[Biofuel] Gas line explodes in West Virginia; homes burn, freeway damaged - U.S. News
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/11/15845530-gas-line-explodes-in-west-virginia-homes-burn-freeway-damaged?lite [Pipelines - much safer than rail for petroleum products transport. Definitely. Not. Lots more coverage available from multiple sources. video and images in on-line article] Gas line explodes in West Virginia; homes burn, freeway damaged he NTSB is investigating the cause of a massive explosion and fire involving a natural gas line that destroyed several homes. NBC's Tom Costello reports. Updated at 6:45 p.m. ET: A gas line explosion rocked the town of Sissonville, W.Va., Tuesday, setting off an inferno that burned multiple homes, damaged and closed a portion of the freeway, and knocked out power and phone lines to some residents — but remarkably, took no lives. he blast, which was reported at about 12:40 p.m. PT in Sissonville, a community of about 4,000 people located 10 miles north of Charleston. Flames shot some 100 feet in the air and hopped the main north-south arterial Interstate 77, as emergency responders scrambled to cap the ruptured gas line — a 20-inch transmission line owned by Columbia Gas — and bring the blaze under control. The blaze destroyed four homes and damaged at least five others, WSAZ-TV, the NBC station in Huntington, W. Va. reported, citing county officials. Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin told reporters at a press conference Tuesday afternoon that several people were transported from the scene for smoke inhalation-related injuries. But he said emergency crews had concluded there were no deaths and everyone had been accounted for. Earlier, an official said that the blast was near the Cedar Ridge Health Care Center, a senior-assisted nursing home. Metro 911 dispatchers said that the nursing home was not on fire, and its residents are not in danger. A section of I-77 near Sissonville, W. Va, on Tuesday after a gas explosion rocked the area. The flames shot more than 100 feet in the air, and jumped the highway caused the asphalt top to crumble. Tomblin said that the area within 1,000 feet of the explosion site has been evacuated. A fiber optic cable was also damaged in the blast, affecting phone service in several states, according to WSAZ. Local officials said that some 1,600 local residents had been directly affected, either by losing power or because they had to take a 50 mile detour around the closed highway. Columbia Gas confirmed that one of its transmission lines was the source of the explosion. The site where the incident occurred has been secured and the fire has been contained, according to Chevalier Mayes, communications manager for the company. There were residents near where the explosion occurred. Columbia Gas employees and first responders are working to assess the situation and accommodate the residents. Columbia Gas is still working to determine the cause of the explosion. Tuesday evening, the National Transportation Safety Board announced that it was sending a crew to investigate the blast and fires in Sissonville. The team was to travel to West Virginia Tuesday night and be on the scene Wednesday, the federal agency said. Meantime state transportation officials were dispatching crews to repair damage to an 800-foot stretch of I-77. The road is not melted, said Brent Walker, a spokesman for the state Department of Transportation, correcting reports by multiple outlets, including NBC News. Speaking to NBC-station WBOY in Clarksburg, W.Va., Walker said the heat had caused the asphalt surface to crumble when the road was engulfed in flame. The highway was closed and traffic was being diverted. Walker said crews will be working to resurface the highway as soon as they can get through and may get traffic moving through as soon as this evening. Officials of a plant in the vicinity of the blast, NGK Spark Plugs, said that they had shut down for at least two work shifts, according to the report. Residents in the area, including children at Sissonville Elementary school had been told to remain inside, according to WSAZ. Later, school officials were arranging buses to take students across Sissonville to their homes. For residents who lost their homes or could not get home, Aldersgate Methodist Church in Sissonville opened as a shelter for the night, according to Metro 911, an emergency website provided by the county's emergency responders. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
[Biofuel] Enbridge Line 4 spills 1, 350 barrels of oil in Regina | rabble.ca
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/brent-patterson/2014/12/enbridge-line-4-spills-1350-barrels-oil-regina [As TransCanada Pipelines advertising is trumpeting on all channels and frequencies: Pipelines work! Except when they don't. To be fair, this spill is not on a TransCanada pipeline. It's on an Enbridge pipeline; they guys who want to build the Northern Gateway pipeline to the Pacific coast across the northern Rockies.] Enbridge Line 4 spills 1,350 barrels of oil in Regina By Brent Patterson | December 19, 2014 The Enbridge Line 4 pipeline, a 796,000 barrels per day pipeline from Alberta to Superior, Wisconsin, has spilled 1,350 barrels of oil at a pumping station in Regina. [or, about 225,000 litres] Council of Canadians Regina chapter activist Jim Elliott says, It only took 2 minutes and 26 seconds to spill 1,350 barrels of oil in the latest spill in Regina. Enbridge's Line 1 to 4 pipelines converge at Lake Superior and from there join with Line 5 which goes around the northern shore of Lake Michigan (and under the Straits of Mackinac) and Line 6 which goes around the southern shore of the lake. It is not clear at this point how long Line 4 will be shut down because of the leak which is now under investigation. Enbridge said in June that it was building a connection between Line 4 and Line 67 so that barrels could be diverted to Line 67 during a prolonged disruption. Line 67 also runs from Alberta to Wisconsin. Elliott also comments, Another