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Say Bobby...Do you feel safe now?fredOn 4/19/06, Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't
make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. I wouldfeel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House...From: robert luis rabello 
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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:47:29 -0700Hakan Falk wrote:  US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stay  after his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last trick. I
  doubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other than  the hope that next election will be more kind to the world. Are you kidding?We could have Jeb, then Neil, then Marvin, and
after them, Jenna and Barbara.We could have a Bush family dynastyfor better than 50 years over here!robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mind
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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Zeke Yewdall

On 4/19/06, Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't
 make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. I would
 feel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House...


Well, maybe the democrats couldn't make a decision to save their
lives, but that's slightly better than making the wrong decision,
which is what the current administration seems to be doing all of the
time.  I for one would prefer an ineffectual government to a downright
evil government that's trying to kill me and the rest of the world. 
Even forgetting all of the domestic attacks on our environment,
climate, health care, etc..., the war on terror is doing a better
job of creating more terrorists who hate us than ridding the world of
terror (admittedly sort of a hard thing for the US to do in earnest,
since we've sponsored so much of it through the years...)

On the other hand, there is something to be said for the Bush
administration's effect on organizing everyone.  If Gore or Kerry had
won, would we have the massive outrage against the US government that
we have now?  Probably not.  It would have been not that bad, but
not that bad is not a goal to strive for.  I've heard this argument
here a few times, and although I don't entirely agree (it seems a
little like saying Hurricaine Katrina and all the deaths it caused was
a good thing because it will raise awareness of global warming), there
is a point there.



 From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:47:29 -0700
 
 Hakan Falk wrote:
 
 
   US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stay
   after his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last trick. I
   doubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other than
   the hope that next election will be more kind to the world.
 
Are you kidding?  We could have Jeb, then Neil, then Marvin, and
 after them, Jenna and Barbara.  We could have a Bush family dynasty
 for better than 50 years over here!
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Appal Energy

Nice sarcasm there Bobby.

 Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that
  couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended
  on it.

Would be interesting to see precisely what you base that remark on other 
than the pablam you've apparently nursed on from clowns such as 
Limbrain, entertainment programs such as Fox News or web sites such as 
Swift Boat Vets who wouldn't know truth if it bit them square on both 
butt cheeks.

As if the wrong-thinking of a mentally challenged puppet hiding behind a 
crown of thorns, whose decisions are set to disembowel clean water and 
air, efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, have embroiled all 
nations, killed untold tens-of-thousands in a wrongfully prosecuted war, 
brought the country closer to a state of economic collapse, and pandered 
to the single issue voter instead of the total country he was supposed 
to serve and protect is a standard to be held in high regard.

I'd say something about twisted logic. But the appearance is that logic 
played no role in your comment.

Todd Swearingen



Bobby Clark wrote:

Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't 
make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. I would 
feel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House...


  

From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:47:29 -0700

Hakan Falk wrote:




US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stay
after his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last trick. I
doubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other than
the hope that next election will be more kind to the world.
  

  Are you kidding?  We could have Jeb, then Neil, then Marvin, and
after them, Jenna and Barbara.  We could have a Bush family dynasty
for better than 50 years over here!



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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Michael Redler

Let's give Bobby the benefit of the doubt.He's had negative comments about the Democrats. I'm waiting to see if he has something good to say about Bush and the Republicans.Personally, I have no loyalty toward either andI sometimes find it difficult to see the difference between the two, despite the bit of theater they put on from time to time.MikeFred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Say Bobby...Do you feel safe now?fred  On 4/19/06, Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. I wouldfeel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House...[snip]___
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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of a broken beer bottle.Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here!Damn fine writing!fred
On 5/10/06, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nice sarcasm there Bobby. Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that  couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended  on it.Would be interesting to see precisely what you base that remark on other
than the pablam you've apparently nursed on from clowns such asLimbrain, entertainment programs such as Fox News or web sites such asSwift Boat Vets who wouldn't know truth if it bit them square on bothbutt cheeks.
As if the wrong-thinking of a mentally challenged puppet hiding behind acrown of thorns, whose decisions are set to disembowel clean water andair, efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, have embroiled all
nations, killed untold tens-of-thousands in a wrongfully prosecuted war,brought the country closer to a state of economic collapse, and panderedto the single issue voter instead of the total country he was supposed
to serve and protect is a standard to be held in high regard.I'd say something about twisted logic. But the appearance is that logicplayed no role in your comment.Todd SwearingenBobby Clark wrote:
Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn'tmake a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. I wouldfeel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House...
From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:47:29 -0700Hakan Falk wrote:
US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stayafter his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last trick. Idoubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other than
the hope that next election will be more kind to the world.Are you kidding?We could have Jeb, then Neil, then Marvin, andafter them, Jenna and Barbara.We could have a Bush family dynasty
for better than 50 years over here!robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mind
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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

