Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
I saw an algaecide that controlled black algae. The active ingredient was colloidal silver. Check your local pool supply store for a cheap source. Regards, Emil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg and April Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 1:40 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. UV would be my first choice if the electrical systemcould take it. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:05 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. Right so you throw a chunk of silver in your cistern and put an ozonizer or UV in the delivery line close to the point of use. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Hi Bob, I don´t use coargental as a dietary suppliment. I use it for its antibacterial properties and then only topically in my nose (and thus indirectly my throat). It does have well documented antibacterialproperties as do other more toxic metals. It may also have antiviral properties but I haven´t read much in this area recently. I agree with all the precautions you´ve listed and use it sparingly. But I do use it. I prefer to nip any sinus infection in the bud as they usually drop into my lungs. I think it is better than overusing antibiotics. Tom Irwin From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:58:16 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..Tom and Joe, I am interested in what makes you think that silver does any good? Only personal experience, or do you know of any science behind the claims.the NCCAM (National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicines) was set up to study just such nostrums as colloidal silver. See what they have to say:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2297471.stmReviews in the scientific literature on colloidal silver products have concluded that2-5:* Silver has no known function in the body.* Silver is not an essential mineral supplement or a cure-all and should not be promoted as such.* Claims that there can be a "deficiency" of silver in the body and that such a deficiency can lead to disease are unfounded.* Claims made about the effectiveness of colloidal silver products for numerous diseases are unsupported scientifically.* Colloidal silver products can have serious side effects (discussed further below).* Laboratory analysis has shown that the amounts of silver in supplements vary greatly, which can pose risks to the consumer.Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Joe, I'm rapidily becoming a real believer in silver as well. Here in Uruguay, there is an over the counter medicine called Coargental. During the winter I use it whenevr a sinus infection or sore throat kicks up. it's basically a silver compound in nose drop form. It doesn't work all the time but then what does. I still get the flu and such but not much else. Tom Irwin *From:* Joe Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:05:51 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. Right so you throw a chunk of silver in your cistern and put an ozonizer or UV in the delivery line close to the point of use. I learned how to make colloidal silver back around 1997 and it is amazing stuff. I had a friend with a freshwater fish tank that was having problems with fish dying from some bacteria or fungus. I told him about silver and he threw a chunk of silver cut from a 1 oz bar into the tank and that was the end of the problem. At home in my water treatment system (yes I don't trust the municipality to get it right) I have a combination of elements including a membrane, and UV sterilizer. I noticed during maintenance that some of the filters in the system downstream of the activated carbon (which removes the chlorine) and upstream of the UV would get a clear slimy coating gowing over the filter media over time. I threw a chunk of silver into the housings and the slime never returned. A large cistern with a couple of pure silver bars in it with just a hundred microamps flowing between them should keep the water fresh. Making colloidal silver uses more like 20 miliamps for a short period of time and you need to make sure the silver is at least 99.9 % pure or better if possible. You need to start with distilled water to avoid creating silver compounds electrochemically. Use current regulation rather than voltage regulation and the process is optimized by the addition of ultrasonic energy to keep the nanoscale particles from adhering to the electrodes.An old ultrasonic humidifier works well for this. Put water in the transducer well and sit a mason jar into the well with your distilled water in it. The ultrasonics couple right through the glass of the jar into your forming colloid quite nicely. Afterwards although the water won't look any different to the naked eye, the beam from a laser pointer will be clearly visible in the water which will not be the case in distilled or DI water. Adding just a few drops of the colloid to a vase with cut flowers will keep the water from going putrid until long after the flowers are gone. I had carnations in a mason jar of tap water (chlorine removed) with a teaspoon of colloid added, for over a month! Get a nasal sprayer and dump out the addictive antihisamine crap, rinse it out and put silver colloid in. Whenever a sore throat comes on at the first sign, spray the back of the throat and nasal passages and conserve your energy while your immune system gears up. This is better than drinking colloid which I don't recommend and only uses a few
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
