Re: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-04 Thread Martin Klingensmith

Some ISPs have a intercepting proxy server [hidden]. That must be what is
giving you the 403 error. Not you Keith - Motie
And if you called to ask them about it they probably wouldn't know what you
were talking about, I used to work at an ISP, some people running tech
support.. well.. doesn't matter I guess. :)
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[biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-04 Thread motie_d

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Amar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here's a suggestion for downloading the file.
 
 This will bypass starting up the browser plugin, and save the file 
directly
 to disk.
 
 If you bring up the library page on the Journey to Forever site
 http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/. In IE, right click on 
the file
 continuousalcohol.PDF on the library page, where a menu will pop 
up. Click
 on Save Target As... in the menu. Choose where you want to save 
the file,
 and click the Save button.
 
 In Netscape, right click on the file, a menu will pop up. Click 
on Save Link
 As... in the menu. Choose where you want to save the file, and 
click the
 Save button.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 -Chris
 I can either download or open in another window every file EXCEPT 
the one I want. It will not open with 'save as' feature, or open in 
separate window. I get access denied message.

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[biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-04 Thread motie_d

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Motie and all
 
 
 
 I don't get it - I can go straight to the file or via the library 
 page, view it in the browser or download it, whatever, using any of 
 four different browsers. But next time (if any) I won't point you 
 directly at a pdf but at the index page instead. Or perhaps here 
 (right-click, LOL):
 http://www.apple.com/
 
 g
 
 Regards
 
 Keith


 The last suggestion, with a link to Apple, would likely be 
the 'best' solution. I'm more than willing to accept any and all 
donations towards that end. LOL

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[biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-04 Thread motie_d

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   -Chris
  I can either download or open in another window every file EXCEPT 
 the one I want. It will not open with 'save as' feature, or open in 
 separate window. I get access denied message.
 
 Motie

 Something really strange is going on, and I am sure it's on my end. 
Keith sent me the .PDF as an attachment in an Email. When I tried to 
open it, I got the same message, that unauthorized access was denied. 
I saved it to my hard drive, and it opens nicely.
 I have no idea what the problem was/is.

Thanks to everyone for their time and effort.
Motie
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-03 Thread Chris Amar

Here's a suggestion for downloading the file.

This will bypass starting up the browser plugin, and save the file directly
to disk.

If you bring up the library page on the Journey to Forever site
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/. In IE, right click on the file
continuousalcohol.PDF on the library page, where a menu will pop up. Click
on Save Target As... in the menu. Choose where you want to save the file,
and click the Save button.

In Netscape, right click on the file, a menu will pop up. Click on Save Link
As... in the menu. Choose where you want to save the file, and click the
Save button.

Hope this helps.

-Chris


kirk wrote:

 Locks up my browser. Have to bring up Windows taskmaster and terminate
 acrobat reader before I can close window or do anything else
 Kirk


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[biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-03 Thread motie_d

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I hate to add to band-width useage to say, me too, but the link to
 download it won't let me access it.
  How big is the file? I have a very strong dislike for attachments,
 but I would accept that one, if it's clearly identified in the body
 of a message.
  Can it be copied into the body of a message and posted?
 
 Motie
 
 Will you try again please Motie? I can't see anything wrong with it.
 http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/continuousalcohol.PDF
 
 Also try accessing some other part of our site, say the Library 
page:
 http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html
 
 Please, anyone else who's having the trouble Motie's having, let me 
know.
 
 Thanks
 
 Keith

 Keith,
I can open the library link, but not the .PDF file. I opened the 
library link, then tried to go to the .PDF, but I am also denied 
access through that method.
 It is a 403 ERROR(forbidden) not the common 404 ERROR(file not found)

Motie
This is not the only site I occasionally have that problem with. My 
security firewall is set HIGH. If your site requires Cookies(it 
didn't ask me to accept any) I should get a pop-up asking whether to 
allow it.
Other types of Stealthy traceing devices will not even notify me. You 
aren't trying to secretively track users are you? Or is someone else 
secretively tracking visitors without your knowledge? There are some 
sneaky little one-pixel .gif spy files that can be inserted into a 
page and never be noticed without an active scan.
 Intuition tells me that this is the likely problem. I don't accept 
Stealthy Spyware that will track me to every site I visit and report 
back to whoever placed the 'bug'.