Hey Mike, My response was not an attempt to root out any political leanings either. I merely asked a question. Personally I hate both parties because ultimately the are the same. I just hate one more right now because they are the ones holding all the cards.
fredOn 4/19/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's give Bobby the benefit of the doubt.He's had negative comments about the Democrats. I'm waiting to see if he has something good to say about Bush and the Republicans.
Personally, I have no loyalty toward either andI sometimes find it difficult to see the difference between the two, despite the bit of theater they put on from time to time.  
  MikeFred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:  
Say Bobby...Do you feel safe now?fred  On 4/19/06, 
Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:   
  Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't 
make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it. I wouldfeel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House...[snip]

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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Michael Redler

Don't worry Fred.Todd certainly has a talent for stringing words together and having it mean something. But, as long as you get your point across, it's all good.BTW, I've always felt that in order to use the full range of a language, one needs to look beyond their dictionary and incorporate a little grit (broken beer bottle) every now and then.:-)Mike  Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of a broken beer bottle.Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here!Damn fine writing!fred  On 5/10/06, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Nice sarcasm there Bobby.Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on it.Would be interesting to see precisely what you base that remark on other than the pablam you've apparently nursed on from clowns such asLimbrain, entertainment programs such as Fox News or web sites such asSwift Boat Vets who wouldn't know truth if it bit them square on bothbutt cheeks. As if the wrong-thinking of a mentally challenged puppet hiding behind acrown of thorns, whose decisions are set to disembowel clean water andair, efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, have embroiled all nations, killed untold tens-of-thousands
 in a wrongfully prosecuted war,brought the country closer to a state of economic collapse, and panderedto the single issue voter instead of the total country he was supposed to serve and protect is a standard to be held in high regard.I'd say something about twisted logic. But the appearance is that logicplayed no role in your comment.Todd Swearingen[snip]___
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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Appal Energy

Well don't call me brilliant. Now I know what a glaive is where I didn't 
before - a poor man's week wacker, eh?

Todd Swearingen



Fred Finch wrote:

 Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of 
 a broken beer bottle.

 Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here!

 Damn fine writing!

 fred

 On 5/10/06, *Appal Energy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nice sarcasm there Bobby.

 Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that
  couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation
 depended
  on it.

 Would be interesting to see precisely what you base that remark on
 other
 than the pablam you've apparently nursed on from clowns such as
 Limbrain, entertainment programs such as Fox News or web sites such as
 Swift Boat Vets who wouldn't know truth if it bit them square on both
 butt cheeks.

 As if the wrong-thinking of a mentally challenged puppet hiding
 behind a
 crown of thorns, whose decisions are set to disembowel clean water and
 air, efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, have
 embroiled all
 nations, killed untold tens-of-thousands in a wrongfully
 prosecuted war,
 brought the country closer to a state of economic collapse, and
 pandered
 to the single issue voter instead of the total country he was
 supposed
 to serve and protect is a standard to be held in high regard.

 I'd say something about twisted logic. But the appearance is that
 logic
 played no role in your comment.

 Todd Swearingen



 Bobby Clark wrote:

 Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office
 that couldn't
 make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on
 it. I would
 feel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House...
 
 
 
 
 From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?
 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:47:29 -0700
 
 Hakan Falk wrote:
 
 
 
 
 US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stay
 after his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last
 trick. I
 doubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other
 than
 the hope that next election will be more kind to the world.
 
 
   Are you kidding?  We could have Jeb, then Neil, then
 Marvin, and
 after them, Jenna and Barbara.  We could have a Bush family dynasty
 for better than 50 years over here!
 
 
 
 robert luis rabello
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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Keith Addison

Hakan Falk wrote:


  US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stay
  after his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last trick. I
  doubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other than
  the hope that next election will be more kind to the world.

   Are you kidding?  We could have Jeb, then Neil, then Marvin, and
after them, Jenna and Barbara.  We could have a Bush family dynasty
for better than 50 years over here!

Imagine thinking we'd last that long. I always knew you're an 
optimist at heart, Robert. :-)

Keith



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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Appal Energy

Make that weed whacker.


Appal Energy wrote:

Well don't call me brilliant. Now I know what a glaive is where I didn't 
before - a poor man's week wacker, eh?

Todd Swearingen



Fred Finch wrote:

  

Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of 
a broken beer bottle.

Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here!

Damn fine writing!

fred

On 5/10/06, *Appal Energy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nice sarcasm there Bobby.

Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that
 couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation
depended
 on it.

