Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging

2006-08-30 Thread Joe Street




LOL LOL LOL of course. I didn't consider that. It is so obvious when
you follow the money trail isn't it. Strange how everything makes
sense when you just understand that someone in the story has to be
greedy!

Joe

Jason  Katie wrote:

  in canada the fuel companies were crying because the fuel density change
was happening reverse of the warmer areas. it was colder for more of the
year, so they demanded thermal adjustment so THEY didnt lose money.
america doesnt have that, because the weights and measures board is
pretty much headed by corporate retirees, and the fuel expansion is
working to their benefit.

On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 10:09 -0400, Joe Street wrote:
  
  
I've noticed that the pumps in Kanada ( note: new spelling
commensurate with Stephen Harper Gov't policies) have a label with
fine print that say 'volume corrected to 15 degrees centigrade'  or
something to that effect.  Isn't there a similar thing on the Amerikan
pumps?

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


  Thats why I fill in the early morning
 
Kirk

Jason  Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the
one in the
restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page
article of the
kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling
stations dont
monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the
market
prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually
is. the
american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit,
and there are
no pumps in amerika that correct for the different
temperatures
-sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel
density
quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now
that it is
all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone
will do
anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i
can.

jason


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Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging

2006-08-29 Thread Doug Younker
Personally I think this is one of those slow news day items trotted out 
on occasion, this is not the first time this is news.As I'm concerned I 
see nothing to be concerned about as, in the long run it averages out. 
  The retailer, will not be making a lot of extra profit, so the 
consumers will not be gouged. Just more instance of, spinning  one small 
single fact, instead of looking at the bigger picture.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.


Jeff Lyles wrote:
 When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that the 
 gas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept the 
 tanks are at, tend to say at that temperature.
 The stable ground temp is one reason why some people use the ground in there 
 geothermal units to heat and cool their homes.
 Jeff


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Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging

2006-08-29 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I have to agree. I bet the difference between accellerating quickly and driving like a grandma is as much, if not much more. A friend of mine would notice his gas mileage on a very consistent commute dropping from 30 to about 28 during midterms or finals, because he was more stressed and drove faster.
On 8/29/06, Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally I think this is one of those slow news day items trotted outon occasion, this is not the first time this is news.As I'm concerned Isee nothing to be concerned about as, in the long run it averages out.
The retailer, will not be making a lot of extra profit, so theconsumers will not be gouged. Just more instance of, spinningone smallsingle fact, instead of looking at the bigger picture.Doug, N0LKKKansas USA inc.
Jeff Lyles wrote: When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that the gas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept the tanks are at, tend to say at that temperature.
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Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging

2006-08-28 Thread Jeff Lyles
When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that the 
gas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept the 
tanks are at, tend to say at that temperature.
The stable ground temp is one reason why some people use the ground in there 
geothermal units to heat and cool their homes.
Jeff
- Original Message - 
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To: list biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging


i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the
 restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the
 kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont
 monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market
 prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the
 american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are
 no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures
 -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density
 quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is
 all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do
 anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can.

 jason


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Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging

2006-08-28 Thread Paul S Cantrell
The temperature of the of the pump, gas metering valve and piping can effect the density and therefore how much fuel you actually get. The pumps sitting in full sunlight are going to be the hottest. The ones in the shade and used most often will be the coolest.
Like Kirk says, fuel up in the morning for the most 'bang for the buck' (sorry, but it had to be said)How much is the difference between 60*F gasoline and, say, 80*F gasoline? Diesel?
On 8/28/06, Jeff Lyles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that thegas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept thetanks are at, tend to say at that temperature.The stable ground temp is one reason why some people use the ground in there
geothermal units to heat and cool their homes.Jeff- Original Message -From: Jason  Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: list 
biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:38 PMSubject: [Biofuel] hidden price gougingi actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the
 restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market
 prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures
 -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do
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Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging

2006-08-28 Thread Joe Street




I've noticed that the pumps in Kanada ( note: new spelling commensurate
with Stephen Harper Gov't policies) have a label with fine print that
say 'volume corrected to 15 degrees centigrade' or something to that
effect. Isn't there a similar thing on the Amerikan pumps?

