Re: [Biofuel] Titration question from a Newbie

2007-05-03 Thread Keith Addison
Good Day to all,

I have a question about the purity of Isopropyl alcohol. Will 90% yield good
results or does it have to be 99%??

Isopropanol for titration is available from chemicals suppliers. 
Some people have used the other kind of Dri-Gas, which is 
isopropanol, but they found that it's unreliable. Best get 99% pure 
isopropanol from a chemicals supplier. 70% pure isopropanol is also 
said to work, but we found it didn't give satisfactory results.
-- Make your own biodiesel  The process  Chemicals needed  Chemicals for WVO
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html

See also:

What should you do if your fuel doesn't pass the wash-test?
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo

Accurate measurements
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#measure
When newbies have problems making their first test batches and it 
doesn't pass the quality tests it's most often because of inaccurate 
measurements, or they didn't follow the instructions closely enough.

Avoid variables.

Have your test batches with new oil passed the quality tests yet?

Best

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] Titration question from a Newbie

2007-05-03 Thread Thomas Kelly
 I agree with Keith that it is best to
 1.   Use the best quality chemicals and measure accurately.
(This will always be important, but absolutely crucial when doing small, 
initial test batches.)
 2.   Do not attempt to use WVO (and titration) until you have succeeded 
in making quality BD using virgin oil.

(That said)  For isopropanol, I now use a product called Iso Heet (Red 
Container; 12 fluid ounces/355ml)). It is 95% isopropanol. I get the same 
titration as with 99% iso purchased through a chemical supply company. The 
difference is the price. I pay about $2 (US) per 355ml  vs.  $8 + shipping 
for 250ml from the chemical supply source. +  In the US many chemical 
suppliers will no longer ship to private residences.

Warning: Not all gas line anti-freeze is created equal.
 I had a problem with something called Dri Gas. Although its label 
only listed isopropanol, the isopropanol itself titrated 6 or 7.

 Remember, start with small (1 L) test batches using virgin oil.

 Best Wishes for Your Success,
Tom

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titration question from a Newbie


 Good Day to all,

I have a question about the purity of Isopropyl alcohol. Will 90% yield 
good
results or does it have to be 99%??

 Isopropanol for titration is available from chemicals suppliers.
 Some people have used the other kind of Dri-Gas, which is
 isopropanol, but they found that it's unreliable. Best get 99% pure
 isopropanol from a chemicals supplier. 70% pure isopropanol is also
 said to work, but we found it didn't give satisfactory results.
 -- Make your own biodiesel  The process  Chemicals needed  Chemicals 
 for WVO
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html

 See also:

 What should you do if your fuel doesn't pass the wash-test?
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo

 Accurate measurements
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#measure
 When newbies have problems making their first test batches and it
 doesn't pass the quality tests it's most often because of inaccurate
 measurements, or they didn't follow the instructions closely enough.

 Avoid variables.

 Have your test batches with new oil passed the quality tests yet?

 Best

 Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] Titration question from a Newbie

2007-05-03 Thread Ken Provost

On May 2, 2007, at 5:59 PM, shawn patrick wrote:

 I have a question about the purity of Isopropyl alcohol.
 Will 90% yield good results or does it have to be 99%??

The other responses are technically correct -- however, the
isopropanol is only being used as a solvent for the FFAs in
the oil you're testing, so it's not very critical. I had some
gas-dry isopropanol that started to get slightly acidic after
several months in the bottle. I started titrating the isopropanol
first (without the oil), then adding the oil and titrating again.
Worked fine, and added 20 sec. to the process.

-K

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