Would be interesting to see precisely what you base that remark on
other
than the pablam you've apparently nursed on from clowns such as
Limbrain, entertainment programs such as Fox News or web sites such as
Swift Boat Vets who wouldn't know truth if it bit them square on both
butt cheeks.

As if the wrong-thinking of a mentally challenged puppet hiding
behind a
crown of thorns, whose decisions are set to disembowel clean water and
air, efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, have
embroiled all
nations, killed untold tens-of-thousands in a wrongfully
prosecuted war,
brought the country closer to a state of economic collapse, and
pandered
to the single issue voter instead of the total country he was
supposed
to serve and protect is a standard to be held in high regard.

I'd say something about twisted logic. But the appearance is that
logic
played no role in your comment.

Todd Swearingen



Bobby Clark wrote:

Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office
that couldn't
make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended on
it. I would
feel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House...




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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:47:29 -0700

Hakan Falk wrote:




US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stay
after his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last
trick. I
doubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other
than
the hope that next election will be more kind to the world.


  Are you kidding?  We could have Jeb, then Neil, then
Marvin, and
after them, Jenna and Barbara.  We could have a Bush family dynasty
for better than 50 years over here!



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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

Somehow Week Whacker seems fitting too!On 5/10/06, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Make that weed whacker.Appal Energy wrote:Well don't call me brilliant. Now I know what a glaive is where I didn't
before - a poor man's week wacker, eh?Todd SwearingenFred Finch wrote:Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought of
a broken beer bottle.Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here!Damn fine writing!fredOn 5/10/06, *Appal Energy* 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Nice sarcasm there Bobby.
Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nationdepended on it.
Would be interesting to see precisely what you base that remark onotherthan the pablam you've apparently nursed on from clowns such asLimbrain, entertainment programs such as Fox News or web sites such as
Swift Boat Vets who wouldn't know truth if it bit them square on bothbutt cheeks.As if the wrong-thinking of a mentally challenged puppet hidingbehind a
crown of thorns, whose decisions are set to disembowel clean water andair, efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, haveembroiled allnations, killed untold tens-of-thousands in a wrongfully
prosecuted war,brought the country closer to a state of economic collapse, andpanderedto the single issue voter instead of the total country he wassupposed
to serve and protect is a standard to be held in high regard.I'd say something about twisted logic. But the appearance is thatlogicplayed no role in your comment.
Todd SwearingenBobby Clark wrote:Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in officethat couldn't
make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended onit. I wouldfeel really safe if the democrats had control of the White House...
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US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stayafter his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last
trick. Idoubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left otherthanthe hope that next election will be more kind to the world.
Are you kidding?We could have Jeb, then Neil, thenMarvin, andafter them, Jenna and Barbara.We could have a Bush family dynasty
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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-19 Thread Mike Weaver

I always wondered why you sound so funny when you talk...


Michael Redler wrote:

 Don't worry Fred.
  
 Todd certainly has a talent for stringing words together and having it 
 mean something. But, as long as you get your point across, it's all good.
  
 BTW, I've always felt that in order to use the full range of a 
 language, one needs to look beyond their dictionary and incorporate a 
 little grit (broken beer bottle) every now and then.
  
 :-)
  
 Mike

 */Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought
 of a broken beer bottle.

 Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here!

 Damn fine writing!

 fred

 On 5/10/06, *Appal Energy* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nice sarcasm there Bobby.

 Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office
 that
  couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the
 nation depended
  on it.

 Would be interesting to see precisely what you base that
 remark on other
 than the pablam you've apparently nursed on from clowns such as
 Limbrain, entertainment programs such as Fox News or web sites
 such as
 Swift Boat Vets who wouldn't know truth if it bit them square
 on both
 butt cheeks.

 As if the wrong-thinking of a mentally challenged puppet
 hiding behind a
 crown of thorns, whose decisions are set to disembowel clean
 water and
 air, efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, have
 embroiled all
 nations, killed untold tens-of-thousands in a wrongfully
 prosecuted war,
 brought the country closer to a state of economic collapse,
 and pandered
 to the single issue voter instead of the total country he was
 supposed
 to serve and protect is a standard to be held in high regard.

 I'd say something about twisted logic. But the appearance is
 that logic
 played no role in your comment.

