement ever sees your urine collection, you may be a terrorist suspect or suspect of operating a meth lab. Urine can be processed to extract potassium nitrate. Volume 5 of the Foxfire book series details how it was done in the old days for use in manufacturing black powder. apearently the urine from met users is processed to recover ephedrine Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer
So, when I pee in my compost pile, it's a good thing On 7/12/07, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They've discovered our secret! Urine Offers Rich Phosphorus Source http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/07/10/urine_pla.html?category=earth July 10, 2007 — Recycling urine may be the answer to a looming global shortage of phosphorus, according to an Australian researcher. Associate Professor Cynthia Mitchell, of the Institute for Sustainable Futures at the University of Technology, Sydney (UTS), said the world's deposits of phosphorus are due to run out in about 50 years. She believes recycling the 132 gallons (500 liters) of urine each person produces a year is the solution. Urine is the most concentrated source of phosphorus, she said. At the moment we dilute that through our sewage system and send it out to the ocean. In the industrialized world we must start moving to a resource-recovery approach rather than the current waste-treatment approach. Phosphorus is a key component in agricultural fertilizers and a lack of phosphorus would affect future soil quality and production. But Mitchell blames a 'poo taboo' for the failure of governments to move on the issue of recycling urine. In a public lecture at UTS later this week, Mitchell will call for a revolution in sanitation across Australia. She said technology that allows urine to be separated in the home is already being used in Sweden. All new homes in the local council of Tanum are required to have urine-separation toilets. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Zeke Yewdall Chief Electrical Engineer Sunflower Solar, A NewPoint Energy Company Cell: 720.352.2508 Office: 303.459.0177 FAX documents to: 720.269.1240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cosunflower.com CoSEIA Certified Certified BP Solar Installer National Association of Home Builders Quotable Quote In the dark of the moon, in flying snow, in the dead of winter, war spreading, families dying, the world in danger, I walk the rocky hillside sowing clover. Wendell Berry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer
Doug Younker wrote: In the event Law enforcement ever sees your urine collection, you may be a terrorist suspect or suspect of operating a meth lab. Wouldn't THAT be ironic . . . Prisoner: So, whatcha in for? Me: Peeing in a jug! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer/Urine
Check http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/urine_martha.htm Your own Perfect Medicine by Martha Christy I had the book for a couple of years, read it and then loaned it out so many times it eventually didn't come back. Many times I've thought about ordering another one but still haven't done that. Even without ordering the book, what you will find on the web site will clearly indicate that urine collection is alive and strong and it's use is a multi-billion dollar industry .. and properties taken from urine goes into a huge amount of products from Murine for your eyes, cosmetics, all kinds of medicines for all kinds of conditions. From the book I believe I remember reading that the porta-toilet companies redesigned their units to include a urinal. The porta-toilet company created a subsidiary called Enzymes of America that sells the collected urine to the pharmaceutical companies and their little subsidiary is a very profitable business. .. couple that with any one of us that may have been born and raised in any society remotely connected with puritan teaching .. that anything connected with the physical body had to be unclean .. it's almost as if they (pharmaceutical) don't want us to know just how good urine is .. and we really don't want to know. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART: Facilitator/Consultant for Alternative Healing Modalities and Practitioner utilizing various modalities which can include TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . THE ANIMAL CONNECTION HEALING MODALITIES http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:21:14 -0600 Foxfire. Used to be my bible - are they still around? -Weaver Doug Younker wrote: robert and benita rabello wrote: Indeed! And they need technology to separate urine? Grief! A plastic jugg next to the toilet will do. This saves water, and my maize plants are SO much happier . . . robert luis rabello In the event Law enforcement ever sees your urine collection, you may be a terrorist suspect or suspect of operating a meth lab. Urine can be processed to extract potassium nitrate. Volume 5 of the Foxfire book series details how it was done in the old days for use in manufacturing black powder. apearently the urine from met users is processed to recover ephedrine Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer
Hello Paul and all They've discovered our secret! :-) It's about time they discovered a few of their own secrets I think. One is that it's quite hard to find phosphorus-deficient soils. What's easy to find is lots and lots of soils where there's plenty of phosphorus, but it's all locked up in a form not available to plants. So the chemical-agriculture solution is to apply loads of water-soluble phosphates (superphosphate or triple-superphosphate), a tiny percentage of which ever gets to the plant, the rest goes into the soil water or joins the existing stocks of unavailable phosphorus. The phosphorus supply in the soil is either in mineral form (as above) or in organic forms in the organic matter and humus in the soil, where it's taken up by soil microorganisms in their tissues and becomes available when they die (ie slow-release), while some species of soil microorganisms produce available forms of phosphorus in excess, more than they need, like honey bees produce excess honey. Mycorrhizal soil fungi are a major source of organic phosphorus, fed direct to the