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Re: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-03 Thread robert luis rabello



motie_d wrote:

  Keith,
 I can open the library link, but not the .PDF file. I opened the
 library link, then tried to go to the .PDF, but I am also denied
 access through that method.
  It is a 403 ERROR(forbidden) not the common 404 ERROR(file not found)

 Motie
 This is not the only site I occasionally have that problem with. My
 security firewall is set HIGH. If your site requires Cookies(it
 didn't ask me to accept any) I should get a pop-up asking whether to
 allow it.
 Other types of Stealthy traceing devices will not even notify me. You
 aren't trying to secretively track users are you? Or is someone else
 secretively tracking visitors without your knowledge? There are some
 sneaky little one-pixel .gif spy files that can be inserted into a
 page and never be noticed without an active scan.
  Intuition tells me that this is the likely problem. I don't accept
 Stealthy Spyware that will track me to every site I visit and report
 back to whoever placed the 'bug'.

I don't think that's the problem.  I'm also behind a firewall, I don't
accept cookies and I have anti spyware software installed on my machine
also.  About a minute ago, I successfully downloaded the pdf file.  Something
must be wrong on your end.

robert luis rabello


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[biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-03 Thread Keith Addison

Hi Motie and all

snip

 Keith,
I can open the library link, but not the .PDF file. I opened the
library link, then tried to go to the .PDF, but I am also denied
access through that method.
 It is a 403 ERROR(forbidden) not the common 404 ERROR(file not found)

Motie
This is not the only site I occasionally have that problem with. My
security firewall is set HIGH. If your site requires Cookies(it
didn't ask me to accept any) I should get a pop-up asking whether to
allow it.
Other types of Stealthy traceing devices will not even notify me. You
aren't trying to secretively track users are you? Or is someone else
secretively tracking visitors without your knowledge? There are some
sneaky little one-pixel .gif spy files that can be inserted into a
page and never be noticed without an active scan.
 Intuition tells me that this is the likely problem. I don't accept
Stealthy Spyware that will track me to every site I visit and report
back to whoever placed the 'bug'.

There are NO cookies, tracking devices, spyware, stealthware, 
otherwise spooky stuff, or anything intrusive at all at Journey to 
Forever, good grief. We don't even use web counters - we get traffic 
reports from our host, and that's all. Neither does our host use any 
such devices to generate their reports, it's just a log, that's all.

So it's you, Motie, not us. (I'll send it to you direct.)

I asked our hosts to check it, they did, couldn't find any problems. 
I also asked friends to check it, no problem. Kirk was having a 
problem, I asked him to try downloading it instead of viewing: 
Tested it--download ok - Kirk

See Chris Amar's earlier message (thankyou Chris):
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=13541list=BIOFUEL
Info-Archive at NNYTech

Only that's the directory, this is the library page:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html
See: Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute Alcohol

I don't get it - I can go straight to the file or via the library 
page, view it in the browser or download it, whatever, using any of 
four different browsers. But next time (if any) I won't point you 
directly at a pdf but at the index page instead. Or perhaps here 
(right-click, LOL):
http://www.apple.com/

g

Regards

Keith


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Re: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-02 Thread Joe Trotter

Include me in that

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:03 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol


  Include me on that list as well. Can you post it with Keith? g a
 whitson-

 Hi Gaw, Marc and all

 Sure, I could do that. I was just about to say Me too please! Marc,
 but this might save you some trouble?

 What's the rule? I think you can make a patented something for
 experimentation or education or your own use, can't you?

 Best

 Keith

 -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent
   1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute
   Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?
  
   Marc de Piolenc
   Iligan, Philippines
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   They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
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[biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-02 Thread motie_d

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joe Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Include me in that
 
 
  -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US 
Patent
1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of 
Absolute
Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?
   
Marc de Piolenc
Iligan, Philippines
--

 I hate to add to band-width useage to say, me too, but the link to 
download it won't let me access it.
 How big is the file? I have a very strong dislike for attachments, 
but I would accept that one, if it's clearly identified in the body 
of a message.
 Can it be copied into the body of a message and posted?

Motie


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[biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-02 Thread Keith Addison

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joe Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Include me in that
 
  
   -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US
Patent
 1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of
Absolute
 Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?

 Marc de Piolenc
 Iligan, Philippines
 --

 I hate to add to band-width useage to say, me too, but the link to
download it won't let me access it.
 How big is the file? I have a very strong dislike for attachments,
but I would accept that one, if it's clearly identified in the body
of a message.
 Can it be copied into the body of a message and posted?