 Todd Swearingen

 [snip]



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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

I resemble that remark!!On 4/19/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I always wondered why you sound so funny when you talk...Michael Redler wrote: Don't worry Fred. Todd certainly has a talent for stringing words together and having it mean something. But, as long as you get your point across, it's all good.
 BTW, I've always felt that in order to use the full range of a language, one needs to look beyond their dictionary and incorporate a little grit (broken beer bottle) every now and then.
 :-) Mike */Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Todd breaks out the verbal glaive while I grab the nearest thought
 of a broken beer bottle. Sometimes I swear I still feel like a mental midget here! Damn fine writing! fred On 5/10/06, *Appal Energy* 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice sarcasm there Bobby.
 Yeah, the US missed the opportunity to have someone in office that  couldn't make a decision if the life and health of the nation depended  on it.
 Would be interesting to see precisely what you base that remark on other than the pablam you've apparently nursed on from clowns such as Limbrain, entertainment programs such as Fox News or web sites
 such as Swift Boat Vets who wouldn't know truth if it bit them square on both butt cheeks. As if the wrong-thinking of a mentally challenged puppet
 hiding behind a crown of thorns, whose decisions are set to disembowel clean water and air, efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, have embroiled all
 nations, killed untold tens-of-thousands in a wrongfully prosecuted war, brought the country closer to a state of economic collapse, and pandered to the single issue voter instead of the total country he was
 supposed to serve and protect is a standard to be held in high regard. I'd say something about twisted logic. But the appearance is that logic played no role in your comment.
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[Biofuel] You were saying?

*JAPANESE OFFICIALS RESIGN OVER U.S. MAD COW DEBACLE*
Despite new cases of Mad Cow disease surfacing in the U.S., Japan is 
reopening its borders to American beef. As a result of the policy 
decision half of the members of Japan's beef-safety government advisory 
panel have resigned. Morikazu Shinagawa, a researcher at the national 
Institute of Animal Health and a resigning member of the panel, told 
Kyodo News Service he couldn't continue to work on the panel because 
the conclusion to resume imports was preordained by the government. 
Japan banned U.S. beef imports in 2003 due to weak beef safety 
regulations in the U.S. While 100% of cows in Japan, aged 24 months and 
older, are tested for the Mad Cow disease, only 1% of the 35 million 
cattle slaughtered annually in the U.S. are tested. Japan recently caved 
to pressure from the Bush Administration and lift the ban on U.S. beef 
imports while appointing new experts to its beef safety advisory 
panel. http://www.organicconsumers.org/artman/publish/article_227.cfm


and...so such thing as organic:
*ORGANIC BYTES READERS VOTE TO LAUNCH BOYCOTT AGAINST HORIZON AND AURORA*
In the last two issues of Organic Bytes we invited our readers to vote 
on the direction of OCA's Safeguard Organic Standards Campaign by taking 
part in an online poll. The poll asked, Should the Organic Consumers 
Association call for a boycott of organic brands that are lobbying to 
weaken organic laws and taking advantage of loopholes in the organic 
standards (example: producing so-called organic dairy products on 
factory farms, where the animals are imported from conventional dairy 
farms, and then kept in intensive confinement, with no access to 
pasture)? We'd like to thank everyone who took part in that poll. The 
results indicate a resounding 96% of participants believe the OCA should 
launch a boycott. In response, and in alliance with the Cornucopia 
Institute http://www.cornucopia.org/index.php/dairy_brand_ratings/, 
the OCA sent out a national press release 
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63542 last week 
calling on consumers to boycott these brands. Two of the largest organic 
dairy companies in the nation, Horizon Organic (a subsidiary of Dean 
Foods) and supplier to Wal-Mart and many health food stores; and Aurora 
Organic, a supplier of private brand name organic milk to Costco, 
Safeway, Giant, Wild Oats and others, are purchasing the majority of 
their milk from feedlot dairies where the cows have little or no access 
to pasture. The National Standards Board is currently accepting public 
comments regarding factory farm dairy. *
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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

