Re: Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol
nice responces to anhydrous..does anyone know how to make streno. From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2002/04/13 Sat AM 12:41:18 EDT To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol I thought that E85 was the most optimum mix to run in today's gas engines? And why would E50 absorb any more H2O from the air than E10, except proportionately? On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 09:41:40PM -0500, George Wessel wrote: Hello Everybody Now that I understand the problem with gasohol. I need to ask another question. If you mix one part anhydrous alcohol with one part gasoline to create a E50 fuel. Will it suck moisture out of the air like anhydrous alcohol will. If not then how high a alcohol content can you go before it starts pulling moisture out of the air. I have never invisioned running my vechiles on E100. But more of a E30 to E50 at the highest kind of fuel. I'm just not to wild about the idea of keeping my fuel in air tight tanks. But that is possible if it has to be. Thanks for all the replys George Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol
I believe that low N nitro cellulose, is added to alk until it gells. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 11:59 Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol nice responces to anhydrous..does anyone know how to make streno. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol
Using a E85 would modifications need to be made to the carburator jets to to use the higher alcohol fuel or would it run good enough with it's current jet sizes. The reason I ask is that some of my vechiles are mid eighties. These carbs might not do so well without the modification. The rest are electronic injection and as I understand it a pressure increase using the current injectors would most likely be good enough. The other reason I was using a E50 limit is because of the large inventory of DDGS's I will end up with. Would need to create a outlet for the additional DDGS's if I produce much more alcohol than I would need with a E50 fuel When the price of gasoline reaches $2.00 a gallon, if I mix in 50% alcohol so my fuel will be costing around $1.00 again I will be more than happy. No big modifications needed on any of my vechiles, yet a real savings in fuel costs. Other than that a E85 would be just fine. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that E85 was the most optimum mix to run in today's gas engines? And why would E50 absorb any more H2O from the air than E10, except proportionately? On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 09:41:40PM -0500, George Wessel wrote: Hello Everybody Now that I understand the problem with gasohol. I need to ask another question. If you mix one part anhydrous alcohol with one part gasoline to create a E50 fuel. Will it suck moisture out of the air like anhydrous alcohol will. If not then how high a alcohol content can you go before it starts pulling moisture out of the air. I have never invisioned running my vechiles on E100. But more of a E30 to E50 at the highest kind of fuel. I'm just not to wild about the idea of keeping my fuel in air tight tanks. But that is possible if it has to be. Thanks for all the replys George Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=217097.2003762.3481930.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1042587/R=0/*http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=29150849siteid=39282504bfpage=account Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol
Hello Everybody Now that I understand the problem with gasohol. I need to ask another question. If you mix one part anhydrous alcohol with one part gasoline to create a E50 fuel. Will it suck moisture out of the air like anhydrous alcohol will. If not then how high a alcohol content can you go before it starts pulling moisture out of the air. I have never invisioned running my vechiles on E100. But more of a E30 to E50 at the highest kind of fuel. I'm just not to wild about the idea of keeping my fuel in air tight tanks. But that is possible if it has to be. Thanks for all the replys George Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol
That's one good thing about methanol, while it is toxic, it does not need to be 'dry'. In fact many of the additives to dry fuel and fuel lines is methanol or a methanol blend. Greg H. - Original Message - From: F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel List biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 19:28 Subject: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol Ken Provost wrote George wrote : My thinking is this, hydrous ethanol (let's say 180 proof) is a lot cheaper and faster to make than anhydrous. Mix the hydrous ethanol with your gasoline and let it set until the water falls out and then drain the water off. I can't imagine this would work to dry alcohol, or nobody would bother with the fancy distillations, entraining cosolvents, molecular sieves, etc. I know that's not a real answer, but maybe someone else can give the specific reason it doesn't work that way. Separation does occur, but the two phases are still mixtures - a gasoline/water phase and an ethanol/water phase. Most of the water ends up in one of the two phases - gasoline/water, I think - so this process can be and has been used in dehydrating ethanol for fuel. It is not useful for producing stable gasohol, however, because of the composition of the phases; the gasoline ends up contaminated with water and almost completely alcohol-free. Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Philippines -- Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol
I thought that E85 was the most optimum mix to run in today's gas engines? And why would E50 absorb any more H2O from the air than E10, except proportionately? On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 09:41:40PM -0500, George Wessel wrote: Hello Everybody Now that I understand the problem with gasohol. I need to ask another question. If you mix one part anhydrous alcohol with one part gasoline to create a E50 fuel. Will it suck moisture out of the air like anhydrous alcohol will. If not then how high a alcohol content can you go before it starts pulling moisture out of the air. I have never invisioned running my vechiles on E100. But more of a E30 to E50 at the highest kind of fuel. I'm just not to wild about the idea of keeping my fuel in air tight tanks. But that is possible if it has to be. Thanks for all the replys George Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