Motie

Will you try again please Motie? I can't see anything wrong with it.
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/continuousalcohol.PDF

Also try accessing some other part of our site, say the Library page:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html

Please, anyone else who's having the trouble Motie's having, let me know.

Thanks

Keith


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RE: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-02 Thread Keith Addison

Locks up my browser. Have to bring up Windows taskmaster and terminate
acrobat reader before I can close window or do anything else
Kirk

Thanks. I've no idea what's wrong, we've tried from several different 
points, no problem. I've asked our hosts to investigate, I'll forward 
this to them. (I don't usually let browsers read pdfs, just download 
them, but everybody's got their own way, shouldn't exclude anyone.)

Best

Keith



-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:19 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol


 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joe Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Include me in that
  
   
-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US
 Patent
  1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of
 Absolute
  Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?
 
  Marc de Piolenc
  Iligan, Philippines
  --
 
  I hate to add to band-width useage to say, me too, but the link to
 download it won't let me access it.
  How big is the file? I have a very strong dislike for attachments,
 but I would accept that one, if it's clearly identified in the body
 of a message.
  Can it be copied into the body of a message and posted?
 
 Motie

Will you try again please Motie? I can't see anything wrong with it.
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/continuousalcohol.PDF

Also try accessing some other part of our site, say the Library page:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html

Please, anyone else who's having the trouble Motie's having, let me know.

Thanks

Keith


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[biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-01 Thread gawchicken2001

 Include me on that list as well. Can you post it with Keith? g a 
whitson-

-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent
 1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute
 Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?
 
 Marc de Piolenc
 Iligan, Philippines
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[biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-01 Thread Keith Addison

 Include me on that list as well. Can you post it with Keith? g a
whitson-

Hi Gaw, Marc and all

Sure, I could do that. I was just about to say Me too please! Marc, 
but this might save you some trouble?

What's the rule? I think you can make a patented something for 
experimentation or education or your own use, can't you?

Best

Keith

-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent
  1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute
  Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?
 
  Marc de Piolenc
  Iligan, Philippines
  --
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  They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
  safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin


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RE: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-01 Thread Keith Addison

You can build one for yourself, you just can't build for commerce.
Kirk

Right, thanks Kirk. No problem then.

Keith


-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:03 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol


  Include me on that list as well. Can you post it with Keith? g a
 whitson-

Hi Gaw, Marc and all

Sure, I could do that. I was just about to say Me too please! Marc,
but this might save you some trouble?

What's the rule? I think you can make a patented something for
experimentation or education or your own use, can't you?

Best

Keith

 -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent
   1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute
   Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?
  
   Marc de Piolenc
   Iligan, Philippines
   --
   Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776
  
   They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin


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RE: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-01 Thread kirk

You can build one for yourself, you just can't build for commerce.
Kirk

-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:03 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol


 Include me on that list as well. Can you post it with Keith? g a
whitson-

Hi Gaw, Marc and all

Sure, I could do that. I was just about to say Me too please! Marc, 
but this might save you some trouble?

What's the rule? I think you can make a patented something for 
experimentation or education or your own use, can't you?

Best

Keith

-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent
  1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute
  Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?
 
  Marc de Piolenc
  Iligan, Philippines
  --
  Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776
 
  They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
  safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin



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Re: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-01 Thread Martin Klingensmith

Of course!
and if you can't legally... I won't tell.
I'm going to look into this system as well, hopefully it isn't too complicated
or chemically-prohibitive.
-Martin

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 Sure, I could do that. I was just about to say Me too please! Marc, 
 but this might save you some trouble?
 
 What's the rule? I think you can make a patented something for 
 experimentation or education or your own use, can't you?
 
 Best
 
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RE: RE: [biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-01 Thread georgelola

Marc

I would like a copy of that if you would.

George

 -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent
   1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute
   Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?
  
   Marc de Piolenc
   Iligan, Philippines



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[biofuel] Re: Continuous manufacture of absolute alcohol

2002-05-01 Thread shoprat06488

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Marc
 
 I would like a copy of that if you would.
 
 George
 
  -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US 
Patent
1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of 
Absolute
Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?
   
Marc de Piolenc
Iligan, Philippines
 
 i also would like a copy.
   regards,roger ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
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