day, another spill. When will this stop? This is the second spill on this line. There was a spill on January 19, 2014 at a pump station in the south east part of the city, just 2 kilometres south of the Saskatchewan Institute of Applied Science and Technology campus. For more on that 125-barrel spill, please click here. This may not be the last oil spill experienced by the city of Regina. It is also on the route of the proposed 1.1 million barrels per day TransCanada Energy East pipeline which would run through the Harbour Landing subdivision in the southwest area of the city. Enbridge is also the company behind the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline that would move 525,000 barrels per day of bitumen from Alberta's tar sands to Kitimat to then to be transported by supertankers on the Pacific Ocean to export markets. An Enbridge Line 6B pipeline spill in Kalamazoo, Michigan in July 2010 saw diluted bitumen sink in the Kalamazoo River. More than four years later and after $1 billion spent, submerged oil still remains in the river. Just last week Enbridge agreed to pay $6.8 million to settle a class action lawsuit against them for this spill. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Pipe-line for small scale biodiesel industry
Yes You can. It does very well , including glued joints,l but watch out you don't get it too hot with pressure. 140 deg is about at the edges of the envelope. Setiyadi wrote: Dear All Can we use PVC pipe for biodiesel process production pipeline? Best Regards Sty * From: * Jared (RogueOP Productions) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2006 8:46 AM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale A while back I tried to shake up the methoxide and oil in a closed container (due to lack of glass blender or lab stirrer), and much like a shaken soda bottle it expanded a bit and fizzed out a bit. I am looking for a better test setup that can prevent this type of thing. Would stirring the mixture rather than shaking it prevent this? On 2/16/06, *Charles List* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup He's basically refluxing it, I assume, with the liebig condenser vertically attached to the reaction vessel. A closed container would do the same thing! A good use for the liebig condenser would be to reclaim the excess methanol from the glycerine, but they are usually pretty small, so would take a while. Charles List On 17/02/2006, at 7:27 AM, Jared (RogueOP Productions) wrote: How did you utilize the liebig condensor? Wouldnt that condense the gas given off by the reaction into a liquid? Is that the jist of it? Turning it into a less volitile liquid instead of a gas? On 2/15/06, *Duarte Nuno Januário* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I've been trying (made 5 batches) to produce biodiesel in a laboratory, for educational purposes. This is what I've been doing: - 1 liter of virgin oil from supermarket - 200 mL of methanol - 3,5 grams of sodium hydroxide - Prepared the sodium metoxide by stirring for 24 hours (magnetic stirrer) in an closed Erlenmeyer - Preheated the oil to 55ºC - Using a flask with an attached Liebig condenser (to prevent methanol vapors to escape), mixed vigorously for 1 hour maintaining agitation and constant temperature (eventually drops to 52ºC when the metoxide is added) and maybe rising to a maximum of 60ºC at some instants. I do get a clear phase separation after 24 hours, but my biodiesel isn't crystal clear. When I mix a sample of the unwashed biodiesel with water and shake it, the emulsion won't separate…. It will after some hours, but with a lot of soap formation, widespread in the container. I'm using good reactants (not p.a. but trustworthy) and anhydrous conditions. There one thing I should say: I never got all the sodium hydroxide to completely dissolve in the methanol. No matter how long I keep stirring, it simply won't dissolve quantitatively. But I do filtrate the remains of solid hydroxide. Do you think this can be the problem? How can I solve it? What can I be doing wrong? Why do I keep getting all this soap? Where do you think the problem might be? In a reactant? Bad quality oil? Do you think I should titrate the virgin oil? Thank you all for your attention Duarte Nuno ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- http://www.xbtz.org http://www.rogueoperator.net stream: http://www.xbtz.org:8000/listen.pls stream2: http://www.xbtz.org:8002/listen.pls http://www.xbtz.org:8002/listen.pls 24x7 streams with live shows ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- http://www.xbtz.org http://www.rogueoperator.net stream: http://www.xbtz.org:8000/listen.pls stream2:
[Biofuel] Pipe-line for small scale biodiesel industry
Dear All Can we use PVC pipe for biodiesel process production pipeline? Best Regards Sty From: Jared (RogueOP Productions) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:46 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Trying to produce biodiesel in laboratory scale A while back I tried to shake up the methoxide and oil in a closed container (due to lack of glass blender or lab stirrer), and much like a shaken soda bottle it expanded a bit and fizzed out a bit. I am looking for a better test setup that can prevent this type of thing. Would stirring the mixture rather than shaking it prevent this? On 2/16/06, Charles List [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup He's basically refluxing it, I assume, with the liebig condenser vertically attached to the reaction vessel. A closed container would do the same thing! A good use for the liebig condenser would be to reclaim the excess methanol from the glycerine, but they are usually pretty small, so would take a while. Charles List On 17/02/2006, at 7:27 AM, Jared (RogueOP Productions) wrote: How did you utilize the liebig condensor? Wouldnt that condense the gas given off by the reaction into a liquid? Is that the jist of it? Turning it into a less volitile liquid instead of a gas? On 2/15/06, Duarte Nuno Januário [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I've