"The advance of liberty is the path to both a safer and better world."- George W. Bush, Speech to United Nations General Assembly (September 21, 2004)1.) 1% testing of US cattle for mad cow disease/"shares" risk with Japan  2.) World Health Organization ranks US37 in health care quality  3.) Rumsfeld makes millions from sale of bird flu vaccine  4.) December, 2001: United States' withdrawal from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty  5.) November, 2001: A 10-year-old program to help Russians prevent theft of nuclear warheads and weapons-grade uranium and plutonium was reduced by $20 million.  6.) "Clear Skies"weaken and delay health protections already required under the law.  7.) EPA "C.H.E.E.R.S." CHEMICAL INDUSTRY TO STUDY EFFECTS OF KNOWN TOXIC CHEMICALS ON
 CHILDRENFEMA, FDA, USDA, etc, etc, etc.So...looking back at the quote, what does this say about "the advance of liberty"?MikeClear skies ref: http://www.nrdc.org/air/pollution/qbushplan.asp  C.H.E.E.R.S. ref: http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa-alert.htm  WHO ref: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html  Bird Flu ref: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0312-06.htm  ABM ref: http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/12/13/rec.bush.abm/  prevent
 theft of nuclear warheads ref: http://www.ransac.org/Projects%20and%20Publications/News/Nuclear%20News/2001/11_13_01.html#1b  Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  *JAPANESE OFFICIALS RESIGN OVER U.S. MAD COW DEBACLE*Despite new cases of Mad Cow disease surfacing in the U.S., Japan is reopening its borders to American beef. As a result of the policy decision half of the members of Japan's beef-safety government advisory panel have resigned. Morikazu Shinagawa, a researcher at the national Institute of Animal Health and a resigning member of the panel, told Kyodo News Service he "couldn't continue to work" on the panel because the conclusion to resume imports was preordained by the government.
 Japan banned U.S. beef imports in 2003 due to weak beef safety regulations in the U.S. While 100% of cows in Japan, aged 24 months and older, are tested for the Mad Cow disease, only 1% of the 35 million cattle slaughtered annually in the U.S. are tested. Japan recently caved to pressure from the Bush Administration and lift the ban on U.S. beef imports while appointing new "experts" to its beef safety advisory panel. http://www.organicconsumers.org/artman/publish/article_227.cfmand...so such thing as organic:*ORGANIC BYTES READERS VOTE TO LAUNCH BOYCOTT AGAINST HORIZON AND AURORA*In the last two issues of Organic Bytes we invited our readers to vote on the direction of OCA's Safeguard Organic Standards Campaign by taking part in an online poll. The poll asked, "Should the Organic Consumers Association call for a boycott of organic brands that are lobbying to weaken organic laws and taking advantage of
 loopholes in the organic standards (example: producing so-called "organic" dairy products on factory farms, where the animals are imported from conventional dairy farms, and then kept in intensive confinement, with no access to pasture)?" We'd like to thank everyone who took part in that poll. The results indicate a resounding 96% of participants believe the OCA should launch a boycott. In response, and in alliance with the Cornucopia Institute , the OCA sent out a national press release last week calling on consumers to boycott these brands. Two of the largest organic dairy companies in the nation, Horizon Organic (a subsidiary of Dean Foods) and supplier to Wal-Mart and many health food stores; and Aurora Organic, a supplier of private brand name organic milk to Costco, Safeway, Giant, Wild Oats and
 others, are purchasing the majority of their milk from feedlot dairies where the cows have little or no access to pasture. The National Standards Board is currently accepting public comments regarding factory farm dairy. *Take action here: *http://www.organicconsumers.org/nosb2.htm___
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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

Redler,

why do you hate freedom so much?

Get with the program.

Michael Redler wrote:

The advance of liberty is the path to both a safer and better world.

- George W. Bush, Speech to United Nations General Assembly (September
21, 2004)

1.) 1% testing of US cattle for mad cow disease/shares risk with Japan
2.) World Health Organization ranks US 37 in health care quality
3.) Rumsfeld makes millions from sale of bird flu vaccine
4.) December, 2001: United States' withdrawal from the 1972
Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty
5.) November, 2001: A 10-year-old program to help Russians prevent
theft of nuclear warheads and weapons-grade uranium and plutonium was
reduced by $20 million.
6.) Clear Skies weaken and delay health protections already required
under the law.
7.) EPA C.H.E.E.R.S. CHEMICAL INDUSTRY TO STUDY EFFECTS OF KNOWN
TOXIC CHEMICALS ON CHILDREN

FEMA, FDA, USDA, etc, etc, etc.

So...looking back at the quote, what does this say about the advance
of liberty?

Mike

Clear skies ref: http://www.nrdc.org/air/pollution/qbushplan.asp
C.H.E.E.R.S. ref: http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa-alert.htm
WHO ref: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
Bird Flu ref: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0312-06.htm
ABM ref: http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/12/13/rec.bush.abm/
prevent theft of nuclear warheads ref:
http://www.ransac.org/Projects%20and%20Publications/News/Nuclear%20News/2001/11_13_01.html#1b

*/Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

*JAPANESE OFFICIALS RESIGN OVER U.S. MAD COW DEBACLE*
Despite new cases of Mad Cow disease surfacing in the U.S., Japan is
reopening its borders to American beef. As a result of the policy
decision half of the members of Japan's beef-safety government
advisory
panel have resigned. Morikazu Shinagawa, a researcher at the national
Institute of Animal Health and a resigning member of the panel, told
Kyodo News Service he couldn't continue to work on the panel
because
the conclusion to resume imports was preordained by the government.
Japan banned U.S. beef imports in 2003 due to weak beef safety
regulations in the U.S. While 100% of cows in Japan, aged 24
months and
older, are tested for the Mad Cow disease, only 1% of the 35 million
cattle slaughtered annually in the U.S. are tested. Japan recently
caved
to pressure from the Bush Administration and lift the ban on U.S.
beef
imports while appointing new experts to its beef safety advisory
panel. http://www.organicconsumers.org/artman/publish/article_227.cfm

