Re: [Biofuel] New List

2005-06-11 Thread MANOJ



Dear Balaji
If we can produce Methonol from saw dust we can use 
it for petrol engines to be used as petrol substitute ok, what will be the 
procedure to extract Methonol like
can you please direct me or how can we generate 
electricity is it viable to do in small scale 
My concern is to find a substitute to petrol here 
its US$ 0.80 per liter thats lot of money only for petrol cos average persons 
monthly wage is like Min US$50.00 per month so how can a poor man pump some 
petrol to his motor bike

Thanks 
Manoj

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Balaji 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: 09 June 2005 0:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New List
  
  Hello Manoj, 
  
  You can dowhole lot of 
  things with saw dust, such as produce fuel briquettes for primary energy, 
  generate electricity or process heat by gasifying the saw dust briquettes and 
  even produce methanol from it. 
  
  There was a similar enquiry from 
  Upali Magedaragamage, Executive Director, National development Foundation, Sri 
  Lanka some time back to the list. 
  
  Refer to http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg40222.html
  
  Regards.
  
  balaji
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
MANOJ 

To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:00 
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New List
hi guys i am from sri lanka what are u going to do with saw 
dustManoj- Original Message -From: "Ron" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: 
07 June 2005 8:19 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] New List I 
could use some design photos and diagrams. I am trying to set up a 
fuel plant that will make 1000 gal per day from saw dust. How about 
the grant? How does that work? Any input much needed. Thanks, 
ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:  Hi ron, I built a 10 inch stripper column in 1990 
I then moved a 24inch rectifier from a  local oil refinary a 
ran for a while, selling my wet ethanol to a localethanol plant 
 for upgrading to anhydrous, but then we got a new govener who took 
awayour state subsidies  and my plant turned to scrapiron, 
at the time I was selling wet feed,and feeding 800 hogs,  
the stripper and condenser rusted away so I cut it up.  now I am 
in the pickeled quail egg business and I need to startup myfeed 
mill  and install a pellet press so I can enlarge my quail 
operation.  30 gallons of ethanol makes 1000 pounds of complete 
feed when thedistillers grains  33% of the ration, so they 
kinda go together,  for now I will use my 1000 gallon pot still 
to produce 75 gallon perday,  I am currently applying to 
USDA for a 49000 grant, to operate thisplant,  I will 
produce anhydrous by using anhydrous lime,  then using the lime 
as the calcium supplement for my feed.  I also am buliding a 
pervaporation system using PVA and chitosan  sorry, its hard to 
keep it short, 27 years of research  From: ron 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Date: 2005/05/28 Sat PM 02:57:28 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New List  Me 
too Fred, How did you come with 30 gal/hr? I have done small time 
batch plants but yours is no batch plant. How do you do it? 
Is the Gov any help? Are there grants for bio 
diesel? So many questions and so little bandwidth!!! 
Ron  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:   Just letting everyone 
know I am still here, Still trying to completemy 30 gallon per 
hour farm anhydrous ethanol/ plant feed mill, I recently 
applied for theUSDA/ DOE Grant, but there were 680 
applications, I finally hired an engineer to put mypackage 
together. I have a very good 50 page plan, The seceret 
to making smallscaleethanol work is to produce a 
complete feed with the distillers grains. Thanks forbeing here. 
Fred   
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Re: [Biofuel] New List

2005-06-08 Thread Balaji



Hello Manoj, 

You can dowhole lot of things 
with saw dust, such as produce fuel briquettes for primary energy, generate 
electricity or process heat by gasifying the saw dust briquettes and even 
produce methanol from it. 

There was a similar enquiry from 
Upali Magedaragamage, Executive Director, National development Foundation, Sri 
Lanka some time back to the list. 