been trying (made 5 batches) to produce biodiesel in a laboratory, for educational purposes. This is what I've been doing: - 1 liter of virgin oil from supermarket - 200 mL of methanol - 3,5 grams of sodium hydroxide - Prepared the sodium metoxide by stirring for 24 hours (magnetic stirrer) in an closed Erlenmeyer - Preheated the oil to 55ºC - Using a flask with an attached Liebig condenser (to prevent methanol vapors to escape), mixed vigorously for 1 hour maintaining agitation and constant temperature (eventually drops to 52ºC when the metoxide is added) and maybe rising to a maximum of 60ºC at some instants. I do get a clear phase separation after 24 hours, but my biodiesel isn't crystal clear. When I mix a sample of the unwashed biodiesel with water and shake it, the emulsion won't separate. It will after some hours, but with a lot of soap formation, widespread in the container. I'm using good reactants (not p.a. but trustworthy) and anhydrous conditions. There one thing I should say: I never got all the sodium hydroxide to completely dissolve in the methanol. No matter how long I keep stirring, it simply won't dissolve quantitatively. But I do filtrate the remains of solid hydroxide. Do you think this can be the problem? How can I solve it? What can I be doing wrong? Why do I keep getting all this soap? Where do you think the problem might be? In a reactant? Bad quality oil? Do you think I should titrate the virgin oil? Thank you all for your attention Duarte Nuno ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- http://www.xbtz.org http://www.rogueoperator.net stream: http://www.xbtz.org:8000/listen.pls stream2: http://www.xbtz.org:8002/listen.pls 24x7 streams with live shows ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- http://www.xbtz.org http://www.rogueoperator.net stream: http://www.xbtz.org:8000/listen.pls stream2: http://www.xbtz.org:8002/listen.pls 24x7 streams with live shows - This message has been certified virus free by Medcoenergi Antivirus ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives
[Biofuel] in line oil heater
2nd message has anyone done any work on a inline heater ? what i am thinking of doing is to take a small stainless steel cooking pot weld the lid on cut two holes for pipe fittings place this on a portable electric stove i would use it to keep the tempreture up while mixing My old processor was a old natural gas water heater (right price but diddnt draine well. it will be used only for pre heating ) I have started to build a cone bottom processor and was thinking that if i was to heat the oil inline i wouldnt need to put a heater into it. What do you think??? regards Alex [ememail.gif] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] in line oil heater
- Original Message - From: alex burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:08 AM Subject: [Biofuel] in line oil heater hello all 2nd message has anyone done any work on a inline heater ? what i am thinking of doing is to take a small stainless steel cooking pot weld the lid on cut two holes for pipe fittings place this on a portable electric stove i would use it to keep the tempreture up while mixing You're planning on adding the methoxide via this in-line thingy ? My old processor was a old natural gas water heater (right price but diddnt draine well. it will be used only for pre heating ) I have started to build a cone bottom processor and was thinking that if i was to heat the oil inline i wouldnt need to put a heater into it. If you are going the route of building a cone bottom (in metal I assume) then why not just incorporate an immersion heater where you KNOW the temp will be right inside the reaction chamber and where you KNOW the methoxide mix will be complete and uniform ? Sounds like doing the in-line is a make-work project, adding work where it is not necessary. Besides the transfer from the in-line to the reaction chamber will cause a slight decrease in temp due to the inside of the reactor not being brought up to temp but depending on the oil to do it and that may not give you the temperature needed to get a complete reaction. Luc What do you think??? regards Alex [ememail.gif] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[biofuel] In Line WVO Strainer
I am sure that certain folks could put a product such as this to good use. It is an in-line strainer for used oils to get the chunks out, so if anyone is using a pump to get at their used oil this seems to be something useful.Cheap too. US distributor reputed to be bad with international orders though. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf? itemnumber=46184 L. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] On-line class on fats and fatty acids
This might be useful to those who want to understand some of the properties of saturated and unsaturated fats and oils http://dl.clackamas.cc.or.us/ch106-06/fatsand.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] fuel line
Hello Dave thank you for your response are you addressing the concern of biodiesel being incompatible with conventional hose lines? As a concern it's somewhat overrated, and it wouldn't be conventional lines but old ones, in old models, maybe. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#rubber Biodiesel and your vehicle Compatibility Rubber Just go ahead and do it, it's unlikely you'll have problems, and if you do it won't be a sudden catastrophe, you'll have time to get it fixed. Best Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i hope more and more people can act like I am currently putting a turbo diesel engine in a vanagon any key thoughts on this beofre I start exploring processing my own bio diesel?? I know it's been done and is fairly well documented. It's a good project, and will serve you well. Biodiesel processing is easy once you get the hang of it, and will serve you well also. But while you're putting the new engine in your vanagon you might consider putting a vegetable oil fuel system on it at the same time. Good luck, AP Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] on line.
