Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Sorry for your loos Hakan I now something about, at home I loose a drill and some others and tools just five weeks ago. But remember: time is a good medicine Well done Foxy! Regards: Sven ___ Mecánica Agrícola Fac. Cs. Agrarias - UNCuyo e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Hakan Falk wrote: After looking in my office, I discovered that my computer (a notebook) was gone and so was my wife's, further checking proved that some more valuables was gone. If it wasn't for Foxy, probably or lot more would have been gone. I'm sorry for your loss, Hakan. The human heart is hard to understand. May you find peace and rest. May your home be secure once again. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Sorry to hear of your loss Hakan. I have had items taken from vehicles on two occasions, but those pale in comparison to your experience. I hope you don't experience further problems due to the left and things normalize soon. To the extent that's possible anyway. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Dear Hakan I'm so sorry to hear this bad news. That is a severe violation, and it can take a little time to get over it. I'm sure I can say you have everybody's sympathy and support at the Biofuel list, if that's of any use to you. Please let us know if there's something we can do to help. Backup disks gone, aarghhh!! But well done Foxy! You're so right about winning hearts and minds. I lived under just those conditions for years on end, and in more than one country. The SS is never loved, no matter what uniform they might be wearing, if any. It's the way bullies think, unable to tell the difference between respect and fear: if they abuse you and frighten you then you'll respect them, right. Most people grow out of it by the time they leave primary school, except the arrested development cases. Take care of yourself Hakan - I hope you're having a good sleep right now! Regards Keith 26 hours ago, I woke up to the sound of our dogs barking. I slept hard, so she probably gone on for a while. When she would not stop, I went up to tell her of. She was standing in the front door that was open, just as much as she could not get out. After looking in my office, I discovered that my computer (a notebook) was gone and so was my wife's, further checking proved that some more valuables was gone. If it wasn't for Foxy, probably or lot more would have been gone. It was an enormous feeling of violation and I spent the whole day with the police and to sort things out. Discovered also that my CD case with the normal and recent back ups was gone. Maybe it was good that I did not wake up a few minutes earlier, because it would probably led to that ether myself or others would have been hurt. I was in a mood that I easily could have picked a fight. It has taken me 26 hours without sleep, to get that far that I can send this letter. I also had to secure the remote servers and change a lot of passwords. Not that anyone, including me, belive that they would be able or want to connect and do anything. Only the risk, means that I must work hard and fast in the right order to minimize the possibilities. It is places where normal honest people, suddenly and without any obvious reason can get their front door knocked down. They will be searched and the intruders will claim whatever they like to label as illegal, without proper definitions, and arrest normal people like yourself and members of your family. It is worse and even more humiliating. How can any sane person even expect or at least say that this would lead to winning the hearts and minds, the one who says so, must be pretty stupid or lying. The people that belive them must be even more stupid, or be without the slightest capacity of imagination and understanding. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Hakan, I am sorry for your loss as well, but more than that, I am hoping that the sense of violation of your home space does not last. Here's to a quick, and lasting, return to the sanctity and security of your home.On 8/11/05, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip AntiFossilMN, USA"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmen of today." President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906Give me the money that has been spent in war and I will clothe every man, woman, and child in an attire of which kings and queens will be proud. I will build a schoolhouse in every valley over the whole earth. I will crown every hillside with a place of worship consecrated to peace: Charles SumnerQuotes from Information Clearing House ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Hakan, Sorry to here the news of your loss, I know how you are feeling, we live in a city with our fair share of drug crime problems. We have had 3 break-ins I have lost tools that I use for work etc. There is nothing worse than that feeling of intrusion violation; I hope you can return to normality soon. All our thoughts are with you Malcolm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Hakan, Sorry to hear about your experience. It made me think about how I can secure my home - so at least one person will benefit from your sharing it with us. Good luck with your servers. I'm in the computer business too - I know what a hassle it is. -Mike Keith Addison wrote: Dear Hakan I'm so sorry to hear this bad news. That is a severe violation, and it can take a little time to get over it. I'm sure I can say you have everybody's sympathy and support at the Biofuel list, if that's of