Refer to http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg40222.html

Regards.

balaji


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  MANOJ 
  
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:00 
PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New List
  hi guys i am from sri lanka what are u going to do with saw 
  dustManoj- Original Message -From: "Ron" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
  Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: 
  07 June 2005 8:19 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] New List I 
  could use some design photos and diagrams. I am trying to set up a 
  fuel plant that will make 1000 gal per day from saw dust. How about 
  the grant? How does that work? Any input much needed. Thanks, 
  ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   Hi ron, I built a 10 inch stripper column in 1990 I then moved a 
  24inch rectifier from a  local oil refinary a ran for a while, 
  selling my wet ethanol to a localethanol plant  for upgrading 
  to anhydrous, but then we got a new govener who took awayour state 
  subsidies  and my plant turned to scrapiron, at the time I was 
  selling wet feed,and feeding 800 hogs,  the stripper and 
  condenser rusted away so I cut it up.  now I am in the pickeled 
  quail egg business and I need to startup myfeed mill  and 
  install a pellet press so I can enlarge my quail operation.  30 
  gallons of ethanol makes 1000 pounds of complete feed when thedistillers 
  grains  33% of the ration, so they kinda go together,  
  for now I will use my 1000 gallon pot still to produce 75 gallon 
  perday,  I am currently applying to USDA for a 49000 grant, to 
  operate thisplant,  I will produce anhydrous by using 
  anhydrous lime,  then using the lime as the calcium supplement for 
  my feed.  I also am buliding a pervaporation system using PVA and 
  chitosan  sorry, its hard to keep it short, 27 years of 
  research  From: ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Date: 2005/05/28 Sat PM 02:57:28 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New List  Me 
  too Fred, How did you come with 30 gal/hr? I have done small time 
  batch plants but yours is no batch plant. How do you do it? 
  Is the Gov any help? Are there grants for bio 
  diesel? So many questions and so little bandwidth!!! 
  Ron  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:   Just letting everyone know 
  I am still here, Still trying to completemy 30 gallon per hour 
  farm anhydrous ethanol/ plant feed mill, I recently applied for 
  theUSDA/ DOE Grant, but there were 680 applications, I 
  finally hired an engineer to put mypackage together. I 
  have a very good 50 page plan, The seceret to making smallscaleethanol 
  work is to produce a complete feed with the distillers 
  grains. Thanks forbeing here. Fred  
   
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Re: [Biofuel] New List

2005-06-07 Thread MANOJ
hi guys i am from sri lanka what are u going to do with saw dust

Manoj

- Original Message -
From: Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: 07 June 2005 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New List


 I could use some design photos and diagrams. I am trying to set up a
 fuel plant that will make 1000 gal per day from saw dust. How about the
 grant? How does that work? Any input much needed. Thanks, ron


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi ron, I built a 10 inch stripper column in 1990  I then moved a 24
inch rectifier from a
  local oil refinary a ran for a while, selling my wet ethanol to a local
ethanol plant
  for upgrading to anhydrous, but then we got a new govener who took away
our state subsidies
  and my plant turned to scrapiron, at the time I was selling wet feed,
and feeding 800 hogs,
  the stripper and condenser rusted away so I cut it up.
  now I am in the pickeled quail egg business and I need to startup my
feed mill
  and install a pellet press so I can enlarge my quail operation.
  30 gallons of ethanol makes 1000 pounds of complete feed when the
distillers grains
  33% of the ration, so they kinda go together,
  for now I will use my 1000 gallon pot still to produce 75 gallon per
day,
  I am currently applying to USDA for a 49000 grant, to operate this
plant,
  I will produce anhydrous by using anhydrous lime,
  then using the lime as the calcium supplement for my feed.
  I also am buliding a pervaporation system using PVA and chitosan
  sorry, its hard to keep it short, 27 years of research
 
 From: ron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/05/28 Sat PM 02:57:28 EDT
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New List
 
