Re: [Biofuel] California Emissions
Also they should add a test for aldehydes if they are going to be progressive and welcome biodieselers into the fold. Biodiesel has the potential to produce these toxic compounds if the combustion process is not tuned right. You hear so much about how biodiesel is so great on the emissions tests but then they don't test for aldehydes in any of the emissions tests do they? Joe Zeke Yewdall wrote: I don't think it is so much that the diesel will fail california emissions, so much as CA (and the northeast) plain refuse to test new diesels. In general, diesel emissions tests just measure how thick the black smoke is -- completely different than anything than is tested on gasoline cars. If you are asking about taking the diesel to the gasoline emissions test, I imagine that it might fail because of high NOx readings. And biodiesel doesn't help with this. CO and HC are probabably lower for the diesel than most gas cars. It would be interesting to know, though, as I don't think I've ever heard anything on it. Ironically, by prohibiting new diesels, they are probably making alot of people import old 80's mercedes diesels, or large diesel trucks, which pollute MORE than a nice new diesel car would... On 1/23/06, Greg Ocnos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty diesel. I live in Massachusetts and they do not sell diesel cars any more because of the high standard of emissions. I would have to go out of state to buy this Jeep. These vehicles must pass an emissions test every other year. Mind you, you can buy a full size pickup with a diesel and they have a different standard to use. Would the use of 20% biodiesel let this vehicle pass this California emissions test? What are these people looking at that makes it fail emissions. What can I do about it? Greg O. In MA. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] California Emissions
I cant speak for all states but Calif has no emission requirements for on road diesel equipment. The closest thing is called a snap test. Where the throttle is slammed wide open for seconds while the exhaust gas is compared to a color chart to make sure the engine is not over fueling and or not misfiring. Although there was a sticker on my truck when I got it stating meeting Calif emissions. I hope this helps. Derick. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:03 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] California Emissions Also they should add a test for aldehydes if they are going to be progressive and welcome biodieselers into the fold. Biodiesel has the potential to produce these toxic compounds if the combustion process is not tuned right. You hear so much about how biodiesel is so great on the emissions tests but then they don't test for aldehydes in any of the emissions tests do they? Joe Zeke Yewdall wrote: I don't think it is so much that the diesel will fail california emissions, so much as CA (and the northeast) plain refuse to test new diesels. In general, diesel emissions tests just measure how thick the black smoke is -- completely different than anything than is tested on gasoline cars. If you are asking about taking the diesel to the gasoline emissions test, I imagine that it might fail because of high NOx readings. And biodiesel doesn't help with this. CO and HC are probabably lower for the diesel than most gas cars. It would be interesting to know, though, as I don't think I've ever heard anything on it. Ironically, by prohibiting new diesels, they are probably making alot of people import old 80's mercedes diesels, or large diesel trucks, which pollute MORE than a nice new diesel car would... On 1/23/06, Greg Ocnos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty diesel. I live in Massachusetts and they do not sell diesel cars any more because of the high standard of emissions. I would have to go out of state to buy this Jeep. These vehicles must pass an emissions test every other year. Mind you, you can buy a full size pickup with a diesel and they have a different standard to use. Would the use of 20% biodiesel let this vehicle pass this California emissions test? What are these people looking at that makes it fail emissions. What can I do about it? Greg O. In MA. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] California Emissions
californiaia has not test for auto or pickuppp emissiaonss for diesel,, From: Greg Ocnos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] California Emissions Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:19:32 -0500 I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty diesel. I live in Massachusetts and they do not sell diesel cars any more because of the high standard of emissions. I would have to go out of state to buy this Jeep. These vehicles must pass an emissions test every other year. Mind you, you can buy a full size pickup with a diesel and they have a different standard to use. Would the use of 20% biodiesel let this vehicle pass this California emissions test? What are these people looking at that makes it fail emissions. What can I do about it? Greg O. In MA. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] California Emissions
I don't think it is so much that the diesel will fail california emissions, so much as CA (and the northeast) plain refuse to test new diesels. In general, diesel emissions tests just measure how thick the black smoke is -- completely different than anything than is tested on gasoline cars.If you are asking about taking the diesel to the gasoline emissions test, I imagine that it might fail because of high NOx readings. And biodiesel doesn't help with this. CO and HC are probabably lower for the diesel than most gas cars. It would be interesting to know, though, as I don't think I've ever heard anything on it. Ironically, by prohibiting new diesels, they are probably making alot of people import old 80's mercedes diesels, or large diesel trucks, which pollute MORE than a nice new diesel car would... On 1/23/06, Greg Ocnos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking of buying a Jeep Liberty diesel. I live in Massachusetts and they do not sell diesel cars any more because of the high standard of emissions. I would have to go out of state to buy this Jeep. These vehicles must pass an emissions test every other year. Mind you, you can buy a full size pickup with a diesel and they have a different standard to use. Would the use of 20% biodiesel let this vehicle pass this California emissions test? What are these people looking at that makes it fail emissions. What can I do about it? Greg O. In MA. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
