Re: Air Freight Fuel Consumption was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc
http://www.greenglobe21.com/econett/aviation/avia002g.htm Some good stuff, maybe not quite what you wanted, but apparent that aircraft are showing very good increases in fuel efficiency over time, much better than we are doing with cars. Also consider the amount of energy that goes into creating and maintaining roads, rail lines , land taken out of production, etc. Rail is still best though. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:16:33 -0500 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Air Freight Fuel Consumption was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc I've always wondered what the relative fuel consumption is to deliver a 1# package Next Day Air Freight, Ground Freight and Rail Freight - from hub to hub, not necessarily shipping point to delivery point. No head winds or tail winds in the calculations please. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc You have to look at air travel in terms of energy use per passenger kilometer travelled. Then the plane does not look quite so bad. Yes, they use tonnes of fuel on takeoff, but not a lot once cruising. I think jets are in the same range as passenger cars - not great, but not a lot worse. However there is concern that their emissions have a greater contribution to the greenhouse effect due to their placement higher in the atmosphere, I believe. Of course, if the passengers are on their way to a day at the races...uh... Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:23:33 +0900 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is car rcing important? too much air pollution. waste of fuel. why not send this fuel to developing countries for their economic development ? any thoughts from anybody? I doubt that would be the most effective way to use the money it would cost, better use it to support some local grassroots development groups. Racing used to be a test bed for advanced stuff that later found it's way into production models, but I don't think that's been the case for quite a long time. A lot of the fuel's ethanol or methanol anyway, less polluting. But it's just a drop in the bucket. Transfer that thinking to air transport and tourism and you're onto something. I heard a Boeing uses about as much fuel on takeoff as a whole Grand Prix (is that true?). Then there's what happens at the other end. For instance: The average 15,000 cubic metres of water needed to irrigate one hectare of high-yielding modern rice is enough for 100 nomads and 450 cattle for three years, or 100 rural families for three years, or 100 urban families for two years. The same amount can supply 100 luxury hotel guests for just 55 days. (UN Food and Agriculture Organization - FAO.) And so on. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Air Freight Fuel Consumption was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc
I know an F-14 in Zone 5 Afterburner uses a ton of fuel a minute. It's fun going straight up at 20,000 feet per minute. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Air Freight Fuel Consumption was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc
That will get my Next Day Air package aloft and into the Jet Stream, but what does it take to propel it cross continent? 250 gallons a minute is a bit rich. No wonder parcel post costs less. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Air Freight Fuel Consumption was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc I know an F-14 in Zone 5 Afterburner uses a ton of fuel a minute. It's fun going straight up at 20,000 feet per minute. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Air Freight Fuel Consumption was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc
I've always wondered what the relative fuel consumption is to deliver a 1# package Next Day Air Freight, Ground Freight and Rail Freight - from hub to hub, not necessarily shipping point to delivery point. No head winds or tail winds in the calculations please. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc You have to look at air travel in terms of energy use per passenger kilometer travelled. Then the plane does not look quite so bad. Yes, they use tonnes of fuel on takeoff, but not a lot once cruising. I think jets are in the same range as passenger cars - not great, but not a lot worse. However there is concern that their emissions have a greater contribution to the greenhouse effect due to their placement higher in the atmosphere, I believe. Of course, if the passengers are on their way to a day at the races...uh... Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:23:33 +0900 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is car rcing important? too much air pollution. waste of fuel. why not send this fuel to developing countries for their economic development ? any thoughts from anybody? I doubt that would be the most effective way to use the money it would cost, better use it to support some local grassroots development groups. Racing used to be a test bed for advanced stuff that later found it's way into production models, but I don't think that's been the case for quite a long time. A lot of the fuel's ethanol or methanol anyway, less polluting. But it's just a drop in the bucket. Transfer that thinking to air transport and tourism and you're onto something. I heard a Boeing uses about as much fuel on takeoff as a whole Grand Prix (is that true?). Then there's what happens at the other end. For instance: The average 15,000 cubic metres of water needed to irrigate one hectare of high-yielding modern rice is enough for 100 nomads and 450 cattle for three years, or 100 rural families for three years, or 100 urban families for two years. The same amount can supply 100 luxury hotel guests for just 55 days. (UN Food and Agriculture Organization - FAO.) And so on. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