 Me too Fred, How did you come with 30 gal/hr? I have done small time
 batch plants but yours is no batch plant. How do you do it?
 Is the Gov any help?
 Are  there grants for bio diesel?
 So many questions and so little bandwidth!!!
 Ron
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Just letting everyone know I am still here, Still trying to complete
my 30 gallon per hour
 farm anhydrous ethanol/ plant feed mill, I recently applied for the
USDA/ DOE Grant,
 but there were 680 applications, I finally hired an engineer to put my
package together.
 I have a very good 50 page plan, The seceret to making smallscale
ethanol work
 is to produce a complete feed with the distillers grains. Thanks for
being here. Fred
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] New List

2005-06-06 Thread Ron
I could use some design photos and diagrams. I am trying to set up a 
fuel plant that will make 1000 gal per day from saw dust. How about the 
grant? How does that work? Any input much needed. Thanks, ron



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi ron, I built a 10 inch stripper column in 1990  I then moved a 24 inch rectifier from a 
local oil refinary a ran for a while, selling my wet ethanol to a local ethanol plant

for upgrading to anhydrous, but then we got a new govener who took away our 
state subsidies
and my plant turned to scrapiron, at the time I was selling wet feed, and 
feeding 800 hogs,
the stripper and condenser rusted away so I cut it up.
now I am in the pickeled quail egg business and I need to startup my feed mill
and install a pellet press so I can enlarge my quail operation.
30 gallons of ethanol makes 1000 pounds of complete feed when the distillers grains 
33% of the ration, so they kinda go together,

for now I will use my 1000 gallon pot still to produce 75 gallon per day,
I am currently applying to USDA for a 49000 grant, to operate this plant,
I will produce anhydrous by using anhydrous lime,
then using the lime as the calcium supplement for my feed.
I also am buliding a pervaporation system using PVA and chitosan
sorry, its hard to keep it short, 27 years of research


From: ron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/05/28 Sat PM 02:57:28 EDT
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New List

Me too Fred, How did you come with 30 gal/hr? I have done small time 
batch plants but yours is no batch plant. How do you do it?

Is the Gov any help?
Are  there grants for bio diesel?
So many questions and so little bandwidth!!!
Ron

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Just letting everyone know I am still here, Still trying to complete my 30 
gallon per hour
farm anhydrous ethanol/ plant feed mill, I recently applied for the USDA/ DOE 
Grant,
but there were 680 applications, I finally hired an engineer to put my package 
together.
I have a very good 50 page plan, The seceret to making smallscale ethanol work
is to produce a complete feed with the distillers grains. Thanks for being 
here. Fred


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Re: [Biofuel] New list archives

2005-06-03 Thread ROY Washbish
Keith
FANTASTIC JOB
Thank you 
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Re: [Biofuel] New list archives

2005-06-03 Thread Keith Addison

Keith
FANTASTIC JOB
Thank you
Roy


Thankyou Roy, you're most welcome.

I must say I agree, it's a real pleasure to use. I can't claim any 
credit for it. Of course we arranged it, but it was Jeff Breidenbach 
at The Mail Archive who did the work, that kind of computer crunching 
is way beyond me. It wasn't easy, databases like this rely on the 
message headers and especially the posting address, and there've been 
four different posting addresses over the years, not easy to 
integrate it. It seems to be seamless, after some initial problems. 
Jeff doesn't charge anything for running this great service. You get 
context-sensitive ads by Google on the find pages, but I don't 
mind that, they're unobtrusive enough.


Best wishes

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[Biofuel] New list archives

2005-06-02 Thread Keith Addison

Hi all

Check out the new list archives:

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it with the Biofuel list 18 months ago. They're now merged in the 
archives too - one search searches them all.


Messages by thread or by date. With search finds the Thread link at 
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in the thread linked at the end of the message.