I am aware of all the na sayers about collidal silver but the stuff still works. I have seen this stuff change people's lifes, I'm not trying to make a buck I just like seeing people happy and healthy. In a world where the drug companys make billions and the side effects are worse than what you are trying to cure. For that matter kill you. What does a country hic like me know? - Original Message - From: Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. Wow, I started off a great thread and didn't even follow it. Now, I thought I remembered reading a couple of dissertations on colloid silver here. I am glad to get the input all over again. I think that some of this stuff is a little over the top just to sanitize a couple of ten gallon containers of stored water. Although as a hobbyist fabricator of both ferrous and non-ferrous metals I can appreciate the electro-plating techniques. That stuff is fun to setup and watch work, but drink the results? Maybe if I had access to better lab equipment I could feel more at ease after testing some of these techniques. Don't fret I know you weren't talking electro-plating more electrolysis of water. Pardon me, my mind wanders. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.html I would think that if I took the advice here and started with a sanitized container and used distilled water the bottled liquid should have a better chance of holding up and not getting murky. I think, we need to keep it simple and as practical as possible, otherwise we risk not doing it. I am fully capable of making things and doing for my family, but I also know there are only so many hours in a day. The elk are bugling and the coyotes are laughing as dawn approaches here in northern New Mexico. It's a beautiful world we live in. I plan to make the best of my day. My family will be working in the forest this weekend. We have had steady rain here. I guess it is remnants of Katrina. My daughter said as we came down the mountain a few days ago the forest looks so alive when it is wet. Indeed. Yes New Mexico is not inherently prone to stagnant water issues so we don't often worry about it. With the disaster on the Gulf Coast I began to question the ability to store water for longer periods for emergency use. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Wow, I started off a great thread and didn't even follow it. Now, I thought I remembered reading a couple of dissertations on colloid silver here. I am glad to get the input all over again. I think that some of this stuff is a little over the top just to sanitize a couple of ten gallon containers of stored water. Although as a hobbyist fabricator of both ferrous and non-ferrous metals I can appreciate the electro-plating techniques. That stuff is fun to setup and watch work, but drink the results? Maybe if I had access to better lab equipment I could feel more at ease after testing some of these techniques. Don't fret I know you weren't talking electro-plating more electrolysis of water. Pardon me, my mind wanders. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.html I would think that if I took the advice here and started with a sanitized container and used distilled water the bottled liquid should have a better chance of holding up and not getting murky. I think, we need to keep it simple and as practical as possible, otherwise we risk not doing it. I am fully capable of making things and doing for my family, but I also know there are only so many hours in a day. The elk are bugling and the coyotes are laughing as dawn approaches here in northern New Mexico. It's a beautiful world we live in. I plan to make the best of my day. My family will be working in the forest this weekend. We have had steady rain here. I guess it is remnants of Katrina. My daughter said as we came down the mountain a few days ago the forest looks so alive when it is wet. Indeed. Yes New Mexico is not inherently prone to stagnant water issues so we don't often worry about it. With the disaster on the Gulf Coast I began to question the ability to store water for longer periods for emergency use. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Hi, Kim I think that both HO and chlorine act as oxidizers, providing similar sanitizing effects, but I'm awfully rusty. Oh! Accidental pun, my favorite kind! And here in florida they use copper compounds to reduce algae growth in slow moving waters. As I seem to recall people tossing a few pennies in their mood fountains to keep the water clear. Sorry to hear about your allergies. I take a middle ground on lots of organic/synthetic issues but I've friends who've become wildly sensitized. Taryn On Sep 1, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I was suggesting an alternative for those whose health is of vital importance, to them. I am fighting hard to prevent myself from becoming totally chemically sensitive, so I can still have a life. Many of the things our government says are safe are responsible for people becoming like I am, allergic to everything. If it is too much bother to find out how to use alternatives, then so be it. No need to ridicule the information. Bright Blessings, Kim At 05:39 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: at what concentration is hydrogen peroxide safe? At what concentration is chlorine bleach unsafe? also at what concentration is H2O2 effective and at what concentration is chlorine ineffective against what organisms? viruses? bacteria? cryptosporidium? giradia? amoeba? nematodes? etc. darn, things can get complex in a hurry if you think about it. sorry Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Actually, I prefer hydrogen peroxide to chlorine for keep my water fresh. It does not have the toxic effects, especially for young girls and child bearing aged women. Sorry, but chlorine is not safe. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:51 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Thanks for the info Emil. I remember now reading of the silver coin in water from another thread. Somehow I think it sounds kind of weird though. We use untreated well water and I could stand a bit of chlorine in an emergency. Usually we have some water supply interruption during Winter. It is reassuring to have a palatable water supply stored. Better safe than sorry. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Hi all Hi, Kim I think that both HO and chlorine act as oxidizers, providing similar sanitizing effects, but I'm awfully rusty. Oh! Accidental pun, my favorite kind! And here in florida they use copper compounds to reduce algae growth in slow moving waters. As I seem to recall people tossing a few pennies in their mood fountains to keep the water clear. Sorry to hear about your allergies. I take a middle ground on lots of organic/synthetic issues but I've friends who've become wildly sensitized. It's a worldwide scourge. Regarding silver, probably better to get colloidal silver, make sure it's high quality and don't try to make it yourself, you folks already have one blue senator. Grapefruit seed extract (organic source) is useful and effective. Best wishes Keith Taryn On Sep 1, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I was suggesting an alternative for those whose health is of vital importance, to them. I am fighting hard to prevent myself from becoming totally chemically sensitive, so I can still have a life. Many of the things our government says are safe are responsible for people becoming like I am, allergic to everything. If it is too much bother to find out how to use alternatives, then so be it. No need to ridicule the information. Bright Blessings, Kim At 05:39 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: at what concentration is hydrogen peroxide safe? At what concentration is chlorine bleach unsafe? also at what concentration is H2O2 effective and at what concentration is chlorine ineffective against what organisms? viruses? bacteria? cryptosporidium? giradia? amoeba? nematodes? etc. darn, things can get complex in a hurry if you think about it. sorry Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Actually, I prefer hydrogen peroxide to chlorine for keep my water fresh. It does not have the toxic effects, especially for young girls and child bearing aged women. Sorry, but chlorine is not safe. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:51 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Thanks for the info Emil. I remember now reading of the silver coin in water from another thread. Somehow I think it sounds kind of weird though. We use untreated well water and I could stand a bit of chlorine in an emergency. Usually we have some water supply interruption during Winter. It is reassuring to have a palatable water supply stored. Better safe than sorry. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
This is better. I am isolated here for the long weekend at the ranch with no high speed Internet (poor me, I know) no media either, but that is a choice. Anyway, the Katrina thread was a bit much for me as I have no idea what is happening down there on the Gulf Coast.It does sound awful, but I have wonder if the media isn't making it look even worse than it really is. Don't know, I am here not there. Back to the silver copper as oxidisers in water. I think that my fear of stagnant water comes directly from my wife who has had Legionnaires disease. She of course does not trust water older that a few weeks. Coincidentally she has a teaching degree in biology and she leans toward bleach. Of course bleaching our stored drinking water is out of the question. Yuk. Then the idea of using hydrogen peroxide, it never occurred to me to use it for anything except cleansing wounds. Once again you all get me thinking more. I will run these ideas by my gal. Thank you. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Brian, How is your electrical supply?The reason I ask, is that I have an idea, but, it requires electricity to use. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:14 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. This is better. I am isolated here for the long weekend at the ranch with no high speed Internet (poor me, I know) no media either, but that is a choice. Anyway, the Katrina thread was a bit much for me as I have no idea what is happening down there on the Gulf Coast.It does sound awful, but I have wonder if the media isn't making it look even worse than it really is. Don't know, I am here not there. Back to the silver copper as oxidisers in water. I think that my fear of stagnant water comes directly from my wife who has had Legionnaires disease. She of course does not trust water older that a few weeks. Coincidentally she has a teaching degree in biology and she leans toward bleach. Of course bleaching our stored drinking water is out of the question. Yuk. Then the idea of using hydrogen peroxide, it never occurred to me to use it for anything except cleansing wounds. Once again you all get me thinking more. I will run these ideas by my gal. Thank you. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Hey Brian you should look into ozone as a purifier for the water. It is not hard to generate ozone. You do have to be careful not to breathe it but It is wonderful for sanitizing water and avoids the issues of chlorine. Should be doable for a DIY project. Joe Brian Rodgers wrote: This is better. I am isolated here for the long weekend at the ranch with no high speed Internet (poor me, I know) no media either, but that is a choice. Anyway, the Katrina thread was a bit much for me as I have no idea what is happening down there on the Gulf Coast.It does sound awful, but I have wonder if the media isn't making it look even worse than it really is. Don't know, I am here not there. Back to the silver copper as oxidisers in water. I think that my fear of stagnant water comes directly from my wife who has had Legionnaires disease. She of course does not trust water older that a few weeks. Coincidentally she has a teaching degree in biology and she leans toward bleach. Of course bleaching our stored drinking water is out of the question. Yuk. Then the idea of using hydrogen peroxide, it never occurred to me to use it for anything except cleansing wounds. Once again you all get me thinking more. I will run these ideas by my gal. Thank you. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Joe Street wrote: Hey Brian you should look into ozone as a purifier for the water. It is not hard to generate ozone. You do have to be careful not to breathe it but It is wonderful for sanitizing water and avoids the issues of chlorine. Should be doable for a DIY project. Joe Ozone is an effective oxidizer. The only problem is its lack of residual kill power. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Interesing that you brought up silver. it is a natural antibiotic. It kills over 600 nasty things. I take silver water when ever I fell something coming on and It zaps it right out of me. I have not been sick in years. Look at www.silver medicine.org for more info. Levi - Original Message - From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. Hi, Kim I think that both HO and chlorine act as oxidizers, providing similar sanitizing effects, but I'm awfully rusty. Oh! Accidental pun, my favorite kind! And here in florida they use copper compounds to reduce algae growth in slow moving waters. As I seem to recall people tossing a few pennies in their mood fountains to keep the water clear. Sorry to hear about your allergies. I take a middle ground on lots of organic/synthetic issues but I've friends who've become wildly sensitized. Taryn On Sep 1, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I was suggesting an alternative for those whose health is of vital importance, to them. I am fighting hard to prevent myself from becoming totally chemically sensitive, so I can still have a life. Many of the things our government says are safe are responsible for people becoming like I am, allergic to everything. If it is too much bother to find out how to use alternatives, then so be it. No need to ridicule the information. Bright Blessings, Kim At 05:39 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: at what concentration is hydrogen peroxide safe? At what concentration is chlorine bleach unsafe? also at what concentration is H2O2 effective and at what concentration is chlorine ineffective against what organisms? viruses? bacteria? cryptosporidium? giradia? amoeba? nematodes? etc. darn, things can get complex in a hurry if you think about it. sorry Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Actually, I prefer hydrogen peroxide to chlorine for keep my water fresh. It does not have the toxic effects, especially for young girls and child bearing aged women. Sorry, but chlorine is not safe. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:51 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Thanks for the info Emil. I remember now reading of the silver coin in water from another thread. Somehow I think it sounds kind of weird though. We use untreated well water and I could stand a bit of chlorine in an emergency. Usually we have some water supply interruption during Winter. It is reassuring to have a palatable water supply stored. Better safe than sorry. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Right so you throw a chunk of silver in your cistern and put an ozonizer or UV in the delivery line close to the point of use. I learned how to make colloidal silver back around 1997 and it is amazing stuff. I had a friend with a freshwater fish tank that was having problems with fish dying from some bacteria or fungus. I told him about silver and he threw a chunk of silver cut from a 1 oz bar into the tank and that was the end of the problem. At home in my water treatment system (yes I don't trust the municipality to get it right) I have a combination of elements including a membrane, and UV sterilizer. I noticed during maintenance that some of the filters in the system downstream of the activated carbon (which removes the chlorine) and upstream of the UV would get a clear slimy coating gowing over the filter media over time. I threw a chunk of silver into the housings and the slime never returned. A large cistern with a couple of pure silver bars in it with just a hundred microamps flowing between them should keep the water fresh. Making colloidal silver uses more like 20 miliamps for a short period of time and you need to make sure the silver is at least 99.9 % pure or better if possible. You need to start with distilled water to avoid creating silver compounds electrochemically. Use current regulation rather than voltage regulation and the process is optimized by the addition of ultrasonic energy to keep the nanoscale particles from adhering to the electrodes.An old ultrasonic humidifier works well for this. Put water in the transducer well and sit a mason jar into the well with your distilled water in it. The ultrasonics couple right through the glass of the jar into your forming colloid quite