plant roots. But if you keep knifing harsh chemical fertilisers into the soil the organic matter supply gets burnt up and the soil goes acidic, with not much living in it to supply phosphorus or anything else much, and certainly no mycorrhizal soil fungi. If you maintain the soil humus and the biodiversity of your crops you get it both ways, via the soil life and via the plants themselves, with deep-rooters etching fresh minerals out of the subsoil, including unavailable phosphorus, which they do by exuding weak carbonic acid from the roots. There's possibly a case for applying phosphorus once, at the beginning, when restoring worn-out soil. Organic farmers previously used basic sludge for that; I don't know if it's still available or still suitable. A good dressing of manure, or green manure, or indeed urine, but preferably compost, which contains them all plus all the soil bugs needed, is usually sufficient. Other than that, phosphorus deficiencies are for amateurs. IMHO. Like nitrogen deficiencies. Best Keith Urine Offers Rich Phosphorus Source http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/07/10/urine_pla.html?category=earth July 10, 2007 ó Recycling urine may be the answer to a looming global shortage of phosphorus, according to an Australian researcher. Associate Professor Cynthia Mitchell, of the Institute for Sustainable Futures at the University of Technology, Sydney (UTS), said the world's deposits of phosphorus are due to run out in about 50 years. She believes recycling the 132 gallons (500 liters) of urine each person produces a year is the solution. Urine is the most concentrated source of phosphorus, she said. At the moment we dilute that through our sewage system and send it out to the ocean. In the industrialized world we must start moving to a resource-recovery approach rather than the current waste-treatment approach. Phosphorus is a key component in agricultural fertilizers and a lack of phosphorus would affect future soil quality and production. But Mitchell blames a 'poo taboo' for the failure of governments to move on the issue of recycling urine. In a public lecture at UTS later this week, Mitchell will call for a revolution in sanitation across Australia. She said technology that allows urine to be separated in the home is already being used in Sweden. All new homes in the local council of Tanum are required to have urine-separation toilets. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer
Foxfire. Used to be my bible - are they still around? -Weaver http://www.librum.us/pdfs/index.htm The Librums PDFs Collection Page The Fox Fire 'HARDCOPY' books are under copyright by the original publisher. When one of our sponsors purchased the reprint rights in the electronic and microfilm format from the going-out-of-business owner (AT) and we moved to restore them for our users the original owner kicked up a lot of fuss. After much negotiation, it was realized that the original owner had no legal leg to stand on, but did not care, they had money to throw. We also realized we could not compete versus their financial resources. So, it was decided to NOT restore the works, to simply present them as the AT originals. This we did for some time, but now due to a request for the Copyright mediator, we have removed them from the site. We are awaiting the 'final' arbitration decision. Sorry. However, try these (big files!): FoxFire I 1972, 40,781,143 bytes. http://www.librum.us/pdfs/foxfire1.pdf FoxFire II 1973, 44,103,776 bytes. http://www.librum.us/pdfs/foxfire2.pdf FoxFire III 1975, 52,810,340 bytes. http://www.librum.us/pdfs/foxfire3.pdf FoxFire IV 1977, 50,172,233 bytes. http://www.librum.us/pdfs/foxfire4.pdf FoxFire V 1979, 43,500,020 bytes. http://www.librum.us/pdfs/foxfire5.pdf FoxFire VI 1980, 49,288,652 bytes. http://www.librum.us/pdfs/foxfire6.pdf Best Keith Doug Younker wrote: robert and benita rabello wrote: Indeed! And they need technology to separate urine? Grief! A plastic jugg next to the toilet will do. This saves water, and my maize plants are SO much happier . . . robert luis rabello In the event Law enforcement ever sees your urine collection, you may be a terrorist suspect or suspect of operating a meth lab. Urine can be processed to extract potassium nitrate. Volume 5 of the Foxfire book series details how it was done in the old days for use in manufacturing black powder. apearently the urine from met users is processed to recover ephedrine Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer
They've discovered our secret! Urine Offers Rich Phosphorus Source http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/07/10/urine_pla.html?category=earth July 10, 2007 — Recycling urine may be the answer to a looming global shortage of phosphorus, according to an Australian researcher. Associate Professor Cynthia Mitchell, of the Institute for Sustainable Futures at the University of Technology, Sydney (UTS), said the world's deposits of phosphorus are due to run out in about 50 years. She believes recycling the 132 gallons (500 liters) of urine each person produces a year is the solution. Urine is the most concentrated source of phosphorus, she said. At the moment we dilute that through our sewage system and send it out to the ocean. In the industrialized world we must start moving to a resource-recovery approach rather than the current waste-treatment approach. Phosphorus is a key component in agricultural fertilizers and a lack of phosphorus would affect future soil quality and production. But Mitchell blames a 'poo taboo' for the failure of governments to move on the issue of recycling urine. In a public lecture at UTS later this week, Mitchell will call for a revolution in sanitation across Australia. She said technology that allows urine to be separated in the home is already being used in Sweden. All new homes in the local council of Tanum are required to have urine-separation toilets. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer
Paul S Cantrell wrote: They've discovered our secret! Indeed! And they need technology to separate urine? Grief! A plastic jugg next to the toilet will do. This saves water, and my maize plants are SO much happier . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