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Re: [Biofuel] New list member question

2004-11-12 Thread Legal Eagle



Whahahah. Automatic ! Just ribbing you.
- Original Message - 
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:39 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] New list member question


Any chances of people posting their experiences/suggestions to new list
members that have bought specific diesels?  This is not the first diesel
that I have owned, but it is the first that I will have run non-dino.  :-)

I just bought a 1982 Mercedes 240D automatic--slow yes, but should be simple
(I hope!).  This is not going to be a daily driver--more of a test platform.

Whahahah. Automatic ! Just ribbing you. Why not a daily driver ?

Any tuning suggestions?  Seals that need attention?  Filter suggestions?

Tuning, yes. Get a valve adjustment, it is required regular maintenance.
Ahhh, the filters. Have you read my ongoing saga with the MB 240D's filters 
? Mine is a 1983 4spd 4 cylendar manual. Before you get any further, pull 
the screen filter out of the fuel tank and inspect it 'cause that little 
beggar is going to clog up solid :)
Actually you could just strip the screen part out and then install a second 
primary filter in the engine compartment and be prepared to change it often 
at first (until all the deposits get flushed).
I just had the screen filter and fuel lines replaced so I don't really have 
to worry about that anymore but had I known about what it would entail I 
would have pulled it right off.


Does anyone know if this model will do ok if I try SVO?  Performance 
modifications?  (snicker)


Peerformance? Ha, what performance? Actually, it performs extremely well, it 
just doesn't do it very fast that's all. However, considering that that 67 
HP is pulling around 3500lbs of metal it doesn't do too too poorly. Consider 
this. If for any reason your Benz gets scrapped by a rear end accident or 
somethig, God forbid, but it does happen, do you toss the car's engine, or 
turn it into a fantastic genset or one of the funkiest three wheeled 
motorcycles you have ever seen  (both running on B100 of course)?
Some have converted them, but mostly the 300D, to WVO/SVO use with a second 
tank system.Don't know the ins and outs of that one though.

Luc

Is there anyone on the list that lives in the Charlotte, NC area that can 
suggest good places for methanol and lye?


Thanks in advance!!

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Re: [Biofuel] New list member question

2004-11-12 Thread Robert Del Bueno


I have had great luck with 240Ds. I have converted a 1974 240D automatic to 
a dual tank WVO system.
Runs great! I would not rob a bank in it, but would drive across the 
country any day.

-Rob (Atlanta, GA)




At 08:51 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote:

Randall:

Whahahah. Automatic ! Just ribbing you.
- Original Message - From: Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:39 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] New list member question


Any chances of people posting their experiences/suggestions to new list
members that have bought specific diesels?  This is not the first diesel
that I have owned, but it is the first that I will have run non-dino.  :-)

I just bought a 1982 Mercedes 240D automatic--slow yes, but should be simple
(I hope!).  This is not going to be a daily driver--more of a test platform.

Whahahah. Automatic ! Just ribbing you. Why not a daily driver ?

Any tuning suggestions?  Seals that need attention?  Filter suggestions?

Tuning, yes. Get a valve adjustment, it is required regular maintenance.
Ahhh, the filters. Have you read my ongoing saga with the MB 240D's 
filters ? Mine is a 1983 4spd 4 cylendar manual. Before you get any 
further, pull the screen filter out of the fuel tank and inspect it 'cause 
that little beggar is going to clog up solid :)
Actually you could just strip the screen part out and then install a 
second primary filter in the engine compartment and be prepared to change 
it often at first (until all the deposits get flushed).
I just had the screen filter and fuel lines replaced so I don't really 
have to worry about that anymore but had I known about what it would 
entail I would have pulled it right off.


Does anyone know if this model will do ok if I try SVO?  Performance 
modifications?  (snicker)


Peerformance? Ha, what performance? Actually, it performs extremely well, 
it just doesn't do it very fast that's all. However, considering that that 
67 HP is pulling around 3500lbs of metal it doesn't do too too poorly. 
Consider this. If for any reason your Benz gets scrapped by a rear end 
accident or somethig, God forbid, but it does happen, do you toss the 
car's engine, or turn it into a fantastic genset or one of the funkiest 
three wheeled motorcycles you have ever seen  (both running on B100 of course)?
Some have converted them, but mostly the 300D, to WVO/SVO use with a 
second tank system.Don't know the ins and outs of that one though.