nicely. Afterwards although the water won't look any different to the naked eye, the beam from a laser pointer will be clearly visible in the water which will not be the case in distilled or DI water. Adding just a few drops of the colloid to a vase with cut flowers will keep the water from going putrid until long after the flowers are gone. I had carnations in a mason jar of tap water (chlorine removed) with a teaspoon of colloid added, for over a month! Get a nasal sprayer and dump out the addictive antihisamine crap, rinse it out and put silver colloid in. Whenever a sore throat comes on at the first sign, spray the back of the throat and nasal passages and conserve your energy while your immune system gears up. This is better than drinking colloid which I don't recommend and only uses a few drops per application which you do as needed. I have done this countless times and the cold never develops beyond a little throat irritation unless I am burning the candle at both ends and not resting. Great stuff! Joe robert luis rabello wrote: Joe Street wrote: Hey Brian you should look into ozone as a purifier for the water. It is not hard to generate ozone. You do have to be careful not to breathe it but It is wonderful for sanitizing water and avoids the issues of chlorine. Should be doable for a DIY project. Joe Ozone is an effective oxidizer. The only problem is its lack of residual kill power. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
you too can be blue: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2297471.stm silver works in vitro but there is scant evidence from controlled studies that it does much, if anything in vivo. Ron Waugh wrote: Interesing that you brought up silver. it is a natural antibiotic. It kills over 600 nasty things. I take silver water when ever I fell something coming on and It zaps it right out of me. I have not been sick in years. Look at www.silver medicine.org for more info. Levi - Original Message - From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. Hi, Kim I think that both HO and chlorine act as oxidizers, providing similar sanitizing effects, but I'm awfully rusty. Oh! Accidental pun, my favorite kind! And here in florida they use copper compounds to reduce algae growth in slow moving waters. As I seem to recall people tossing a few pennies in their mood fountains to keep the water clear. Sorry to hear about your allergies. I take a middle ground on lots of organic/synthetic issues but I've friends who've become wildly sensitized. Taryn On Sep 1, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I was suggesting an alternative for those whose health is of vital importance, to them. I am fighting hard to prevent myself from becoming totally chemically sensitive, so I can still have a life. Many of the things our government says are safe are responsible for people becoming like I am, allergic to everything. If it is too much bother to find out how to use alternatives, then so be it. No need to ridicule the information. Bright Blessings, Kim At 05:39 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: at what concentration is hydrogen peroxide safe? At what concentration is chlorine bleach unsafe? also at what concentration is H2O2 effective and at what concentration is chlorine ineffective against what organisms? viruses? bacteria? cryptosporidium? giradia? amoeba? nematodes? etc. darn, things can get complex in a hurry if you think about it. sorry Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Actually, I prefer hydrogen peroxide to chlorine for keep my water fresh. It does not have the toxic effects, especially for young girls and child bearing aged women. Sorry, but chlorine is not safe. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:51 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Thanks for the info Emil. I remember now reading of the silver coin in water from another thread. Somehow I think it sounds kind of weird though. We use untreated well water and I could stand a bit of chlorine in an emergency. Usually we have some water supply interruption during Winter. It is reassuring to have a palatable water supply stored. Better safe than sorry. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Hi Joe, I'm rapidily becoming a real believer in silver as well. Here in Uruguay, there is an over the counter medicine called Coargental. During the winter I use it whenevr a sinus infection or sore throat kicks up. it's basically a silver compound in nose drop form. It doesn't work all the time but then what does. I still get the flu and such but not much else. Tom Irwin From: Joe Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:05:51 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..Right so you throw a chunk of silver in your cistern and put an ozonizer or UV in the delivery line close to the point of use. I learned how to make colloidal silver back around 1997 and it is amazing stuff. I had a friend with a freshwater fish tank that was having problems with fish dying from some bacteria or fungus. I told him about silver and he threw a chunk of silver cut from a 1 oz bar into the tank and that was the end of the problem. At home in my water treatment system (yes I don't trust the municipality to get it right) I have a combination of elements including a membrane, and UV sterilizer. I noticed during maintenance that some of the filters in the system downstream of the activated carbon (which removes the chlorine) and upstream of the UV would get a clear slimy coating gowing over the filter media over time. I threw a chunk of silver into the housings and the slime never returned. A large cistern with a couple of pure silver