Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging
LOL LOL LOL of course. I didn't consider that. It is so obvious when you follow the money trail isn't it. Strange how everything makes sense when you just understand that someone in the story has to be greedy! Joe Jason Katie wrote: in canada the fuel companies were crying because the fuel density change was happening reverse of the warmer areas. it was colder for more of the year, so they demanded thermal adjustment so THEY didnt lose money. america doesnt have that, because the weights and measures board is pretty much headed by corporate retirees, and the fuel expansion is working to their benefit. On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 10:09 -0400, Joe Street wrote: I've noticed that the pumps in Kanada ( note: new spelling commensurate with Stephen Harper Gov't policies) have a label with fine print that say 'volume corrected to 15 degrees centigrade' or something to that effect. Isn't there a similar thing on the Amerikan pumps? Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: Thats why I fill in the early morning Kirk Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can. jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging
Personally I think this is one of those slow news day items trotted out on occasion, this is not the first time this is news.As I'm concerned I see nothing to be concerned about as, in the long run it averages out. The retailer, will not be making a lot of extra profit, so the consumers will not be gouged. Just more instance of, spinning one small single fact, instead of looking at the bigger picture. Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. Jeff Lyles wrote: When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that the gas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept the tanks are at, tend to say at that temperature. The stable ground temp is one reason why some people use the ground in there geothermal units to heat and cool their homes. Jeff ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging
I have to agree. I bet the difference between accellerating quickly and driving like a grandma is as much, if not much more. A friend of mine would notice his gas mileage on a very consistent commute dropping from 30 to about 28 during midterms or finals, because he was more stressed and drove faster. On 8/29/06, Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I think this is one of those slow news day items trotted outon occasion, this is not the first time this is news.As I'm concerned Isee nothing to be concerned about as, in the long run it averages out. The retailer, will not be making a lot of extra profit, so theconsumers will not be gouged. Just more instance of, spinningone smallsingle fact, instead of looking at the bigger picture.Doug, N0LKKKansas USA inc. Jeff Lyles wrote: When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that the gas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept the tanks are at, tend to say at that temperature. The stable ground temp is one reason why some people use the ground in there geothermal units to heat and cool their homes. Jeff___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging
When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that the gas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept the tanks are at, tend to say at that temperature. The stable ground temp is one reason why some people use the ground in there geothermal units to heat and cool their homes. Jeff - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can. jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging
The temperature of the of the pump, gas metering valve and piping can effect the density and therefore how much fuel you actually get. The pumps sitting in full sunlight are going to be the hottest. The ones in the shade and used most often will be the coolest. Like Kirk says, fuel up in the morning for the most 'bang for the buck' (sorry, but it had to be said)How much is the difference between 60*F gasoline and, say, 80*F gasoline? Diesel? On 8/28/06, Jeff Lyles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that thegas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept thetanks are at, tend to say at that temperature.The stable ground temp is one reason why some people use the ground in there geothermal units to heat and cool their homes.Jeff- Original Message -From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: list biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:38 PMSubject: [Biofuel] hidden price gougingi actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can. jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging
I've noticed that the pumps in Kanada ( note: new spelling commensurate with Stephen Harper Gov't policies) have a label with fine print that say 'volume corrected to 15 degrees centigrade' or something to that effect. Isn't there a similar thing on the Amerikan pumps? Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: Thats why I fill in the early morning Kirk Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can. jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging
I was aware of it because a cousin who lived in Reno warned me not to fill up as by afternoon the tank would leak (overflow) and the Reno Fire Department would siphon 5 gallons from the offenders tank eliminating a "fire hazard" I imagine the expansion would have to exceed a half gallon or more for this to happen. I suppose the CRC handbook has the expansion info for say 50F delta.KirkPaul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The temperature of the of the pump, gas metering valve and piping can effect the density and therefore how much fuel you actually get. The pumps sitting in full sunlight are going to be the hottest. The ones in the shade and used most often will be the coolest. Like Kirk says, fuel up in the morning for the most 'bang for the buck' (sorry, but it had to be said)How much is the difference between 60*F gasoline and, say, 80*F gasoline? Diesel? On 8/28/06, Jeff Lyles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that thegas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept thetanks are at, tend to say at that temperature.The stable ground temp is one reason why some people use the ground in there geothermal units to heat and cool their homes.Jeff- Original Message -From: "Jason Katie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "list" biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:38 PMSubject: [Biofuel] hidden price gougingi actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can. jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2ยข/min or less.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging
thats the trick though. underground fuel reservoirs are required to be double walled due to leakproofing laws and this acts somewhat like a thermos bottle. the fuel stays pretty close to the temp of when it gets dropped from the truck, at least for a couple of months. in the summers when the trucks get really hot in transit, the fuel stays that temp for a LONG time underground. On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 04:36 -0700, Jeff Lyles wrote: When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that the gas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept the tanks are at, tend to say at that temperature. The stable ground temp is one reason why some people use the ground in there geothermal units to heat and cool their homes. Jeff - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can. jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging
in canada the fuel companies were crying because the fuel density change was happening reverse of the warmer areas. it was colder for more of the year, so they demanded thermal adjustment so THEY didnt lose money. america doesnt have that, because the weights and measures board is pretty much headed by corporate retirees, and the fuel expansion is working to their benefit. On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 10:09 -0400, Joe Street wrote: I've noticed that the pumps in Kanada ( note: new spelling commensurate with Stephen Harper Gov't policies) have a label with fine print that say 'volume corrected to 15 degrees centigrade' or something to that effect. Isn't there a similar thing on the Amerikan pumps? Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: Thats why I fill in the early morning Kirk Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can. jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] hidden price gouging
i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can. jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging
Thats why I fill in the early morningKirkJason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in therestaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of thekansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dontmonitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the marketprices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. theamerican standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there areno pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures-sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel densityquite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it isall over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will doanything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can.jason___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/