and...so such thing as organic:
*ORGANIC BYTES READERS VOTE TO LAUNCH BOYCOTT AGAINST HORIZON AND
AURORA*
In the last two issues of Organic Bytes we invited our readers to
vote
on the direction of OCA's Safeguard Organic Standards Campaign by
taking
part in an online poll. The poll asked, Should the Organic Consumers
Association call for a boycott of organic brands that are lobbying to
weaken organic laws and taking advantage of loopholes in the organic
standards (example: producing so-called organic dairy products on
factory farms, where the animals are imported from conventional dairy
farms, and then kept in intensive confinement, with no access to
pasture)? We'd like to thank everyone who took part in that poll.
The
results indicate a resounding 96% of participants believe the OCA
should
launch a boycott. In response, and in alliance with the Cornucopia
Institute ,
the OCA sent out a national press release
last week
calling on consumers to boycott these brands. Two of the largest
organic
dairy companies in the nation, Horizon Organic (a subsidiary of Dean
Foods) and supplier to Wal-Mart and many health food stores; and
Aurora
Organic, a supplier of private brand name organic milk to Costco,
Safeway, Giant, Wild Oats and others, are purchasing the majority of
their milk from feedlot dairies where the cows have little or no
access
to pasture. The National Standards Board is currently accepting
public
comments regarding factory farm dairy. *
Take action here: *http://www.organicconsumers.org/nosb2.htm

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...sorry.I don't know what came over me.:-)Mike Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redler,why do you hate freedom so much?Get with the program.Michael Redler wrote: "The advance of liberty is the path to both a safer and better world." - George W. Bush, Speech to United Nations General Assembly (September 21, 2004) 1.) 1% testing of US cattle for mad cow disease/"shares" risk with Japan 2.) World Health Organization ranks US 37 in health care quality 3.) Rumsfeld makes millions from sale of bird flu vaccine 4.) December, 2001: United States' withdrawal from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty 5.) November,
2001: A 10-year-old program to help Russians prevent theft of nuclear warheads and weapons-grade uranium and plutonium was reduced by $20 million. 6.) "Clear Skies" weaken and delay health protections already required under the law. 7.) EPA "C.H.E.E.R.S." CHEMICAL INDUSTRY TO STUDY EFFECTS OF KNOWN TOXIC CHEMICALS ON CHILDREN FEMA, FDA, USDA, etc, etc, etc. So...looking back at the quote, what does this say about "the advance of liberty"? Mike Clear skies ref: http://www.nrdc.org/air/pollution/qbushplan.asp C.H.E.E.R.S. ref: http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa-alert.htm WHO ref: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Bird Flu ref: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0312-06.htm ABM ref: http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/12/13/rec.bush.abm/ prevent theft of nuclear warheads ref:
http://www.ransac.org/Projects%20and%20Publications/News/Nuclear%20News/2001/11_13_01.html#1b */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: *JAPANESE OFFICIALS RESIGN OVER U.S. MAD COW DEBACLE* Despite new cases of Mad Cow disease surfacing in the U.S., Japan is reopening its borders to American beef. As a result of the policy decision half of the members of Japan's beef-safety government advisory panel have resigned. Morikazu Shinagawa, a researcher at the national Institute of Animal Health and a resigning member of the panel, told Kyodo News Service he "couldn't continue to work" on the panel because the conclusion to resume imports was preordained by the government. Japan banned U.S. beef imports in 2003 due to weak beef safety regulations in the U.S. While 100% of cows in Japan, aged 24 months and older, are tested for the Mad
Cow disease, only 1% of the 35 million cattle slaughtered annually in the U.S. are tested. Japan recently caved to pressure from the Bush Administration and lift the ban on U.S. beef imports while appointing new "experts" to its beef safety advisory panel. http://www.organicconsumers.org/artman/publish/article_227.cfm[snip]___
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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

As you were, then.

Good Pentagon interview with our boy Rummy on. He acts like the whole
Iraq/Afganistan is just so much hoopla to be wise-cracked about.
Some of the reporters were asking some great questions, which he ducked.

Michael Redler wrote:

...sorry.

I don't know what came over me.

:-)

Mike

*/Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

Redler,

why do you hate freedom so much?

Get with the program.

Michael Redler wrote:

The advance of liberty is the path to both a safer and better
world.