bars in it with just a hundred microamps flowing between them should keep the water fresh. Making colloidal silver uses more like 20 miliamps for a short period of time and you need to make sure the silver is at least 99.9 % pure or better if possible. You need to start with distilled water to avoid creating silver compounds electrochemically. Use current regulation rather than voltage regulation and the process is optimized by the addition of ultrasonic energy to keep the nanoscale particles from adhering to the electrodes.An old ultrasonic humidifier works well for this. Put water in the transducer well and sit a mason jar into the well with your distilled water in it. The ultrasonics couple right through the glass of the jar into your forming colloid quite nicely. Afterwards although the water won't look any different to the naked eye, the beam from a laser pointer will be clearly visible in the water which will not be the case in distilled or DI water. Adding just a few drops of the colloid to a vase with cut flowers will keep the water from going putrid until long after the flowers are gone. I had carnations in a mason jar of tap water (chlorine removed) with a teaspoon of colloid added, for over a month! Get a nasal sprayer and dump out the addictive antihisamine crap, rinse it out and put silver colloid in. Whenever a sore throat comes on at the first sign, spray the back of the throat and nasal passages and conserve your energy while your immune system gears up. This is better than drinking colloid which I don't recommend and only uses a few drops per application which you do as needed. I have done this countless times and the cold never develops beyond a little throat irritation unless I am burning the candle at both ends and not resting. Great stuff! Joesnip___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Tom and Joe, I am interested in what makes you think that silver does any good? Only personal experience, or do you know of any science behind the claims. the NCCAM (National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicines) was set up to study just such nostrums as colloidal silver. See what they have to say: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2297471.stm Reviews in the scientific literature on colloidal silver products have concluded that2-5: * Silver has no known function in the body. * Silver is not an essential mineral supplement or a cure-all and should not be promoted as such. * Claims that there can be a deficiency of silver in the body and that such a deficiency can lead to disease are unfounded. * Claims made about the effectiveness of colloidal silver products for numerous diseases are unsupported scientifically. * Colloidal silver products can have serious side effects (discussed further below). * Laboratory analysis has shown that the amounts of silver in supplements vary greatly, which can pose risks to the consumer. Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Joe, I'm rapidily becoming a real believer in silver as well. Here in Uruguay, there is an over the counter medicine called Coargental. During the winter I use it whenevr a sinus infection or sore throat kicks up. it's basically a silver compound in nose drop form. It doesn't work all the time but then what does. I still get the flu and such but not much else. Tom Irwin *From:* Joe Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:05:51 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. Right so you throw a chunk of silver in your cistern and put an ozonizer or UV in the delivery line close to the point of use. I learned how to make colloidal silver back around 1997 and it is amazing stuff. I had a friend with a freshwater fish tank that was having problems with fish dying from some bacteria or fungus. I told him about silver and he threw a chunk of silver cut from a 1 oz bar into the tank and that was the end of the problem. At home in my water treatment system (yes I don't trust the municipality to get it right) I have a combination of elements including a membrane, and UV sterilizer. I noticed during maintenance that some of the filters in the system downstream of the activated carbon (which removes the chlorine) and upstream of the UV would get a clear slimy coating gowing over the filter media over time. I threw a chunk of silver into the housings and the slime never returned. A large cistern with a couple of pure silver bars in it with just a hundred microamps flowing between them should keep the water fresh. Making colloidal silver uses more like 20 miliamps for a short period of time and you need to make sure the silver is at least 99.9 % pure or better if possible. You need to start with distilled water to avoid creating silver compounds electrochemically. Use current regulation rather than voltage regulation and the process is optimized by the addition of ultrasonic energy to keep the nanoscale particles from adhering to the electrodes.An old ultrasonic humidifier works well for this. Put water in the transducer well and sit a mason jar into the well with your distilled water in it. The ultrasonics couple right through the glass of the jar into your forming colloid quite nicely. Afterwards although the water won't look any different to the naked eye, the beam from a laser pointer will be clearly visible in the water which will not be the case in distilled or DI water. Adding just a few drops of the colloid to a vase with cut flowers will keep the water from going putrid until long after the flowers are gone. I had carnations in a mason jar of tap water (chlorine removed) with a teaspoon of colloid added, for over a month! Get a nasal sprayer and dump out the addictive antihisamine crap, rinse it out and put silver colloid in. Whenever a sore throat comes on at the first sign, spray the back of the throat and nasal passages and conserve your energy while your immune system gears up. This is better than drinking colloid which I don't recommend and only uses a few drops per application which you do as needed. I have done this countless times and the cold never develops beyond a little throat irritation unless I am burning the candle at both ends and not resting. Great stuff! Joe snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