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:

  Thats why I fill in the early morning
  
  Kirk
  
  Jason  Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i
actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the
restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the
kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont
monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market
prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the
american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are
no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures
-sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density
quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is
all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do
anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can.

jason


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Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging

2006-08-28 Thread Kirk McLoren
I was aware of it because a cousin who lived in Reno warned me not to fill up as by afternoon the tank would leak (overflow) and the Reno Fire Department would siphon 5 gallons from the offenders tank eliminating a "fire hazard"  I imagine the expansion would have to exceed a half gallon or more for this to happen. I suppose the CRC handbook has the expansion info for say 50F delta.KirkPaul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The temperature of the of the pump, gas metering valve and piping can effect the density and therefore how much fuel you actually get. The pumps sitting in full sunlight are going to be the hottest. The ones in the shade and used most often will be the coolest. Like Kirk says, fuel up in the morning for the most 'bang for the buck' (sorry,
 but it had to be said)How much is the difference between 60*F gasoline and, say, 80*F gasoline? Diesel?  On 8/28/06, Jeff Lyles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that thegas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept thetanks are at, tend to say at that temperature.The stable ground temp is one reason why some people use the ground in there geothermal units to heat and cool their homes.Jeff- Original Message -From: "Jason  Katie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "list"  biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:38 PMSubject: [Biofuel] hidden price gougingi actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the  restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market  prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures  -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do  anything about it? i intend to
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Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging

2006-08-28 Thread Jason Katie
thats the trick though. underground fuel reservoirs are required to be
double walled due to leakproofing laws and this acts somewhat like a
thermos bottle. the fuel stays pretty close to the temp of when it gets
dropped from the truck, at least for a couple of months. in the summers
when the trucks get really hot in transit, the fuel stays that temp for
a LONG time underground.

  On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 04:36 -0700, Jeff Lyles wrote:
 When you get gas from underground pumps, I am inclined to believe that the 
 gas is around the 50 to 60 degree range because the ground, at the dept the 
 tanks are at, tend to say at that temperature.
 The stable ground temp is one reason why some people use the ground in there 
 geothermal units to heat and cool their homes.
 Jeff
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jason  Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: list biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:38 PM
 Subject: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging
 
 
 i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the
  restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the
  kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont
  monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market
  prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the
  american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are
  no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures
  -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density
  quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is
  all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do
  anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can.
 
  jason
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging

2006-08-28 Thread Jason Katie
in canada the fuel companies were crying because the fuel density change
was happening reverse of the warmer areas. it was colder for more of the
year, so they demanded thermal adjustment so THEY didnt lose money.
america doesnt have that, because the weights and measures board is
pretty much headed by corporate retirees, and the fuel expansion is
working to their benefit.

On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 10:09 -0400, Joe Street wrote:
 I've noticed that the pumps in Kanada ( note: new spelling
 commensurate with Stephen Harper Gov't policies) have a label with
 fine print that say 'volume corrected to 15 degrees centigrade'  or
 something to that effect.  Isn't there a similar thing on the Amerikan
 pumps?
 
 Joe
 
 Kirk McLoren wrote:
  Thats why I fill in the early morning
   
  Kirk
  
  Jason  Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the
  one in the
  restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page
  article of the
  kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling
  stations dont
  monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the
  market
  prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually
  is. the
  american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit,
  and there are
  no pumps in amerika that correct for the different
  temperatures
  -sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel
  density
  quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now
  that it is
  all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone
  will do
  anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i
  can.
  
  jason
  
  
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[Biofuel] hidden price gouging

2006-08-27 Thread Jason Katie
i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in the
restaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of the
kansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dont
monitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the market
prices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. the
american standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there are
no pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures
-sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel density
quite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it is
all over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will do
anything about it? i intend to spread the news as far as i can.

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Re: [Biofuel] hidden price gouging

2006-08-27 Thread Kirk McLoren
Thats why I fill in the early morningKirkJason  Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  i actually bought a newspaper today, instead of reading the one in therestaurant over lunch. i did this because the front page article of thekansas city star is about hot gas. apparently the filling stations dontmonitor the temperature of their fuel and still charge the marketprices, no matter what the density of the gallon actually is. theamerican standard for measuring fuel is at 60*Fahrenheit, and there areno pumps in amerika that correct for the different temperatures-sometimes up to 40*F higher than standard lowering the fuel densityquite a bit. very few people actually knew about it, but now that it isall over the front page news around here, i wonder if anyone will
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