any use to you. Please let us know if there's something we can do to help. Backup disks gone, aarghhh!! But well done Foxy! You're so right about winning hearts and minds. I lived under just those conditions for years on end, and in more than one country. The SS is never loved, no matter what uniform they might be wearing, if any. It's the way bullies think, unable to tell the difference between respect and fear: if they abuse you and frighten you then you'll respect them, right. Most people grow out of it by the time they leave primary school, except the arrested development cases. Take care of yourself Hakan - I hope you're having a good sleep right now! Regards Keith 26 hours ago, I woke up to the sound of our dogs barking. I slept hard, so she probably gone on for a while. When she would not stop, I went up to tell her of. She was standing in the front door that was open, just as much as she could not get out. After looking in my office, I discovered that my computer (a notebook) was gone and so was my wife's, further checking proved that some more valuables was gone. If it wasn't for Foxy, probably or lot more would have been gone. It was an enormous feeling of violation and I spent the whole day with the police and to sort things out. Discovered also that my CD case with the normal and recent back ups was gone. Maybe it was good that I did not wake up a few minutes earlier, because it would probably led to that ether myself or others would have been hurt. I was in a mood that I easily could have picked a fight. It has taken me 26 hours without sleep, to get that far that I can send this letter. I also had to secure the remote servers and change a lot of passwords. Not that anyone, including me, belive that they would be able or want to connect and do anything. Only the risk, means that I must work hard and fast in the right order to minimize the possibilities. It is places where normal honest people, suddenly and without any obvious reason can get their front door knocked down. They will be searched and the intruders will claim whatever they like to label as illegal, without proper definitions, and arrest normal people like yourself and members of your family. It is worse and even more humiliating. How can any sane person even expect or at least say that this would lead to winning the hearts and minds, the one who says so, must be pretty stupid or lying. The people that belive them must be even more stupid, or be without the slightest capacity of imagination and understanding. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Hakan! How awful. I can see that this violation is resonating for you in sympathy with all people who have their sense of safety and dignity tread upon. I have read hundreds of your letters, I know you are a good man, working hard to foster safety and well-being in the world. Try to remember this was not a personal assault. Jesse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Thanks Robert, It is not the first time it happens in my life and material losses are the easiest to overcome. It is also something that happens to a lot of people at least once in the life time. As you rightfully pointed out, it is about the right of feeling secure in your own home, a right that should be a real priority for all humans. Why I took up the time of the list members, is because most of us have experienced this, one or more times. It is therefore easy to relate to. When it comes to acts of occupation, suppression and alike. My anger and instinct would not make any difference between common thiefs, crooks, police or soldiers. So when you, as example, talk about bad guys (insurgents) in Iraq, you must first analyze what you see and the common pictures of soldiers, busting in doors with sledge bars. Insurgents, KMA!!! (as Americans would say) The Americans do very badly in Iraq, because as many of them would say they don't know nothing. They are living fortified and in fear, venturing out in a nervous and trigger happy expeditions. Each one creating more insurgents. That is the traditional American military strategies and it only works if they can kill most the native population in large numbers and replace them with a majority of new settlers. The British would not use a double negation in the first place and are far more sophisticated. They take more risks and by that the exposure is less, after all, they have hundreds of years of experience as colonial power. Because they have been in Iraq before and failed, they know that the Iraqis are a very strong, educated and proud people. US looks at the Iraqis as some sort of barbaric third world population. What happened to me, was a fresh reminder on a very basic level, what is happening in Iraq and other places. This is why Iraq is a loose, loose situation for US. Hakan At 08:08 11/08/2005, you wrote: Hakan Falk wrote: After looking in my office, I discovered that my computer (a notebook) was gone and so was my wife's, further checking proved that some more valuables was gone. If it wasn't for Foxy, probably or lot more would have been gone. I'm sorry for your loss, Hakan. The human heart is hard to understand. May you find peace and rest. May your home be secure once again. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Mike, I will put locks on internal partition doors. My study will have a reinforced door with security locks, maybe with an electric opener and hidden magnetic switch. It must be easy to live with, otherwise it is not used. Setting up computers are very time consuming. Now, when I have a decent mail backup installed, I can start to recuperate all the download licences and write suppliers. They stole a case with the backup CDs, so it will take a lot of time to recuperate and it cannot be fully done. My habit to have copies in different places, will however pay off in a situation like this. Many people do not understand why I spend so much time on having duplicate and triplicate files on different disks and computers, but I learned the hard way, during more than 40 years of IT experience. If I had my backup CDs, I would be fully recuperated by now. Hakan At 14:23 11/08/2005, you wrote: Hakan, Sorry to hear about your experience. It made me think about how I can secure my home - so at least one person will benefit from your sharing it with us. Good luck with your servers. I'm in the computer business too - I know what a hassle it is. -Mike Keith Addison wrote: Dear Hakan I'm so sorry to hear this bad news. That is a severe violation, and it can take a little time to get over it. I'm sure I can say you have everybody's sympathy and support at the Biofuel list, if that's of any use to you. Please let us know if there's something we can do to help. Backup disks gone, aarghhh!! But well done Foxy! You're so right about winning hearts and minds. I lived under just those conditions for years on end, and in more than one country. The SS is never loved, no matter what uniform they might be wearing, if any. It's the way bullies think, unable to tell the difference between respect and fear: if they abuse you and frighten you then you'll respect them, right. Most people grow out of it by the time they leave primary school, except the arrested development cases. Take care of yourself Hakan - I hope you're having a good sleep right now! Regards Keith 26 hours ago, I woke up to the sound of our dogs barking. I slept hard, so she probably gone on for a while. When she would not stop, I went up to tell her of. She was standing in the front door that was open, just as much as she could not get out. After looking in my office, I discovered that my computer (a notebook) was gone and so was my wife's, further checking proved that some more valuables was gone. If it wasn't for Foxy, probably or lot more would have been gone. It was an enormous feeling of violation and I spent the whole day with the police and to sort things out. Discovered also that my CD case with the normal and recent back ups was gone. Maybe it was good that I did not wake up a few minutes earlier, because it would probably led to that ether myself or others would have been hurt. I was in a mood that I easily could have picked a fight. It has taken me 26 hours without sleep, to get that far that I can send this letter. I also had to secure the remote servers and change a lot of passwords. Not that anyone, including me, belive that they would be able or want to connect and do anything. Only the risk, means that I must work hard and fast in the right order to minimize the possibilities. It is places where normal honest people, suddenly and without any obvious reason can get their front door knocked down. They will be searched and the intruders will claim whatever they like to label as illegal, without proper definitions, and arrest normal people like yourself and members of your family. It is worse and even more humiliating. How can any sane person even expect or at least say that this would lead to winning the hearts and minds, the one who says so, must be pretty stupid or lying. The people that belive them must be even more stupid, or be without the slightest capacity of imagination and understanding. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Sorry to hear about it, no one should have to go through what you did. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 23:58 Subject: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power 26 hours ago, I woke up to the sound of our dogs barking. I slept hard, so she probably gone on for a while. When she would not stop, I went up to tell her of. She was standing in the front door that was open, just as much as she could not get out. After looking in my office, I discovered that my computer (a notebook) was gone and so was my wife's, further checking proved that some more valuables was gone. If it wasn't for Foxy, probably or lot more would have been gone. It was an enormous feeling of violation and I spent the whole day with the police and to sort things out. Discovered also that my CD case with the normal and recent back ups was gone. Maybe it was good that I did not wake up a few minutes earlier, because it would probably led to that ether myself or others would have been hurt. I was in a mood that I easily could have picked a fight. It has taken me 26 hours without sleep, to get that far that I can send this letter. I also had to secure the remote servers and change a lot of passwords. Not that anyone, including me, belive that they would be able or want to connect and do anything. Only the risk, means that I must work hard and fast in the right order to minimize the possibilities. It is places where normal honest people, suddenly and without any obvious reason can get their front door knocked down. They will be searched and the intruders will claim whatever they like to label as illegal, without proper definitions, and arrest normal people like yourself and members of your family. It is worse and even more humiliating. How can any sane person even expect or at least say that this would lead to winning the hearts and minds, the one who says so, must be pretty stupid or lying. The people that belive them must be even more stupid, or be without the slightest capacity of imagination and understanding. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Dear Hakan Hakan Falk wrote: 26 hours ago, I woke up to the sound of our dogs barking. I slept hard, so she probably gone on for a while. When she would not stop, I went up to tell her of. She was standing in the front door that was open, just as much as she could not get out. After looking in my office, I discovered that my computer (a notebook) was gone and so was my wife's, further checking proved that some more valuables was gone. If it wasn't for Foxy, probably or lot more would have been gone. So sorry for you both. Let's get em. We're like a gang, right? It was an enormous feeling of violation and I spent the whole day with the police and to sort things out. Discovered also that my CD case with the normal and recent back ups was gone. Maybe it was good that I did not wake up a few minutes earlier, because it would probably led to that ether myself or others would have been hurt. I was in a mood that I easily could have picked a fight. What is wrong with people? It makes one wonder of what value could backup CDs be toa crack head crook? Having a tinge paranoia in my head makes me go here, but it does sound a little like espionage. It has taken me 26 hours without sleep, to get that far that I can send this letter. I also had to secure the remote servers and change a lot of passwords. Not that anyone, including me, belive that they would be able or want to connect and do anything. Only the risk, means that I must work hard and fast in the right order to minimize the possibilities. If there is anything we can do to help please let us know. It is places where normal honest people, suddenly and without any obvious reason can get their front door knocked down. They will be searched and the intruders will claim whatever they like to label as illegal, without proper definitions, and arrest normal people like yourself and members of your family. It is worse and even more humiliating. How can any sane person even expect or at least say that this would lead to "winning the hearts and minds", the one who says so, must be pretty stupid or lying. The people that belive them must be even more stupid, or be without the slightest capacity of imagination and understanding. Hakan I often wonder what the most brilliant minds of this group do for day jobs. If only because I often feel that maybe I could relate on some level in which I would sound like less of an idiot. But I guess I could have joined a puters cars group if I wanted to talk about what I am familiar with. Anyway thanks for all your great input and we hope this episode doesnt scar you too badly. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
hakan, sorry to hear the news. i've been there myself. i still remember very clearly how the intruder's grimy fingers left several very distinct fingerprints on a windowsill, which i pointed out to the police. they didn't bother to collect them. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
Hakan, I'm very sorry to hear of your loss as many others have expressed. I'm using an alarm system now to wake me up once my initial door or windowbarriers are breached. It'll probably give me a heart attack if it goes off while I'm asleep as it's very loud. This was the first vacation that I've taken since the last time I was hit and it seems a useful deterant. They aren't all that expensive and a must for me to maintain my insurance. Take heart you're not alone. Tom Irwin From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:58:48 -0300Subject: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power26 hours ago, I woke up to the sound of our dogs barking. I slept hard, so she probably gone on for a while. When she would not stop, I went up to tell her of. She was standing in the front door that was open, just as much as she could not get out. After looking in my office, I discovered that my computer (a notebook) was gone and so was my wife's, further checking proved that some more valuables was gone. If it wasn't for Foxy, probably or lot more would have been gone.It was an enormous feeling of violation and I spent the whole day with the police and to sort things out. Discovered also that my CD case with the normal and recent back ups was gone. Maybe it was good that I did not wake up a few minutes earlier, because it would probably led to that ether myself or others would have been hurt. I was in a mood that I easily could have picked a fight.It has taken me 26 hours without sleep, to get that far that I can send this letter. I also had to secure the remote servers and change a lot of passwords. Not that anyone, including me, belive that they would be able or want to connect and do anything. Only the risk, means that I must work hard and fast in the right order to minimize the possibilities.It is places where normal honest people, suddenly and without any obvious reason can get their front door knocked down. They will be searched and the intruders will claim whatever they like to label as illegal, without proper definitions, and arrest normal people like yourself and members of your family. It is worse and even more humiliating. How can any sane person even expect or at least say that this would lead to "winning the hearts and minds", the one who says so, must be pretty stupid or lying. The people that belive them must be even more stupid, or be without the slightest capacity of imagination and understanding.Hakan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