Yeah it does work but it is not a silver bullet (pun intended) Pay attention to those posts about the blue skin. Many people think that if a little is good more is better. Colloidal silver only works when it comes in direct contact with single celled organisms like bacteria. Many viruses work by injecting thier DNA into a bacteria and hijacking the cell for their own puposes and silver still kills them so to some extent it is antivral as well. I don't think there is any use in drinking the stuff and very small quantities atomised in the throat seem to work very well. Also if the silver particles are larger than 50 nm they don't go through cell membranes rendering them useless for the intended purpose and also increasing the potential for them to build up in the body. This is why I don't buy silver colloid but make my own so I know exactly what I have. I have analysed my colloid in a chromatograph to guage the concentration of silver and I use current regulation so the particle size does not increase through the process. Unlike the poor fellow in the picture who has been using "silver colloid' (what he actually had may have been a suspension) since 1999 and his skin is dark blue, I have been using it regularly during the cold season which is rather lengthy in Canada since 1997 and my skin is still as good as new (ladies take note). :) Joe Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Joe, I'm rapidily becoming a real believer in silver as well. Here in Uruguay, there is an over the counter medicine called Coargental. During the winter I use it whenevr a sinus infection or sore throat kicks up. it's basically a silver compound in nose drop form. It doesn't work all the time but then what does. I still get the flu and such but not much else. Tom Irwin From: Joe Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:05:51 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. Right so you throw a chunk of silver in your cistern and put an ozonizer or UV in the delivery line close to the point of use. I learned how to make colloidal silver back around 1997 and it is amazing stuff. I had a friend with a freshwater fish tank that was having problems with fish dying from some bacteria or fungus. I told him about silver and he threw a chunk of silver cut from a 1 oz bar into the tank and that was the end of the problem. At home in my water treatment system (yes I don't trust the municipality to get it right) I have a combination of elements including a membrane, and UV sterilizer. I noticed during maintenance that some of the filters in the system downstream of the activated carbon (which removes the chlorine) and upstream of the UV would get a clear slimy coating gowing over the filter media over time. I threw a chunk of silver into the housings and the slime never returned. A large cistern with a couple of pure silver bars in it with just a hundred microamps flowing between them should keep the water fresh. Making colloidal silver uses more like 20 miliamps for a short period of time and you need to make sure the silver is at least 99.9 % pure or better if possible. You need to start with distilled water to avoid creating silver compounds electrochemically. Use current regulation rather than voltage regulation and the process is optimized by the addition of ultrasonic energy to keep the nanoscale particles from adhering to the electrodes.An old ultrasonic humidifier works well for this. Put water in the transducer well and sit a mason jar into the well with your distilled water in it. The ultrasonics couple right through the glass of the jar into your forming colloid quite nicely. Afterwards although the water won't look any different to the naked eye, the beam from a laser pointer will be clearly visible in the water which will not be the case in distilled or DI water. Adding just a few drops of the colloid to a vase with cut flowers will keep the water from going putrid until long after the flowers are gone. I had carnations in a mason jar of tap water (chlorine removed) with a teaspoon of colloid added, for over a month! Get a nasal sprayer and dump out the addictive antihisamine crap, rinse it out and put silver colloid in. Whenever a sore throat comes on at the first sign, spray the back of the throat and nasal passages and conserve your energy while your immune system gears up. This is better than drinking colloid which I don't recommend and only uses a few drops per application which you do as needed. I have done this countless times and the cold never develops beyond a little throat irritation unless I am burning the candle at both ends and not resting. Great stuff! Joe snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina..
UV would be my first choice if the electrical systemcould take it. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:05 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Silver, chlorine, etc. (was Katrina.. Right so you throw a chunk of silver in your cistern and put an ozonizer or UV in the delivery line close to the point of use. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
