Re: Corn oil - was Re: [biofuel] jatropha@india - musings
Okay, I was referencing the thread. I will contact ADM to see what they are doing with it. =) James Slayden On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Keith Addison wrote: Hi James Hi Keith, There was an interesting quip in your post that I found interesting and had a question on. On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Keith Addison wrote: There's probably room for all of those and more, and they'd do better than an imposed jatropha plantation in the local niches where they're best adapted and people know how to deal with them. There's also the question of multi-use, I doubt New Delhi's thought of that, but it's most important. As we see, for instance, with large-scale ethanol plants using grain, which regard the grain oil as a waste product and throw it away. Huh? Ethanol production using grain throws away oil? I have never heard of this. Please explain or provide links. Weren't we discussing it in the thread about aflatoxin attacking the US corn crop? Anyway, have you ever heard of them using the oil? I hadn't, and I'd been wondering about it... Here it is: 1 Bushel of corn = 3.6 gallons of fuel oil. A typical bushel of corn weighs 56 pounds. 1 bushel provides 2.5 gallons of ethanol fuel, 14.4 pounds of feed, 1.6 pounds of corn oil. (Of course it needn't take 3.6 gallons of fuel oil to produce 1 bushel of corn, nor any at all, but it does.) Funny, with all this crap put about by David Pimentel on the alleged energy inefficiency of ethanol from corn (NOT), I've never seen the corn oil brought into the picture. Different lobbies I suppose, ne'er the twain shall meet. Also this: Now there's some discussion with a chemical engineer in Brazil about it. He's working with a factory making ethanol from corn and producing 30 thousand liters per month of non-refined corn oil, stored or used as fertilizer in the sugar-cane crop, of all things. So it seems the corn oil is indeed regarded as a waste product from ethanol production. They haven't even thought of using it for process heat. If they did, and made biodiesel from the excess (looks like there'd be an excess), that would rather change the energy efficiency of the corn distillation and the economics of both operations. I think we'll be hearing more about this soon. We haven't yet, but we will. I still don't know what people like ADM do. What happens to the corn oil? Keith Thanks again. Best wishes Keith Thanks, James Slayden Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Corn oil - was Re: [biofuel] jatropha@india - musings
Ok, until I get through to them, here is a link for the latest news on their oils division: http://www.admworld.com/news/articles/12_16_02_specialty.htm James Slayden On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Keith Addison wrote: Hi James Hi Keith, There was an interesting quip in your post that I found interesting and had a question on. On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Keith Addison wrote: There's probably room for all of those and more, and they'd do better than an imposed jatropha plantation in the local niches where they're best adapted and people know how to deal with them. There's also the question of multi-use, I doubt New Delhi's thought of that, but it's most important. As we see, for instance, with large-scale ethanol plants using grain, which regard the grain oil as a waste product and throw it away. Huh? Ethanol production using grain throws away oil? I have never heard of this. Please explain or provide links. Weren't we discussing it in the thread about aflatoxin attacking the US corn crop? Anyway, have you ever heard of them using the oil? I hadn't, and I'd been wondering about it... Here it is: 1 Bushel of corn = 3.6 gallons of fuel oil. A typical bushel of corn weighs 56 pounds. 1 bushel provides 2.5 gallons of ethanol fuel, 14.4 pounds of feed, 1.6 pounds of corn oil. (Of course it needn't take 3.6 gallons of fuel oil to produce 1 bushel of corn, nor any at all, but it does.) Funny, with all this crap put about by David Pimentel on the alleged energy inefficiency of ethanol from corn (NOT), I've never seen the corn oil brought into the picture. Different lobbies I suppose, ne'er the twain shall meet. Also this: Now there's some discussion with a chemical engineer in Brazil about it. He's working with a factory making ethanol from corn and producing 30 thousand liters per month of non-refined corn oil, stored or used as fertilizer in the sugar-cane crop, of all things. So it seems the corn oil is indeed regarded as a waste product from ethanol production. They haven't even thought of using it for process heat. If they did, and made biodiesel from the excess (looks like there'd be an excess), that would rather change the energy efficiency of the corn distillation and the economics of both operations. I think we'll be hearing more about this soon. We haven't yet, but we will. I still don't know what people like ADM do. What happens to the corn oil? Keith Thanks again. Best wishes Keith Thanks, James Slayden Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Corn oil - was Re: [biofuel] jatropha@india - musings
Hi James Hi Keith, There was an interesting quip in your post that I found interesting and had a question on. On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Keith Addison wrote: There's probably room for all of those and more, and they'd do better than an imposed jatropha plantation in the local niches where they're best adapted and people know how to deal with them. There's also the question of multi-use, I doubt New Delhi's thought of that, but it's most important. As we see, for instance, with large-scale ethanol plants using grain, which regard the grain oil as a waste product and throw it away. Huh? Ethanol production using grain throws away oil? I have never heard of this. Please explain or provide links. Weren't we discussing it in the thread about aflatoxin attacking the US corn crop? Anyway, have you ever heard of them using the oil? I hadn't, and I'd been wondering about it... Here it is: 1 Bushel of corn = 3.6 gallons of fuel oil. A typical bushel of corn weighs 56 pounds. 1 bushel provides 2.5 gallons of ethanol fuel, 14.4 pounds of feed, 1.6 pounds of corn oil. (Of course it needn't take 3.6 gallons of fuel oil to produce 1 bushel of corn, nor any at all, but it does.) Funny, with all this crap put about by David Pimentel on the alleged energy inefficiency of ethanol from corn (NOT), I've never seen the corn oil brought into the picture. Different lobbies I suppose, ne'er the twain shall meet. Also this: Now there's some discussion with a chemical engineer in Brazil about it. He's working with a factory making ethanol from corn and producing 30 thousand liters per month of non-refined corn oil, stored or used as fertilizer in the sugar-cane crop, of all things. So it seems the corn oil is indeed regarded as a waste product from ethanol production. They haven't even thought of using it for process heat. If they did, and made biodiesel from the excess (looks like there'd be an excess), that would rather change the energy efficiency of the corn distillation and the economics of both operations. I think we'll be hearing more about this soon. We haven't yet, but we will. I still don't know what people like ADM do. What happens to the corn oil? Keith Thanks again. Best wishes Keith Thanks, James Slayden Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