- George W. Bush, Speech to United Nations General Assembly
(September
21, 2004)

1.) 1% testing of US cattle for mad cow disease/shares risk
with Japan
2.) World Health Organization ranks US 37 in health care quality
3.) Rumsfeld makes millions from sale of bird flu vaccine
4.) December, 2001: United States' withdrawal from the 1972
Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty
5.) November, 2001: A 10-year-old program to help Russians prevent
theft of nuclear warheads and weapons-grade uranium and
plutonium was
reduced by $20 million.
6.) Clear Skies weaken and delay health protections already
required
under the law.
7.) EPA C.H.E.E.R.S. CHEMICAL INDUSTRY TO STUDY EFFECTS OF KNOWN
TOXIC CHEMICALS ON CHILDREN

FEMA, FDA, USDA, etc, etc, etc.

So...looking back at the quote, what does this say about the
advance
of liberty?

Mike

Clear skies ref: http://www.nrdc.org/air/pollution/qbushplan.asp
C.H.E.E.R.S. ref: http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa-alert.htm
WHO ref: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
Bird Flu ref: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0312-06.htm
ABM ref:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/12/13/rec.bush.abm/
prevent theft of nuclear warheads ref:

http://www.ransac.org/Projects%20and%20Publications/News/Nuclear%20News/2001/11_13_01.html#1b

*/Mike Weaver /* wrote:

*JAPANESE OFFICIALS RESIGN OVER U.S. MAD COW DEBACLE*
Despite new cases of Mad Cow disease surfacing in the U.S., Japan is
reopening its borders to American beef. As a result of the policy
decision half of the members of Japan's beef-safety government
advisory
panel have resigned. Morikazu Shinagawa, a researcher at the
national
Institute of Animal Health and a resigning member of the panel, told
Kyodo News Service he couldn't continue to work on the panel
because
the conclusion to resume imports was preordained by the government.
Japan banned U.S. beef imports in 2003 due to weak beef safety
regulations in the U.S. While 100% of cows in Japan, aged 24
months and
older, are tested for the Mad Cow disease, only 1% of the 35 million
cattle slaughtered annually in the U.S. are tested. Japan recently
caved
to pressure from the Bush Administration and lift the ban on U.S.
beef
imports while appointing new experts to its beef safety advisory
panel.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/artman/publish/article_227.cfm

[snip]

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Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

2006-04-18 Thread Hakan Falk

Mike,

Now I finally got it and understand the meaning of freedom versus
liberty. Freedom as practiced in US at the moment, also means freedom
from responsibility and accountability.

Liberty do carry some expectations on responsibility and
accountability, which are the parts that US lacks at the moment.

Took some time to catch, but I guess that it is expected from
ignorant foreigners like me.

Hakan

At 18:17 18/04/2006, you wrote:
Redler,

why do you hate freedom so much?

Get with the program.

Michael Redler wrote:

The advance of liberty is the path to both a safer and better world.

- George W. Bush, Speech to United Nations General Assembly (September
21, 2004)

FEMA, FDA, USDA, etc, etc, etc.

So...looking back at the quote, what does this say about the advance
of liberty?

Mike

http://www.ransac.org/Projects%20and%20Publications/News/Nuclear%20News/2001/11_13_01.html#1b

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Hakan,

Freedom means the freedom to borrow 2 billion a week to support a war
we've already lost.
Freedom means never having to say you're sorry.
Freedom means completely trashing a country then getting distracted by a
2 bit tinhorn tyrant in another country and forgetting you promised to
rebuild the first country.
Feedom means the freedom to spy on people.
4 legs good, 2 legs bad, 4 legs good, 2 legs bad, 4 legs good, 2 legs bad

Now just keep saying that...

I didn't know you were a foreigner. That's ok. We American know how to
deal with foreigners,
I'LL JUST TALK REAL LOUD

Like to buy a savings bond?

-M

Hakan Falk wrote:

Mike,

Now I finally got it and understand the meaning of freedom versus
liberty. Freedom as practiced in US at the moment, also means freedom
from responsibility and accountability.

Liberty do carry some expectations on responsibility and
accountability, which are the parts that US lacks at the moment.

Took some time to catch, but I guess that it is expected from
ignorant foreigners like me.

Hakan

At 18:17 18/04/2006, you wrote:

Redler,

why do you hate freedom so much?

Get with the program.

Michael Redler wrote:

The advance of liberty is the path to both a safer and better world.

- George W. Bush, Speech to United Nations General Assembly (September
21, 2004)

FEMA, FDA, USDA, etc, etc, etc.

So...looking back at the quote, what does this say about the advance
of liberty?

Mike

http://www.ransac.org/Projects%20and%20Publications/News/Nuclear%20News/2001/11_13_01.html#1b

*/Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] You were saying?