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[biofuel] fuel line
Since we already have so many people experimenting with biodiesel/SVO/WVO, does anyone know a good source for a roll of 3/8 fuel line? Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | 203.324.4371 www.jesseparris.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] fuel line
Jesse, Home Depot sells a braid-reinforced clear PVC in 1/4 and 3/8 ID (and larger sizes) and it will stand up to diesel, biodiesel and SVO/WVO. Charlie Anderson of Greasel Conversions has used it on many conversions and claims it does fine, doesn't get brittle or hard, and will take the heat that SVO/WVO in a heated tank will contain. I just converted a 6.9 Ford F250 and replumbed both supply and return lines to both existing tanks with the stuff, and I used a heat gun to allow me to shove the 1/4 ID stuff over the various steel, brass, ABS and PVC fittings - sometimes lubing them with bioD - and it's very impressive stuff. Wall thickness of over 1/8, and having clear line on everything makes it very easy to track flow and any air in the system. I used the type of hose clamp that isn't cut all the way through - it's easier on the hose - but frankly, the PVC fit all the fitting so tightly that I think they're redundant (not that I wouldn't use them.) For the Land Rover Defender I'm converting, I'm using Earl's stainless braid-protected hose - aircraft and auto racing stuff, with all the trick fittings - but it's a lot more expensive and takes a *lot* longer to assemble the components. Craig studio53 wrote: Since we already have so many people experimenting with biodiesel/SVO/WVO, does anyone know a good source for a roll of 3/8 fuel line? Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | 203.324.4371 www.jesseparris.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Bottom line, IS IT CENSORSHIP?? Was: PLEASE TRIM QUOTES!
I've been following this for awhile ... and been thinkin' deeply ... about what it all comes down to. Well here goes . To Hakan: Trimming email ... I suppose ... in a LOOSE way .. is sort of (and I say SORT OF) a censorship. OK?? I sorta agree with THAT. In a, what I call denotatative, (think dictionary, word for word, literal) way HOWEVER ... HOWEVER ... the reason that (I'm guessing, to most of us) we do not feel that it's censoring is because in email posting, whenever someone posts a message (trimmed or not trimmed) the reader developing a attitude about the post is ASSURED that the original owner of the trimmed out post is ALSO READING THE TRIMMED AWAY VERSION OF HIS POST!! THEREFORE ... we are ASSURED ... that if the trimmed out version of a post had lost it connatative (what he was trying to say vs. what he literally said, the intent, the feeling) meaning ... we can be DAMN SURE that he will FIRE BACK (flame). That feedback system .. is why end sorta ends up not being like censorship. The only time that it WOULD be censorship ... is if the moderator (Keith, in this case) allowed only some but not others to have their postings seen on the list. But as I have seen .. Keith here allows some pretty radical views to be posted (even mine!! LOL). Both from way one side ... to way the other. Because of this ... I'm pretty sure that this is not happening. Or at least I hope not. To Jan: h ... ok ... I'll let you call it editing. BUT WATCH OUT ... and don't let this habit extend to other things. Like if you were a magazine ... or newspaper editor .. or something like that. Cause unlike email, paper reading material does not allow a reader (especially the owner of what you wrote) to fire back immediately. As paper stuff usually only gets updated monthly or so. And by that time the public has already formed an image of what the person said. Plus, the ballot voting date may come before the next month's issue. Making a word-owner's rebuttal pointless ... it's too late, the vote count has already been done. So from the vote-count's reflecting how the word-owner feel's point of view ... it kinda would be censoring. The reason being that the way you trimmed (edited) a person's words affected (some political process)(some buying habit)(etc). And the word-owner ... being his rebuttal is in next month's issue was too late. And therefore rendered ineffective. Curtis --Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trimming email is an arbitrary censorship or can be if all the parties do not agree on the trimming... If the original author are not given a chance to agree with your trimming, it is by definition a censorship --To which Jan Steinman [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied-- I strongly disagree. I majored in Journalism. It's called editing. = Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
