Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze
That is around what I used in Wyoming I was using Heet didn't even know it was methanol. Works great. - Original Message - From: PAUL MILLERmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgmailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze Hi Tom: A friend who mixes windshield wash commercially uses 35% in the winter. That is plenty strong for Montana, but if he uses that strength he does not have to worry if the temp goes below -10F by several degrees. Paul - Original Message - From: Thomas Kellymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuelmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze Help if you can. I have relatives that own a bus company. They have 150+ gallons of windshield wash fluid. It is not winterized. How much methanol should be added to each gallon of washer fluid in order to prevent freezing to say -10F (-23C) ? I will experiment as follows: Small sample of fluid in freezer check temp it freezes at Add measured amount of methanol . check temp it freezes at Repeat until I get a vol:vol ratio that produces the desired results. I have other things to do tomorrow if anyone has a better plan/knows the correct ratio it would be appreciated. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze
Paul, Thanks for the info .35% WOW! 35 gal of methanol to 65 gal of summer wash fluid ... a lot of methanol No wonder demand for methanol increases in winter. Thanks again, Tom - Original Message - From: PAUL MILLER To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze Hi Tom: A friend who mixes windshield wash commercially uses 35% in the winter. That is plenty strong for Montana, but if he uses that strength he does not have to worry if the temp goes below -10F by several degrees. Paul - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze Help if you can. I have relatives that own a bus company. They have 150+ gallons of windshield wash fluid. It is not winterized. How much methanol should be added to each gallon of washer fluid in order to prevent freezing to say -10F (-23C) ? I will experiment as follows: Small sample of fluid in freezer check temp it freezes at Add measured amount of methanol . check temp it freezes at Repeat until I get a vol:vol ratio that produces the desired results. I have other things to do tomorrow if anyone has a better plan/knows the correct ratio it would be appreciated. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze
Hi Tom; I think washer fluid typically contains 20 to 40% alcohol but I notice that on the cold days if I use the lower percentage the fluid can momentarily freeze up on the windsheild after wiping leaving streaks of ice. The higher percentage doesn't do this. Joe PAUL MILLER wrote: Hi Tom: A friend who mixes windshield wash commercially uses 35% in the winter. That is plenty strong for Montana, but if he uses that strength he does not have to worry if the temp goes below -10F by several degrees. Paul - Original Message - *From:* Thomas Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:33 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze Help if you can. I have relatives that own a bus company. They have 150+ gallons of windshield wash fluid. It is not winterized. How much methanol should be added to each gallon of washer fluid in order to prevent freezing to say -10F (-23C) ? I will experiment as follows: Small sample of fluid in freezer check temp it freezes at Add measured amount of methanol . check temp it freezes at Repeat until I get a vol:vol ratio that produces the desired results. I have other things to do tomorrow if anyone has a better plan/knows the correct ratio it would be appreciated. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze
Joe, I just got off the phone with my brother-in -law at the bus company. He said that his chemical supplier offered to send a 55 gal. drum of methanol to mix w roughly 160 gal of summer wash fluid. He asked me about it and I thought this was overkill, but in view of what you and Paul tell me it's probably about right (~25%). Doesn't the methanol, at 35 - 40%, damage the rubber seal on the edge of the window? The good news is . He thinks the chem. rep. said Methanol is up to $3 (US)/gal vs the best quote I got was $3.54/gal. Maybe I found a new, cheaper source of methanol. Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze Hi Tom; I think washer fluid typically contains 20 to 40% alcohol but I notice that on the cold days if I use the lower percentage the fluid can momentarily freeze up on the windsheild after wiping leaving streaks of ice. The higher percentage doesn't do this. Joe PAUL MILLER wrote: Hi Tom: A friend who mixes windshield wash commercially uses 35% in the winter. That is plenty strong for Montana, but if he uses that strength he does not have to worry if the temp goes below -10F by several degrees. Paul - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze Help if you can. I have relatives that own a bus company. They have 150+ gallons of windshield wash fluid. It is not winterized. How much methanol should be added to each gallon of washer fluid in order to prevent freezing to say -10F (-23C) ? I will experiment as follows: Small sample of fluid in freezer check temp it freezes at Add measured amount of methanol . check temp it freezes at Repeat until I get a vol:vol ratio that produces the desired results. I have other things to do tomorrow if anyone has a better plan/knows the correct ratio it would be appreciated. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze
I haven't seen any issues with the methanol attacking anything on the car. Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, I just got off the phone with my brother-in -law at the bus company. He said that his chemical supplier offered to send a 55 gal. drum of methanol to mix w roughly 160 gal of summer wash fluid. He asked me about it and I thought this was overkill, but in view of what you and Paul tell me it's probably about right (~25%). Doesn't the methanol, at 35 - 40%, damage the rubber seal on the edge of the window? The good news is . He thinks the chem. rep. said Methanol is up to $3 (US)/gal vs the best quote I got was $3.54/gal. Maybe I found a new, cheaper source of methanol. Tom - Original Message - *From:* Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Friday, November 24, 2006 9:01 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze Hi Tom; I think washer fluid typically contains 20 to 40% alcohol but I notice that on the cold days if I use the lower percentage the fluid can momentarily freeze up on the windsheild after wiping leaving streaks of ice. The higher percentage doesn't do this. Joe PAUL MILLER wrote: Hi Tom: A friend who mixes windshield wash commercially uses 35% in the winter. That is plenty strong for Montana, but if he uses that strength he does not have to worry if the temp goes below -10F by several degrees. Paul - Original Message - *From:* Thomas Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:33 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze Help if you can. I have relatives that own a bus company. They have 150+ gallons of windshield wash fluid. It is not winterized. How much methanol should be added to each gallon of washer fluid in order to prevent freezing to say -10F (-23C) ? I will experiment as follows: Small sample of fluid in freezer check temp it freezes at Add measured amount of methanol . check temp it freezes at Repeat until I get a vol:vol ratio that produces the desired results. I have other things to do tomorrow if anyone has a better plan/knows the correct ratio it would be appreciated. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze
Help if you can. I have relatives that own a bus company. They have 150+ gallons of windshield wash fluid. It is not winterized. How much methanol should be added to each gallon of washer fluid in order to prevent freezing to say -10F (-23C) ? I will experiment as follows: Small sample of fluid in freezer check temp it freezes at Add measured amount of methanol . check temp it freezes at Repeat until I get a vol:vol ratio that produces the desired results. I have other things to do tomorrow if anyone has a better plan/knows the correct ratio it would be appreciated. Tom___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze
Hi Tom: A friend who mixes windshield wash commercially uses 35% in the winter. That is plenty strong for Montana, but if he uses that strength he does not have to worry if the temp goes below -10F by several degrees. Paul - Original Message - From: Thomas Kellymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuelmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze Help if you can. I have relatives that own a bus company. They have 150+ gallons of windshield wash fluid. It is not winterized. How much methanol should be added to each gallon of washer fluid in order to prevent freezing to say -10F (-23C) ? I will experiment as follows: Small sample of fluid in freezer check temp it freezes at Add measured amount of methanol . check temp it freezes at Repeat until I get a vol:vol ratio that produces the desired results. I have other things to do tomorrow if anyone has a better plan/knows the correct ratio it would be appreciated. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