Hakan,When I opened this message, I could smell a little sarcasm but, I'm at a loss as to why. There might be a little misunderstanding here since (I think) we are on the same side of the issue(s).My previous post was in the form of a question. Do you have an answer?MikeHakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Mike,Now I finally got it and understand the meaning of freedom versus liberty. Freedom as practiced in US at the moment, also means freedom from responsibility and accountability.Liberty do carry some expectations on responsibility and accountability, which are the parts that US lacks at the moment.Took some time to catch, but I guess that it is expected from ignorant foreigners
 like me.HakanAt 18:17 18/04/2006, you wrote:Redler,why do you hate freedom so much?Get with the program.Michael Redler wrote:  "The advance of liberty is the path to both a safer and better world."   - George W. Bush, Speech to United Nations General Assembly (September  21, 2004)   1.) 1% testing of US cattle for mad cow disease/"shares" risk with Japan  2.) World Health Organization ranks US 37 in health care quality  3.) Rumsfeld makes millions from sale of bird flu vaccine  4.) December, 2001: United States' withdrawal from the 1972  Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty  5.) November, 2001: A 10-year-old program to help Russians prevent  theft of nuclear warheads and weapons-grade uranium and plutonium was  reduced by $20 million.
  6.) "Clear Skies" weaken and delay health protections already required  under the law.  7.) EPA "C.H.E.E.R.S." CHEMICAL INDUSTRY TO STUDY EFFECTS OF KNOWN  TOXIC CHEMICALS ON CHILDREN   FEMA, FDA, USDA, etc, etc, etc.   So...looking back at the quote, what does this say about "the advance  of liberty"?   Mike   Clear skies ref: http://www.nrdc.org/air/pollution/qbushplan.asp  C.H.E.E.R.S. ref: http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa-alert.htm  WHO ref: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html  Bird Flu ref: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0312-06.htm  ABM ref: http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/12/13/rec.bush.abm/  prevent theft of nuclear warheads ref:  
 http://www.ransac.org/Projects%20and%20Publications/News/Nuclear%20News/2001/11_13_01.html#1b   */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:   *JAPANESE OFFICIALS RESIGN OVER U.S. MAD COW DEBACLE*  Despite new cases of Mad Cow disease surfacing in the U.S., Japan is  reopening its borders to American beef. As a result of the policy  decision half of the members of Japan's beef-safety government  advisory  [snip]___
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2006-04-18 Thread Hakan Falk

Mike,

It was little sarcasm and playing on that the lack of advance of
liberty, is currently called freedom. I have no answer of why it is
such a lack of advance in liberty and so much talk of freedom.

US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stay
after his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last trick. I
doubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other than
the hope that next election will be more kind to the world. Until
then, US will continue with self inflicting wounds and destroying
their friends, it is nothing to do about it. In this case sarcasm is
as usual a way to survive with at least some of the senses intact.

Hakan

At 20:33 18/04/2006, you wrote:
Hakan,

When I opened this message, I could smell a little sarcasm but, I'm
at a loss as to why. There might be a little misunderstanding here
since (I think) we are on the same side of the issue(s).

My previous post was in the form of a question. Do you have an answer?

Mike

Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mike,

Now I finally got it and understand the meaning of freedom versus
liberty. Freedom as practiced in US at the moment, also means freedom
from responsibility and accountability.

Liberty do carry some expectations on responsibility and
accountability, which are the parts that US lacks at the moment.

Took some time to catch, but I guess that it is expected from
ignorant foreigners like me.

Hakan

At 18:17 18/04/2006, you wrote:
Redler,

why do you hate freedom so much?

Get with the program.

Michael Redler wrote:

The advance of liberty is the path to both a safer and better world.

- George W. Bush, Speech to United Nations General Assembly (September
21, 2004)

FEMA, FDA, USDA, etc, etc, etc.

So...looking back at the quote, what does this say about the advance
of liberty?

Mike

http://www.ransac.org/Projects%20and%20Publications/News/Nuclear%20News/2001/11_13_01.html#1b

*/Mike Weaver /* wrote:

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2006-04-18 Thread robert luis rabello

Hakan Falk wrote:


 US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stay 
 after his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last trick. I 
 doubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other than 
 the hope that next election will be more kind to the world. 

Are you kidding?  We could have Jeb, then Neil, then Marvin, and 
after them, Jenna and Barbara.  We could have a Bush family dynasty 
for better than 50 years over here!



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Not Neil

robert luis rabello wrote:

Hakan Falk wrote:


  

US missed an opportunity in the last election, but Bush cannot stay 
after his period, if he does not also try to pull AH's last trick. I 
doubt that this can be done in US, nothing is really left other than 
the hope that next election will be more kind to the world. 



   Are you kidding?  We could have Jeb, then Neil, then Marvin, and 
after them, Jenna and Barbara.  We could have a Bush family dynasty 
for better than 50 years over here!



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