Luc

Is there anyone on the list that lives in the Charlotte, NC area that can 
suggest good places for methanol and lye?


Thanks in advance!!

--Randall Van Engen
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Re: [Biofuel] New list member question

2004-11-12 Thread Randall

Luc,

No problem on the ribbing... :)  The car may become a daily driver once it
gets the once-over...but for now it is an unknown.

I did read your suggestions on the tank screen, and had thought about
putting an easily replaceable 2nd filter to help keep it clean while the bio
does it work on the old system.  Thanks for the suggestion on the
valves...last time I had to deal with adjusting valves was my 92 Accord.
;-)

And if the car gets the rear end eaten...I might turn it into a home
bio-generator.  Might be overkill, but then again, it will not have to work
hard.

--Randall


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 Randall:

 Whahahah. Automatic ! Just ribbing you.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:39 PM
 Subject: [Biofuel] New list member question


 Any chances of people posting their experiences/suggestions to new list
 members that have bought specific diesels?  This is not the first diesel
 that I have owned, but it is the first that I will have run non-dino.  :-)

 I just bought a 1982 Mercedes 240D automatic--slow yes, but should be
simple
 (I hope!).  This is not going to be a daily driver--more of a test
platform.

 Whahahah. Automatic ! Just ribbing you. Why not a daily driver ?

 Any tuning suggestions?  Seals that need attention?  Filter suggestions?

 Tuning, yes. Get a valve adjustment, it is required regular maintenance.
 Ahhh, the filters. Have you read my ongoing saga with the MB 240D's
filters
 ? Mine is a 1983 4spd 4 cylendar manual. Before you get any further, pull
 the screen filter out of the fuel tank and inspect it 'cause that little
 beggar is going to clog up solid :)
 Actually you could just strip the screen part out and then install a
second
 primary filter in the engine compartment and be prepared to change it
often
 at first (until all the deposits get flushed).
 I just had the screen filter and fuel lines replaced so I don't really
have
 to worry about that anymore but had I known about what it would entail I
 would have pulled it right off.

 Does anyone know if this model will do ok if I try SVO?  Performance
 modifications?  (snicker)

 Peerformance? Ha, what performance? Actually, it performs extremely well,
it
 just doesn't do it very fast that's all. However, considering that that 67
 HP is pulling around 3500lbs of metal it doesn't do too too poorly.
Consider
 this. If for any reason your Benz gets scrapped by a rear end accident or
 somethig, God forbid, but it does happen, do you toss the car's engine, or
 turn it into a fantastic genset or one of the funkiest three wheeled
 motorcycles you have ever seen  (both running on B100 of course)?
 Some have converted them, but mostly the 300D, to WVO/SVO use with a
second
 tank system.Don't know the ins and outs of that one though.
 Luc

 Is there anyone on the list that lives in the Charlotte, NC area that can
 suggest good places for methanol and lye?

 Thanks in advance!!

 --Randall Van Engen
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[Biofuel] New list member question

2004-11-11 Thread Randall

Any chances of people posting their experiences/suggestions to new list
members that have bought specific diesels?  This is not the first diesel
that I have owned, but it is the first that I will have run non-dino.  :-)

I just bought a 1982 Mercedes 240D automatic--slow yes, but should be simple
(I hope!).  This is not going to be a daily driver--more of a test platform.

Any tuning suggestions?  Seals that need attention?  Filter suggestions?
Does anyone know if this model will do ok if I try SVO?  Performance
modifications?  (snicker)

Is there anyone on the list that lives in the Charlotte, NC area that can
suggest good places for methanol and lye?

Thanks in advance!!

--Randall Van Engen
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