Re: [biofuel] Re: Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe
I am with you, Martin. I run a doggy old IBM P3/800 computer on Linux (currently I use Mepis distribution - great first timers Linux distro that runs directly off the CD to try it out). Users of the Monopoly software owned by Mr Gates do not know what they are missing out on! I sleep well knowing that I am not supporting a monopoly company, or ripping off the software companies by using unlicensed software. I also do not have to pay for anti-spyware or anti anything software! I estimate I save about $Au500/year by not buying software, and another $Au500/year on un-needed hardware. There are solutions to run Windows software if really necessary, but I have never needed it. (I receive Word .doc files, edit them with OpenOffice, resave in Word format, resend them. I have never had a complaint. They do net even realise I am editing in anything but Word.) The same applies broadly to Spreadsheets, Presentations, etc etc. For ordinary SOHO applications, there is now little reason not to change, and if on the net, every reason to change. regards Doug PS: I only use Text for email, so there is no way that a Linux box can attach a virus to outgoing emails! I often see spurious emails coming in, but as I have no Microsoft software running, there is no way the viruses can be executed or passed on! On Sat, 22 May 2004 05:19 am, Martin Klingensmith wrote: biobenz wrote: Doug; Of course it is not lost that the fact that you haven't run a virus checker leaves you in the absolute dark as to whether or not your PC is loaded with spyware/adware ect... How do you know? You could be the trap door to the mountains of spam that get sent via infected machines every day. The only reason we hear more about MS getting hit by hackers so much is because that's what the majority of the world is using. Linux or And because they don't fix security holes. Mac are NOT immune to infection and should they become more popular they too would see the happy litte bugs showinig up in droves looking for a home.This not to say that they have not been targeted in the past, as they have, sucessfully, so to say that this OS or that is better and immune is a false sense of security that could end up costing you big time should one of these little mignons decide that seeing as how Linux and Mac users are so not looking for an attack that that just might be fun to hit next. Linux distributions come with higher security by default. Windows still can't get the multi-user security correct. The better solution is to invest the money the hackers have forced you to dish out and get GOOD anti-virus/anti-hacking software as well as spyware and adware removal software and be happy that you did it BEFORE you lost your hard drive to some helpful hacker. The only antivirus software on my linux machines is to filter out windows viruses from email attachments. Ask Keith about this. Personally I run Norton's Internet Security combined with Spybot Search and Destroy for spyware and Ad-Aware by Lavasoft for the adware and although many many attempts have been made at gaining access to my Windows XP equiped machine none have yet suceeded in so doing, thank God, although NO system is 100% ironclad shut to hacking we owe it to ourselves to make the job as difficult as possible and then the hackathons will simply find an easier target, such as one who isn't expecting them, like say, a Linux or Mac user who thinks he/she is impervious to them. My system is impervious to viruses. Why? Because I know what's going on in here, and I don't install junk software. I have never had a virus. The fact is, if you DO NOT run anti-virus checks then HOW do you know you aren't infected? Answer: you don't. Luc I'm not. If you're running windows then you don't know. -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe
software so you're not broadcasting your IP or e-mail addresses None of these will truly protect you from the most determined hacker, but the harder you make it the more likely they will move on to an easier target. If anyone needs any advice with any of the above, I'd be glad to lend a hand, just mail me. Between myself, my stepson his co- workers we have quite a wealth of knowledge on internet security programming (one co-worker has written system control software for Powergen, the QE2 etc) Cheers Malcolm Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 May 2004 20:04 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Received a message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] biofuel-unsubscribe I received a message from that email address. The email contains an attachment. Being the suspicious type, I expect it's an attempt to infect me with a virus, since I have not yet unsubscribed from this list. Anyone else seen such emails? Bryan False sender's address, can't be helped. Certainly a virus. We've had quite a few viruses purporting to come from Yahoo. We've even had viruses purporting to come from Journey to Forever, even from us personally, doing things like warning us that our email service is going to be closed down, please see the attachment (not!). It's happening to everyone, including a lot of the big environment groups, NGOs, businesses, all sorts of people. Keep your system properly patched and protected, keep your virus gear up to date, be a suspicious type. You can't get a virus via the group, by the way, it just can't happen. But you can get a virus from a false address pretending to be from the group, though you should be able to see the difference, as you did with this. Dear old Micro$oft, what a disaster. Yes, sure, if you keep it all squeaky-clean then there's no problem, right. Maybe it's even true, but during the most recent virus onslaught something like 70 million Windoze computers were infected and spewing out viruses and spam, the owners all cheerfully unaware. A security survey of a million computers in businesses in the US found an *average* infection rate of 28 viruses and worms per machine. It won't get better until M$ wakes up to the idea that maybe a secure OS might be something to think about. Holding your breath is contraindicated. Dumbo system administrators who set up protection systems that automatically send the damned things *back* to where they almost certainly didn't come from don't exactly help, but it seems to be their default mode. :-( Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe
Doug; Of course it is not lost that the fact that you haven't run a virus checker leaves you in the absolute dark as to whether or not your PC is loaded with spyware/adware ect... How do you know? You could be the trap door to the mountains of spam that get sent via infected machines every day. The only reason we hear more about MS getting hit by hackers so much is because that's what the majority of the world is using. Linux or Mac are NOT immune to infection and should they become more popular they too would see the happy litte bugs showinig up in droves looking for a home.This not to say that they have not been targeted in the past, as they have, sucessfully, so to say that this OS or that is better and immune is a false sense of security that could end up costing you big time should one of these little mignons decide that seeing as how Linux and Mac users are so not looking for an attack that that just might be fun to hit next. The better solution is to invest the money the hackers have forced you to dish out and get GOOD anti-virus/anti-hacking software as well as spyware and adware removal software and be happy that you did it BEFORE you lost your hard drive to some helpful hacker. Personally I run Norton's Internet Security combined with Spybot Search and Destroy for spyware and Ad-Aware by Lavasoft for the adware and although many many attempts have been made at gaining access to my Windows XP equiped machine none have yet suceeded in so doing, thank God, although NO system is 100% ironclad shut to hacking we owe it to ourselves to make the job as difficult as possible and then the hackathons will simply find an easier target, such as one who isn't expecting them, like say, a Linux or Mac user who thinks he/she is impervious to them. The fact is, if you DO NOT run anti-virus checks then HOW do you know you aren't infected? Answer: you don't. Luc --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And another way - get a Mac! There is another way: just run Linux! I have yet to have a virus problem, I do not even run a virus checker! Same. regards Doug (A die-hard Linux user of 3 years+) So what it does indeed come down to is dear old M$. Best Keith On Fri, 21 May 2004 09:45 am, malcolm maclure wrote: Unfortunately folks, no matter what Microsoft or any third party s/w company produce to counter this situation, it will be hacked in a very short time. A similar situation exists for online gamers, a world dogged by a minority of people who cheat using hacks to give them an unfair advantage over honest just wanna have fun players. Many anti-cheat software systems have been developed to counter the problem but all are hacked within days of release and are rendered useless. There is a new anticheat being released shortly, written by a very clever programmer, it could be a big breakthrough in the gaming world, if it works. The problem is there are very clever hackers who just love the challenge of cracking a new system - what a waste of amazing talent intellect. If only these people could direct their energies to contribute rather than abuse. The best advice would be: Keep your Windows system updated Run antivirus software, regularly updated Run a firewall, regularly updated - Best of all - get a router with a built-in hardware firewall Run anti-adware software so you're not broadcasting your IP or e-mail addresses None of these will truly protect you from the most determined hacker, but the harder you make it the more likely they will move on to an easier target. If anyone needs any advice with any of the above, I'd be glad to lend a hand, just mail me. Between myself, my stepson his co- workers we have quite a wealth of knowledge on internet security programming (one co-worker has written system control software for Powergen, the QE2 etc) Cheers Malcolm Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 May 2004 20:04 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Received a message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] biofuel-unsubscribe I received a message from that email address. The email contains an attachment. Being the suspicious type, I expect it's an attempt to infect me with a virus, since I have not yet unsubscribed from this list. Anyone else seen such emails? Bryan False sender's address, can't be helped. Certainly a virus. We've had quite a few viruses purporting to come from Yahoo. We've even had viruses purporting to come from Journey to Forever, even from us personally, doing things like warning us that our email service is going to be closed down, please see the attachment (not!). It's happening to everyone, including a lot of the big environment groups, NGOs
Re: [biofuel] Re: Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe
biobenz wrote: Doug; Of course it is not lost that the fact that you haven't run a virus checker leaves you in the absolute dark as to whether or not your PC is loaded with spyware/adware ect... How do you know? You could be the trap door to the mountains of spam that get sent via infected machines every day. The only reason we hear more about MS getting hit by hackers so much is because that's what the majority of the world is using. Linux or And because they don't fix security holes. Mac are NOT immune to infection and should they become more popular they too would see the happy litte bugs showinig up in droves looking for a home.This not to say that they have not been targeted in the past, as they have, sucessfully, so to say that this OS or that is better and immune is a false sense of security that could end up costing you big time should one of these little mignons decide that seeing as how Linux and Mac users are so not looking for an attack that that just might be fun to hit next. Linux distributions come with higher security by default. Windows still can't get the multi-user security correct. The better solution is to invest the money the hackers have forced you to dish out and get GOOD anti-virus/anti-hacking software as well as spyware and adware removal software and be happy that you did it BEFORE you lost your hard drive to some helpful hacker. The only antivirus software on my linux machines is to filter out windows viruses from email attachments. Ask Keith about this. Personally I run Norton's Internet Security combined with Spybot Search and Destroy for spyware and Ad-Aware by Lavasoft for the adware and although many many attempts have been made at gaining access to my Windows XP equiped machine none have yet suceeded in so doing, thank God, although NO system is 100% ironclad shut to hacking we owe it to ourselves to make the job as difficult as possible and then the hackathons will simply find an easier target, such as one who isn't expecting them, like say, a Linux or Mac user who thinks he/she is impervious to them. My system is impervious to viruses. Why? Because I know what's going on in here, and I don't install junk software. I have never had a virus. The fact is, if you DO NOT run anti-virus checks then HOW do you know you aren't infected? Answer: you don't. Luc I'm not. If you're running windows then you don't know. -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe
biobenz wrote: Doug; Of course it is not lost that the fact that you haven't run a virus checker leaves you in the absolute dark as to whether or not your PC is loaded with spyware/adware ect... How do you know? You could be the trap door to the mountains of spam that get sent via infected machines every day. The only reason we hear more about MS getting hit by hackers so much is because that's what the majority of the world is using. Linux or And because they don't fix security holes. Mac are NOT immune to infection and should they become more popular they too would see the happy litte bugs showinig up in droves looking for a home.This not to say that they have not been targeted in the past, as they have, sucessfully, so to say that this OS or that is better and immune is a false sense of security that could end up costing you big time should one of these little mignons decide that seeing as how Linux and Mac users are so not looking for an attack that that just might be fun to hit next. Linux distributions come with higher security by default. Windows still can't get the multi-user security correct. The better solution is to invest the money the hackers have forced you to dish out and get GOOD anti-virus/anti-hacking software as well as spyware and adware removal software and be happy that you did it BEFORE you lost your hard drive to some helpful hacker. The only antivirus software on my linux machines is to filter out windows viruses from email attachments. Ask Keith about this. :-) Martin, shouldn't that have been *Don't* ask Keith about this? Should explain that Martin not only runs the list's Extremely Useful Archives but also hosts our website, and thus our email too. At one stage it was like being mail-bombed until he installed that goodie. Aah, the peace! All Windows stuff. Our previous hosts used Macs, not Linux, also no virus problems (I've also never had a virus, and I do know), but as they got bigger and more successful, their service and general thinking got less successful, more and more problems. Finally they got into some real M$-think by installing a so-called spam-blocker which wiped out the whole of Japan! Along with us - no email! Their solution was that it was our fault for using a Japanese service provider. Ho-hum. The last straw. That's the same kind of M$-think I mentioned before, with dumbo sys-admins setting up auto-systems that send the things *back* to you though you didn't send them in the first place. Just got another one, 69kb, usual Mydoom virus and false address. They STILL haven't figured that out, that viruses steal sender's addresses? Windoze is surely a good name for it. Best Keith Personally I run Norton's Internet Security combined with Spybot Search and Destroy for spyware and Ad-Aware by Lavasoft for the adware and although many many attempts have been made at gaining access to my Windows XP equiped machine none have yet suceeded in so doing, thank God, although NO system is 100% ironclad shut to hacking we owe it to ourselves to make the job as difficult as possible and then the hackathons will simply find an easier target, such as one who isn't expecting them, like say, a Linux or Mac user who thinks he/she is impervious to them. My system is impervious to viruses. Why? Because I know what's going on in here, and I don't install junk software. I have never had a virus. The fact is, if you DO NOT run anti-virus checks then HOW do you know you aren't infected? Answer: you don't. Luc I'm not. If you're running windows then you don't know. -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
